Bible_Gazer

11 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Bible_Gazer,

This is, I believe the Lord who is revealed to us as the Great Mediator, the one who is the covenant between God and Man. We see Him as the Angel (messenger) of the Covenant, (Mal. 3: 1) The `rainbow on His head,` clearly shows that this is the Lord the one on the throne. (Rev. 4: 3). His `face was like the sun,` the glory of God, and His `feet like pillars of fire,` representing the judging work of Christ. (Note the description of the Lord in Rev. 1: 13 - 16).

The little book refers to those people in Israel who turn to the Lord in the tribulation. The Prophet Daniel was given details by the angel Michael.

`...there shall be a time of trouble, such as was since there was a nation, even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone who is found in the book.` (Dan. 12: 1 & 2)  &

`So a book of remembrance was written before Him for those who fear the Lord and meditate on His name. `(Mal. 3: 16)

Daniel tells us which people, Israel, & which particular time it will happen, - in the tribulation. The prophet Malachi also tells of this book with the names of those who turn again to God in the time of `the day of His coming.`  (Mal. 3: 2)

I can write more but you or others may want to comment on this so far.

Marilyn.

Thanks Marilyn, your reasoning about this mighty angel Just may be the Lord.  

The little book that John eats, he was told to prophesy it. I always leaned toward it  just being the book of revelation. sweet and bitter news.

Revelation 10  = I have not read a discussion on this chapter, so what are the thoughts ?

1. who is the mighty angel, his feet on the sea and the earth ?

2.  what is the little book ?

3. what is the seven thunders message ? yes it is sealed, but will it ever be opened, if so when ? 

4.  the mystery of God when is it to be finished ? is this just parts or all of Revelation ?

5. Time no longer ?  what is this about ?

6. How does Revelation 10 fit in between the sixth and seventh trumpet time frame, even before the 2 witnesses Rev.11 ?

You may have some questions, go ahead and add to this.

If Jesus is not the head of the body church, then it is some other head is ruling.

The thing about a body group of people you look at the head and see who it is.

Who is in authority of that group ?  man's order or bible order

Here is something to consider about a last day, one of the last day was in Acts 2 event. 

Those scriptures used in John 6, could it really be referring to this ?

Acts 2:16-18 (KJV)     signs of the  HG baptism
¹⁶  But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
¹⁷  And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:             ¹⁸  And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

Ephesians 2:1 (KJV) ¹  And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Romans 6:4 (KJV) ⁴  Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Colossians 2:12 (KJV) ¹²  Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Romans 8:11 (KJV)
¹¹  But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
 

Could this be what Jesus was referring to raising up people in their baptism to give them life

Jesus did come with the holy spirit to dwell in them.

Last days can be for different events.

Satan will have his last day which is in Rev. 20

1 Corinthians 15:3-8 (KJV)
³  For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
⁴  And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
⁵  And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
⁶  After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
⁷  After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
⁸  And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

"the above five hundred brethren" 

you might think it was a special selection of people who got to see Jesus after the resurrection.

It doesn't mention the women who saw him after his resurrection. So there could have been women with the above five hundred brethren.

They weren't with the special 120 in the upper room. But most likely in the 3,000 that received the holy spirit.

Sooo  could the above five hundred be the Matthew 27 OT worthies resurrection group ?

The OT saints did look for a resurrection, they lacked in coming short of the promise.Heb.11

Everybody has to have Jesus to make to heaven including the OT saints, so they would have to hear and except him, so when would that be ?

Just a thought 

Try another view #3

46 minutes ago, simplejeff said:

Most of the ideas of men are myths, so don't lean on them at all.

During the time you ask,  there are both righteous and unrighteous, faithful and unfaithful people, 

but there is peace because there is a righteous ruler enforcing the law and TORAH,  thus peace.

What will be the purpose of that 1,000 years ? 

You have all these righteous and unrighteous dying and people keep being born into the world. 

Those that die will they get a resurrection ?...…….. well there is a 2nd resurrection at the end, so that could be a yes ?  Humm

Then one day God says enough is enough, I got what I want.

