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Do you still sin?  If you do then John says you have never seen God nor know God.  Can someone who does not know God be anointed to teach about God?

 

(1 John 3: 5 - 6) “ Now you know that He appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in Him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen Him or known Him.”

Please help me understand you here in this part. Are you saying you are now without sin, and that you don't sin anymore?

Nice attempt to avoid my question. But I don't see nor do I understand how this is a answer. So....

1. Are you without sin, yes or no?

2. do you still sin, yes or no?

I know God, have seen Jesus/God, and he has called me out by name.

I answered your questions my way.  The subject being discussed by me, is not about me, but about what the written Word of God tells us.

 

I have also seen both jesus and God and know him too but that does not make me above correction. the problem I have John is you dont speak like you know god that well. You are very arguitive refuse to hear anything we are trying to teach u and when proof is given you completely disregard it.

If u knew God as well as u say you would be very humble quick to listen slow to speak you would at least accept the proof we give u and you wouldnt be so arguitive.

 

 

 

 

Do you still sin?  If you do then John says you have never seen God nor know God.  Can someone who does not know God be anointed to teach about God?

 

(1 John 3: 5 - 6) “ Now you know that He appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in Him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen Him or known Him.”

Please help me understand you here in this part. Are you saying you are now without sin, and that you don't sin anymore?

Nice attempt to avoid my question. But I don't see nor do I understand how this is a answer. So....

1. Are you without sin, yes or no?

2. do you still sin, yes or no?

I know God, have seen Jesus/God, and he has called me out by name.

 

 

 

I answered your questions my way.  The subject being discussed by me, is not about me, but about what the written Word of God tells us. 

 

I fear God but not fear of terror but awe and respect of him.

 

 

 

 

How can one know if someone is an anointed/spirit filled teacher?

They will produce the Words of God in their activity of life so that what they say

they do... thus God says:

Matt 7:14-16

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which

leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15 Beware

of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but

inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by

their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of

thistles?

KJV

simply God's Words will produce God's desires in man...

 

What church has authority from God to appoint someone to any office of teacher, bishop, etc.?

 

They become apparent by their gifting of God The Holy Spirit... God appoints by the

self evidence of what they become in Christ's Jesus body 'The Church'

Eph 4:11-12

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some,

evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting

of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of

the body of Christ:

KJV

 

Think of this people John tells us that one who sins is of the devil, so if one's teacher about God sins he or she is of the devil.

Where you need to work is the realization that it 'IS' God in us working out to us

our salvation... we are born not of corruptible seed but of in corruptible

1 Peter 1:23-25

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible,

by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all

flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass.

The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the

word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by

the gospel is preached unto you.

KJV

there is not, while in The Spirit, one of us that abides in the righteousness of

God in our own merit or ability to maintain... but merely we put on the coat of His Blood

over our being so that no work of righteousness is done apart from His that was finished

on the cross of His Glory... I have God's Life within me not by deserve but by grace and

that debt is the accomplished worship in God The Son for 'ALL' eternity!

 

That tells me most people are being taught about God by the devil, because most people believe everyone still sins.

 

 (1 John 3:8) “He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work”

 

Notice what John says is from the written Word of God/Bible.  

 

I have been taught about God by God, and what I have been taught is all from the written Word of God/Bible.

You see we teach the authority of God in His Word and in that authority God, in all of His infinite glory,

finds pleasure in the presentation through man! Is this not John chapter One and

are we not trying to bring this body into conformity of Christ likeness by The Power of God through The

Holy Spirit? This unity of God you are trying to divide out by the first born processes of mind and reason

is either from new born or no born... Prayer for you! Love, Steven

 

Who is we, and how did you receive your authority to teach about God?  Why should anyone believe you are teaching the truth?  

 

john we are all taught to teach about God by the holy spirit, i dont know why u are so firm in there not being teachers but I can see you already made your mind up to not accept the truth and not see it as truth. As I said if u are not willing to learn to learn you will never grow, if you despise correction you will become arrogent.

the bible often teaches about learning from the wise and about edification and u have been shown plenty of scripture that poroves how and why we need teachers but you refused to accept it. However we cannot accept parts of the bible and ignore the rest because it defies our beliefs. If parts of the bible contridict our beliefs the issue isnt the bible the issue iis us

 

So you believe everyone is being taught by the Holy Spirit, do you?  Then why does there need to be teachers?

