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Hi Charlie I do not agree with this. If I had not read Revelation chapter 17, I would of been just as confused as Daniel was. He was given the interpretation, but still did not understand fully. And if Daniel could not fully understand it, no one else back then could. It was just too far back in time to make any sense. The latter kingdom was referring to the time when Christ returns and not the first time he came. King Neb was shown and understood in the end that it is God who raises kings and kingdoms, and it also God who subdues them. None of those kingdoms were everlasting, but the one who who smote the image, is of an everlasting kingdom. Christ is not ruling yet. Things have to run it's course first before God sends him back. The kingdoms of man will be given into his hands. He will rule the nations with a rod of iron. His kingdom will be known throughout the whole earth and all will kneel down to him. His laws will be official and all will have to abide. Once they see his power and the judgement of the nations leading up to, and at his reutrn, none can refuse or deny that God chose him to be king. For he is worthy. Matthew 13:17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

Sorry about that Charlie. It's like this.....when you've walked through a door you find out what's inside. It cuts to the chase. My initial response to you was very lengthy and I was writing it over a couple of days. In the end, I deleted the whole thing because I found that missing key which I had all along, and gave it to you so you could take a peek inside. It saves much time of going back and forth. Whether you can see the same thing inside that room that I can see, we will find out. I am just pointing to where it is exactly.

Hi Charlie Caps are not a problem at all. You could reply the whole post in caps and I wouldn't get offended. I actually prefer using them myself for emphasis also but cautious not to offend. So now we know that neither of us will get offended, lets go caps when required!!!!!

Thank you Charlie, I tried to keep it short and sweet! Yes, agreed. The 4th kingdom on the image in Dan Ch2 is not divided, but a solid kingdom of iron. When we come to the feet, it will be divided because it's the iron mixed with clay. Yes. Exactly! Yes. Ok, this is where the book of Revelation will clear this up. Old Rome (the legs of iron) was in power during the days of Christ, and during the days when John wrote the book of Revelation about 70AD. The image in Daniel Ch2 only shows only the dominant kingdoms starting from Babylon, but there were 2 before it - Egypt and Assyria. So five kingdoms on the image, plus 2 before it = 7 kingdoms in total. The total of 7 kingdoms represents the 7 heads in the book of Revelation because we are now including the extra 2 before Babylon. Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 1. EGTPT - 2. ASSYRIA - 3. BABYLON - 4. MEDO/PERSIA/ - 5. GRECIA - 6. ROME. 7. NOT YET COME (REFORMED ROME) Reformed Rome not yet come during the days of this prophecy, so feet of Iron and Clay not yet come, nor the toes. Old Rome was there in power, not yet reformed. Feet of iron and clay are here now - but not quite reached the stage of the 10 toes when they are given power. When did the Feet or iron and clay start? I don't know. It could be when the British Empire rose up as they controlled many territories throughout the world. Is Rome hiding within the British Empire using that as their cover? I don't have all the answers, just questions.

Hi Charlie Nice to speak to you again. I am waiting for you to really delve into the book Revelation, then hopefully you will see how it holds the key for understanding Daniel on a deeper level regarding the timing of these kingdoms. The book of Revelation can not be omitted in this conversation because it ties up everything nicely. You said there is only 4 kingdoms not 5. It depends on what chapter in Daniel we are speaking about. The image in Dan Ch2 has 5 kingdoms starting from Babylon. 1. the head of gold 2. the arms and chest of silver 3. the belly and thighs of Brass 4. the legs of iron 5. the feet and toes of iron and clay. Kingdom no. 5 goes through a change, because it doesn't consist of just iron now, but mixed with clay. The iron is of Rome, and the clay of other nations. They mingle, but they don't stick (agree). I call this kingdom reformed Rome, because I don't know what other name to give it, and this is the end time kingdom who will be ruling when Christ returns. The other 2 kingdoms before it, Egypt and Assyria are not mentioned because they had already come and gone. I am aware that you are not convinced of this through our earlier conversations, but please keep in mind, because we will need it later. Daniel chapter 7 mentions 4 great beasts. There have been other kingdoms throughout history, but these 4 GREAT beasts get a mention. As I have said to you in the past, the first 3 great beasts are mentioning only the KINGS of the kingdoms which were to come after Babylon. The nature of these first 3 kings are like a lion, a bear, and a leopard. I explained to Marilyn quite a few times over the years who the first 3 kings represented, and provided proof, because the answer or interpretation is not in history books which we cannot rely on 100%, but in the scriptures of Daniel going here and there throughout the chapters. Marilyn did not address the proof I provided, nor did Stormy Monday who seems to have disappeared of the face of the earth. If we go wrong here, the whole interpretation of the kingdoms and their order in the grand scheme of things and time will get muddled up and anyone can slot anything where ever they think it goes, giving an interpretation of error. The 4th great terrible beast in Dan Ch7 doesn't mention all the emperors of Rome, but skips time until we get to this end time reformed Rome when it's days are coming to an end. It does mention a king, and the timing of when he arises, and he is called 'the little horn', which arises during the kingdom's end coming out of the 10 toes. This is where we need the book of Revelation. For this kingdom of the 10 toes and this little horn will rule for only 3.5yrs, and then the end will come. He cannot be put into the past for he is yet to come. The book of Revelation reveals who God calls this little horn, and he calls him the False Prophet. In 2Thessalonians ch2, he is called the man of sin, and the Son of Perdition. It's all the same man, another king who is more fierce than all his predecessors.

