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Joe I know what you believe as posted, but the scripture below dosent agree with you The 7th Trump sounds and the events take place, the final judgement seen below dosent happen some time later as you claim Revelation 11:15-19KJV 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. 19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail

Of course the final judgement takes place in verse 18 below, in verse 15 the 7th trump was blown The time of the dead that they should be judged, prophets and saints rewarded, what's that mean Joe? Revelation 11:15-18KJV 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Once again, no such thing as a pre-trib rapture found in scripture, you can talk about it all ya want, its found in John N. Darby's book of fairy tales and fables

Romans 2:28-29KJV 28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. James 1:1KJV James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. Two Israel's Are Mentioned Below Israel, children of the flesh Israel, children of the promise Romans 9:6-8KJV 6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

You will closely note that the 7th Trump brings the "Final Judgement" as seen in verse 18 below (The End) no Millennial Kingdom on this earth following 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. 19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Joe Revelation 11:18 below shows the final judgement taking place (The End)? 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. 19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

I disagree with your claims, Genesis 22:17-18 speaks of "Seed" singular, and that being Jesus Christ, the "Seed" that multiplies is (The church) You "Add" to scripture in "Seeds" plural, then run about the map with multiple different groups Jesus Christ was the fulfillment of Genesis 22:17-18 as is clealy shown below, seed "Singular" that is Jesus Christ, not seeds "Plural" as you claim several different groups Genesis 22:17-18KJV 17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; 18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice. Galatians 3:16KJV 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

You break Genesis 22:17-18 up into many different seeds "Plural", something not seen Jesus Christ was the fulfillment of Genesis 22:17-18 as is clealy shown below, seed "Singular" that is Jesus Christ, not seeds "Plural" as you claim several different groups Genesis 22:17-18KJV 17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; 18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice. Galatians 3:16KJV 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Joe you dont see that the 7th vial and 7th trump are the same event in the (End)? Revelation 11:15KJV 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. Revelation 16:17KJV 17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

I have answered your question directly several times Once again there is no pre-trib rapture found in scripture If you believe a pre-trib rapture is seen in Revelation, feel free to post your claims, waiting?

Once again you proclaim Israel "Jews" after the resurrection can't be made clean by the blood if Jesus, but could be made ritually clean by the Law, a teaching in error Then you proclaim different resurrections based upon ethnicity, one for Jews, another for the church There is one time in resurrection of all that have lived (All That Are In The Graves) John 5:28-29KJV 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

I have answered your question directly Once again there is no pre-trib rapture found in scripture Let your response include a verse claiming a pre-trib rapture is seen, waiting?

The 70 week prophecy isnt years Charlie, ifthat was so Daniel would have written (Four Hundred Ninety Years) he didn't, he wrote (Seventy Weeks)

Beings from outer space? I was thinking more in line of Steven Spielberg's Jurassic Park, what ya think?

Once again there is no pre-trib rapture found in scripture Let your response include a verse claiming a pre-trib rapture is seen, waiting?

God has a family, it's called (The Church)

Do you believe any of the three items below have been fulfilled, if yes when? 1. Matthew 24:15 Daniel's Abomination? 2. Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation? 3. Matthew 24:29-31 The Second Coming?

No such thing as a pre-trib rapture, the Church will be present on earth to witness the second coming

You run from your claim that Matthew 25:31-46 ends in a Millennial Kingdom on this earth, respond to your claims made, no diversion is needed No works to obtain salvation are seen as you claim, sheep represent saved, and goats unsaved Matthew 25:31-46 is a "Parable" using sheep/goats speaking to herdsman, just as fish and nets to fishermen, wheat/tares to farmers, all "Parables" Matthew 25:31-46 in the sheep/ goat judgement, is nothing more than a "Parable" of the final great white throne judgement in Revelation 20:11-15, the Kingdom seen is the eternal kingdom in the new heaven and earth, your claim this represents a Millennial Kingdom on this earth is "Error" As scripture clearly shows below the righteous obtain "Eternal Life" in the "Eternal Kingdom" prepared before the foundations of the world Matthew 25:34 & 46KJV 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

The woman is Israel, the man child is Jesus Christ, the dragon trying to devour the man child when hes born, is when King Herod tried to kill Jesus Revelation 12:4 is a recap of historical events, satan was cast out of heaven long ago, who do you think tempted Jesus for 40 days/nights on this earth?

You falsely claim I suggest eternal life by works, as you "divert attention" from my factual response to these claims You made the claim that Matthew 25:31-46 in the sheep/goat judgement ends in a "Millennial Kingdom" on this earth Matthew 25:31-46 in the sheep/ goat judgement, is nothing more than a "Parable" of the final great white throne judgement in Revelation 20:11-15, the Kingdom seen is the eternal kingdom in the new heaven and earth, your claim this represents a Millennial Kingdom on this earth is "Error" As scripture clearly shows below the righteous obtain "Eternal Life" in the "Eternal Kingdom" prepared before the foundations of the world Matthew 25:34 & 46KJV 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

We disagree, I have explained my position several times Jesus Is The Lord

Matthew 25:31-46 in the sheep/ goat judgement, is nothing more than a "Parable" of the final great white throne judgement in Revelation 20:11-15, the Kingdom seen is the eternal kingdom in the new heaven and earth, your claim this represents a Millennial Kingdom on this earth is "Error" As scripture clearly shows below the righteous obtain "Eternal Life" in the "Eternal Kingdom" prepared before the foundations of the world Matthew 25:34 & 46KJV 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

There are no covenants or promises with National Ethnic Israel In Dwelling With the King"None"

The promise is right there, the holy nation of Israel will dwell with their King in the New Heaven and Earth, it's called New Jerusalem 2 Peter 3:13KJV 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Revelation 21:1-5KJV 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.