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Matthew 16: 27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
I think, verse 27 refers to His second coming, and v.28 refers to the event that happened on the day of Pentecost.
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2 hours ago, Couppy said:
Thank you.
You are welcome
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20 hours ago, Couppy said:
I have been brain storming trying to remember a verse or scripture where Jesus called Peter and the other ll disciples, including Judas Iscariot, apostles. Please can you direct me to it?
Luke 6:13 And when day came, He called His disciples to Him and chose twelve of them, whom He also named as apostles:
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On 9/13/2017 at 9:31 AM, Yowm said:
Apostle means sent one, you don't think God sent Paul?
And I said, 'Who are you, Lord?' And the Lord said, 'I am Jesus whom you are persecuting. But rise and stand upon your feet, for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to appoint you as a servant and witness to the things in which you have seen me and to those in which I will appear to you, delivering you from your people and from the Gentiles—to whom I am sending you to open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.'
(Act 26:15-18)
Secular definition has nothing to do with spiritual significance.
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29 minutes ago, Couppy said:
The gift of salvation is for the individual and we can choose to use it to edify others. A gift that edifies oneself develops the person spiritual and can be used for others.
Paul even said it "Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord." Paul is confident about his calling in the Lord.
If you are called to the ministry you must be confident and convinced that God called you. If you are not you are doomed even before you start. Some people will doubt that you were called regardless of what you do and how you do it. Someone, somewhere, will tell people you are not of God. You either believe them or are confident about your calling.
I will not go so far as to proclaim I know that God, Jesus never claimed Paul as an apostle. I do not know God's mind to that extend. It may not be written in the scriptures but that does not mean God did not call Paul as an apostle.
In addition, Jesus ascended to heaven and "he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ. Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:..." Ephesians 4:11-14 NJKV
Jesus gave some apostles. I believe God called some Christians to be apostles regardless of whether they are accepted or not. He called some to be prophets as well. God did not only give us evangelists, pastors and teachers. I am glad the 5 offices are listed in the same verse 11. Either we believe the verse exist or we don't.
Yes, gift of salvation is for individual. So also spiritual gifts. It follows that another agent is not involved (interpretation for gibberish talk). Gibberish talk from person's spirit only needs a guess work by another person's spirit!
Please don't quote Paul to defend him. You need to have at least two sources to substantiate that. Self-claims are of no value. Paul was crafty to push his agenda, so he needed status of apostleship badly.
Please read Luke chapter 14 to understand the requirement for discipleship with the Lord. Jesus never called Paul an apostle for the simple reason that there cannot be more than 12 apostles to judge the twelve tribes. Did Paul have his own tribe? I believe he was celibate. Ephesians 4:11 contradicts Jesus' words. Do you believe Jesus or Paul? Paul will not give salvation for you.
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6 hours ago, Couppy said:
"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning." James 1:17 NKJV. Praying in tongues is the same as the speaking in tongues (gifts of tongues) in the Church. The only difference is that the first edifies oneself, the other can be used to edify others.
For the first, if you have the gift of interpretation you may be able to pray in the spirit and pray in understanding (hence interpreting the tongues). For the second, you can speak in tongues in a Church and also give the interpretation if you have the gift of interpretation, if not someone else will interpret.
One thing you lack is the knowledge that God called Paul as an apostle so you feel it is self-claim. I am assuming you believe that all pastors that you do not know when or how God called them into the ministry are self-claim.
If you are an intercessor with this burden weighing heavily on your heart and you are wordless in prayer what do you do?
Paul defines spiritual gift as one that is for common good. So praying for your personal edification doesn't come under this. You have a wild imagination to back up what is not plainly indicated by Paul. God, Jesus and chosen apostles never claimed Paul as an apostle. Becoming pastors for the sake of living is not the call of Jesus. God can understand your wordless prayer too.
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1 hour ago, Yowm said:
God's Word contradicts you, do you care to continue to call God a liar?..
But Ananias answered, "Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much evil he has done to your saints at Jerusalem. And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on your name." But the Lord said to him, "Go, for he is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel. For I will show him how much he must suffer for the sake of my name."
(Act 9:13-16)
Neither God nor Jesus can be liar. Jesus called him a 'chosen instrument', not an apostle because there cannot be more than 12 apostles. Unfortunately, rank outsider and ministry-absentee, Paul made many claims against the sublime truth of Jesus' words. Nevertheless, I consider Paul to be a saint and disciple of Jesus, but never an apostle. If follows, I reject Paul's speculations if they contradict Jesus' words
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19 hours ago, Couppy said:
When Christians pray they edify themselves spiritually. This can only be done by the Holy Spirit that dwells in us. Without Christ we can do nothing. It is possible that the dramatic way the Holy Ghost first fell on men in the Upper Room on Pentecost day may never happen again through history, but that does not mean that Christians are still not receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost with some of them speaking in tongues (other languages).