Hi Marilyn Daniel 2:33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay. Daniel 2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. The legs of iron was Rome. The old Rome finished at the legs. The next kingdom starts at the feet and finishes at the toes. It has iron in it. It's a reformed Rome, .....not the same as before but different. The fourth beast is specifically mentioning this reformed Rome, because the 10 toes come out of the new (the feet), not the old (the legs). The British Empire, and the USA came up out of the feet and is working with the new reformed Rome. There are other nations working with them also. This is a confederate kingdom and ruling today. We are coming to the toes. When the 10 toes are given power to rule as kings, the false prophet will come out of them. The 10 kings and the FP will rule for only 3.5 yrs, then their end comes.

Hi Marilyn Not sure what you are trying to say here? The writing on the wall is showing that the kingdom of Babylon was coming to an end. That same night, right after this, whilst they were still drinking and making merry, it happened just like the writing said, and the kingdom was taken over by Darius of the Mede's. Darius was the one who conquered Babylon aged 62 yrs old. The Persians would soon join them. Therefore the kingdom of Babylon was conquered and given over to the Mede's and Persians to rule over the earth...... by God's command, because he is the one who raises and subdues kings. This is the kingdom that followed Babylon, that came after the head of Gold. The kingdom of Rome had not yet formed, because the Kingdom of Grecia has to come next. These scriptures have nothing to do with a reformed Rome, so not sure why you quoted these scriptures? And just a note, something that I realised....v29 - Belshazzar wanted to make Daniel the 3rd ruler in the kingdom of Babylon. So Belshazzar must of been Nebuchadnezzer's son, not grandson, and Daniel would of been the 3rd ruler of this kingdom if Babylon were allowed to continue. Babylon only ruled for 70 years. Daniel 5:25 And this is the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. Daniel 5:26 This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it. Daniel 5:27 TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting. Daniel 5:28 PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians. Daniel 5:29 Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and put a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom. Daniel 5:30 In that night was Belshazzar the king of the Chaldeans slain. Daniel 5:31 And Darius the Median took the kingdom, being about threescore and two years old.

The image in Dan ch2 symbolises those ruling kingdoms from Babylon to the end (2nd Coming) When you get to the feet mixed with iron and clay, this is that last reformed kingdom. When this last reformed kingdom is coming to it's end, you have the 10 toes. During the days of these 10 toes, Christ will return. These 10 toes will rule as kings as additional information is given in the book of Revelation which reveals that these are indeed 10 kings who will be given power to rule ONE HOUR with the beast. ONE HOUR is 3 1/2 years (42 months) Keep that in mind. The Son of Perdition who will arise, (FP) is a man with a big mouth speaking great things comes out of those 10 kings at the end of time (that part of the kingdom when it's coming to it end - it ends with the 10 toes) During their days (10 kings/10 toes) there are other kingdoms and nations existing (beasts) who do not agree with them, nor wish to serve them any more. These kingdoms will all start warring the beast, and other kingdoms will start turning on each other. You see the iron and clay doesn't stick in the end. So when Christ returns, he will smash the whole image by striking the feet (10 kings), and the whole system of men ruling will become rubble. Not a trace of their ways or system will be left. They will not be remembered or admired as great kingdoms. So the rest of these beasts who had their dominion taken away, are the nations of the world. When Christ returns, and carries out judgement these nations will still exist, but they will have no power to rule, because Christs kingdom will be ruling ON EARTH over men. Law and order will be restored, but with righteousness this time. These other beasts will exist for another 1000 years until the Gog and Magog war is over, then the earth will be just one kingdom, and all will be one.

