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Consider Daniel 12:12 as possibly relating to the rapture... A Mid-Trib rapture that is. For in Daniel 12:!2 God Blesses all those left on Earth and IF my understanding is correct... This is the only time God has provided us with a written Blessing that Blesses both those who curse him (that which God's Word tells us to do) and those who refuse the Beast's Mark and so... really need this Blessing. Those taken in the rapture need not this blessing as they are spared,

Other One item.... Concerning Moses.. I agree with you on that, but for other reasons others do not agree and it is for that reason I included him. Moreover, the Two Witnesses are Gentiles,,, they are humans born of this time. They are proof that Christian Gentiles are grafted unto the vine of the Jews. Their Gentile heritage is the reason the Jews will deny them. They are not of the 7 candlesticks and stand along side the Throne of Jesus - unlike the 7 who have their position together. Please do not consider them as "greater prophets than those of old - for they do not. Do not consider them as even near "perfect" for they know that is not true and can only aspire to live up to some of the righteousness of the prophets of old, knowing full well they only succeed because of the Grace of their Lord - Jesus and their strength is encouraged due to the strength of the previous actions of the ancient prophets, and they know this and accept it completely and thankfully. These two witnesses have an advantage over the prophets of old... and that advantage is the written Word of God concerning these ancient prophets and their righteous acts.

Oh yeah, and those taken - would not experience the first death either, Just like Enoch, Moses, Elijah or any that had not yet experienced the first death. And so, this leads us to the conclusion that most thoughts of all experiencing the first death must take place prior to Armageddon... are in error. Also, no where does it say the 144,000 sealed by God will experience the first death prior to Armageddon and so lets us do the math... Enoch, Elijah, Moses maybe all 3 or just one.... 1-3 144,000 sealed by God 144,000 A multitude no man can number (could be 187?) ??? So... unless this first death can take place AFTER Armageddon... there is certainly errors in this thought.

It was NOT a worry, but rather point that to some ASPECT the Holy Spirit will remain.

Evolutionists like Steve Hawkins attempt to use time like it is more powerful than God... Like God did not create time. Without time everything is present, everything is more than within reach it is more than touch, it is FEEL. Anyone realizing God created Time can easily understand that God created time... when (a time reference - ha ha ) he wanted to, so take that problem out of the equation and evolutionists do not have a seconds worth of validity. I stand in agreement with your above statement, Jacob.

One should REALLY consider Daniel 12:12 - For if I am correct in my understanding... IT IS the only time (-- at least the only written time I know of ) written where God gives a "blanket" BLESSING to the entire World. MY understanding is this... God's Word tells us to Bless those that curse him... God would not Bless those that need no Blessing ( Because they were to be taken in the "rapture" and are taken just before the fulfillment of Daniel 12:12 ) - and so this Blessing comes JUST AFTER the rapture. Next, The Believers left behind to assist the fence walkers and the fence walkers would NEED a blessing. And those that curse God would be Blessed --- because it is when God Blesses those that curse him - just like he tells us to do. So... Although this does not give us the day nor the hour - it does gives us a localized time clue. And this gives better insight to a mid-term rapture. Rollinthunder wrote: " Talking with some believers, it seems to me that they want to go through the Tribulation as a means to somehow prove themselves worthy to God. " To this I would ask... Who are left behind but the strong to help the fence walkers and even non-believers that understand the Mark of the Beast is about to be put upon them and really wish guidance for better understanding? And who should rule over those raptured other than those who went through the dire parts of Tribulation than those who put their heads on the line For their Testimony and well-being FOR God? Jesus said those caught up in the air will remain with him... SO... Since Jesus will come back to the earth and these people will remain with him... then they too ( those raptured - spared the perils of the Great Tribulation) will come back to the earth...with him. This means it is then... during that 1,000 year reign that these people taste the first death - just like prophecy tells of. How do I do a "signature" here?

How is it possible the 144,000 could remain protected if the Holy Spirit is not here to protect them?

Seems to me.... John S is presenting the question of Faith... for who would not wish to allow their possessions to go into the hands of a strong believer left behind to assist fence walkers, or to fence walkers that their desire to get off the fence to become Christians could be given a better fighting chance. For if one has faith, they would certainly desire to help all those left behind. Faith without works is dead, so consider that anyone truly believing they will go in the rapture certainly would not want their possessions to fall into the hands of those who will accept the Beast's Mark. Would not anything you left behind that those who take the Beast's Mark get... also benefit them? So let those left behind and had not taken the Mark of Beast, benefit them through the coming peril they will suffer.

Guest_shadow2b_* wrote: " YES, JESUS was the FIRST to be raised from the dead- " Here all along I thought Lazarus was raised from the dead by Jesus BEFORE Jesus was even crucified... And even he was not the first.

During the 1000 year reign of Jesus "could be" the time that Enoch and Elijah could die the first death of which they were spared. Remember, God does not give out a reward just to take it back. If one is to consider the multitude no man can count as being those that were taken in the rapture then these are to meet Jesus in the air - When Jesus comes to rule... these people come with him also - meaning they are still with Jesus, but no longer in the air.

How Will The World Explain The Rapture? - Article Would not Satan claim the Rapture as his doings, if there is any opening for that as a possibility? How will the Beast or Satan explain this rapture lest it is claimed in some manner that will with-stand scrutiny?