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I disagree with you claim "Rome" or its religion "Catholicism"is the woman, they didnt exist to be guilty of the prophets Jerusalem is the woman that sits on 7 hills, it's the great city that will rule over the earth's kings when the Antichrist is given his power for 42 months

I Agree 100%, the teachings that those were "Resurrected" into immortal bodies, that came out of the graves at the death of Jesus on Calvary is "False"

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I agree 100% with your observation, Israel is surrounded by enemies, and there back is against the wall, Iran cant maintain nuclear weapons, and Israel wont allow it, I also believe the inevitable is at the threshold

Isaiah 26:20-21 below clearly shows the hour of earth's temptation, and the church is instructed to enter the dwelling place until the indignation is past, just like the passover in Egypt, God's Divine protection Isaiah 26:20-21KJV 20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. 21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

You gave complete disregard to scripture that interprets scripture "Why"? No need to guess who kings are "The Beast" is related to going into "Perdition", 2 Thessalonians 2:3 clearly explains (The Son Of Perdition) (The Beast) and (Man Of Sin) are the same human bad guy that's known as (The Antichrist), scripture interprets itself, it's that simple Revelation 17:8KJV 8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4KJV 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

It's on you, you didnt have to read the plot, smiles!

I Strongly disagree with your symbolic representation Matthew 24:29-30 will be the "literal future" second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens, and this will be witnessed by human eyes on earth Matthew 24:29-30KJV 30 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

We Strongly Disagree, This Subject Has Been Covered, The Horse Is Dead

I Strongly Disagree,We Have Exhausted This Subject, The Horse Is Dead

No need to guess who kings are "The Beast" is related to going into "Perdition", 2 Thessalonians 2:3 clearly explains (The Son Of Perdition) (The Beast) and (Man Of Sin) are the same human bad guy that's known as (The Antichrist), scripture interprets itself, it's that simple Revelation 17:8KJV 8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4KJV 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

As stated you are a "Partial Preterist" you believe Daniel's abomination of desolation and the great tribulation have been fulfilled "Fact" Just as I'm a "Futurist" and believe that none of the 3 items mentioned are fulfilled "Fact"

For those that enjoy reading apocalyptic Sci-Fi Wikipedia: The Ezekiel Option The Plot: A hijacked Aeroflot flight from Moscow to New York is flying on a kamikaze mission to Washington. Once it crosses the D.C air exclusion zone and is within several miles of the White House, US President MacPherson regretfully orders the plane to be shot down. The resulting shootdown of the plane by F-16's kills all of the hundreds of passengers on board. Jon Bennett, the senior advisor to the president, proposes to his girlfriend Erin McCoy while in Moscow to finalize the Israeli-Palestinian peace treaty that he helped create. When Erin says yes, the story of the jetliner shootdown breaks out and causes a political crisis between the Russian Federation and the United States. When they attempt to explain to Russian president Vadim what happened, Dr. Mordechai, the former head of Mossad, calls Jon to tell him he believes that the hijacking was orchestrated by elements of the Russian government, Iran, and the terrorist group Al-Nakbah to foment a crisis as a pretext for a potential coup in Moscow. Before Jon and Erin can relay this to President Vadim, Moscow, the Red Square, and the Kremlin are attacked by rebellious units of the Russian military. Jon and Erin are both injured in the ensuing gun battle in the Kremlin, where they both witness the Russian and Iranian cofounders of Al-Nakbah, Yuri Gogolov and Mohammed Jibril, execute President Vadim and his staff. After the "Second Russian Revolution" ends, Gogolov appoints himself as the new Russian czar and suspends all diplomatic relations with the United States. Jon is released by the Russians and is allowed to return to the US, but not before he is brought to Gogolov where he is led to believe that Erin was killed. In reality, Erin was captured and is being held captive in a Moscow military hospital for the purpose of obtaining CIA codes from her. Gogolov wins over most of the world when he says that he has convinced Iran to give up its nuclear program when in reality, he is planning to transfer nuclear warheads to Iran for arming its missiles. After this, he travels to New York City to address the UN, where he reveals his plan for UNSC resolution 2441, to force Israel to give up its WMD's and adhere to Security Council resolutions within thirty days or Russia and other nations will be forced to take military action against them. As this is happening, Dr. Mordechai and Jon deduce that the recent events have been prophesized in the Bible, in the War of Ezekiel 38-39. They believe it predicts that a coalition of nations, specifically referring to Russia, Iran, Germany, the former USSR republics, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Sudan, and the Arabian peninsula, will attack Israel, but that God will unleash the forces of heaven against them to prevent Israel's destruction. Because of these revelations, Dr. Mordechai recommends to Jon that he brief Macpherson and the Israeli prime minister Doron on his idea for the 'Ezekiel Option' as a response to the crisis. It outlines that they should put their faith in God to protect them, as an alternative to Israel's Samson Option, which recommends the firing of all of Israel's nuclear missiles against their enemies in case of invasion. Resolution 2241 passes through the UN Security Council, with all members voting to pass and the US abstaining. Afterward, a coalition of nations, lining up perfectly with those predicted in the Bible, start to amass millions of soldiers in a large invasion force that begins to surround Israel. Enraged at the president's refusal to do anything, Jon resigns and goes to Iran to sneak into Russia to save Erin. Meanwhile, Erin manages to escape the hospital in Moscow and go on the run, but Gogolov frames her for being a serial killer and puts a bounty on her head. Jon manages to sneak into Russia and heads to Moscow to link up with Erin and the civilians aiding her. Exactly one day before the resolution deadline passes, Russia fires a nuclear missile at Israel, revealing that Gogolov had always intended to destroy Israel, (due to him being inspired by Hitler and his fascist ideals). Jon and Erin finally reunite in Moscow and attempt to flee while fighting off the Russian security forces, just as the world braces for inevitable nuclear war. As Gogolov and Jibril evacuate Moscow to get to a bunker, a massive storm mysteriously manifests outside of Moscow, destroying the helicopter they are riding in and killing both Gogolov and Jibril. As this happens, the coalition forces move to invade, but the incoming nuclear missile vanishes, and a massive and sudden earthquake takes place with the epicenter in Jerusalem, big enough for the whole world to feel. Additionally, massive fiery projectiles coming from space proceed to destroy the military, government, and religious sites of all the coalition governments, as well as all the forces around Israel, killing millions of people. These events prove that the prophecy had come true and that God had come to Israel's rescue, which persuades Israel to call off its nuclear counterattack. As this happens, Jon and Erin embrace in the fiery ruins of Moscow and proceed to return to the United States in a world forever changed.