Hi Marilyn Yes that's obvious what Stormy pointed out because the scriptures say so! I agree, that these kingdoms come after Babylon. It all ties in together,....., the image in Dan 2, with the vision and interpretation in Dan 8 concerning the ram (Medo/Persia), and the he goat (Alexander/Grecia). All this was fulfilled before Rome formed. The British empire arose after Rome crumbled, thus into the future. Great Britain can't be slotted in before the kingdoms of Medo/Persia and Grecia because they did not yet exist. The vision of the 4 beasts was what was to come directly after Babylon. The first two beasts refer to the kings of Medo and Persia. They combined to become one empire. Alexander of the Grecians was mentioned next. This all ties in to the image of Dan 2. Rome came next, but Rome changed. It weakened, crumbled, then reformed into a new type of Rome mixed with other nations. The nations are conglomerate, all working together to form the New World Order. Islamic countries working together with them also, all in the club, but they will separate and the Islamic countries will form alliances and become the kings of the East, going against the agenda they were once part of, and will stand up against this modern Rome, the kings of the North. This will start the 3rd world war AFTER the Mark of the Beast is issued, at the 6th trump.

Hi Marilyn The prophesy came during the days that Babylon was ruling. The kings to come were directly after Babylon. The British Empire did not exist then. You are putting the past way into the future. After the Lion (Darius the Mede), the Bear is mention (4th King of Persia) the last Persian king ruling with the Mede's at the time of their end. The next King to come after them was Alexander of the Grecians. Daniel 7:6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it. Alexander's Kingdom of Greece was divided by his four generals after his death. Much later, out of one of them, but not in Greece's power,.... out of one of the 4 territories, Rome formed after this. The British Empire came after Rome collapsed. Rome ended where the legs finished. The feet of iron mixed with clay would be where The British Empire would exist, and not where the Arms and breasts of silver stand on the Dan 2 image. All has to harmonise nicely so that we can say these scriptures are true, and not a muddled up mess.

Stormy You are asking me to doubt my KJV. I've said this many times before that God's hand was on the translation process of the KJV so we can read the Word of God today, new and old testaments. He picked King James, not because he was a righteous king, but because of his authority and finances to have these scriptures translated and go out to the gentiles. He did not chose an Israel Rabbi to send out the gospel with the OT, or the Arabs, or anyone else, but chose the king of England and ordained it to be translated into English knowing it would be the most common language of the world. God chose his words exactly, and those 70 or so interpreters would of been chosen by him too, so that we could just pick up and find the truth. We do not have to learn ancient Hebrew and Arabic or Syriac to find the truth, but it's for anyone who is simple to read and come to the knowledge of truth. There is only one translation that is always attacked and that is the KJV. This should tell us something. So what you are saying means nothing to me. I just pick up and read, and if I don't understand an English word, I just look it up in an English dictionary. Trust. Psalms 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

The kingdoms with their metals have a flow to it. I explained above. To me it doesn't matter, but you got the order wrong with the kingdoms. Please look into Daniel Ch 8 which gives the interpretation. Daniel 8:3 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had two horns: and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last. The ram = Medo/Persia having two horns (2 kings). The higher horn is the last king of Persia, the 4th king which came up last. I showed you the scripture in your other post about the bear with the 3 ribs in it's mouth (Dan 7:5) and the scripture where this 4th king of Persia was richer than them all (Dan 11:2). This is all related to find the interpretation, so your order of kingdoms was wrong, The ram is one beast, with 2 horns (2 kings), a combined kingdom called Medo/Persia and the ram is the one who stirred up the king of Grecia the he goat. The Medo/Persian empire ended at the same time - conquered, gone, history. The Ram is finished. Greecia takes over. This is not end times but all in the past, and the order of kingdoms you listed is wrong according to scripture. The ram is the arms and breast of silver on the image in Dan Ch2. It harmonises. Daniel 8:4 I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great. Daniel 8:5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes. Daniel 8:6 And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power.

I am not talking about the KJV being an interpretation, but the other scriptures that harmonise with what is being said often interprets the meanings. ie, does it back up a matter or contradict it. A false translation will be full of contradictions if you look carefully. It won't flow, but becomes a stumbling block and causes error. I gave you an example that King Neb BUILT Babylon, and the Mede's conquered what was already there. Of course the Mede's existed as a kingdom prior to this, but not a ruling kingdom having greater dominion until they took Babylon.

True it's about the kingdoms, but God mentioned the metals also did he not? Why would he mention them if it wasn't important? Gold is the most precious metal of them all, but is soft. Silver is less precious but stronger, therefore inferior to gold. ....and so it goes until you get to the iron which is the strongest, but less precious.

