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Scripture clearly defines the (dragon/satan) as giving power to (The Beast) two separate entities Revelation 13 clearly describes (The Beast) with personal pronouns He, His, Him, a human man Revelation 19:19-20 describes (The Beast) and (False Prophet) being cast alive/living into the lake of fire Satan gives power and authority to (The Beast) not himself I believe Satan will at one time dwell/possess the human body of (The Beast) but they are separate beings The Dragon Gave "Him" Not "Himself" Revelation 13:2KJV 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End) Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ (Then Cometh The End) As (Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory) afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim (Then Cometh The End) (Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory) 1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

We Disagree, 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 & 1 Corinthians 15:51-54 is the very same event, the second coming and last day resurrection (The End) The main scripture used by supporters of the (Pre-Trib Rapture) is 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, this is nothing more than the (Second Coming) (Last Day) resurrection, not a (Pre-Trib Rapture), don't be deceived 1. Is a resurrection of the believer seen in 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, 100% yes! 2. Does this resurrection take place on the (Last Day) as Jesus Christ taught below in John 6:39-40, 100% yes! 3. Is the (Last Day) the time of final judgement as Jesus Christ taught in John 12:48 below, 100% yes! Many deny the truth of Gods words below, that are simple, clear, and very easy to understand. (THE SECOND COMING, LAST DAY RESURRECTION "RAPTURE") 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17KJV 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (THE LAST DAY RESURRECTION) John 5:28-29KJV 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. John 6:39-40KJV 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. (THE LAST DAY JUDGEMENT) John 12:48KJV 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Thanks for the response and dialogue Adam, I believe scripture clearly teaches Daniel's (Little Horn) Paul's (Man Of Sin) John's (The Beast) are all the very same "Future" human man, I believe scripture teaches he will be revealed in Jerusalem, proclaiming to be Messiah God returned Scripture clearly teaches in Daniel 7:9-11 that this figure has a body and will be present at the second coming and final judgement, as does 2 Thessalonians 2:3-11, as does Revelation 19:19-20 Revelation chapter 13 describes this man with personal pronouns He, His, Him, a human man Jesus Is The Lord

We Disagree, Hosea 9:10 you present isnt a rapture of anybody to heaven 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 represents the "Catching Up" or "Rapture" it's on the last day, at the time of resurrection, when the glorified immortal body is received Jesus Is The Lord

We Agree!

There will be one future "Catching Up" or "Rapture", this takes place at the second coming of Jesus Christ, on the last day at the time of resurrection (The End) The main scripture used by supporters of the (Pre-Trib Rapture) is 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, this is nothing more than the (Second Coming) (Last Day) resurrection, not a (Pre-Trib Rapture), don't be deceived 1. Is a resurrection of the believer seen in 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, 100% yes! 2. Does this resurrection take place on the (Last Day) as Jesus Christ taught below in John 6:39-40, 100% yes! 3. Is the (Last Day) the time of final judgement as Jesus Christ taught in John 12:48 below, 100% yes! Many deny the truth of Gods words below, that are simple, clear, and very easy to understand. (THE SECOND COMING, LAST DAY RESURRECTION "RAPTURE") 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17KJV 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (THE LAST DAY RESURRECTION) John 5:28-29KJV 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. John 6:39-40KJV 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. (THE LAST DAY JUDGEMENT) John 12:48KJV 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Do you believe the little horn of Daniel has been historically fulfilled, please explain? Daniel 7:9-11 fulfilled? Daniel 9:27 fulfilled?

Scripture is very clear, Daniel describes the horn thats speaking as the beast, simple, clear, easy to understand Daniel 7:11AKJV 7 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Joe the scripture below represents the final judgement, "The Book Of Life" was opened Whosoever was not found written in the book of life, it's only opened "Once" Revelation 20:11-15AKJV 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End) Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ, that will never take place (Then Cometh The End) As (Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory) Afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many claim (Then Cometh The End) (Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory) 1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Which means there is no literal earthly time seen in the Lords eternal spiritual You sorta forgot the complete reading, one day is a thousand years, and a thousand years one day Is it a day or a thousand years? "its neither", it represents the Lords spiritual realm thats Eternal, and Revelation 20:1-6 is in this eternal realm of no literal earthly time, it's that simple 2 Peter 3:8KJV 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

