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Blessings natesute Welcome to Worthy,Im glad you are here and I really do hope you will stick around a while to talk with us.I certainly do not think any one of us could change your mind,I don't think theres much we can say to do that but I know WHO can-so I pray the Lord Speaks through us! Friend I can understand what "religion" can do to a person having been brought up similarly to you since childhood.Religious rituals,customs & traditions with all the "theatrics" lead to my own rebellion towards God Almighty-yet deep in my heart I always knew that Jesus was my only Savior How do you feel about Jesus?What do you know about Jesus?You see,I knew Him as a small child so in as much as the "religion" pushed me away I was being drawn into Him all the while,I longed for Him Anyway,I can relate to what you said in your introduction in the Worthy Welcome so thats why I'm here. Your question about Faith being the acceptance of a claim is easy to understand as well only "Faith" comes by hearing the Word of God,it is not actually WHAT we believe but WHO we Believe.The Bible is the Living Word of God,Jesus is THE WORD ....our Faith grows as it does because its all about a Personal Relationship with God in Christ.There is a measure of Faith in each of us,thats a Gift-the only way I can describe my own journey to you is that there was always this void inside of me,an empty place in my heart that urged me to seek the TRUTH,the Truth of our existence,our Creator,afterlife,religions,even the occult etc...etc... In trying to debunk the Bible and years of research is when many things changed for me and my search was narrowed down,I found Jesus was really the Way,the Truth & the Life when I experienced His Loving Embrace at the foot of the cross-PEACE I can believe a person can go to church every day of his life and nothing happens,no spiritual enlightenment yet I believe you heard SOMETHING there that stayed with you & brought you here,do you think so? You said the thought of no afterlife scares you,why?I think if I ever believed we simply cease to exist that wouldn't scare me at all,its like going to sleep at night.In my disbelief /agnosticism what scared me was the thought of not being acceptable by an Almighty God and eternal torment, what if it were true I thought!! Anyway,I've rambled on enough,what do you say?Have you ever really read the Bible? With love-in Christ,Kwik

Blessings Nooby I don't,I'm using a Chrome OS plus Im technically challenged,lol But thanks dear Brother,I so often come on ,get disgusted with computer & leave.....numb hands don't help either,oi vey! Love you blue Brother,Choco Bunny I don't like to read "they don't get it" stuff-everyone has very unique personal experiences that gives each their own perspective for reasons not everyone can relate to which brings them to their very own unique Relationship with God in Christ......I can certainly relate to Brother Cletus and see exactly why he believes that a Saved person can ultimately walk away from & reject the Gift of Salvation,he never adds "works" to the Grace of God as I never have-its a tough one Then we have some that have concerns that trouble them and they really want a Blessed Assurance,as I once did many years ago.As a matter f fact I drove my nearest & dearest Christian Brothers & Sisters CRAZY with the same questions over & over,we need to be patient and perhaps repeat the same thing over & over.I'm a mature Christian with what I believe is a solid foundation and although I've only recently changed my viewpoint I still don't like the term OSAS.I tell you all the truth,I'd rather see a Born Again Christian searching their hearts and seeking Assurance than see an unSaved person who has a false security because some preacher told them to say the "sinners prayer" & they think they are Born Again......I fear that many who think they are OSAS were never Saved in the first place This topic is not an easy one,let us encourage one another to seek God with all of our hearts,minds & soul and Glorify His Name that He be in our midst.....we are gathered here as the Body of Christ.Jesus Disciples asked Him to explain His very Words as they walked,ate & slept with Him all through His Ministry here on earth and as we can see He repeated Himself many times.....and they still didn't "get it",lol Its wonderful to hear the Words of any Christian who knows WHO they are in Christ Jesus.....it's also wonderful to hear the Words of those learning WHO they are in Christ Jesus-love one another With love-in Christ,Kwik

Wow,I just lost an entire post again-it was a long one......why is there no "draft" mode or something like gmail has......thats usually why I give up,been writing for an hour(because I type so badly) & now its all gone