 

If one has the Holy Spirit then he or she will manifest the gifts of the Holy Spirit, and sinning only manifest the devil.

The devil and God will not live in the same home. 

 

(1 John 3:8) “He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work”

 

Notice John tells us that Jesus came to destroy the devil’s work. 

I guess Calvin, and Luther did not read John’s letters.

 

(1 John 3: 5 - 6) “ Now you know that He appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in Him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen Him or known Him.” 

 

So John tells us that one who sins has never seen nor knows God.  Did those who taught you about God sin?  Then you were taught about God by people who had never known God.

 

(1 John 2:6) “But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did”

 

I already told u but you would not listen. god loves to use ppl to do his will so that teacher teaching someone could very well have the holy spirit speaking every word he says

 

 

 

Who is we, and how did you receive your authority to teach about God?  Why should anyone believe you are teaching the truth?  

 

 

In that case John, why should anyone believe you?

 

Generally we know them by their fruits, as Jesus said we would.

 

There are many discerning Christians on this site John.

 

Perhaps he is still reletively new in Christ? in which case if true his imaturity no offence intended is understandable

 

Of course i too am imature in christ so I have no right to call anyone immature so Im a hypocrite and i will work on that and I apologize

 

 

Who is we, and how did you receive your authority to teach about God?  Why should anyone believe you are teaching the truth?  

 

 

In that case John, why should anyone believe you?

 

Generally we know them by their fruits, as Jesus said we would.

 

There are many discerning Christians on this site John.

 

Perhaps he is still reletively new in Christ? in which case if true his imaturity no offence intended is understandable

n my faith there were many times where I would refuse to accept the truth being taught to me because of my pride. I would be in a heated debate and would go out of line but then a person not always the debator would correct me showing i was clearly in the wrong and shouldnt have said what I did. I tell u the gut wrenching feeling of knowing I was wrong but was so prideful i really didnt want to accept it was horrible and only made me angry but the holy spirit rebuked my pride and anger and humbled me I then learned the amazing lesson of having a humble learning spirit and no longer hated correction.

 

had this person not shown me what I did was wrong i most likely would still be full of pride and hate correction and teaching. the holy spirit did not rebuke me untill this person exposee what I said wa way oit of line, our perspective on scripture and beliefs will never be spot on as we are beings of the flesh which is why accepting correction with a humble heart and learning spirit is so important. i guarantee there are some beliefs or doctrine i believe in are false I just have to find out which ones they are lol

 

 

How can one know if someone is an anointed/spirit filled teacher?

They will produce the Words of God in their activity of life so that what they say

they do... thus God says:

Matt 7:14-16

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which

leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15 Beware

of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but

inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by

their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of

thistles?

KJV

simply God's Words will produce God's desires in man...

 

What church has authority from God to appoint someone to any office of teacher, bishop, etc.?

 

They become apparent by their gifting of God The Holy Spirit... God appoints by the

self evidence of what they become in Christ's Jesus body 'The Church'

Eph 4:11-12

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some,

evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting

of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of

the body of Christ:

KJV

 

Think of this people John tells us that one who sins is of the devil, so if one's teacher about God sins he or she is of the devil.

Where you need to work is the realization that it 'IS' God in us working out to us

our salvation... we are born not of corruptible seed but of in corruptible

1 Peter 1:23-25

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible,

by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all

flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass.

The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the

word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by

the gospel is preached unto you.

KJV

there is not, while in The Spirit, one of us that abides in the righteousness of

God in our own merit or ability to maintain... but merely we put on the coat of His Blood

over our being so that no work of righteousness is done apart from His that was finished

on the cross of His Glory... I have God's Life within me not by deserve but by grace and

that debt is the accomplished worship in God The Son for 'ALL' eternity!

 

That tells me most people are being taught about God by the devil, because most people believe everyone still sins.

 

 (1 John 3:8) “He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work”

 

Notice what John says is from the written Word of God/Bible.  

