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She is not too close to her family and no she hasn't been diagnosed with anything because she has never seen a doctor about it. But I being her boyfriend am the closest non family person to her and see things that nobody else sees. I would bet my life that she has at the very least the most mild version of BPD.

How are you doing Traveller? Been almost a year. Time flies huh? She was unsure of her faith in God as well. But as of the last few months has been becoming more religious and starting to turn toward God. I want to help her with her faith issues and bring her to God as well. There are many reasons for me doing what I am. My suffering here seems small in comparison to her suffering after death. If no one helps her now, there is no telling how long anyone will live. She may never be saved.

Suffering from depression would simply make me a hypocrite if I judged her and abandoned her though wouldn't it? She has never had anyone stick by her she has pushed everyone in her life away and besides me she is basically alone. I do love her which is why I am suffering so much over this whole thing. Would God want me to abandon her? I know she is not good for me, but I need to keep pushing her to get treatment. I don't want to see her destroy her life. She cannot see these things now, they will only affect her in the future when it becomes too late. Today was just a bad day, we had a big fight yesterday, I really care about her well being though and knowing that this disorder makes her act out and push people away I just think about how when I suffered really badly from depression how I would not want to be blamed for it or have people abandon me for it.

Thanks guys. A topic about telling someone they are going to hell gets 11 responses and my topic gets 0. Now I remember why I left this forum.

I don't know if anyone remembers me, it's been almost a year since I have posted anything. But I have a pretty big problem I would like some advice on, though it may be pointless at this point. I've been in a relationship with a girl since Feb. (We have seen eachother in person many times, this is a long distance relationship but the distance is only about an hour between Providence and Boston) She has suggested before and now I am convinced she has Borderline Personality Disorder. Our relationship is most likely over because last night she started a huge fight with me over nothing and I called her a psycho and crazy because I had so much built up anger from taking her abusive words all the time. She was happy yesterday when she came online. It was 1 am and I was tired and was about to go to sleep when she messaged me. When she asked me how I was doing I said fine and then like 20 seconds later she accused me of being mad at her simply because she was happy, then she told me that I don't like to see her happy. Well after is totally disputed that, I told her I was leaving that I didn't want to fight. I put up an away message and then she said a bunch of things to instigate me to come back and fight with her. She said stuff like FU and don't come visit me anymore and alot of other mean stuff. That is when I came back online and I called her crazy and told her to get help. I have been trying unsuccessfully for the past 3 months to get her to see a doctor about this. The biggest problem I have though is that this kind of disorder is only visible to people based on how close they are to the person. So I see it more than anyone being her boyfriend. Her regular friends don't see it because she doesn't show anything to them, so it looks like it's me and not her. But anyone who could see how she acts the way I do would know there is something very wrong. We are probably broken up for good, I told her I cannot see her or talk to her anymore until she sees a doctor. For anyone who remembers me before, I suffered from depression. I am doing better now, but I cannot take on her problems and my own. She is unwilling to get medical help, but burdens me simply by being with me and having this problem because she always makes fights and makes the relationship totally unstable. One night she is crying to me about how many problems she has and how she loves me and stuff the next night she says I don't care and that she doesn't need me at all. I have no idea what to do, I am on the verge of giving up completely. This is what psychologists have said about this disorder. What you read here is how she acts. Can anyone give me advice please, I am desperate Relationships Beck (1990, p. 183) notes that individuals with BPD hold extreme, poorly integrated, and unrealistic expectations of interpersonal relationships. They fluctuate between idealization and devaluation of others (Akhtar, 1995, p. 7). The initial position in BPD relationships is that of friendly dependency on a nurturer (which they believe is desired by those upon whom they depend). This becomes hostile control when, inevitably, the caregiver fails to deliver everything individuals with BPD want (Benjamin, 1993, p. 122). The completely good, nurturing caregiver, with the most minor mistake, becomes the object of BPD hate and contempt (Oldham, 1990, pp. 301-303). Millon (Millon & Davis, 1996, pp. 662-663) describes this quality of BPD behavior within relationships as paradoxical. Even though these individuals need attention and affection, they frequently act in unpredictably contrary, manipulative, and volatile ways that elicit the very rejection they fear. Oldham (1990, pp. 301-303) notes that individuals with BPD destroy the relationships they cannot live without. Benjamin (1993, p. 113) describes this quality as individuals with BPD loving without measure the people they will soon come to hate. This interpersonal destructiveness in BPD comes from the unstable self-esteem, internal emptiness, and deficient capacity for autonomy within these individuals. Their dread of abandonment leaves them constantly on edge and vulnerable to anxiety, conflict, and anger. When the explosiveness of their dread and rage is expressed within their relationships, they exhaust or exasperate significant others and the feared abandonment becomes a reality. Stone notes that management of interpersonal hostility is the decisive variable in determining how individuals with BPD do in midlife and beyond. Those whose anger and querulousness continue to smoulder on into middle age eventually find themselves isolated from others. Serious depression, resumption of drug abuse, and suicide are all possible results of having destroyed important relationships through anger (Stone, 1993, p. 226). Individuals with BPD also vacillate within relationships between the extremes of distance and closeness (Akhtar, 1995, p. 7). Millon describes the BPD seeking of closeness with caring others as precipitating two contrasting and distressful consequences; these individuals will fear both engulfment and abandonment (Millon & Davis, 1996, p. 664).