Blessings Everyone I should have begun my previous post by mentioning how off Topic this Thread has gone,the back n forth bickering does spoil a great discussion,we are on display for all to see.Surely we do love one another even when our opinions differ ,certainly we love our Lord-let's show it!If anyone feels they no longer want to continue posting then simply dont,no need for dramatic exits or "the last word" type thing,we are much better than that children of God Most High! Some are ordained ministers,some are not,some are babes in Christ yet others have been preaching for 50 years-lets try to keep in mind that God has been Known to make a donkey speak to get His Message across,lol!Just a little reminder With love in Christ,Kwik

Blessings Brothers & Sisters This has been a Topic in which I had stood firm on for many many years,not for one moment have I ever doubted that WE are Saved through our Faith by the Grace of God,our Belief that Jesus is Lord and Savior-period! And might I add,I could not say I believed the OSAS doctrine ,not that I ever thought one could ever "lose" their Gift of Salvation but that it could be rejected/returned/unwanted-the idea of "free will" was always a big obstacle for me.Well folks,I just might have to confess that it seems I've been mistaken and to those who have insisted I was wrong by countering with"They were never "Saved" in the first place" I must say-"I think you are right OSAS has always concerned me,it would trouble me to think of the "New" Christian that has no fellowship after they heard the Word of God from some dynamic preacher at some fantastic altar call,fell to their knees with Conviction and when they got home everything went back to usual.Oh they could cry at night in deep remorse because now Holy Spirit is tugging at their hearts yet they still continue to do what they've always done-they are just starving,hungering yet not eating.........I could picture a slow and steady downward fall to the point of a hardened heart that ultimately resorts to "the fatal choice"....."I don't want Jesus"! Could this be,could it happen?Because of my own life I truly believed it possible,even though so very many Brothers & Sisters have said to me "But look at you,Kwik,you DID come back to Jesus Arms" Family,I can't begin to tell you how I ran from the Lord at a time I stepped out into the wilderness after having known Jesus intimately.....I cursed God Almighty looking up at the Heavens and with complete defiance I shouted,I wanted to be my own god and be done with Him I was lured into a very dark deception and I believed the lie,the spirit of pride had such a stronghold that even hell seemed better than servitude.Anyway,my own personal experience with being deceived and "free will" may very well be what blinded me.Today I stumbled upon a Bible Study that just removed the fog(I think,lol) The writer put into words exactly what I've always believed,which is the Word of God.I've never disagreed with OSAS ,never thought of the possibility of God taking back the Precious Gift of Salvation-IMPOSSIBLE! Then I saw it,the Revelation of John 10:28 ,the writer said it all: So I'm here to recant ,I suppose I have no more "but",no more "3rd option" as I've always considered and I guess it is pretty simple-You're Saved or Not-heres my morning read if anyone would like to read it https://gracethrufaith.com/topical-studies/eternal-security/osas-the-whole-story/ Thanks for listening,just wanted to share yet another Glorious morning by His New Mercy,Praise Jesus! I think its time for a new thread,perhaps the Topic of "What if they're not Saved,what does "believe" mean?" Now I have to pray for the words............. With love,in Christ-Kwik

Blessings Everyone, Thanks Cletus, Ive always loved reading your poats as well- and also thanks to Firm Foundation for clarificatiin, we seem to all be on the same page and thats exactly what I was referring to initially! Most often the Body of Christ are in agreement yet how we express our thoughts may sound different , unless we take time to elaborate & ask or explain it can get confusing. This is a lovely discussion and I really enjoy all of you💗 Losr, Saved, lost, saved, lost then saved again makes no sense- once the Believer " believes"( lol) his/ her FAITH in Jesus is the WAY- SAVED BY THE GRACE OF GOD( the Way, the Truth, the Life)Jesus Finished Work on the Cross is just that"Finished"- Living "Saved" or walking our Faith just begins A Christian can be Saved and from the moment their spirit has been made Alive they have been Indwelled by Holy Spirit - have they fully RECEIVED? They are indeed fully indwelled but now the renewal of the mind will determine how the New Creature in Christ Jesus lives.... Hope Im explaining well?Again, without nourishment there is no growth. If the new Believer surrounds themselves with unGodly influencs and they ignore Holy Spirit then they will truly miss out on the More Abundant Life that every Christian can have- a life filled with Peace, Joy, Love and that comes from walking in Spirit & in Truth. How, by works, self effort? Absolutely not! Our Relationshio with God in Christ has begun , next we let go & let God.... Its a journey, a wonderful, exciting, Victorious, liberating journey. Falling in & out of Salvation? The question of lost & saved, lost & saved is just not possible- there is one unpardonable sin and and anyone who committed it would not ask forgiveness, imo . I dont have all the answers but one thing I do know is that if anyone is struggling with concerns about whether or not they are Saved then its really time for them to seek God in Christ no matter how little or how long ago theyve claimed to be Christian, go back to where it began( on our knees) Blessed Assurance can only come from God- seek Him with all your mind, heart & soul and He Will be there- I promise💗 With love, in Christ- Kwik