 

I have been taught about God by God, and what I have been taught is all from the written Word of God/Bible.

You see we teach the authority of God in His Word and in that authority God, in all of His infinite glory,

finds pleasure in the presentation through man! Is this not John chapter One and

are we not trying to bring this body into conformity of Christ likeness by The Power of God through The

Holy Spirit? This unity of God you are trying to divide out by the first born processes of mind and reason

is either from new born or no born... Prayer for you! Love, Steven

 

Who is we, and how did you receive your authority to teach about God?  Why should anyone believe you are teaching the truth?  

 

john we are all taught to teach about God by the holy spirit, i dont know why u are so firm in there not being teachers but I can see you already made your mind up to not accept the truth and not see it as truth. As I said if u are not willing to learn to learn you will never grow, if you despise correction you will become arrogent.

the bible often teaches about learning from the wise and about edification and u have been shown plenty of scripture that poroves how and why we need teachers but you refused to accept it. However we cannot accept parts of the bible and ignore the rest because it defies our beliefs. If parts of the bible contridict our beliefs the issue isnt the bible the issue iis us

 

also god does things that dont exactly fit in scripture many times God took me somewhere or showed me something and I explained it to ppl I got shot down because it didnt fit scripture so therefore it either wasnt real or was from satan.

 

even posting scripture doesnt make what we say right

It is common in our world today to give authority to many things outside of Scripture...

This is error so taught in Scripture:

1 Thess 2:13

13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because,

when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye

received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word

of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

KJV

John 17:17

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

KJV

2 Peter 1:19-21

19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do

well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place,

until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any

private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by

the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by

the Holy Ghost.

KJV

Rom 15:4

4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for

our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures

might have hope.

KJV

Acts 20:32

32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of

his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance

among all them which are sanctified

KJV

Ps 119:148

148 Mine eyes prevent the night watches, that I might meditate in thy word.

KJV

Acts 17:11

11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they

received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the

scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

KJV

And no where outside of God's Word does God encourage us to go! Search the Scriptures

yourself to see! Love, Steven

 

then please explain to me why god does these things to me like the day I was on a walk and threw my energy drink can on the ground and I heard god command me in a booming voice PICK IT UP and my body just picked it up no questions asked. i have found no scriptures explaning this event or why he did it so does that make it rubbish?

God has the authority to do things outside of scripture but that doesnt make the event invalid.I just think u shouldnt write off what someone says or experienced just because its not in the bible because who are we to say what is rubbish or not when a person explains what happened to them?

 

 

reading comprehension is in question here-to the best of my understanding...

Sevenseas made the assumption tat John saw himself special to the lord when he made no such claim nor did he insinuate so either. that is why i said what i said its unfair to assume a person is talking highly of themselves when they were only describing their thoughts and experiences on a subject.

 

I said reading comprehension is in question... Seven Seas is very scholarly in Her pursuits of God!

What she said was according to Scripture and She quoted it for you- so that what JohnLove said appears

to be outside of Scripture and is need of further proving by Scripture to maintain what he said

Elsewise JohnLove is considering Himself specially observed outside of Scripture... Love, Steven

 

Wait let me understand something I may have misunderstood what you but are you saying that in order for what he said to be valid it has to fit into scripture? Because if so thats not entirely reliable for several reasons.Its very easy to use scripture out of context not saying she was doing that but its a very common issue also god does things that dont exactly fit in scripture many times God took me somewhere or showed me something and I explained it to ppl I got shot down because it didnt fit scripture so therefore it either wasnt real or was from satan.

 

even posting scripture doesnt make what we say right

Idk why but lately i have hoped for a powerful out pouring of the holy spirit on the church. dont know why one day out of nowhere Just wanted it. I admire your pastors boldness to make such a claim but I never like to believe such things without proof for fear of being mislead

John I noticed you have been shown plenty of times not just by me but by others how important teachers are. if you are not willing to learn you will never grow, The holy spirit is our teacher yes but God speaks to through ppl a whole lot and honestly are you listening to the holy spirit right now? If I was in your position and arguing about something like this im pretty sure he would tell me to humble myself and be willing for correction.