To say that Paul was not an apostle, leaves me speechless.
My post mentioned Holy Spirit interceding with wordless groans (I did not say animal sounds and behaviour). Have you ever had a burden on your heart to pray and yet you failed to find the appropriate words to interpret the burden into prayers? Well, it happens.
Couppy
I am against the claim of the involvement of the Holy Spirit in gibberish talk. Paul never said that it is a spiritual gift. Diverse tongues and its interpretations are spiritual gifts. Neither Jesus nor chosen apostles accepted Paul as an apostle. It was his self-claim, like, so many others. One can be wordless in prayer
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19 hours ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:
So what are we to think then, that the Bible is wrong, the other apostles were also wrong, but we should trust your spiritual discernment on these matters instead? Sorry. I think I will stick with the Bible there.
However, I do think it is true that some things, people due, they do for building themselves up, not building others up. I do not think it follows though, that we need to cease building ourselves up, for example, I will continue to eat, but, I will not neglect the fact, that others need food also.
Canon is man-made. That is why we have different versions. Both chosen apostles as well Paul did many wrong things as they grew spiritually. They did not mature instantaneously. Chosen apostles never accepted Paul as an apostle, neither did Jesus. Self-claims have no value
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10 hours ago, Couppy said:
Knowingtruth,
I believe that there is the gift of praying in tongues for edification, which also is a gift of the Spirit. The Corinth Church spoke in tongues after the Holy Ghost fell upon them. There is nothing strange that God poured his Spirit upon men and the Spirit of God used their tongues to praise God. How can that be strange?
Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 14:13-15 wrote
"For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding." It is a gift!
He acknowledges that we can pray in an unknown tongue. Our spirit prays but our understanding is unfruitful.
He also acknowledges that "the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans.". Romans 8:26-27.
I also believe in the gifts of speaking in tongues to edify the Church where there is an interpreter.
Couppy.
Spiritual gift is for common good. Personal edification is like 'selfie'--unconnected with the Holy Spirit. There is no record of the Holy Spirit falling on Corinth church as it happened on Pentecost. Paul was not an apostle; it was his self-claim, like, many. 1 Corin. 14 speaks of involvement of persons's spirits unrelated to the Holy Spirit. Note the word 'spirit', not 'Spirit'! The Holy Spirit may intercede, but not with animal sounds and behavior. Interpreter's position was an invention of crafty Paul to eliminate the nuisance there. This was not found when Paul was there for one and a half years.
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On 8/27/2017 at 8:06 PM, George said:
Shalom everyone,
We've created a new forum to discuss the gifts of the Spirit so these types of discussions can be categorized properly and not buried within the forums.
As with any discussion, please remember that we're seeking to grow together in love. If you can't discuss something in love, learn to walk away from the conversation.
Your brother in the Lord with much agape love,
George
The most controversial gift of the Spirit is speaking in tongues. Only diverse tongues and their interpretation is the gift of the Spirit, not the unknown tongue speaking observed in Corinth church.
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2 hours ago, Reinitin said:
Being right is not quite as impotant as being found in Christ.
So you end up wrong after finding Christ?
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Matthew 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Many people seem to think negatively on the above verses. They simply stay put unbothered about the problems of the eyes. The positive approach would be to make it a point to take out the beam from our eyes so that one can go forward to remove the mote from another’s eye. Both are a requirement for a spirit filled life.
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On 6/25/2017 at 7:35 AM, Fidei Defensor said:
Amen Kiwi, Jesus is God:
"while we wait for the blessed hope--the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ," (Titus 2:13)
"For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body." (Colossians 2:9)
"Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation." (Colossians 1:15)
"Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made." (John 1:3)
"For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him." (Colossians 1:16)
" After his baptism, as Jesus came up out of the water, the heavens were opened[b] and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and settling on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my dearly loved Son, who brings me great joy.” (Matthew 3:16-17).
"I have given them the glory you gave me, so they may be one as we are one. 23 I am in them and you are in me. May they experience such perfect unity that the world will know that you sent me and that you love them as much as you love me." (John 17:22-23)
"“Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (which means, God with us)." (Matthew 1:23)
"And she will have a son, and you are to name him Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins." (Matthew 1:21). Only God can forgive sins.