I dropped out of high school in 11th grade.

"Winter's cold had gone away, spring's flowers had begun to grow. Perilous times they were in, 200 years ago. All would say 'good morning,' but not all would say 'good night.' Some would tuck their children in, some would not survive the fight. The pains of birth are quite severe, born of righteousness and not of sin, freedom's call would soon be answered by a few Militia Men. Fathers and sons one and all, they would walk into the lions' den, a tyrant king would be dethroned by these Militia Men. From cities, towns and the countryside, from many a now-historic place, Militia Men fought and paid the price, their dreams written in their face. By twilight's last gleaming they stood, and again by dawn's early light. Redcoats fell. The king, defeated--by God, and the Militia Men's might. Once they were praised, once they were toasted. But that was over 200 years ago. Today, the Militia Men are a threat--our new king has told us so. "Begone with your pride and away with your honor! Who cares about what has been? Down with the old! It's a new world order--there's no place for you Militia Men. Give up your guns, you have no right. Just who do you think you are? Your God is dead and so is your dream--now worship my five-pointed star." Stand firm, stand strong, Militia Men. America has much need of you today. Be vigilant now, as never before. Evil is trying to steal our country away. Perhaps tomorrow, or in a thousand years you will receive the rewards you are due. Our flag will fly, our spirit will soar, and it will happen because of you. History will record many of your names, stories will tell of where you've been. 'God save the Republic!' will be the citizens' cry, 'and God bless the Militia Men!'" From the Michigan Militia's recorded message on "Current Events," 4/23/95

I don't know tiger. Take it up with the network people. There is alot worse out there than that...but hey everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. I don't really care either way I'm not for or against it.

I didn't mean children. I think anyone 13 and older should be able to watch the show. It's quite hypocritcal of anyone here to critisize me for stating my opinion if you let your children watch anything with violence in it, or anything sexual or with bad language.

It's a game. The cards are nothing but cool looking artwork and numbers used to identify the strength of each card. There is nothing demonic about it it's a simple game. There are no rituals in the game you don't do rituals you don't play with magic all it is are a bunch of dumb cards that create a game no different than a deck of cards except their are names and artwork on each card.

I actually collect these cards lol( But I am a card collector anyways so I collect other cards too).