We Strongly Disagree The "Future" human man seen in Daniel 11:37 will be a king/ruler of Jewish/Hebrew Decent as I have shown

The ruler for measuring "Preterism" is found in the Olivet discourse in Matthew 24, as seen in the 3 items below If you believe one of the items has been fulfilled your in the "Partial Preterist" camp If you believe all 3 items have been fulfilled, your in the "Full Preterist" camp If you believe none of the 3 items have been fulfilled, your in the "Futurist" camp I'm "Futurist" in my eschatology 1.) Matthew 24:15, Daniel's Abomination of Desolation 2.) Matthew 24:21, The Great Tribulation 3.) Matthew 24:29-30, The Second Coming/Return of Jesus Christ

We Strongly Disagree, Daniel 9:27 Is Showing The "Future" Abomination Of Desolation By A Literal Human Man, That Will Be Present On Earth To See The "Future" Consummation or "Ultimate End" This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled Merriam-Webster Definition of consummation 1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage 2: the ultimate end Daniel 9:27KJV 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Jesus coming as seen below took place in 70AD, but he came in "Spirit" and nobody actually witnessed the event with their eyes "They Shall See"? Matthew 24:29-30KJV 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The Future Human Man, The Antichrist Seen Below In (Daniel) 11:37 Will Be A Hebrew/Jew In Decent, His Fathers Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers) (Daniel) 11:37KJV 37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. Examples: God Of His Fathers (2 Kings) 21:22KJV 22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord. (2 Chronicles) 21:10KJV 10 So the Edomites revolted from under the hand of Judah unto this day. The same time also did Libnah revolt from under his hand; because he had forsaken the Lord God of his fathers.

Caesar wasn't destroyed by the brightness of Jesus Christ coming, he committed suicide, and Jesus didnt return in the 1st century Preterist eschatology in 1st century fulfillment is a farce, more holes than swiss cheese If it dosent fit the Preterist 1st century fulfillment, its removed through symbolic allegory

