Gandalf

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1021048/Female-Schindler-Irena-Sendler-saved-2-500-Jewish-children-died-aged-98.html

 

I think it's important to take a moment to honor people who have made an impact on the world. Especially, those who've gone unnoticed for as long as She did. I've had many classes about the Holocaust. Not once, did I hear of Irene Sendler. You hear of Schindler and his famous List. But never her.

 

She saved at least 2500 Jewish Children. The Nazis tortured her for this but she still lived. She despises the word heroism because she felt like some how there was more she could have done. And the paragraph at the end is super important if you do not read the article, read this part:

 

"A few months before she died, she said: "After World War II, it seemed that humanity understood something, and nothing like that would happen again. Humanity has understood nothing. Religious, tribal, national wars continue. The world continues to be in a sea of blood."

 

But she added: "The world can be better if there's love, tolerance and humility."

 

I just want to ask you all, as Christians, to check yourselves today. Are you showing love, tolerance, humility?

 

Honestly, how do you treat people who have different opinions than you? A different ethnicity than you? Who don't agree with your set of beliefs? People who may not care about God, or maybe they do but they certainly don't claim to have all the answers? Different religions? Do you judge them? Accuse them of things? Are you hateful and not even aware of it?

 

Are you being like Jesus? I think Jesus would be full of love, tolerance and humility. I don't see a lot of that from Christians in my area, at the churches I've attended, and even sometimes, here.  We can change the world with love. Isn't that what Jesus did? When it all boils down to it, Jesus didn't only change the world because of His love, he changed the world itself; the entire world was made different from His love.

 

I just wonder what kind of changes we are making. Are they going to be positive ones, or negative ones. Are we helping to add to that Sea of Blood, Sendler mentioned?

(in bold) telling questions for all of us.

Seems like an amazing lady.

Unless called to a monastic lifestyle, a Christian should associate with unbelievers, as Jesus did, but his/her life should try to avoid revolving around unbelievers.

Trust those whose lives clearly demonstrate the love of God. Not necessarily those who seem most knowledgeable about the Bible. Living the Bible is more important than putting everyone else right about it!

So why is it relevant?

D9, about three or four years ago I read an article in the newspaper wherein a Muslim woman in California said their goal is to get into our government and change our laws to suit them and their law. This is not hearsay, it is what I read. If I could find that article again I would be glad to post it here.

 

 

joi,

 

From what I understand, we are trying to make this a Christian nation.  It comes down to a race of whose theocracy gets there first.

Maybe we should focus on getting sinners into salvation and building the church?

I was thinking -

 

This isn't how Martin Luther King, Jr. would have dealt with this issue.

 

And I don't just mean Sharpton.

 

What are we doing? How do we promote love amidst such hatred?

 

I think we consider prayer for both parties and do not despise either.

 

Lord have mercy.

Amen to that.

President Obama has three people who are Muslim Brotherhood in his administration advising him.

because he most likely was raised muslim and lied about be a christian to get his job, I have not seen one thing he has done for christian belief ont other habd he has promoted

muslim at every turn

Tell that to the families of Muslim children killed by drones.

 

and the families of the people dead and crippled from 9/11.

I thought that happened under Bush's watch? Not Obama's.

What has happened to the Queen? She is meant to be a defender of the faith.

Her role in "signing" is ceremonial - she has no authority to refuse.

................. To replace one despot with a worse despotic regime would not seem to be a good thing!

But isn't that the West's main policy in the Middle East?

Will you accept the fact the I have heard that claim? I have participated in other forums where that very claim is made, by Atheists.

The problem for me is that many of the atheists on this forum are on those other forums, as well and in the 10 years that I have been here, none of them have ever made that claim.  I would think given the hundreds of atheists that have come and gone, such a claim would have surfaced if your accusation of them were true.

Are you saying I'm lying?

Nn, just that I don't think it is a common or widespread claim given no one on this board makes that claim and no athesist I have discussed the issue with before ever made that claim.

Can you cope with my experience on forums where Atheists post being very different to yours?

Will you accept the fact the I have heard that claim? I have participated in other forums where that very claim is made, by Atheists.

The problem for me is that many of the atheists on this forum are on those other forums, as well and in the 10 years that I have been here, none of them have ever made that claim.  I would think given the hundreds of atheists that have come and gone, such a claim would have surfaced if your accusation of them were true.

Are you saying I'm lying?

President Obama has three people who are Muslim Brotherhood in his administration advising him.

because he most likely was raised muslim and lied about be a christian to get his job, I have not seen one thing he has done for christian belief ont other habd he has promoted

muslim at every turn

Tell that to the families of Muslim children killed by drones.

Hasn't Obama just articulated what millions of black Americans are thinking?

 

 

Yes, but he's the President; he should speak for all of us, not just one part of the population.  His job is to bring together the country and he should not be interjecting himself into what is, essentially, a state issue. 

Do you not think Obama should speak as he sees things? Politicians usually enter that career so that they can!

Will you accept the fact the I have heard that claim? I have participated in other forums where that very claim is made, by Atheists.