It's just that there is a common thread running through many posts where people complain about speech being limited in some areas but then follow the same limiting tactic in order to silence dissent, especially when it comes to Israel and the Jews. As soon as you point out Israel's unrighteous sins, people jump all over you, call you names and attach all kinds of labels. They are in effect doing the very thing they complain about.If you are going to have free speech in society, it has to be for all, not just a select religion or race, or nationality, etc. If you aren't willing to allow free speech in the case of Jews or criticism of America, then you have set the stage for the limiting your own ability to say what you want about others too. All you ever do is attack Jews and Americans. No one takes yu seriously. You can say whatever you want the mear fact that you have never ever once been objective has destroyed your credability completely. So you just go on and keep giving us your crappy little speeches on why you should be allowed to hate the Jews and we will all keep on rolling are eyes at your dumb posts. The funny thing is tat you seem to have lots of speeches for us as Americans on free speech yet in your country what you are saying about the Jews is "hate speech" and you should be jailed for it.

It's almost funny to hear you speak of someone else going to the lake of fire Levi especially when it's the leader of Israel. If I were you I'd try to take an AC with me when I die.

Good post star.

I say it's a great idea.

With a Republican Senate and House now, many many good judges will be put on the bench. Consrvative right-wing Christian judges and there isn't a thing the democrats can do about it. No more battles over gay marriage, groundwork for banning abortion will be laid, gun rights strengthened, and no more ACLU lawsuits banning the 10 commandments. What has happened in office HAS NEVER HAPPENED IN AMERICA. This was truly and act of God. For everyone who has prayed to God to help save America, this is your prayer answered.

When we're attacked, or we're in imminent danger of being attacked.

