MARANATHA

I know this isn't the thread for this, but since the majority of my post are here I am posting this to my brothers who have communicated our prospectives with each other. I ask the moderator to leave this post here if possible, if not I will understand. We are moving back to Louisiana from Washington State. 3,000 miles. It will be a long drive. I will not have internet service after today. It will be several weeks to a month before I can get back with you all. Will post to you as I can. GOD bless you all and pray for our safe trip home. Your brother in CHRIST, MARANATHA.

Time will tell of Russia's real agendas, and letting the US dominate the oil in the region may, not be in the Russian interest. Peace, but not yet.

I believe it will be interesting to see how Russia reacts in Chechnya. With the rebels latest action. Putin may now have a free hand in a full all out attack on the rebels. Where he has showed restraint before, in order to appease world opinion. He acted very quickly in the response of the rebels, and it seems to have paid off to his advantage. It is my belief, the unification of the European continent is a partial fulfillment in the dividing of the world into 10 regions or kingdoms, which 10 kings will take over and rule in one hours time with the future anti-christ. Europe being one of those regions, and which contains many smaller individual countries. It is important on the globalist time scale to unify the region which contains the most in individual countries. The other nine regions consist of larger countries or a single country as a whole. Peace, but not yet.

Discerning all things. Peace, but not yet. :thumb:

http://www.worthynews.com/zone.cg....gi?http Peace, but not yet.

Whatsitmean As time nears the coming events of the tribulation period, people that are riding the fence are being forced to one side or the other, GOD is removing the fence riders. HE is forcing people to commit to HIM, or reject HIM. The judgments during the tribulation period are designed as GOD'S last effort to force people into a decision of only two choices, accept CHRIST or reject HIM. Unfortunately you are acquainting the Pollyanna-ist whom have jumped to the wrong side of the fence. They do not want to here of their materialistic world being destroyed, and ruled with a rod of iron by the KING OF KINGS, and LORD OF LORDS. They want to here that everything will continue as it has, and that they can continue their lives in this world, which has become their god. They do not want to here of the end of the world system as we know it, or the wars and famine that will occur just prior to it

Step by step, all is needed is good war for the a/c to stand up with his peace plan in hand, with a solution to a war his followers started, to put him in power. I am waiting for CHRIST'S peace plan. Untill then, peace, but not yet.

Thunder can you image being able to talk to all the old testament saints, and asking them about the events we have read about in scripture. That will be amazing. Peace, but not yet.

That is pretty cut and dry. I do not believe that is an either or question. Where I believe the problems with understanding certain aspects of prophecy begin are when certain prophetic events that specifically pertain to the Jews and Israel as a nation, are forced as being for Christians in general. An example of this is the 144,000 that are sealed. There are some who believe this refers to their particular religion, or to non-Jews, when Revelation is very clear that GOD has chosen 12,000 from each of the tribes of Israel for this task. There are prophecies that will be fulfilled that are meant as judgments for the unsaved, as well as the saved, we must discern which prophesies are meant for which particular group is being spoken of. There are events described that pertain to specific groups that can only pertain to a specific group of people, such as those who see the abomination of desolation. This is specifically for the Jews who will be in that region at that time. If you are in New York, it will not have much meaning to you when you are told to flee to the Judean Hills. We can see this from Revelation and Daniel as well as other books that speak of the coming of CHRIST. The assumption that Christians have totally re-placed the Jews and Israel in GOD