Blessings Firm Foundation Absolutely not,surely you dont believe a bad thought or an angry outburst would cost anyone Salvation?I'm not sure what you are implying-you don't believe anyone could accidentally kill someone or an adulterer cannot repent & that he will no longer be Saved?I'm confused.....I don't think theres any sin Jesus cannot forgive if the heart is truly repentant.....David had Uriah killed,no accident,I think its clear he was remorseful & forgiven With love-in Christ,Kwik

Blessings George! I remember those threads,GOOD READING !!!!! I do hope everyone who did not read them will do so....if I recall you do explain the sin of apostasy and dive into the Book of Hebrews a bit-I think it's where most folks get confused.Gee,hope I'm remembering correctly!lol Anyway,I'd like to add a little something: Many years ago when I was a babe in Christ I was very very worried that I was reprobate,an apostate doomed to eternal damnation-so much so that I was driving my mentor nuts....Finally,she said to me"If you are worried about being an apostate and worried that you've committed the unpardonable sin then Honey,you havent & your'e not!" It took me years to understand what she meant but I suppose thats the whole point,isn't it? An apostate hates God,doesnt want Jesus,doesn't accept Him as Lord or Savior......no,can't "lose" that Guaranteed Seal of Redemption!!!! Still,I don't think OSAS is a term I would use Love & Blessings,Kwik

Blessings Cletus, Good stuff Brother,I do appreciate all of what you said & I do agree-after all the Word of God Says it is so I don't really understand why this is ALWAYS such a controversial topic,I do think in part that it may be simply be a bit of misunderstanding &/or miscommunication? It seems to me those that hold fast to the OSAS belief that those of us that do not are referring to "losing" one's Salvation,almost as if we believe someone could accidentally lose Salvation as someone loses their car keys or a bracelet.Of course,I'm sure no one believes anyone could "lose" their Salvation unbeknownst to themselves,unwittingly,unintentionally or accidentally.I just don't believe its as black & white as either you are OSAS or not,what about the 3rd option? I intentionally chose the word "option" because I think it is an option to "give up","reject" or "refuse" Salvation and therefore I cannot believe OSAS.....so many argue that the person who's heart becomes so hardened that they become reprobate was never really "Saved" in the first place,I cannot be so sure about that.So it is about apostasy,isn't it Cletus?The Bible does warn us and we are to guard our hearts,we are to never put down our Swords & our Shield and take our Precious Gift for granted,not ever! Certainly I am not saying that anyone in Christ should "worry" that Salvation may be lost.But be aware,Christ Died Once for all sin and we have Received the Knowledge of Truth-so do we go on willfully sinning?(Hebrews Chapter 10)I think most of us question the sins of the flesh or bondages that sometimes take time to result in dying to oneself as we emerge New Creatures in Christ Jesus,the danger here is not that the Precious Blood of the Lamb is not enough but that continually feeding the flesh can starve the spirit.What happens to any living thing that is not fed,it cannot grow and it will die. All I am saying is that I do not believe any human being is immune to temptation and Gods Full Armor is soooo important!Temptation can be great &the enemy is relentless,living a sinful life can lead to a hardened heart which can lead to a horrible choice,I think the apostate knows he is choosing to reject Christ.The devil himself was literally in Gods Presence in Heaven & all Gods Glory & yet he chose to reject Him and convinced a 3rd of all the angels to follow him!!!! Wow! We are made a little lower than the angels & yet are we smarter ,better and stronger willed than they are-I do believe a Christian can become an apostate and will not be Saved I can go on & on with this topic but we've all been here before,I completely understand my Brothers & Sisters that believe OSAS but I wouldnt want any new Christian to be under the impression that they should do whatever they please despite what that little feeling of "uncomfortable"is telling them,that little feeling is Holy Spirit Conviction-follow Him,leave your bad crowd,your mother ,father,brother,girlfriend or whoever He is putting on your heart & follow Jesus,read His Word and choose wherever Christ Jesus leads & then you will remain OSAS!!!!!Jesus shed His Blood for your sin,past,present & future-we all fall short of the Glory of God but we are Made Righteous to God in Christ,we all make mistakes and those are covered(Thank God!) Its the intentional sin that we must avoid & not because it will send you to hell but because it will harden your heart ,thats scarey With love-in Christ,Kwik

