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  1. If grace is as you say. Why does he tell Christian to repent. Its a commandment to do that to be forgiven of their sins they committed again. Then why does God chastise and warns saved Christian about bad things the can kill them. Why put on the whole armor of God against the Devil if your not going to lose your salvation anyway. Grace saved us at the beginning when we repented first and decided to live right, future sins are forgiven when we repent so we stay right with God and stay saved. Rev. 2 church of Ephesus ….was told to repent to get back in love with God or he would remove the church from them. That tells me he will cut them off if they didn't repent.
  2. Grace isn't freely given, you have to repent to get it. After that if you sin, then its his mercy that you live. When we sin we may face chastisement because of his love, a grace in its working to complete us in him. The OT Ezek. 18:4 soul that sinneth dies, nothing has changed in NT wages of sin is death Romans 6:23 The way to salvation is better. Grace does not cover you when you sin all the time in thinking I don't have to repent because grace overlooks me sinning, you still have to repent when you sin against God. Hopefully you believe we have to repent when we sin against God. 2 Corinthians 6:1 (KJV) 1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
  3. faith is how you get saved faith causes you to repent repentance is how you get saved obedience is how you stay saved Jesus told the 7 churches in Revelation to repent, this is after they got saved beforehand. Why ? Church of Ephesus was told to repent or he remove the church from them, then they would be lost. Chastening by God causes us to repent to make thing right before him. Heb.12
  4. 1. we were dead in trespasses and sin Eph.2:1 2. Born again = baptism into death Rom 6:3 3. Dead to sin Rom.6:5-11 4. Eternal death Rev.20:14 5. Ungodly die a death of no return - Psa. 1:4-5
  5. We had to repent to get saved We have to repent to stay saved When we don't sin no more, then we won't have to repent no more. We will be completely saved Try something else: When we were a sinner against God we had to repent to be saved After we got saved we sinned again against God, so is it true we must repent again to be stay saved ? or is repenting just a one time deal.
  6. Revelation 2:1-5 (KJV) 1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; 2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: 3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. 4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. Looks like someone or the group was lost, but Jesus gave them a chance to be saved again if they repent. He told the other churches to repent. You have to repent to be saved, its not just a onetime deal, you have to repent every time you sin against God.
  7. no God the Father is one being Jesus the son of the Father is another being. God spirit is holy, so its called the Holy Spirit, this is what we feel from God. Jesus prayed to his god to save him.
  8. So does God test us so he will know more about us, because he doesn't know ? or We get the test to know about ourselves, because we don't really know ourselves ? God tested Abraham to see if he would follow thru . Gen.22 God gave the manna to test them, to see if they would follow the instructions. Exodus 16:4
  9. Our heart is who we are and good and evil come from its treasures box. Its not the flesh that choose to do evil, Jesus said it comes from the heart. So the heart is what goes to heaven not the flesh. Now when is the heart not going to be thinking to sin against God ? Is there a bathtub between here and heaven that is going to erase all those bad thoughts out of our heart ? If we are sinners here are we not sinners there ? I don't think we are two separate beings in one body and God picks out the good side . The very purpose of Jesus coming is so we don't sin anymore, not just to get forgiveness every time we sin. The OT saints, that what they did sin and repent, sin and repent, sin and repent,= they got forgiveness through those sacrifices and gets a resurrection. What was better in the NT ? Just one sacrifice and sin and repent, sin and repent and gets a resurrection. Has anything changed really, from the OT to NT ? If we are sinners all the time then we can never be holy, pure, righteous, overcomer, Christ like , a bride. That's what the scripture says am I right ?
  10. I have heard this. Name a sin that a person cannot overcome. Even with that statement we need the power of Jesus to overcome, even the Devil. So is that even possible ? Forgiveness of sin doesn't change a person from sinning again. Hebrews 12 talks about chastisement from God on his people whom he loves to help them from sinning again. Its a warning from God. So yes God wants us to stop sinning against him. If those minister preaching to says its OK to sin, then you may want to turn your ears somewhere else.
  11. Rev. 8 the Angel cast fire into the earth = is this another calamity before the Angel start to blow the 7 trumpets messages ? Revelation 8:5-6 (KJV) 5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. 6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. What is about to happen before the 7 trumpets ?
  12. Seem like the trumpets given by the Angels are messenger, Rev. 8 says the trumpets were voices. Is it just that the trumpets are just warning of things to come, but they don't come by the trumpets, but by the vials. Seem to be that the trumpets and vials are sort of parallel with each other with the same destruction. If the trumpets are during the first 3 1/2 years then nothing really happens, maybe the time of "come out of her my people" so they will not be part of the destruction. Interesting is in Rev.8 there seem to be a great commotion going on before the trumpets begin to sound. Fire cast into the earth and an earthquake. explain this ?
  13. Thanks speaking Donkey for your input. Well it does seem the Lord will gain control of sea and land where humanity is. He still rules in the kingdom of men. I think the thunders is something to do with the Millennium also.
  14. *[[1Sa 31:12]] KJV* All the valiant men arose, and went all night, and took the body of Saul and the bodies of his sons from the wall of Bethshan, and came to Jabesh, and burnt them there.
  15. 5. Time no longer v.6 ? what is this about ? Any thoughts on this ? What when ? If its somewhere in the 7 years time frame, is there still time to be reckon with ? 3 1/2 years, 1,000 years …….
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