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  1. If He does it again and again, is He not still wiping away "all" tears? People may shed tears of joy. People may cry just because they made it to heaven. All will not arrive at the same time. Is this speaking of NOW, or after the rapture when billions enter heaven, or perhaps not until the Millennial reign of Christ? Perhaps you are right: 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.” It seems this will be both in the Holy City and on the earth also. John wrote, " Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, so wherever men are, there He will be; on the new earth or in the Holy City. Today it is a continuing process (wiping away tears). Then it will be once and for all time. Agree now?
  2. James 4:6 But He gives more grace. Therefore He says: “God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.” 7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Titus 1:1 Paul, a bondservant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect and the acknowledgment of the truth which accords with godliness, in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began, but has in due time manifested His word through preaching, which was committed to me according to the commandment of God our Savior; ... This is the kind of submission I speak of: the kind the bible talks of. OF COURSE it comes from love. "No, but He's NOT HERE, YET! It's WE who have done a terrible job with His church!" Sorry, but HE is the HEAD of the church. He has done great things with the church. As I said, from 12 to around the world. of course we as members of His body could have done better. Always remember, He is the HEAD. Members of His body follow the Head. They love Him and do His bidding.
  3. So find us a scripture - if you have one. In case you did not know, Isaac and Rebecka created Easu and Jacob. God hated Easu because of the kind of man he was. And that was Esau's doing, not God's.
  4. Apparently you don't "get it" better than most. Are you submitted to our Lord? Most believers are, to some extent to another. If we submit, then we are His servants, and even more than servants, friends. Still, we submit to Him out of love because we recognize Him as our Lord and Savior. Does He not command those that are His? Does He not say to one, "stay" and to another "go?" This is ruler-ship. It is what a KING Does. A King commands. Would you say He has done a terrible job with His church? It started with 12, and now covers the world. It is indeed a kingdom, but it cannot be a physical kingdom yet, because the kingdoms of the world belong to Satan. So we are here, but not a part of this earthly kingdom. It is not our body that got born again, it is our spirit. God dwells in our spirit, not in our body. Remember, Jesus told Pilate that His kingdom was not of this world. This proves He has a kingdom. It proves He is a King. Therefore I disagree with you.
  5. There is no "if" there: God does know everything. For example: Revelation 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. This tells us that God knew before Adam was created that He would have to come to earth as a man, to die for our sins. What's the purpose? Rev. 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
  6. You are reading into this scripture what is NOT THERE. Have you ever gone to a "closing" and signed a stack of papers to purchase a house? It is at the closing that the property is TRANSFERRED from one owner to another. This transfer of ownership is never done at the property being purchased; it is done somewhere else. All this scripture tells us is that the ownership or really ruler-ship of the world has changed: Satan lost and Jesus gained the kingdoms of the world. The third time is clearly shown in Rev. 19. It will be after the days of great tribulation. But now you will ask, "then where is His second coming? And I would answer, 1 thes. 4 & 5. When you write, "seal, trump and vial" I know immediately we have a problem. Axiom on Revelation: ANY theory that must rearrange John's God given chronology is immediately suspect and WILL BE proven wrong. The seals, trumpets and vials are SEQUENTIAL, not concurrent. Did you not see where the 7th seal must be opened before the 7 angels with the trumpets can sound? "Satan comes" What? Satan has been, is, and will be (until the 7th trumpet) the god of this present world. He has never left, so impossible for him to "come." What scriptures are you reading to come up with this stuff? John CLEARLY shows us His coming in Rev. 19. This is AFTER the 70th week has finished and over course AFTER the days of GT that come during the 70th week. Stop rearranging the book! It is right as it is written!
  7. Wailing Wall wrote, No more tears. No one will be raptured off to heaven. When we are changed in the twinkling of an eye, we meet the Lord in the air and its off to the kingdom rest with Jesus. So now we know where we are going at the so called “rapture” event. You can miss the awesome flight to heaven that will take place at the pretrib rapture if you choose, but as for me and my house, we will FLY! I will get to see my mansion. I will get to see JESUS. I will get to see the throne room in heaven. (See Rev. 7) By the way, Jesus can certainly wipe away tears more than once.
  8. Wailing Wall wrote, DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP IN VICTORY. At the 1Cor15 event “death is swallowed up in victory”. It happens only once. It is true that this 1 Cor. 15 event will happen only once, for that will be at the pretrib rapture of the church, when God raises His bride. But "death swallowed up in victory" will happen first with the New Testament Bride, and then later with the Old Testament saints (who were NOT "in Christ" while they lived.
  9. "The Day of the Lord is His 2nd and only return,which starts at the 7th and last trump,then after that day,we shall have the Day of God" YOu have escaped reality in three directions! There IS NO COMING at the 7th trumpet: that is myth. He will come the second time FOR His saints, and a third time WITH His saints. And the Day of the Lord begins right where John wrote it: at the 6th seal.
  10. I will get to see my mansion at the time of the rapture. You may not get to see yours until you lose your head. And then how will you see? (I am jesting on seeing without a head.) As for Greek grammer and present tense, the idea given is that it will be "great tribulation" (but NOT the days of GT that Jesus spoke of) around the world at the time of the rapture. What can we make of this? I doubt a day goes by today that someone is not murdered because they love Jesus. It IS great tribulation for those murdered: how could it be greater? Can they be killed twice? The idea of a repeated action, one after another, is not forced on the Greek: it can be a single action.
  11. Sounds good in theory, but those that know the TIMING of Revelation can immediately see that your timing is OFF. The Bride of Christ will be caught up into the air over 7 years before Christ comes for the battle of Armageddon. Then their will be another 1000 years, then the great white throne judgment, and finally, after that - and we don't know how long after that - the new earth will be created. And finally the New Jerusalem will descend. Will the Bride of Christ be sitting on clouds all this time? Of course not! They will be escorted into heaven to await the wrath of God poured out on earth. They they will return WITH HIM to the Battle of Armageddon as part of the armies of God. Note, Revelation CLEARLY shows the marriage and supper will take place IN HEAVEN before Jesus descends to the Battle of Armageddon.
  12. In 1 Thes. 4 & 5, it is NOT AT ALL Paul's (or the Holy Spirit's) intent that the rapture would be IN the day of the Lord, but rather that the rapture would be the TRIGGER for the Day. We could back up a second further and say that Christ's COMING will be the trigger for the resurrection/rapture event. When the dead in Christ rise, this event (the bringing together of the atoms or Quarks that once made up those bodies) will cause a world wide earthquake, and this earthquake (the very same one as seen at the 6th seal) will be the start of the DAy of the Lord, and the start of His wrath, and Paul's "sudden destruction. AT this SUDDENLY - the dead in Christ rising - two groups of people will get two different results: those living in the light of the gospel - IN Christ - will get raptured and so not be in this "sudden destruction" earthquake. But those living in the darkness will have no escape, and will suffer and live through (or die in) this great earthquake. Make no mistake, this eathquake will be the beginning of the DAY.
  13. He just don't get it: the Kingdom of God was IN JESUS and He spread it around. Now it is in us - the CHURCH. It is a SPIRITUAL Kingdom for the present. When Jesus comes with POWER, He will then set up His physical kingdom.
  14. Retrobyter wrote, Sorry, but the Kingdom of God is NOT "already here Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. Retrobyter proved wrong yet again with scripture.
  15. I'm with Marcus on this one.