I have a kj bible and i admit there is some cool about the way the talk in it even though half the time i cant understand what its saying but still it very cool

a debate on why we need teachers when we have the holy spirit came up and I wanted to clarify why we need teachers. true enough the holy spirit is a great teacher but the church needs Godly teachers as well, because after all what if this one preacher who teaches a sermon is in fact being used by god?

How do we not know every word he is saying is actually the holy spirit speaking through him? even an insightful knowledgable and wise veteran Christian can benifit from a sermon making the wise even wiser and the unlearned more insightful.

God has always loved using ppl to do his will or speak to our hearts. When I hear a sermon I take in the teachings then ask god to clarify the truth in it.

You quote much scripture, but it escapes me as to what you seem to be saying.

It seems you talk about gifts of the Holy Spirit, and offices of the Church.

 

Yet what is the Church of God’s?

 

I personally believe the Church of God are those who live the whole Word of God.

 

Yet the only Church with any authority form God, is the Roman Catholic/Greek Orthodox. 

 

Their bishops have the authority of an apostle, even though they, because the Church no longer teaches God whole Word, have not any of the powers of an apostle.

The message is in the verses. The Holy Spirit has set up an office of teacher. To claim we should not be taught from anyone but the Holy Spirit is discounting His office He set up. God has anointed some to teach, otherwise there would be no office for teaching.

As for bringing in the Roman Catholic Church and Greek Orthodox church, be advices we do not allow any teaching from their doctrine nor do we allow any bashing of either church.

Show me scripture that says a Spiritual Christian needs to be taught about God by anyone but the Holy Spirit.  I quoted scripture that said only God can bring one to know God.  Show me you know what you are talking about.

ya John Im with onelight one this one teachers are important in learning and im going to make a thread about that i invite you to come

reading comprehension is in question here-to the best of my understanding...

Sevenseas made the assumption tat John saw himself special to the lord when he made no such claim nor did he insinuate so either. that is why i said what i said its unfair to assume a person is talking highly of themselves when they were only describing their thoughts and experiences on a subject.

 

 

 

Jesus has shown himself to me, and has called me out by name.

 

Do you consider a special dispensation here?

 

God has written in the Lamb's Book of Life the names of ALL who are His.  

 

I have the impression you may believe you have some sort of a relationship that is unique and yet God declares we are all of individual and special interest to Him.

 

I think you may be kind of skating on thin ice and are going to fast to see the signs

 

Actually no I dont think he is, there is truth to what he says. when I became saved I didnt want to be taught by others who god is or what it means to be a Christian because I figured who better to teach me than God himself? so with my bible and Christian music I secluded my self in my room for months to seek God learn who he is and build a true relationship with him and I had many encounters with God in my roim I even felt the holy spirit fill my room. i could almost see it I would walk out of my room to eat or something and the presence could be felt but the second I stepped in my room there he was filling my room.

 

John never claimed to be special and was being honest and honestly your assumption was not cool

 

You have made some assumptions, and I don't believe they deserve any response.

 

What assumptions have I made?

 

Jesus has shown himself to me, and has called me out by name.

 

Do you consider a special dispensation here?

 

God has written in the Lamb's Book of Life the names of ALL who are His.  

 

I have the impression you may believe you have some sort of a relationship that is unique and yet God declares we are all of individual and special interest to Him.

 

I think you may be kind of skating on thin ice and are going to fast to see the signs

 

Actually no I dont think he is, there is truth to what he says. when I became saved I didnt want to be taught by others who god is or what it means to be a Christian because I figured who better to teach me than God himself? so with my bible and Christian music I secluded my self in my room for months to seek God learn who he is and build a true relationship with him and I had many encounters with God in my roim I even felt the holy spirit fill my room. i could almost see it I would walk out of my room to eat or something and the presence could be felt but the second I stepped in my room there he was filling my room.

 

John never claimed to be special and was being honest and honestly your assumption was not cool

Last night I had a very complex dream last night. It began with an indian tribe and how some white ppl were visiting. They all got along pretty well and there was a man named John who was talking with an indian when they heard a horn blow and they indian invited Jon and his family to dinner since it was a special holiday.