Hasn't Obama just articulated what millions of black Americans are thinking?

 

The thing is that he's the president of ALL americans. He made it about race with his statements. That's what this boils down to.

Perhaps he felt it needed saying?

There have been some highly malignant comments about Martin on Worthy; I wonder if they are typical of parts of American society, or whether most people in fact take a more balanced and respectful view of this young man who has been killed?

Hasn't Obama just articulated what millions of black Americans are thinking?

I would say that baptism in the Spirit can happen at conversion, but often does not, but happens some time later; for some people it coincides with water baptism, though again not everyone. There is a theological sense in which we receive "everything" at conversion, but practically receiving and experiencing all that Christ has gained for us is a lifelong journey.

"Evolution requires no God" as a scientific theory, nor does the theory of gravity, nor the theory of relativity. I don't understand the point you are making? No scientific theory requires God.

I am simply repeating what atheistic scientists have told me about Evllution. I am simply stating what is conventionally understood in the scientific comminity (most of whom are atheists).   These atheists are not claiming that they see no need for Evolution to have any kind of intelligent causality.

I am making that claim over against the accusation that atheistic scientists claim that Evolution = atheism, when that is not what they are saying.   Those who are claiming that Gold used evolution are assigning this false value to atheists claiming that they are equivocating Evolution with atheism when they are not.   To claim that they are is dishonest.

 

 

"Science doesn't claim that Evolution = Atheism" - of course not! It is simply not within the scope of science to make any comment whatsoever on the matter. It is Atheists who claim that Evolution = Atheism. It doesn't, though some Christians, foolishly in my view, agree with the Atheists.

No one is making that claim and thus no one is believing a claim no one is making.  This kind of stuff is why honest debate is not possible.  I have to  spend too much time correcting the false claims being made by others who seem unwililing or unable to correctly frame their opposition's claims.

"Evolution requires no God" as a scientific theory, nor does the theory of gravity, nor the theory of relativity. I don't understand the point you are making? No scientific theory requires God.

"Science doesn't claim that Evolution = Atheism" - of course not! It is simply not within the scope of science to make any comment whatsoever on the matter. It is Atheists who claim that Evolution = Atheism. It doesn't, though some Christians, foolishly in my view, agree with the Atheists.

I don't personally subscribe to the theory of Evolution as currently postulated; I believe it has some serious flaws. I think that eventually science will come up with a better theory of the process by which God brought living things into existence on earth, culminating in mankind.

Those who say "fighting the good fight" involves taking up arms are guilty of a serious heresy, which has bedevilled the Church down the centuries.

Piece?

I agree. But many Muslim scholars say the same re. the abominable actions of a tiny minority of Muslims.

Rather more than the other way round!

You can't marry and then remarry 5 months later. One was the marriage in which the marriage covenant was entered into, the other was a celebration, beautiful or not. I'm not saying you were wrong in either thing, but perhaps separating them that way in your mind is causing you your current confusion?

 

I didn't marry and then remarry 5 months later, I married and 5 months later had a wedding ceremony.  I am not confused, just trying to get the opinions of people on the subject.

 

While I assume this might change, I find it telling that so far nobody has had any scripture to support their position.

So what was accomplished at the wedding ceremony? My point is that the marriage happened when you got married, a fact to which you seem to agree. I am not sure what else there is to say about it.

Nothing IMHO.

I believe you are mistaken. The number one strategy of Satan is to ensure that money dominates every aspect of US society.

 

What is your evidence for belief? Or by what basis do you claim this?

 

 

 

He has, of course as part of that strategy, successfully deceived many Americans, including some American Christians, into thinking that accumulating money is a good thing. Jesus was very clear: you cannot serve God and money. Too many people think they can.

 

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What do you make of Sharia law becoming implemented in areas where Muslim populations are dominating?

Seems to work well in the UK with Jewish "law" in certain civic matters, likewise Sikh "law"; could also work in similar civil areas for Sharia. But mainstream law must be pre-eminent in criminal matters and matters of human rights.

 

problem is that is strictly against teachings of Islamic law.    the basic goal of Islam is to make the whole world subject to sharia law thereby subject to Allah...  and to do so by force if necessary

Most Muslims are purely pragmatic about these things. And are perfectly happy to operate Sharia in some civil matters, alongside the over-riding criminal law system. Just as Jews have done for many, many years. It seems to work well in the UK for both Jewish and Muslim communities.

and when there numbers get to the point they can, you will be shocked as to how many of them change.

Muslims have lived in the UK for more than 40 years, the vast majority getting on with quiet and peaceable lives. Why do you feel the need to slur peace-loving people when just a tiny minority from the same religion cause trouble? Christianity has hardly had clean hands over the centuries, but we don't expect to be tarred with the same brush as those who have behaved abominably.

The difference is that when a Christian commits an atrocity he is doing so DESPITE the teachings of Christ. When a Muslim commits an atrocity, he is doing EXACTLY what Mohammed told him to do.

Christians who have acted abominably down the centuries have always justified their actions from the Bible.