19 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Millennium eternity ????  but at the other end of the 1,000 years there is another system Gog and Magog nations that are Bad people and a another battle, some will not have eternity, some will die.

These people existed inside the 1,000 year period. They are not righteous people, then how can there be peace on Earth at this time ? If some thinks this way.

So what is the answer to this ? 

Isn't Armageddon suppose to take care of the problem, plus all the other calamities put together ?

So in chart #2
The so called Armageddon does not wipe out all the bad nations of the world.
That will come at the end time of the world 1John 2:15-17 - at the end of the 1,000 year(millennium) Rev.20
1 John 2:15-17 (KJV)
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

Let us try a different view #2

Rev.6 The four horse men - Calamity and death
Rev.11 The beast from bottomless pit war against the two witnesses
Rev.12 The Red Dragon wars against the people of God
Rev.13 Those that are killed for not following the 2 Beasts from the sea and earth

So we have the Rev.13 beast ruling for 42 months - or 3 1/2 years.
The earth Image beast rules for maybe the last 3 1/2 years which makes it 7 years ??
The other Beast in Rev. 17 rules for 1 hour = …………...
The Red Dragon goes after the woman she is hid 3 1/2 years, war is at the end with the remnant. maybe the first part of the 7 year ???

The Four Horsemen = doesn't say when they start, as far as anything to do with the so call 7 years.

???

Rev.6 The four horse men - Calamity and death

Rev.11 The beast from bottomless pit war against the two witnesses

Rev.12 The Red Dragon wars against the people of God

Rev.13 Those that are killed for not following the 2 Beasts from the sea and earth.

The sixth seal - wrath is coming on the enemies of God Rev. 6

Rev.7:1 - the 4 winds to hurt the earth

Rev.8 and 9 and 11 - the seven trumpets

Rev.16 The seven vials

Rev.14 The Angel with the sharp sickle gather the vine of the earth for the wrath of God's winepress

Rev.17 Ten kings turn against the Harlot system, destroys her

Rev.18:8 Babylon plagues come in one day and shall be burned with fire

Rev.19 Jesus and his Armies war against the Beast , Kings, and false prophet cast into the lake of fire

Rev.2:26-27 Overcomers rule with a rod of iron breaking down the nations

Tinkering with the thinkers

Can you figure all this out, when all this will happen the one after the others, to some it seem to be all in a short time span.

There is a lot of individuals doing a lot of  things - God, Angels, Satan, Overcomers, Jesus's armies, Beast, Kings, false prophet, The Horsemen

18 minutes ago, StJoek said:

Why?

because I want what I want and they give it to their kids and they pass it on to their kids so now we have a bunch of fallen people.

 well there was some help from Satan

This is what happen when given freedom to do what you want.

So the righteous want to do the will of God, which requires discipline, but they love it because it is good.

different kinds of people = wayside, stony, thorny, good ground.

1 Peter 4:18 (KJV)
¹⁸  And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
 

Well to be considered, Christian in this world is  out numbered by the ungodly. Has been for along time.

The sinners  out number the righteous.

Ever consider that if there is a place called hell for the eternity living dead that they are going to be here with the righteous on the same planet earth.

Wow, we will never be to far from them, just on a different level.  That is if people holds to that hell is beneath scripturally. Prov.15:21

Rev.21:2-3 does say heaven is coming down to earth and Matt.5:5 says the meek shall inherit the earth.

Hum !

There will be shouting of glory above and shouting of pain below. 

Just can't see it being that way. 

well there seem to be many views

Here is one I seem to have heard of.

Matthew 23:15 (KJV)
¹⁵  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

This hell here would be the false religions. The proselyte went from one hell to another.

One place it says and it seem to be related is "the gates of hell". This may be talking about those false religious gates.

4 different color horses 

4 different kinds of riders

Most likely the works of them are in different time frame.

Most likely the riders are represented by the colors.

