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    The Day of the Lord

    Very few, if any here are going to agree with you - and I certainly don't.
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    Mystery Babylon

    For once at least, Wingnut, I think you hit the nail squarely on the head!
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    Conversation about the Tribulation and God`s Wrath.

    Marilyn, I disagree. I think each of these 5 fallen were empires that controlled and harassed Israel. I would say Nebuchadnezzar as the first, Darius as the second as the Median Empire, then perhaps the King of Persia while Esther was alive, Then Antiochus Epiphanes. I have no guess for all five. I hate to start with ,Egypt or Assyria because of the great image old Neb' saw. God started with Babylon. Others would say Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-persia, Greece, and Rome as the one that "is." In other words, I think John's statement of "one is" puts the 5 into history. I think it must be history that fits the image in Daniel 2 and the image of Daniel 7.
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    Conversation about the Tribulation and God`s Wrath.

    John wrote that the woman is sitting on seven heads which are seven mountains with seven kings. I believe John is referring to 7 nations, each with a leader. But he goes on to say that five of these had already come and gone by that time, one was present, and one was to come. HOWEVER, since the woman is sitting (presently in the timeframe John was seeing) on 7 kingdoms. the meaning is clear, there are still PEOPLE living in the land areas of those 5 kingdoms that were fallen. Each of those empires that were then gone, at the time of the end, may well be made up of several nations that exist today. And we know, each of these nations today has a leader. And this woman, referring to the city of Jerusalem during the last 1260 days, will be ruling over all the nations currenly in the same land areas as those ancient empires that are long gone. If we look at maps of those fallen empires, we see that each in succession took over most of what we now call the Middle East. Did you notice in Rev. 7 these two verses? 11 “I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. 12 As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time. How should we understand these verses? I believe it is certainly speaking of the time of the last 1260 days, and of the four beasts Daniel saw, each with a king, we see that one beast was slain (I believe the Antichrist as seen in Rev. 19) but the other kings get to live for perhaps a year and a month or so. Who are these four beasts? It seems Daniel wrote each description as if they were referencing the empires represented in the image of chapter 2. So again I believe it is speaking of the land areas of these ancient empires. And again I picture the modern nations of the Middle East. Your thoughts?
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    Watchman Nee's Understanding of the Rapture

    I agree: God VERY MUCH respects our will. If we CHOOSE to live for Satan, God allows that. But if we choose to live for God, then He will come along side to assist us.
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    Watchman Nee's Understanding of the Rapture

    It is certainly the Holy Spirit that is doing the restraining, but Jesus gave His authority to the church. In other words, the Holy Spirit must work through the church. When the church is "taken out of the way" suddenly the Holy Spirit has no believers to work through. So the man of sin can then be revealed. Remember what Paul said, that Satan is "the god of this world." He usurped Adam's authority so all the kingdoms of the world belong (for now) to him. But God gave the church authority over Satan.
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    Being Ready & Encouraging Others

    How true!
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    Defense of the Pre Trib Rapture

    Ha! I agree with you on the first seal. They want to pull it out of its context of chapters 4 & 5, which shows us that the first seals were opened around 32 AD when Jesus ascended. As you have guessed, "prewrath" is just one more in a line of myths concerning the rapture.
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    Defense of the Pre Trib Rapture

    You are reading into that scripture what is not there! And you are pulling it out of its context also. John shows us this 5th seal was opened as soon as Jesus ascended, around 32 AD. It is for the martyrs of the CHURCH AGE. They had no idea how long the church age would last. Stop and think: 70th week martyrs should know they only have to finish the 7 years and Jesus will return. So no reason to ask. But those early church age martyrs had a good reason to ask. I am convinced James and Stephen were in that group.
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    Defense of the Post-Trib / Pre-Wrath Position