"There is no such thing as a Palestinian Arab nation . . . Palestine is a name the Romans gave to Eretz Yisrael with the express purpose of infuriating the Jews . . . . Why should we use the spiteful name meant to humiliate us? "The British chose to call the land they mandated Palestine, and the Arabs picked it up as their nation's supposed ancient name, though they couldn't even pronounce it correctly and turned it into Falastin a fictional entity." -- Golda Meir quoted by Sarah Honig Palestine has never existed . . . as an autonomous entity. There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today . . . No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough. -- from "Myths of the Middle East", Joseph Farah, Arab-American editor and journalist From the end of the Jewish state in antiquity to the beginning of British rule, the area now designated by the name Palestine was not a country and had no frontiers, only administrative boundaries.. -- Professor Bernard Lewis, Commentary Magazine, January 1975 WHAT DOES "PALESTINE" MEAN? It has never been the name of a nation or state. It is a geographical term, used to designate the region at those times in history when there is no nation or state there. The word itself derives from "Peleshet", a name that appears frequently in the Bible and has come into English as "Philistine". The Philistines were mediterranean people originating from Asia Minor and Greek localities. They reached the southern coast of Israel in several waves. One group arrived in the pre-patriarchal period and settled south of Beersheba in Gerar where they came into conflict with Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael. Another group, coming from Crete after being repulsed from an attempted invasion of Egypt by Rameses III in 1194 BCE, seized the southern coastal area, where they founded five settlements (Gaza, Ascalon, Ashdod, Ekron and Gat). In the Persian and Greek periods, foreign settlers - chiefly from the Mediterranean islands - overran the Philistine districts. From the time of Herodotus, Greeks called the eastern coast of the Mediterranean "Syria Palaestina". The Philistines were not Arabs nor even Semites, they were most closely related to the Greeks. They did not speak Arabic. They had no connection, ethnic, linguistic or historical with Arabia or Arabs. The name "Falastin" that Arabs today use for "Palestine" is not an Arabic name. It is the Arab pronunciation of the Greco-Roman "Palastina"; which is derived from the Peleshet, (root Pelesh) which was a general term meaning "dividers", "penetrators" or "invaders". This referred to the Philistine's invasion and conquest of the coast from the sea. The use of the term "Palestinian" for an Arab ethnic group is a modern political creation which has no basis in fact - and had never had any international or academic credibility before 1967. HOW DID THE LAND OF ISRAEL BECOME "PALESTINE"? In the First Century CE, the Romans crushed the independent kingdom of Judea. After the failed rebellion of Bar Kokhba in the Second Century CE, the Roman Emperor Hadrian determined to wipe out the identity of Israel-Judah-Judea. Therefore, he took the name Palastina and imposed it on all the Land of Israel. At the same time, he changed the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina. The Romans killed many Jews and sold many more in slavery. Some of those who survived still alive and free left the devastated country, but there was never a complete abandonment of the Land. There was never a time when there were not Jews and Jewish communities, though the size and conditions of those communities fluctuated greatly. THE HISTORY OF PALESTINE Thousands of years before the Romans invented "Palastina" the land had been known as "Canaan". The Canaanites had many tiny city-states, each one at times independent and at times a vassal of an Egyptian or Hittite king. The Canaanites never united into a state. After the Exodus from Egypt probably in the Thirteenth Century BCE but perhaps earlier -- , the Children of Israel settled in the land of Canaan. There they formed first a tribal confederation, and then the biblical kingdoms of Israel and Judah, and the post-biblical kingdom of Judea. From the beginning of history to this day, Israel-Judah-Judea has the only united, independent, sovereign nation-state that ever existed in "Palestine" west of the Jordan River. (In biblical times, Ammon, Moab and Edom as well as Israel had land east of the Jordan, but they disappeared in antiquity and no other nation took their place until the British invented Trans-Jordan in the 1920s.) After the Roman conquest of Judea, "Palastina" became a province of the pagan Roman Empire and then of the Christian Byzantine Empire, and very briefly of the Zoroastrian Persian Empire. In 638 CE, an Arab-Muslim Caliph took Palastina away from the Byzantine Empire and made it part of an Arab-Muslim Empire. The Arabs, who had no name of their own for this region, adopted the Greco-Roman name Palastina, that they pronounced "Falastin". In that period, much of the mixed population of Palastina was forced to convert to Islam and adopted the Arabic language. They were subjects of a distant Caliph who ruled them from his capital, that was first in Damascus and later in Baghdad. They did not become a nation or an independent state, or develop a distinct society or culture. In 1099, Christian Crusaders from Europe conquered Palestina-Falastin. After 1099, it was never again under Arab rule. The Christian Crusader kingdom was politically independent, but never developed a national identity. It remained a military outpost of Christian Europe, and lasted less than 100 years. Thereafter, Palestine was joined to Syria as a subject province first of the Mameluks, ethnically mixed slave-warriors whose center was in Egypt, and then of the Ottoman Turks, whose capital was in Istanbul. During the First World War, the British took Palestine from the Ottoman Turks. At the end of the war, the Ottoman Empire collapsed and among its subject provinces "Palestine" was assigned to the British, to govern temporarily as a mandate from the League of Nations. THE JEWISH NATIONAL HOME Travelers to Palestine from the Western world left records of what they saw there. The theme throughout their reports is dismal: The land was empty, neglected, abandoned, desolate, fallen into ruins. Nothing there [Jerusalem] to be seen but a little of the old walls which is yet remaining and all the rest is grass, moss and weeds -- English pilgrim in 1590 The country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is of a body of population" -- British consul in 1857 There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent [valley of Jezreel] -- not for 30 miles in either direction. . . . One may ride ten miles hereabouts and not see ten human beings. For the sort of solitude to make one dreary, come to Galilee . . . Nazareth is forlorn . . . Jericho lies a moldering ruin . . . Bethlehem and Bethany, in their poverty and humiliation... untenanted by any living creature . . . A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds . . a silent, mournful expanse . . . a desolation . . . . We never saw a human being on the whole route . . . . Hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the olive tree and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil had almost deserted the country . . . . Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes . . . desolate and unlovely . . . -- Mark Twain, The Innocents Abroad, 1867 The restoration of the "desolate and unlovely" land began in the latter half of the Nineteenth Century with the first Jewish pioneers. Their labors created newer and better conditions and opportunities, which in turn attracted migrants from many parts of the Middle East, both Arabs and others. The Balfour Declaration of 1917, confirmed by the League of Nations Mandate, commited the British Government to the principle that "His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a Jewish National Home, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object. . . . " It was specified both that this area be open to "close Jewish settlement" and that the rights of all inhabitants already in the country be preserved and protected. Mandate Palestine originally included all of what is now Jordan, as well as all of what is now Israel, and the territories between them. However, when Great Britain's prot?g? Emir Abdullah was forced to leave the ancestral Hashemite domain in Arabia, the British created a realm for him that included all of Manfate Palestine east of the Jordan River. There was no traditional or historic Arab name for this land, so it was called after the river: first Trans-Jordan and later Jordan. By this political act, that violated the conditions of the Balfour Declaration and the Mandate, the British cut more than 75 percent out of the Jewish National Home. No Jew has ever been permitted to reside in Trans-Jordan/Jordan. Less than 25 percent then remained of Mandate Palestine, and even in this remnant, the British violated the Balfour and Mandate requirements for a "Jewish National Home" and for "close Jewish settlement". They progressively restricted where Jews could buy land, where they could live, build, farm or work. After the Six-Day War in 1967, Israel was finally able to settle some small part of those lands from which the Jews had been debarred by the British. Successive British governments regularly condemn their settlement as "illegal". In truth, it was the British who had acted illegally in banning Jews from these parts of the Jewish National Home. WHO IS A PALESTINIAN? During the period of the Mandate, it was the Jewish population that was known as "Palestinians" including those who served in the British Army in World War II. British policy was to curtail their numbers and progressively limit Jewish immigration. By 1939, the White Paper virtually put an end to admission of Jews to Palestine. This policy was imposed the most stringently at the very time this Home was most desperately needed -- after the rise of Nazi power in Europe. Jews who might have developed the empty lands of Palestine and left progeny there, instead died in the gas chambers of Europe or in the seas they were trying to cross to the Promised Land. At the same time that the British slammed the gates on Jews, they permitted or ignored massive illegal immigration into Western Palestine from Arab countries Jordan, Syria, Egypt, North Africa. In 1939, Winston Churchill noted that "So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied . . . ." Exact population statistics may be problematic, but it seems that by 1947 the number of Arabs west of the Jordan River was approximately triple of what it had been in 1900. The current myth is that these Arabs were long established in Palestine, until the Jews came and "displaced" them. The fact is, that recent Arab immigration into Palestine "displaced" the Jews. That the massive increase in Arab population was very recent is attested by the ruling of the United Nations: That any Arab who had lived in Palestine for two years and then left in 1948 qualifies as a "Palestinian refugees". Casual use of population statistics for Jews and Arabs in Palestine rarely consider how the proportions came to be. One factor was the British policy of keeping out Jews while bringing in Arabs. Another factor was the violence used to kill or drive out Jews even where they had been long established. For one example: The Jewish connection with Hebron goes back to Abraham, and there has been an Israelite/Jewish community there since Joshua long before it was King David's first capital. In 1929, Arab rioters with the passive consent of the British -- killed or drove out virtually the entire Jewish community. For another example: In 1948, Trans-Jordan seized much of Judea and Samaria (which they called The West Bank) and East Jerusalem and the Old City. They killed or drove out every Jew. It is now often proposed as a principle of international law and morality that all places that the British and the Arabs rendered Judenrein must forever remain so. In contrast, Israel eventually allotted 17 percent of Mandate Palestine has a large and growing population of Arab citizens. FROM PALESTINE TO ISRAEL What was to become of "Palestine" after the Mandate? This question was taken up by various British and international commissions and other bodies, culminating with the United Nations in 1947. During the various deliberations, Arab officials, spokesmen and writers expressed their views on "Palestine". "There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. . . . Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it." -- Local Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937 "There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not" -- Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian to Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, 1946 "It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria." -- Delegate of Saudi Arabia to the United Nations Security Council, 1956, By 1948, the Arabs had still not yet discovered their ancient nation of Falastin. When they were offered half of Palestine west of the Jordan River for a state, the offer was violently rejected. Six Arab states launched a war of annihilation against the nascent State of Israel. Their purpose was not to establish an independent Falastin. Their aim was to partition western Palestine amongst themselves. They did not succeed in killing Israel, but Trans-Jordan succeeded in taking Judea and Samaria (West Bank) and East Jerusalem, killing or driving out all the Jews who had lived in those places, and banning Jews of all nations from Jewish holy places. Egypt succeeded in taking the Gaza Strip. These two Arab states held these lands until 1967. Then they launched another war of annihilation against Israel, and in consequence lost the lands they had taken by war in 1948. During those 19 years, 1948-1967, Jordan and Egypt never offered to surrendar those lands to make up an independent state of Falastin. The "Palestinians" never sought it. Nobody in the world ever suggested it, much less demanded it. Finally, in 1964, the Palestine Liberation Movement was founded, with a charter that proclaimed its sole purpose to be the destruction of Israel. To that end it helped to precipitate the Arab attack on Israel in 1967. The outcome of that attack then inspired an alteration in public rhetoric. As propaganda, it sounds better to speak of the liberation of Falastin than of the destruction of Israel. Much of the world, governments and media and public opinion, accept virtually without question of serious analysis the new-sprung myth of an Arab nation of Falastin, whose territory is unlawfully occupied by the Jews. Since the end of World War I, the Arabs of the Middle East and North Africa have been given independent states in 99.5 percent of the land they claimed. Lord Balfour once expressed his hope that when the Arabs had been given so much, they would "not begrudge" the Jews the "little notch" promised to them. [some of the material cited above is drawn from the book From Time Immemorial by Joan Peters.]. Source: This essay is from the 15 February issue of "Time to Speak except the paragraphs from "Is Jordan Palerstine...1967" was contributed later to EretzYisroel.Org This page was produced by Joseph E. Katz Middle Eastern Political and Religious History Analyst Brooklyn, New York