"..........NOT...........!!! You read WAY to many Hal Lindsey books..or people who read em...then rewrote their own using HIS ideas of who's who...! Plus...Stay away from the fiction garbage "tribulation force" type books too ....!" Which books are you referring to, I looked through the book collection I have, and none were written by Lindsey. You are making this assumption based on what knowledge? With the detail of my post, (which I based on my study of scripture, on organization and countries that may be bringing about the events that fulfill the prophecies of the events just prior to the return of CHRIST) you must know exactly which book I plagiarized, so please inform me which book or books you are referring to by name. For your information, I see possible scenarios by reading Daniel, Ezekiel, Zechariah, Isaiah, and Revelation. Correlating the events in these books with each other. I will then ask myself questions. Like who are the primary governmental powers on the earth at the return of CHRIST. They are from reading Daniel and Revelation, the kings of the east and the world government of the anti-christ. With this information, I then ask well what happened to the US. I read in Daniel of three kingdoms being subdued. I look at the war front of the future and I see the US heavily involved in a Middle East war with certain Arab nations. I see the threat of an attack by certain Arab nation on Israel. I see Russian interest in the region increasing . I then read Ezekiel 38 and 39. I re-read Revelation and find no mention of these three governmental powers in the time frame of the 7 years before the return of CHRIST. I re-read Daniel where anti-christ subdues three kingdoms. Lets see, war in the Middle East on the front pages of the news papers and heavily covered by the network and cable news agencies, I re-read Ezekiel 38 and 39, the only world powers mentioned in Revelation are the kings of the east and the world government of the anti-christ. I read in Zechariah of the plague, on those that are attacking Israel, which causes the flesh, eyes and tongues to consume away in their bodies. Well anyway, just thought I would explain why I believe what I believe, and what original sources of information I used for my beliefs, so no one would make any more assumptions on what my sources are based on ignorance. So its time to put up, or... well you figure it out. Peace, but not yet.

A discerning mind!! Peace, but not yet.

Lorie how are you? http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/index.html This is the best site on any weapons that are, or may be used in warfare. I do not know your interest level here, but I am sure if you search the site you will find any answers to any questions you might have. The technologies required to build the components of nuclear weapons is over 60 years old, and most countries, and even certain individuals possess the capabilities to develop and construct these components. The more difficult aspect of the device is the processing of the fuel to make the detonation a nuclear one. The technologies required for this process require vast resources of technologies that are not readily available to countries and people. The processes require huge funding for research and development. The Arab nations are now seeking to finance and develop the technologies required for processing of these fuels. The site I posted above can explain these issues in detail. I highly recommend the read to everyone. Peace, but not yet.

In Ezekiel 38 and 39 it is believed Russia is listed among the Arab and Islamic African nations that attack Israel. I believe the Arabs as a whole may attack Israel as they have in the past, but with our forces in the region, they have a restraint. In our attack on Iraq I see a flaw in our strategy. Our force are vulnerable to a conventional attack by the Russians and the Chinese. They both have the ability to inflict heavy damage to our conventional forces in the region with a massive air and missile strike. They can accomplish this simply because we are in their backyard. With our offensive capabilities now diminished to defensive postures, the Arabs and the Russians would then attempt to overrun Israel, and China we be free to retake Taiwan. We could not conventionally defend either place. This scenario is very plausible, if so we maybe walking into a very thought out trap, which we may have to either pull completely out of the region in disgrace or escalate the war to the next level. I believe the US military arrogance will soon catch up with them. We have only been so successful in our latest campaigns because our forces haven

Sharon may be doing the age-old saying that I have heard many times in the past. "Keep your friends close, and keep your enemies, even closer", but who knows for sure. I believe Netanyahu (if I spelt that right) we be elected next if Sharon is not successful in stopping the suicide bombers. He will be much more severe in his retaliation for such terror attacks. It will be interesting to see what develops if and when the Bush decides to attack Iraq, and Saddam launches some type of attack on Israel. Peace, but not yet.