    YOu see, years ago, I was just minding my own business, reading in Daniel 9:27. When my eyes and my mind got to the word "Midst" God suddenly spoke and said, "you could find that exact midpoint 'clearly marked' in the book of Revelation." I asked Him how, and He replied, "every time I mentioned an event that would start at the midpoint and continue to the end of the week, I always included the 3 1/2 year period of time. When you find the mentions of the 3 1/2 years, you will be very close to the exact midpoint. In fact, you could find the entire 70th week 'clearly marked.'" When had said that past part, He told me HOW I would find the entire week, "clearly marked" but not with words: I just suddenly knew: He used the same "marker" for the beginning, midpoint and end. So I went to work, maybe 4 hours a day, searching for the "exact midpoint" "Clearly marked." I discovered the exact midpoint was "marked" as He said, with a 7. It was the 7th trumpet. I flipped pages as fast as I could to read at the 7th vial. It said, "it is done." I knew then I had found what He sent me to find. Then I flipped pages even faster to find the 7th seal, and I read of the 30 minutes of silence: I knew then I had found the entire week "clearly marked." I also thought, how like God to begin this time of judgment with 30 minutes of silence. After reading and meditating on these things I am convinced the 70th week marked by 7's fits smoothly with all other scripture. So the DAY starts first, then quickly followed by the 70th week. But the 70th week ends at the 7th vial but the DAY continues on. Rev. 12 does tell us that at the midpoint, the Dragon will turn on those who are fleeing, and try to kill them, but finding they are supernaturally protected will turn on the "remnant" of her seed, meaning all who believe in Jesus at this point in time. I am convinced the Holy Spirit chose "remnant" because the main load was caught up previous to this time. So it will be at the midpoint that days of tribulation begin. But it will get worse: the False prophet does not show up right at the midpoint. John shows that the man of sin turned Beast will show up first. Then, after some unknown time, the False Prophet will show up. then, the image will be created and the mark. And finally, when they are ready, the time of enforcement will begin: worship the image and take the mark, or lose your head. I personally believe those days will make the holocaust seem insignificant with the number of beheadings. Notice that those beheaded do not show up in heaven until chapter 15. And notice the warning not to take the mark is given in chapter 14. Therefore, the really bad days Jesus was talking about will not begin until after chapter 14 in John's narrative. I am further convinced that God will use the vials of His wrath to SHORTEN those days. the 42 months are not shortened, but the days in those 42 months where the Beast and False prophet are beheading will be shortened: they will not go the entire 42 months. Near the end, they will be in terrible pain, and in total darkness for some period of time, UNABLE to hunt down people and behead them. I like the way you start and end your messages! I agree, Hallelujah! His word is AWESOME.
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    Defense of the Post-Trib / Pre-Wrath Position

    I have often wondered If when John wrote "The day of His wrath has come" it he meant with the earthquake or that it was ABOUT to begin with the first Trumpet judgment. I have so far chose the earthquake, because all the signs were there. Next, I don't think the Holy Spirit was trying to trick us here. I think He included "the day of His wrath has come" because it started with the earthquake. I think the Holy Spirit is telling us that they read the signs correctly and knew that THE DAY had started. If we study 1 thes. 5, we learn the same thing: the Sudden destruction comes the very same time as the catching up. One group of people get caught up and ESCAPE the sudden destruction, while another group of people are left behind and suffer the Sudden destruction. Then Paul tells us that this sudden destruction is the beginning of God's wrath. Therefore we have two witnesses. It would be silly to believe they happen at the same time: the seals are sealing the document and said document cannot be opened to reveal the trumpet and bowl judgments until all 7 seals are opened.
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    Defense of the Post-Trib / Pre-Wrath Position

    You can't just skim over a verse and hope to know the intent of the Author! You have to DIG! You have to meditate. What is the evidence? What did they SEE? They saw the Sun turn dark and the moon appear blood red. They knew Joel said this was the sign for the Day of the Lord. They saw from Kings down to peons running into the mountains and crying for the rocks to cover them: exact as Isaiah 2 said would happen at the Day of the Lord. Do I have to show YOu what Joel said? I guess so, because you have MISSED IT. Joel 2 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come. They SAW the sun turn dark, and the SAW the moon turn to blood. They SAW the great earthquake. They knew exactly what was happening: THE DAY was upon them. So what happens next? The 7th seal opens the 70th week and the trumpet judgments come. What do they do? They DESTROY THE EARTH a piece at a time. Did you not read? Isaiah 13:9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. This is EXACTLY what happens with the trumpet judgments - only God in His mercy starts judgment with 1/3 judgments. But they trumpets are most certainly a fulfillment of Isaiah 13:9. It is the DAY. But the DAY continues with the vials of God's wrath. Make no mistake here, the BIBLE tells us the entire 70th week is God's wrath. So much for your theories. Follow the WORD and you won't go wrong. If the Joel 2 signs were not there, the Isaiah 2 signs would be enough to know THE DAY has started. If the Isaiah 2 signs were not there, then the Joel 2 signs would be enough to know THE DAY has started. But we have BOTH. And they we see in the trumpets that God begins the destruction of the world: again THE DAY.
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    Defense of the Post-Trib / Pre-Wrath Position