Blessings Brothers & Sisters Y'all are the BEST!!! Thank you for your heartfelt prayer-may I ask that we add my dear friends family too(her daughter & grandkids)My friend is madly in love with Jesus & she has recently lost her son,I don't believe she would have gotten through the loss of her child if it were not for our Precious Lord & Savior,its a daily struggle for her but she knows the Love,Strength,Peace ,Mercy,Kindness,Grace & Joy of the Lord and I thank God! Well,although she is still in the grieving process I know her greatest desire is for her loved ones Salvation,she's just a lovely,wonderful person and I would love nothing better than to see her Rejoice with all Heavens Angels when all their names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life!!!!! Praise Jesus! With Love-in Christ,Kwik

Blessings ohso Welcome to Worthy,glad to hear you are SAVED!!!!!!! Praise Jesus!!! Firstly,may I ask....what is a "Relationship"and secondly you did say you are in a relationship with "a man " ,is it safe to assume you are a woman,I do hope so and do mean that respectfully So,I'd be happy to offer some advice if I knew more about what type of living arrangement you are in, or if you are just dating etc. etc. It's difficult to advise without knowing more details. As far as being unevenly yoked, God has a very good reason for these instructions because an unevenly yolked relationship inevitably leads the believer into disbelief, we see this time and time again. With Love In Christ, Kwik

Blessings Brothers & Sisters My dear friend/Sister in Christ has asked that we join her in prayer for her Brother Kirk,he was a Jehovah witness at one time and now he is seeking Gods Truth.....the poor dear is sooooo lost.please join me in prayer that he be drawn to the Foot of the Cross and meet Jesus there(as we did).....Praise & Glory to God...... Thank you so much With love,in Christ-Jesus

I was not sure how much my daughter even knew. For now, I can take over the informing part, and I am now at home. not well, but no worse.but they sure ran lotss of tests and poked me a lot, more test scheduled, and sent me home with ozygen bottles and oxygen concentrator. also, for those of youthat get the inside joke, I have this idea about renting a floor sander, and grinding down the plateaus of the Grand Canyon, the make the Colorado River more accessible. This will help the drought in California and people could drive to it to fill their water bottles, and the red sand beach will be pretty. The can sell sand to tourists and hobbyists, and I could use it in concrete projects. Re-purposing is fun. That's the Spirit Mega!!!! So glad you're home,Praise Jesus!!!! Love your Sis

Michael and I are praying for our Beloved Brother, thanking Jesus for the Position of Victory we stand on that Overcomes all manner of sickness & disease- by His Stripes Omega is Healed!!!! Glory to God Most High

Blessings LadyKay Well, I dont think anyone is having a debate but the " off topic" discussion is probably my fault because I seem to be having some issues with the Worthy site today and I still havent been able to see the first page- lol Anyway, didnt we already have an atheist in office, oh no , thats right he was muslim- just being sarcastic, lol Sorry for going off - maybe if I get off my phone and get the laptop I wont keep losing posts and pages🤣