You will closely note, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are "Parallel" readings of the same event, as Isaiah gives a clear account of those who are left, those who are found in the book of life, the final judgement has passed, eternity has begun "After" The Day Of The Lord You will closely note in Isaiah 4:4 below, Jerusalem will be purged by the spirit of (Judgement) & (Burning) Zechariah 14:12KJV 12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. Only The Righteous Are Left, The Book Of Life "Was" Opened (Every One That Is Written Among The Living) Zechariah 14:16KJV 16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. Isaiah 4:3-4KJV 3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem: 4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning. Revelation 21:24-27KJV 24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. 25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. 26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. 27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement. (Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below (Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of Armageddon. (Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins. (Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5 (Verse 8) The river of life seen, Rev 22:1-5 (Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up. (Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13 2 Peter 3:10KJV 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. "The Eternal Kingdom"! Zechariah 14:1-12KJV 14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. 4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. 6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark: 7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light. 8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. 9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one. 10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses. 11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited. 12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Satan is currently bound in Revelation 20:3, from Deceiving the nations to battle, this takes place when the 6th vial is poured out Revelation 16:12, then Satan is loosed to Deceive the Nations

There isnt two judgements where the books are opened as you suggest, your claim of the other kings is looking back prior to this final judgement (The Final Judgement) Daniel 7:10AKJV A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. Just as Daniel teaches below in Daniel 12:1-2 At the time of great tribulation, the book of life in Final judgement takes place, in the resurrection of all, everlasting life, everlasting contempt, a "Future" event unfulfilled (The Final Judgement) Daniel 12:1-2AKJV 1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt Revelation 20:11-15 below is the same event in Final judgement, the dead are delivered up, this is the very same resurrection seen in Daniel 12:1-2 above (The Final Judgement) Revelation 20:11-15AKJV 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

A pre-trib rapture is found no place in scripture, no place does Revelation 4 even suggest this Scripture below clearly teaches the Church will be present on earth during the tribulation, and be eyewitnesses to the second coming "Then Shall They See The Son Of Man Coming" "Lift Up Your Heads; For Your Redemption Draweth Nigh" Luke 21:25-28AKJV 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End) Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ, that will never take place (Then Cometh The End) As (Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory) Afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many claim (Then Cometh The End) (Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory) 1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Your 1,000 year Kingdom on this earth isn't found below as many claim, by all means post your claims in scripture, waiting? Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below? 1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom? 2.) Physical Earthly Throne? 3.) Physical Mortal Humans? The Above Claims (Don't Exist) Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ 100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time On This Earth 2 Peter 3:8KJV 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. Revelation 20:1-6KJV 1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Satan being cast out of heaven is a historical event not future as you suggest, as Jesus clearly explains he witnessed the event "Prior" to his words spoken below, thousands of years ago Luke 10:18AKJV 18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Revelation 12:7-9AKJV 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Thanks For The Dialogue, Jesus Is The Lord

So far you claim personal pronouns in the AKJV He, His, Him, in Revelation chapter 13 should be "It", then you denounce Strong's interpretation of Apollyon as being Satan It appears we have no standard except yours In Love, Jesus Is The Lord Strong’s Definitions Ἀπολλύων Apollýōn, ap-ol-loo'-ohn; active participle of G622; a destroyer (i.e. Satan):—Apollyon. KJV Translation Count — Total: 1x The KJV translates Strong's G623 in the following manner: Apollyon (1x). You claimed (The Beast) is released after the 5th Trump, and my response is that the figure seen is (Satan) Abaddon/Apollyon being released as seen below Satan and The Beast are two different beings, Satan is spiritual, The Beast is mortal human Revelation 9:11AKJV 11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

(The Beast) will be a future human man, that has a human body, that will be cast alive into the lake of fire, this human man is described in Revelation chapter 13 with personal pronouns He, His, Him As Seen below, (The Beast) is a human man, that has a human body Revelation 19:19-20AKJV 19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Daniel 7:11AKJV I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

We strongly disagree, Satan/Apollyon is released from the bottomless pit at the 5th Trump in Revelation chapter 9 Strong’s Definitions Ἀπολλύων Apollýōn, ap-ol-loo'-ohn; active participle of G622; a destroyer (i.e. Satan):—Apollyon. KJV Translation Count — Total: 1x The KJV translates Strong's G623 in the following manner: Apollyon (1x). You claimed (The Beast) is released after the 5th Trump, and my response is that the figure seen is (Satan) Abaddon/Apollyon being released as seen below Satan and The Beast are two different beings, Satan is spiritual, The Beast is mortal human Revelation 9:11AKJV 11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

You claimed (The Beast) is released after the 5th Trump, and my response is that the figure seen is (Satan) Abaddon/Apollyon being released as seen below Satan and The Beast are two different beings, Satan is spiritual, The Beast is mortal human Revelation 9:11AKJV 11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. (The Beast) of Revelation 13 below is a human man, denoted by personal pronouns he, his, him Revelation 13:1-6KJV 1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.