    Readers take note: now I am a "false teacher." Why is this? Simply because what I teach disagrees with his teaching. Let the reader decide who is the deceiver. He declares that the pretrib rapture is and escape that will not come. I declare for all to hear that GOD is pretrib and will nost certainly come before the "trib" or 70th week to rescue those who are His. But it is not what I say, it is what SCripture declares. Notice how Paul put it, speaking of the rapture: Paul tells us there is a SUDDENLY coming, at a time when people are saying "peace and safety." Therefore a day just like today. SUDDENLY and without warning the dead in Christ will fly up into the air, And just as suddenly those alive in in Christ will fly up into the air with them, and TOGETHER (the gathering) we will rise up to meet the Lord in the air. Now, according to Paul, ONE SPLIT SECOND after the dead in Christ rise up, TWO different groups of people get two different results: those living in darkness get "sudden destruction." Make no mistake, this sudden destruction will come one split second after the dead in Christ are raised: it will be a great, worldwide earthquake caused by the dead in Christ raising. Matthew wrote, "the earth quaked...and the graves were opened." Again, AT THIS SAME TIME, those living in the light of the gospel get another ending... 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. 7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. 8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. Again take note of what is written.....follow the bold: "Them" get sudden destruction, but what to those in Christ get? We get "salvation" and get to "live together with Him!" HOW do we get to live with Him? Of course, by way of RAPTURE. Notice closely, not me but PAUL: rather than "wrath (the sudden destruction) We get raptured. Now notice what this wrath is associated with: 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. Notice that the Day of the Lord IS the day of His wrath, just as John put it at the 6th seal. Don't miss this: THEY get wrath, WE get raptured, happening at the same time. We are OUT OF HERE before God's wrath. And where is that wrath in Revelation: of course at the 6th seal. I did not write this: it is GOD'S WORD. Pretrib is WRITTEN in God's word. Notice God's own "escape plan:" Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. Just as Paul said, those living in Christ get to escape, while those left behind get sudden destruction.
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    Defense of the Post-Trib / Pre-Wrath Position

    how interesting: someone here is "this deceiver." Well, let's look at a scripture: Rev. 6 12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal,...17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” I did not write this, John did. This is telling us that the Day of the Lord STARTS right here! This is telling us God's wrath begins RIGHT HERE. Notice How Isaiah put it: Isa 2:10 Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty. 12 For the day of the Lord of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low: 19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth. 21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth. Now how John put it: Rev. 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? John, it seems, copied almost word for word from Isaiah. The truth then is that the 6th seal will be the fulfillment of this prophecy by Isaiah as the START of the Day of the Lord. Don't take my word for this: read the book! what comes after the 6th seal? the 7th seal - - offically starts the 70th week of Daniel trumpet judgments 7th trumpet marks the midpoint of the week Beast and False prophet erect an image and force all to worship it. They force all to take a MARK. Days of great tribulation follow God begins pouring out the vials of His wrath with the associated plagues to SHORTEN those days of GT. the 7th vial ENDS THE WEEK - but Jesus remains in heaven. Marriage and supper take place IN HEAVEN The raptured church is ALREADY THERE, having been raptured before the 6th seal. Finally Jesus returns WITH the armies of heaven, including the previously raptured church. This is scripture, not preconceived ideas. Axiom on Revelation: ANY theory that must rearrange John's God given chronology is immediately suspect and WILL BE proven wrong.
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    Defense of the Post-Trib / Pre-Wrath Position

    Readers take note: John shows God's wrath beginning at the 6th seal, but in Revelation that is 3 1/2 years before the midpoint of the week! In other words, before the week begins. Understand, readers, that the book of Revelation IS that book in the Father;s hand from chapter 8 onward. this book is sealed by 7 seals. All 7 must be opened before the book can be opened to reveal the trumpet judgments, which are written INSIDE the book. Therefore, to imagine the seals inside the 70th week is simply not truth. The trumpet judgments come in the first half of the week. The days of GT that Jesus spoke of will not begin until after the man of sin and False Prophet create the image and mark and then begin to enforce them. He has divided Satan's wrath and God's wrath, but in truth, they come AT THE SAME TIME and cannot be separated. God will use the vials of His wrath to shorten the days of GT.