I have to be very careful here, for all is monitored. Lets just leave it at I didn

Well since the cat is now out of the bag. I will let you figure out the rest of the story. They caught the men on this attempt to sell weapons grade uranium. What of those that they didn't catch. Time is of the essence now. www.drudgereport.com ANKARA (Reuters) - Turkish paramilitary police have seized more than 33 pounds of weapons-grade uranium and detained two men accused of smuggling the material, the state-run Anatolian news agency said on Saturday. Officers in the southern province of Sanliurfa, which borders Syria and is about 155 miles from the Iraqi border, were acting on a tip-off when they stopped a taxi cab and discovered the uranium in a lead container hidden beneath the vehicle's seat, the agency said. The incident happens at a time of mounting speculation the United States could launch a military attack on neighboring Iraq for its alleged program of weapons of mass destruction. U.S. President George Bush has accused Baghdad of clandestine efforts to develop a nuclear bomb as his administration works to build international support for an operation to oust Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.  Officials at Ankara's Atomic Energy Institute would not confirm they had been notified about the material, which Anatolia had reported. "Our investigation on whether the uranium was destined for a neighboring country is continuing," a Sanliurfa police official was quoted as saying by Anatolian. Police officials in Sanliurfa and Ankara declined to comment on the case. Authorities believe the uranium came from an east European country and has a value of about $5 million, Anatolian said. It was not immediately clear when the operation was carried out. Anatolian only gave the first names of the suspects, which appeared to be Turkish. Smugglers use Turkey's porous eastern border to import drugs, and hundreds of thousands of migrants each year illegally cross the rugged frontier on their way to more affluent European Union nations. Police in Istanbul seized more than 2.2 pounds of weapons-grade uranium last November that had been smuggled into Turkey from an east European nation. The smugglers were detained after attempting to sell the material to undercover police officers.

I received some info I wish I could share (sorry), but things seem to be worse than we are being told, not necessarily on the terrorist front, but things that are being prepared for in our (maybe) future attack on Iraq. PRAY!!! Peace, but not yet.

The pollyanna-ist hate to here the bad they only want to hear the good. For those who do not believe the events of Thunder's post will follow the rapture, I believe the shock of the events may overwhelm you, and place many in a state of hysterical denial. Panic and Anarchy will rule those days. Those who are not saved, but whom will remember the warning, hopefully will fall to their knees, and except CHRIST. Better yet do it now and escape this future event. The worst war man has seen will follow this, and billions will die. I for one am glad my family and I will not be here to see it. I have been called by many, a gloom and doom-er, but those are the words of pollyannaism. I proclaim these event as the judgments of GOD on man and his sin. These events will be followed by the kingdom of CHRIST. For the Christian it will not be gloom and doom. Hopefully for those who have chosen to reject salvation at this time, and see the events as posted happening before their very eyes, though they may now lose their physical life, pray and except CHRIST and save their souls. Whether you believe these events will happen or not, they are coming. When they do, do not let the denial and hysteria overcome you. Realize your mis-calculation. Repent and pray for forgiveness, and salvation. Peace, but not yet.

Hear, Hear

I also believe the greatest future threat is the Arabs developing an inventory of deliverable nukes. It also appears this will be accomplished in the next few years. Hope you are all looking up, with one hand to your ear. There are two blast that are about to be heard. The blast of the last trump, and the blast of a nuclear device set off by the Arab forces hell-bent on the destruction of Israel and any who support her. Peace, not yet, but HE is coming soon.

That was very informative. I believe the feast of the Jews will correlate perfectly with the prophecies of CHRIST'S return and the rapture also. Peace, but not yet.

It is speculated that Elijah and Moses will be the two witnesses of Revelation 11. They were seen at the mount of transfiguration with CHRIST. Some also believe Enoch could be one of the witnesses too, but only time will tell. Peace, but not yet.

2007 I agree we are very near the starting point of the tribulation. I also believe the dates will be known, but not with very much advanced notice. I believe it will all happen in my life time, But I could be wrong, and the way I look at it is, praise GOD anyhow. I know in my heart, if I die, I die saved. Peace, but not yet.

Apocalypse2007 The reason I believe there will be nuclear weapons used in the war of Armageddon, is the mass number of people that the book of Revelation says will be killed just before and during the 7 year period of the tribulation. During the seal judgments

Thunder says. "I didn't want to use my name, because I wanted the Lord to get all the glory, not me." This is why I chose MARANATHA. It is a proclamation. Every time someone says MARANATHA, it proclaims