Spock

Ok, I'm back from the courts...let's see where we left off. Your theory here is very cool. You've taken the 3.5 years of Jesus' ministry and made that the first half of the final week in Daniel. That makes some sense to me. In addition, revelation only takes about 3.5 years and never mentions seven years so this adds some strength to your interpretation. Now, I have to go back to Daniel 9 and check it out. I guess you believe in verse 27 " he will confirm a covenant for one week, you must be thinking Jesus is making the covenant with the Jews and in the middle he said, enough is enough, I'm out of here. And the abomination of desolation is next which I assume you believe will happen in the future. Do I have this about right? Add whatever else you think I need to better understand your position here. Anyhow, I find it interesting while I'm still thinking it out and researching. Thanks again.

I found this on the Jehovahs Witness site: http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102005160?q=michael&p=par Who Is Michael the Archangel? THE spirit creature called Michael is not mentioned often in the Bible. However, when he is referred to, he is in action. In the book of Daniel, Michael is battling wicked angels; in the letter of Jude, he is disputing with Satan; and in Revelation, he is waging war with the Devil and his demons. By defending Jehovah’s rulership and fighting God’s enemies, Michael lives up to the meaning of his name—“Who Is Like God?” But who is Michael? At times, individuals are known by more than one name. For example, the patriarch Jacob is also known as Israel, and the apostle Peter, as Simon. (Genesis 49:1, 2; Matthew 10:2) Likewise, the Bible indicates that Michael is another name for Jesus Christ, before and after his life on earth I call this, one of their misguided doctrines.

Their end times beliefs are the least offensive of the "confusion" they promote if you ask me. Jesus was/is Michael the archangel? Jesus is not divine? Oy ve. Spock I am not an angel worshiper. Jesus is not an angel, He created the angels. You need to read Colossians; Jesus Christ created all things, He holds all things together. Without Him nothing was made that was made, Rev 22; Jesus Christ is the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. In Christ Montana Marv Amen brother. I completely agree with you. Did you think otherwise?

It makes sense, but I still have my reservations regarding who the ten nations or kings giving the a/c his power are. In other words, I'm not convinced it has to be ten nations from the EU. I need more.......

The six tasks in Daniel 9:24 "Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city, (1) to finish the transgression, (2) to put an end to sin, (3) and to atone for iniquity, (4) to bring in everlasting righteousness, (5) to seal both vision and prophet, (6) and to anoint a most holy place. 1. to finish the transgression 2. to put an end to sin 3. and to atone for iniquity 4. to bring in everlasting righteousness 5. to seal both vision and prophet 6. and to anoint a most holy place Answer me three questions here.. 1. How many of these tasks have already been completed? 2. Is there scripture that confirms any of these tasks in the great tribulation? 3. Why is there such a huge gap after the 69 weeks, 20 centuries later? It starts to make sense that the 70 weeks is split into two gaps. 1. The first three have been accomplished by Yeshua` (Jesus) Himself. The second three won't be accomplished until the Messiah physically returns. 2. Yes. Hebrews 9-11, but the "great tribulation" started in the first century A.D. 3. The "huge gap" occurs after the 69.5th Seven. The first 69 Sevens were accomplished before Yeshua` presented Himself for Yochanan's baptism. The next half a Seven was fulfilled in the initial offer of the Kingdom (Yeshua`s "Ministry"). Then, Yeshua` threw the monkey wrench into the works by pronouncing them desolate until there comes a generation that will say the words "Baruwkh haba' b'shem YHWH," welcoming the Messiah of YHWH as they SHOULD have done in the first century! They're a very stubborn people and haven't fully welcomed Him, yet! (Although, they ARE beginning to come around! They even put teachings and warnings into place to help the Jewish children shun Yeshua`, even though most of them don't have a clue why it's "important," just that it is!) There are not "two gaps," only the one, and it has sufficiently delayed the end of the Seven. Interesting interpretation here. I've never considered this aspect of delaying 3.5 years instead of the full week (7 yrs), but it may have some merit. I'm not buying it yet, but I will look into it. Thanks.

Just because scripture describes the rapture in different books of the Bible doesn't mean (A) rapture occurs in each scripture. It just simply means there is more poetry to the event. They are using more description to describe one event, the rapture. For example, take a look at 1 Thess 4:15-17 and 1 Cor 15:51-54. These two scriptures are describing the rapture but are in different books, because God is a painter and an artist and a creator. The pieces of the puzzle are not yet finished in prophecy because God's timing is just that..it's God's. Your the one that said the rapture happens in Rev. 4 I disagree, the rapture doesn't happen until the second coming 1st Thes. says The dead in Christ rise first (a resurrection must accompany the rapture) then we which are alive and remain will be caught up with them to meet the Lord in the air. Show me another resurrection where the dead in Christ rise, other than the first resurrection, then and only then will it be possible for the rapture to happen prior to the second coming, as described in Rev. 20 That is your belief ENOCH.Everyone has the right to believe what they want.Why are you continually debating this subject?You have your opinion and others choose to believe the way they want. I do not agree with Enoch either. Don't let him bully you here. Lol

Two distinct events. Rapture-1 thess 4 and 1 cor 15 2nd coming-Matt 24 and rev 19

Yes, that makes sense. Thanks also for explaining what Megiddo is. Do you also believe that there is a 4th war which comes before Ezekiel 38? I mean the Psalm 83 war. Yes, I think Psalm 83 will be the next war where Damascus is leveled. I also seem to think Ezekiel 38 and 39 are two separate wars, not the same.

Simply put, I think God loves it when we diligently search to know the truth. He seems to like us to learn how to persevere and wait. It also develops character that he is looking for. I think.....

Their end times beliefs are the least offensive of the "confusion" they promote if you ask me. Jesus was/is Michael the archangel? Jesus is not divine? Oy ve.