"If you openly declare that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by openly declaring your faith that you are saved." (Romans 10:9-10). Lord means LORD (Jehovah, God of Israel). Thanks to King James and the need to not repeat God's name over and over, they substituted Jehovah with Lord in the Bible, so really Romans reads, "If you confess Jesus is God of Israel," that very different than just saying "Jesus is Lord," for some might think lord is like an authority or ruler.
Jesus is most certainly God, just as the Father and Holy Spirit is God:
"Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. 3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.
5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,
“You are my Son,
today I have begotten you”?Or again,
“I will be to him a father,
and he shall be to me a son”?6 And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God's angels worship him.”
7 Of the angels he says,
“He makes his angels winds,
and his ministers a flame of fire.”8 But of the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has anointed you
with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”10 And,
“You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning,
and the heavens are the work of your hands;
11 they will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment,
12 like a robe you will roll them up,
like a garment they will be changed.[a]
But you are the same,
and your years will have no end.”13 And to which of the angels has he ever said,
“Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet”?14 Are they not all ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation?" (Hebrews 1:1-14).
The correct punctuation for this: "while we wait for the blessed hope--the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ," (Titus 2:13) is: "while........the glory of our God, and Savior Jesus Christ." Similarly all the other verses can be refuted. We have one One God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
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Jesus never gave importance to performing miracles. We believe Him for eternal life, not because we were cured. Therefore, keeping His commandments are a must, not any outward signs.
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19 hours ago, kwikphilly said:
Knowing Jesus & knowing something ABOUT Jesus is 2 entirely different things,no one is better off,,,,,they are equally in bad shape,that is like saying someone is almost pregnant ,you are you you are not.......you either KNOW Jesus is your Lord & SAVIOR or you do...Saved or lost,neither are "better off"
With love-in Christ,Kwik
That is definitely different from total rejection.
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7 hours ago, other one said:
I am assuming you meant for Our home for I have never had servants or a maid.
My question remains.....
Yes, you are right. Our life is a message to them as they compare with theirs.
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7 hours ago, other one said:
Have you read the Koran in Chronological order, Sharia Law and Bukhari's hadith? those are the things that drive a Muslim's life...
I have read Koran.
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9 hours ago, other one said:
Have you ever tried to explain who Jesus is to a Muslim?
To a very limited extent directly. Indirectly plenty. I have been involved in social work benefitting them. My chauffeurs and maid servants for your home have been Muslims. They see our lives different from others.
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13 hours ago, other one said:
I would have to disagree with you in saying they are better off. Different, Yes, but better off I would say no.... and yes, whatever we do need to share the gospel with them..... and it's happening and they are accepting..... but Jews are doing the same thing.
Muslims are better off in the sense of knowing Jesus compared to total rejection by Jews. Total acceptance is a different story.
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1 hour ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:
Congratulations. You've now become my 13th person on Ignore.
Thanks. It is obvious that the truth becomes a cry in the wilderness. People prefer compromise and comfortable concepts.
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8 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. [KJV, Ephesians 2:8-9]
This is what the Bible says for your information.
Who is your reference? James or a rank outsider with self-claims?
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1 hour ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:
The Good Samaritan was not saved because of his works. Let's all be clear on that.
That is your presumption. Faith without works is dead for your information.
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6 hours ago, TheMatrixHasU71 said:
I know your post is about 3 months old but though you can overemphasise the death of Christ (as Catholics do who continually put Jesus on a crucifix as though we are supposed to see Him as still DEAD) we have to remember His only mission was to give His life for us, the path of salvation being through the shed blood of Jesus Christ the fulfillment of the Passover Lamb.
YES He is Risen and you cant deemphasize that in any way but you cant cover up or underemphasize His death either like many pagans or even among those cultists who dare call themselves Christians, do.
You have the Muslims who deny the death of Jesus altogether, believing that a lookalike was substituted on the Cross.
You have the Charismatics who believe that our sins were not paid for on the cross but with Jesus (supposedly) going to hell.
You have Mormons, some Charismatics and Christians and Seventh Day Adventists and Catholics who believe that Jesus' death ALONE doesn't pay for our sins but we need good works to save ourselves too.
Death and resurrection are part and parcel of Christ's mission. We don't have to proclaim His death as Paul indicated. We need to be witnesses for His resurrection and life. Yes, good works are must to reflect Christ in us, like, Good Samaritan.
Being right is not quite as impotant as being found in Christ.
Kingdom has come, not the Christ
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Yes, this is one such understanding of v.28