Is silver inferior to gold? It may be stronger but not as precious. Daniel 2:39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth. God said that after Babylon, the next kingdom would be inferior to his. What you are quarreling about is the interpretation of the KJV. That's fine, because the scriptures will interpret themselves. Daniel 4:30 The king spake, and said, Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for the house of the kingdom by the might of my power, and for the honour of my majesty? Who built Babylon? King Neb. Who conquered it? The Medes. Who was the greater one? The one who built it, or the one that conquered what already existed? I say the scriptures in the KJV are true, and I don't doubt one word, therefore I trust what is written, because it interprets itself.

That's right. This prophecy was given during the reign of Babylon, and King Neb was already gone. It was his son or grandson ruling at this time of this prophecy. Not all four are end time empires because there is a progression going on showing what comes after the kingdom of Babylon ends... In the first three kingdoms, the KINGS who would arise are mentioned. The Lion is Darius - King of the Mede's. He was given a man's heart when he saw that Daniel was saved by his God. He praised the Lord God and gave him glory, and changed the laws because of this; It is revealed in Daniel chapter 6 who this Lion is; Daniel 6:24 And the king commanded, and they brought those men which had accused Daniel, and they cast them into the den of lions, them, their children, and their wives; and the lions had the mastery of them, and brake all their bones in pieces or ever they came at the bottom of the den. Daniel 6:25 Then king Darius wrote unto all people, nations, and languages, that dwell in all the earth; Peace be multiplied unto you. Daniel 6:26 I make a decree, That in every dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel: for he is the living God, and stedfast for ever, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed, and his dominion shall be even unto the end. Daniel 6:27 He delivereth and rescueth, and he worketh signs and wonders in heaven and in earth, who hath delivered Daniel from the power of the lions. Daniel 6:28 So this Daniel prospered in the reign of Darius, and in the reign of Cyrus the Persian. King Darius saw the power of the Living God and declared it making a decree. This is a total change of heart coming from a Pagan king! A man's heart given to him. He is the Lion. The 2nd beast Daniel 7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh. The next King to to be mentioned would be the King of Perisa, .....not the first King who teamed with the Mede's, but the fourth Persian King ruling with them. The last king during the Medo/Persian reign. The answer is revealed in Daniel Chapter 11; Daniel 11:2 And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia. And there it is, revealing who the bear is in Dan chapter 7. It's this fourth king of Persia who would die after stirring up Alexander of the Grecians. The three ribs are the three kings before him. I hope this helps to shed some light.

Hi Stormy Monday It should read like this; Babylon = Head of Gold Medo-Persia = Breast and Arms of silver Grecian = Belly and Thighs of brass Rome = Legs of iron. I'll stop there. Medo and Persia consisted of 2 kings but they were one kingdom. Their kingdom only lasted to where the breast finished. Daniel 2:32 This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass, Daniel 2:33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay. Daniel 2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

Greetings An example of 'not seeing death' would be going through a gruesome suffering (for the Lords sake) and consciously not being present with the body or connected to the flesh. Remember Stephen? At the start of his persecution when his enemies rose up against him, God gave him a vision and he was taken in the spirit to the heavenly realm. He stayed in that spirit state, separated from his body until he was killed. The Lord sent him a distraction so he would not feel the pain or sorrow, therefore he 'did not see death' but only visions of the kingdom. Acts 7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, Acts 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Shilohsfoal The 1260 days is 3 1/2 years. It's not speaking about the 3 1/2 years that is to come, but what already came. History for us now. The 'woman' was hid in the wilderness for 3 1/2 years after Jesus died and ascended. Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. (The ascension) Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (This didn't happen over 2000 years later, but straight away after Christ rose) Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, (This war happened when Jesus ascended) Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. (Satan and his angels cast out of heaven that very same day Jesus ascended) Revelation 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 3.5 years. God's 'doctrine' is 'nourished' ***for a time***by being kept alive through being taught to the apostles, preserved by the apostles and preached by the apostles. Letters written, copies made, testimonies given. Secret meetings. Satan could not get access to the NT to corrupt it,...not for those 3.5 years. It had to be established first untainted. Revelation 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. Satan sends out the armies to kill these apostles in order to drown out the spoken word. Revelation 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. All this in 3.5 years. Apostles taught, given wisdom and understanding, and receiving spiritual gifts and power. Satan could not stop this from happening no matter how hard he tried. The earth hid these apostles from him. Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. This goes on until today. Yes, took me many years to finally understand this. The two witnesses are the only ones full of power during the tribulation to send as many plagues as they wish, and they are God's anointed meaning he has chosen them for this job, and they are holy and righteous, not wicked as you suggest. This is judgement time when the world receives God's wrath and he has chosen these two to demonstrate not their own power but his. What I get is that these two witnesses are very holy, and God is using them to punish Babylon just like he used Moses and Aaron to send the plagues and free his people. I also understand that Babylon consists of the whole world and not just Israel, and the saints are spread throughout the whole earth. The trouble only starts in Israel and then spreads throughout the whole earth. Strange translation. It's not 100% accurate. Part of the flood.