When Was the Book of Revelation Written? By Wayne Jackson Traditionally, the book of Revelation has been dated near the end of the first century, around A.D. 96. Some writers, however, have advanced the preterist (from a Latin word meaning “that which is past”) view, contending that the Apocalypse was penned around A.D. 68 or 69, and thus the thrust of the book is supposed to relate to the impending destruction of Jerusalem (A.D. 70). A few prominent names have been associated with this position (e.g., Stuart, Schaff, Lightfoot, Foy E. Wallace Jr.), and for a brief time it was popular with certain scholars. James Orr has observed, however, that recent criticism has reverted to the traditional date of near A.D. 96 (1939, 2584). In fact, the evidence for the later date is extremely strong. In view of some of the bizarre theories that have surfaced in recent times (e.g., the notion that all end-time prophecies were fulfilled with the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70), which are dependent upon the preterist interpretation, we offer the following. External Evidence The external evidence for the late dating of Revelation is of the highest quality. Irenaeus Irenaeus (A.D. 180), a student of Polycarp (who was a disciple of the apostle John), wrote that the apocalyptic vision “was seen not very long ago, almost in our own generation, at the close of the reign of Domitian” (Against Heresies 30). The testimony of Irenaeus, not far removed from the apostolic age, is first rate. He places the book near the end of Domitian’s reign, and that ruler died in A.D. 96. Irenaeus seems to be unaware of any other view for the date of the book of Revelation. Clement of Alexandria Clement of Alexandria (A.D. 155-215) says that John returned from the isle of Patmos “after the tyrant was dead” (Who Is the Rich Man? 42), and Eusebius, known as the “Father of Church History,” identifies the “tyrant” as Domitian (Ecclesiastical History III.23). Even Moses Stuart, America’s most prominent preterist, admitted that the “tyrant here meant is probably Domitian.” Within this narrative, Clement further speaks of John as an “old man.” If Revelation was written prior to A.D. 70, it would scarcely seem appropriate to refer to John as an old man, since he would only have been in his early sixties at this time. Victorinus Victorinus (late third century), author of the earliest commentary on the book of Revelation, wrote: Jerome Jerome (A.D. 340-420) said, To all of this may be added the comment of Eusebius, who contends that the historical tradition of his time (A.D. 324) placed the writing of the Apocalypse at the close of Domitian’s reign (III.18). McClintock and Strong, in contending for the later date, declare that “there is no mention in any writer of the first three centuries of any other time or place” (1969, 1064). Upon the basis of external evidence, therefore, there is little contest between the earlier and later dates. Internal Evidence The contents of the book of Revelation also suggest a late date, as the following observations indicate. The spiritual conditions of the churches described in Revelation chapters two and three more readily harmonize with the late date. The church in Ephesus, for instance, was not founded by Paul until the latter part of Claudius’s reign: and when he wrote to them from Rome, A.D. 61, instead of reproving them for any want of love, he commends their love and faith (Eph. 1:15) (Horne 1841, 382). Yet, when Revelation was written, in spite of the fact that the Ephesians had been patient (2:2), they had also left their first love (v. 4), and this would seem to require a greater length of time than seven or eight years, as suggested by the early date. Another internal evidence of a late date is that this book was penned while John was banished to Patmos (1:9). It is well known that Domitian had a fondness for this type of persecution. If, however, this persecution is dated in the time of Nero, how does one account for the fact that Peter and Paul are murdered, yet John is only exiled to an island? (Eusebius III.18; II.25). Then consider this fact. The church at Laodicea is represented as existing under conditions of great wealth. She was rich and had need of nothing (3:17). In A.D. 60, though, Laodicea had been almost entirely destroyed by an earthquake. Surely it would have required more than eight or nine years for that city to have risen again to the state of affluence described in Revelation. The doctrinal departures described in Revelation would appear to better fit the later dating. For example, the Nicolaitans (2:6, 15) were a full-fledged sect at the time of John’s writing, whereas they had only been hinted at in general terms in 2 Peter and Jude, which were written possibly around A.D. 65-66. Persecution for professing the Christian faith is evidenced in those early letters to the seven churches of Asia Minor. For instance, Antipas had been killed in Pergamum (2:13). It is generally agreed among scholars, however, that Nero’s persecution was mostly confined to Rome; further, it was not for religious reasons (Harrison 1964, 446).

Preterist 70AD fulfillment is a farce, the Antichrist seen below "He" will be fulfilling Daniel's Abomination Of Desolation seen below in the "Future" This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled Merriam-Webster Definition of consummation 1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage 2: the ultimate end Daniel 9:27KJV 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

I Disagree, Daniel 9:27 clearly shows a "He" a literal human man with a personal pronoun This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled Merriam-Webster Definition of consummation 1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage 2: the ultimate end Daniel 9:27KJV 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The Beast of Revelation 13 is a literal human man, and is seen in Daniel chapter 7, 9, 11, all the same bad guy This human man will be a king/ruler of Jewish/Hebrew decent, and will be destroyed at the coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens 2 Thessalonians 2:8KJV 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Your claim is "Error", Jesus will return to earth and human eyes will witness this return Revelation 1:7KJV 7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. Luke 21:25-28KJV 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

I Strongly Disagree The two Witnesses will be literal prophets returned, they will bring literal plagues upon a literal world, they will have physical bodies that die, and lay in a physical street in Jerusalem, as a literal world watches in celebration of their death The 3.5 year tribulation is future, and will begin when the Antichrist is revealed in Jerusalem, proclaiming to be Messiah God returned