Bozrah will be the first stop for the Lord on his return, then on to Israel. 

Q why doesn't the Bible mention the resurrection that happens with your pre-trib rapture. Like it does the first resurrection at the second coming 

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

 

Great work Diaste, I agree with everything you say

Quasar93 Where are the millions of believers that have past away in the last 2000 or so years?

Where in the Bible does it talk about the resurrection that accompanies the pre-trib rapture? I can find the second coming and resurrection in Rev:20.

9 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

Keep studying and you may get it

Nope, that's not in the Bible.

What covenant is the Lord going to confirm 

I agree sister except for the last sentence, I think we have the last 3 1/2 still in front of us

Shiloh, while I do agree with what you imply here, the USA wasn't here until after the civil war 

9 hours ago, Abdicate said:

Ok, so you don't believe in the rapture... what word would you use to point to this passage of scripture?

1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 (KJV)
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

I'm not scolding, I'm honestly asking. You said you don't believe there's a clear verse, so what word would you choose to describe this event? I really am asking.

If you read that verse you will notice it says nothing about going to heaven. Granted that is a rapture verse, but it dose not say anything about going to heaven.

AH everything you said could also be applied to the people preaching the pre-trib doctrine 

Notice the post - tribers  in our group have yet to predict a rapture date 

The Bible disagrees with you, it says they're will be a great falling away. 

What will they prophecy? They will have a big job ahead of them, trying to convince the pre-tribbers  they were wrong!!! 

Great post Gus, every word the truth.

Michael is the one holding him back 

6 hours ago, Psalms37:4 said:

You're opening up a huge can of worms here where you can't even resolve one prophecy.

How does what you wrote prove Revelation 6:12 and Matthew 24:29 are the same event?

Revelation 6:12 New King James Version (NKJV)

¹² I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold,there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood.

Matthew 24:29 New King James Version (NKJV)

²⁹ “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

 

If they are the same event, that would mean you're telling me the 6th seal of Revelation is opened immediately after the tribulation.

Here's the question again. Why would God seal the 144,000 immediately after the tribulation?

The 144,000 is sealed at the 6th seal: Revelation 7:3-8.

 

Here's another question. Why are the 7 trumpets being handed out immediately after the tribulation if they are the same event?

At the 7th seal, we see 7 trumpets given to the 7 angels: Revelation 8:1-2

Revelation 8:1-2 New King James Version (NKJV)

1 When He opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. ² And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and to them were given seven trumpets.

 

So by making Revelation 6:12 and Matthew 24:29 to be the same event, are you trying to tell us there's another tribulation coming immediately after the tribulation? Double tribulations?

You got a big can of worms here buddy!

 

 

 

No not double tribulations, after the tribulation is over, the wrath of God is poured out.

The only way to peace for Israel (before the Lord comes back) is to wipe out the trespassers.

Those 7 churches the letters were written to have long been past

Ain't it nice that the pre-trib crowd always gets to miss out on all the bad stuff and the rest of us get the worst end of it.

The only escape is, For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but will obtain everlasting life.

Our blessed hope is the resurrection 

Lamad are those saints that get overcome not going to be included in the church 

2 hours ago, Davida said:

Seems like a good idea to have metal detectors at the Temple Mount to protect against attacks and who would argue against that?

The people that want to do the attacking, the muslems