Shiloahsfoal Thanks for the discussion. It has been most interesting. And for anyone following our conversation, what I am trying to convey is that Lucifer was indeed a created angel, and not just any angel but a high ranking angel called a cherub. Lucifer was the name given to this angel because of his brightness as he was given much wisdom and beauty above all angels which is why is was called 'Son of the Morning' and stood out from amongst the other cherubs and angels. His name is not Lucifer now however, because that brightness once in him has fully turned to darkness, but is called Satan or the Devil, or the Dragon, and in this proverb of Isaiah 14, God calls him the King of Babylon. He is also addressed as the King of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:12), and the Assyrian (Isaiah 10:5, 24, 14:25) because Satan has always been the true king of all his empires through working and manipulating the kings of the nations, and he is the chief enemy of God, and of Christ and of all saints and men. But everything must be taken in context of the proverbs or lamentations. We have been given things to understand about history which actually happened, and things to understand of the spirit through God's speech which is on a deeper level of understanding. And just as God has the power to transform man into spirit at the resurrection, he also has the power to transform wicked angels into men and to judge them like men, and kill them like men. With their spiritual abilities and form stripped from them, they will be seen just like man, weak, but of a lower degree, and without mercy because they know better and have seen God and heard his voice and have partaken of the heavenly realm, but deceived us.....and Satan who was once called Lucifer holding the highest office will reduced to the lowest of the low and will die like a man in judgement. Remember the angels that showed themself to Lot as men? They transformed themselves into flesh. Imagine if they were not allowed to turn back into their true form, and had to stay in that human form? Well this would not happen with the holy angels, but with the wicked angels they will be reduced to human form without any power and die like men when judgement comes for them. God is turning everything around, and we will one day witness such amazing things.

Babylon consists of all the kingdoms of the world. These kingdoms belong to Satan. He runs the chaos. Satan is the true King of his kingdom, which is Babylon. Satan runs the king of the North and the King of the South. I also believe that it is possible the king of the north today is NATO. In the past it was Rome. Satan cannot operate without his kingdoms. I'm confused about who you think the King of the North is today? Is it an Israeli king, or a dead king of the past because you've implied both when you mentioned Moloch? I say the proverb was not speaking of a fleshly king, but about Lucifer...that King who works behind the scenes and operates most wickedly, because the scriptures in that chapter state who God was really addressing, and you did not address this, but went out of context, so please address why God mentioned Lucifer just after he mentioned the King of Babylon? The false Prophet/Son of perdition will enforce the Mark when he comes with all his armies. I do not believe that Benjamin Netanyahu is the False Prophet/Son of Perdition no matter what he says. He doesn't fit the bill.

Do you trust the scriptures or Roman folklore? It is written. God called Lucifer the Son of the morning (no star) and Jesus is called the bright and morning star. It doesn't matter what man says, because Satan has infiltrated the truth, and spread it to the ends of the earth. So what God says is what goes. How can that truth be distorted when it is written? Is it justified to imply that Lucifer is also called the morning star and given the same title as Jesus just because folklore says it's so?

If you could address those scriptures I posted you that would be great. We could stay in context. Jesus is the bright and morning star. Lucifer never had this title but likes to exalt himself over all the stars of God. God called Lucifer 'Son of the Morning' ....there's a big difference. This is how Satan likes to distort the truth. Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. compare..... Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Go with God's definitions. It is more trustworthy. Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

The two witnesses were not around back then. All this happened after Jesus ascended. We had the apostles for witnesses. The truth was protected and preserved and preached. Since then Satan has sent a flood after the woman doing everything in his power to destroy that truth and that truth is still with us today. Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

And yet God already showed us who this king of Babylon is - Lucifer. I did not write the scriptures. I just read them. What else can I say? Isaiah 14 does not mention anything about the two witnesses, and this king of Babylon has affected the whole world from beginning to end with his land. The land of confusion, the land of war, the land of oppression filled with his kingdoms. All of them. Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: (who said that?) Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Isaiah 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Isaiah 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; (which man? Who is God addressing again? - go back to verse 12) Isaiah 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? (who made the world a wilderness? and did not let his prisoners out? What prisoners?) Look at the bigger picture.