I had a vivid dream a little over 3 years ago of my city.

This thread is retarded. First off blindseeker eph you act like this board is free speech. Learn it like it is, this board is privately owned, therefore you are not provided with a 100% chance of free speech unless the owner tells you. If the owner put Xan in charge, then Xan is in charge and that means the power of the privately owned board is in her hands which still means in the very end that you have no rights at all to begin with. The only rights you have are the rights Xan allows you to have end of story. Eph I usually agree with you on most stuff but not this. Blindseeker ....well what's to say to you, if I could disagree with you more than 100% of the time it would probably be so. The fact that we both follow the same God is strange enough as it is.

This is a tough thing to go through. I avoid relationships at all costs simply because of this kind of thing. But you will get through it in time. For different reasons I have told God I hated him before and even went out looking for reasons why God can't exist. It's ok to be mad at God, sometimes it helps, He understands that we all go through really bad times in our life and that under our human emotions we have no control over matters of the heart. Things must run there course and in time you will be cleansed of your pain, I know how you feel, though the circumstances were different I have felt similiar pain to what you are describing, it does get better, but it will take time. I am not one to go and say all this positive stuff like look ahead don't concentrate on the present and past ect... because you will concentrate on the present and past for awhile, and the more you cared about this person the longer you will hurt. This poem, I don't know if you have heard it before is great for letting us realize that the small picture seems to have alot of big holes, but when looked at it from God's view they are mear pin pricks in the fabric of our lives, we just cannot see or understand that at the most painful moments of our lives. Footprints In The Sand One night a man had a dream. He dreamed he was walking along the beach with the Lord. Accross the sky flashed scenes from his life. For each scene, he noticed two sets of footprints in the sand; one belonged to him, and the other belonged to the Lord. When the last scene of his life flashed before him, he looked back at the footprints in the sand. He noticed that many times along the path of his life there was only one set of footprints. He also noticed that it happened at the very lowest and saddest times in his life. This really bothered him and he questioned the Lord about it. "Lord, you said that once I decided to follow you, you'd walk with me all the way. But I have noticed that during the most troublesome times in my life there is only one set of footprints. I don't understand why when I needed you most you would leave me. The Lord replied, "My precious child, I love you and would never leave you. During your times of trial and suffering, when you see only one set of footprints, it is then that I carried you." Author Unkown