 

So John his daughter and his wife were then at the indians house or hut rather and while waiting John looked in a basket and found something strange the basket was filled with salt and the bible and small hand held new testaments were in there. The salt apparently was to keep the books fresh whatever that means.

 

It then jumped to me and the indians I saw an old indian lady with blind eyes the eyes were an outward sign of a great calling from God she couldt see through fleshly eyes but she saw through gods instead. i askked her grand daughter how she became blind no sooner had I asked i suddenly was taken to the day the old lady became blind.

 

I was the old lady for some reason i was trying to go to sleep but the holy spirit wouldnt let me. He would lift me gently in the air or slightly move me around or move around like the wind inside me because he was lovingly annoying me till i accepted the  great calling from God. I would turn blind when I accepted it but eventually I decide to give in and rthen I became blind.

 

It then jumps to a scene where God and satan are at war. God was overseeing his castle while satan and his army were trying to get in. god would throw stuff at them but satan since he was so strong interceded it and protected his army. God then brought out the big guns He summoned a whopper of a Giant meteor to throw at satan as it went down i became a bit nervous for some reason and then I woke up

 

Hmm not sure what to think about this one what say all of u?

umm im pretty sure babylon according to the bible for today is america and is important for bible prophecy. i doubt there is a church with 100% accuracy as we are  human and imperfect. we are all given a piece of the puzzle so use discernment when given teachings from any church or preacher

I dont remember if it was an atom that exploded and expanded or something more complex that did it but the big bang theory while called a theory to scientis is a fact. Now I thought about this big bang theory see Nothing can exist without being created so I got into a debate with my friend who fully believes the big bang.

 

I kept asking how this happened and what created it till we got to the very first thing in the big bang theory which I think was an atom or something I asked what created it and he said nothing it was just there. I said how could it just exist without being created and he said how can God exist without being created and I said we dont know we ar to just have faith and lean not on our own understanding.

 

He then said then in the same way science requires faith that the atom just existed.

Hi F-H,

 

I remember that someone told you to try and meet a woman in person, not online. I hate to have to say this, but I agree. And I mean for you as well as me. I just had a bad experience (again) with a woman I met online. I had high hopes with this one because she's also a Christian. But just the fact that there are over 1000 denominations means not all Christians believe the exact same things. I've spent 30 years learning to be tolerant of other Christians just so long as they believe Jesus is our savior. Unfortunately we don't all have this attitude. At least I found out pretty quickly. I've come to think some of us are not meant to have a mate, even if that's been what we wanted our whole life. I mean God comes first, of course. But after God I always wanted a wife. I hope you find one.  

No we are all meant to have a mate it just takes longer for some of us tha others. Be patient mmy friend you will find her God understands the need to have a mate  and he will bring her to you. Just seek the lord above all else and everything else will fall into place

 

Im no one special...

Nevertheless, it's going to take someone very special to love you... someone whom only God can give you.

So my advice is to STOP LOOKING. Run after God instead, and someday, when you are ready, God would bring her to you (or bring the two of you together).

~

 

thats kind of the plan like i said in my earlier post

when you read the bible and you are wanting to know the truth about something like the ever popular pre mid post rapture and trinity and sabbath keeping I want u to think about this- when many ask God to show them the truth of something there are somethings needing thought., In seeking the truth you may not like what you find and may refuse to accept it as truth.

the whole rapture thing for instance say u look to the word for the truth about it thats good but many dont realize that deep down they dont want to be wrong so their belief is all they see in scripture.

 

its scary to let go of your own beliefs in order to learn the truth but its neccisary in order to learn it or else theres no room to grow and learn. If you seek the truth be prepared to accept the cost of it which means you could be wrong and it might change everything.

Fire,

I'm speechless!

Wow! What an amazing testimony. My first thought is this- I'm glad God has given you something most of us can only dream about, considering man has taken away from you many things we take for granted.

It is going to take me a while to process everything you said.

Thanks for sharing.

Im no one special God may have given me these things but I cannot do certain things other christians can. besides we are all very important take a beautiful patterned rug now view the entire rug as Gods grand design and each small thread a person. the small thread cannot see the beautiful pattern it creates with the others each thread is needed to make the rug. the moral of this is each one of us cannot see the big picture but each of us is neccisary to fulfill gods great plan.