But could it be by any chance that it could be of a certain group, that it has changed thru time.

example - the church

9 hours ago, JohnD said:

Revelation 1:6 (AV)
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Revelation 5:10 (AV)
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

1 Peter 2:3–9 (AV)
3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

I'd like to get to the "kings" part later.

Does this apply to all believers or not?

If yes, then does this indicate much is lacking in the way we approach life, our faith, and the system of Church organization as it has been for some 1500 years? 

Who is everyone ?

There seem to be an elect that rules with Jesus during the Millennium Rev.20 to do a job.

Rev.2:26-28 say an overcomer rules with a rod of iron breaking down the false nations.

Rev.19 those in white linen(his bride or elect) riding with Jesus on white horses going against the Beast and Kings

Seem to be an assignment to do something, when it is done there may be no need of a priest or ministry of that type to help save people .

King has authority in governing 

Priest has authority in preaching salvation, handling God's words

To me its a special calling or an elect group to do a special work, but does not need everyone to do it.

Just a consideration

1 minute ago, Jostler said:

Martin Luther with all his flaws, was used by God to restore awareness of a truth the Catholic hierarchy had nearly stamped out.  Every move of God is resisted by satan and his minions and suffers from the flaws of the messengers.  But He is able to finish perfect work with imperfect tools.

Well its just a thought that if God was restoring something thru the reformation, then something has fallen from the original .

if the church has been progressing from the time the reformation started, then it must has fallen from the truth it once had.

Paul said in 2Thess. that iniquity was already working in the church and he said in Acts 20 wolves would come in , he said in Galatians that someone preaching another gospel and Jesus

The everlasting gospel angel is suppose to be taking place, so it does not seem to go away ever again until everyone is converted, which is another about 1,000 years away when everything is done.

40 minutes ago, Steve Conley said:

Greetings to all in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,

BG, the falling away (2Thes 2:3), that Paul says must come before the day of Christ is near in time, is the departure from the faith that Jesus said would take place prior to His coming. Jesus said, "then shall many be offended" (Matt 24:10). Like those who received the seed into the stony ground (Matt 13:20-21), when they shall experience unprecedented persecution for His "name's sake" they will fall away. He also said that many would be deceived by the false prophets who will show great signs and wonders (Matt 24:11, 24).

The falling away is the notable departure from the faith of many if not most of those who "call themselves Christians." Any apostasy that has been witnessed over the past 2000 years is insignificant as an identifiable sign that Christ's return for us is at hand. The falling away is future. It will take place after the abomination of desolation when the world worships the Beast.

Glory be to Jesus Christ

Do you believe that the reformation was of God or of man ?  

I don't think Angel can procreate,   they were just created. 

never read about a woman angel 

I thought the evil angels lost the bodies and became evil spirits.

Actually I only know of one who seem to still have his body, Satan himself.

2 hours ago, douge said:

John's baptism was for Israel to repent because the kingdom of heaven was at hand, for the remission of sins, and to believe on Jesus.

And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand Matthew 3:2

John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.  Mark 1:4

Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.  Acts 19:4

 

 

 

Next verse they got baptized again and the next verse they got another different one. 

8 hours ago, appy said:

Jesus showed the Sadducees that when God was speaking to Moses at the burning bush that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob having been buried were alive in heaven. Note the “ I am the God of “ he was telling the Sadducees that the three names mentioned were very much alive in heaven. They were already in heaven when God was speaking to Moses.

Matthew 22:31-32 But about the resurrection of the dead—have you not read what God said to you,  ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.”

Hebrews 11:13 (KJV)   The OT worthies died
¹³  These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Including Abraham v8 he was of the faithful

John 3:13 (KJV) ¹³  And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

John 11:25-26 (KJV) ²⁵  Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:²⁶  And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Romans 14:8-9 (KJV)   For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. ⁹  For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

Matthew 8:21-22 (KJV)  interesting saying Jesus said

²¹  And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
²²  But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

God is the God to the living believers, not to those that are alive and dead to him.

spiritual birth liken unto natural birth

Water and the blood

fire to try the heart , endure the soul, purify the heart 

to complete a person in Christ.