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  1. Sister

    Who are the 144,000...?

    Quasar93 You are very loved dear brother.
  2. Sister

    Who are the 144,000...?

    Quasar93 Dear brother, I wasn't trying to be smart when I said I could read English. God ordained the KJV when he stirred up the heart of King James to have the scriptures translated by a carefully selected team of experts in their field..and under strict conditions. God used the power of a king to give permission for all this to be accomplished, so that we can just pick up and read. All I am saying is that God's hand was on this process. The scholars to carry out God's work were already chosen by God himself.. This doesn't mean that King James and the scholars were super holy men, but their skills and the power of a king qualified to give authority for all this fulfilled God's will so that the scriptures could be made available to all. God chose the English language for all this to be accomplished in. So all the hard work was done already. Now all we have to do is pick up the KJV, and read what the spirit is saying. God did not give us the authority to reinterpret what he already accomplished over and over and over again. Look how many self appointed translators we have today? All doubting that the Word first delivered to us is pure, sending us in circles and taking away from what the spirit is truly saying.
  3. Sister

    Who are the 144,000...?

    Quasar93 Thank you for your reply but I can understand the meaning in English. God does not expect us to all be scholars when it comes to his word as he gives it to the simple, and unlearned. No offence, I have had this conversation before with others and it just went on and on and on. They start with attacking the KJV, then try to show they have superior knowledge because they can look up a few words in Greek or took a class 20 years ago only to try and bog me down. I trust my KJV and that's all I will say. I believe that every single word in there was translated exactly the way God wanted it delivered. If we havn't got this common grounding it's no use debating. I am not going to let anyone beguile me into doubting his words in my bible.
  4. Sister

    Who are the 144,000...?

    Your closest friendnt Your English is good but I will help you out a little here friend I'm not sure what you mean by US, GB? Christ is their Savior but they don't know it yet, therefore cannot call upon him. That 2nd temple which took 49 years to build, was destroyed by the Romans in 70AD. Yes some Jews followed Christ, but because of persecutions many departed because of fear. The few Jews that did follow didn't make an impact, because it was in God's plan that the gentiles come in. Nothing was left in the hands of fate. God has masterminded the whole plan.
  5. Sister

    Who are the 144,000...?

    Hi Quasar93 2 Thess does not mean what you imply. Jesus will not come until the falling away comes first and the Son of Perdition is revealed (to the world). This will not happen all in a day, therefore that's why we have to seek from the scriptures to find out what happens in between the falling away, and the Coming. There is a whole chunk there that you are missing. Thess 2 is just a quick summary. The Son of Perdition who exalts himself above all, will be shown at Christ's coming how weak he really is. Not a god after all, but just a wicked lying deceiver. Revealed. Costume taken off. Props taken and stripped bare. This is when he is revealed, then thrown straight into the lake of fire.
  6. Sister

    Who are the 144,000...?

    Montana Marv This is how I see it; The 144K are sealed before the tribulation begins. Just before God starts harming the earth with the 7 plagues. The 10 Tribes were scattered because of disobedience, and the other 2 tribes had fell also after them. The temple destroyed in 70ad because of God's anger, so no more tribes following the Lord. Christ is rejected. After 2nd WW, all tribes called back into Israel, and God sends hunters to round them up and return them to their land They are fished out from all over the earth and called back. Still rejecting Christ, and no light, .....sins increase not decrease. Meantime, Gentiles are accepting Christ in droves and spreading the gospels at an accelerated rate. Israel still refuses their Messiah and wants nothing to do with him. They currently do not know what all the fuss is about. Gentiles are following a Jew, therefore they become spiritual Jews, for Jesus is a Jew whom they follow, their master. Jesus shows by example what a true Jew truly means, and that is to be like him, righteous and holy, and makes it clear that no man can come to the Father but by through him and him only. The word Jew spiritually takes on a new meaning and whoever follows Jesus will receive the promise of salvation at his Coming. Salvation is of the Jews. One must be a spiritual Jew in order to receive this, because now it's according to the heart, and not according to the letter. All who follow Jesus are now called saints and will take part in the resurrection at his return whether Jew or Gentile. Unbelievers including Israel will miss out. Israel will be put through the mill, and their enemies will come in and oppress them. God is teaching them that without Christ they will only run into trouble, and nothing but war. Israel remain relaxed to this this day, totally unaware of what is soon coming. God is sending "watchers" to constantly remind them of their fall and to return to God, preaching all the words of the prophets who reveal God's anger, and what he will do if they do not repent. Israel only concentrate on the good prophecies, but the warnings they ignore. The enemy does all in his power to keep them in a deep sleep. All will be fulfilled as spoken, and Israel's oppression will come, but God will not forget his people. After they have received their punishment, the Lord will have mercy on Israel once again, and deliver them from their enemies when he brings on Armageddon. In one day the Lord will save Israel, and that last day will be the day of his Coming. Israel will be given mercy and only a "remnant" will be spared and brought into the kingdom to be taught the Lord Jesus Christ. Out of the old tribes, only the remnants chosen (of the election of grace) will be raised out of their graves also and brought into the kingdom. They will live again, and all be flesh. Israel will multiply like the sand of the sea again, but this time under Christ, and will continue for 10 generations during the millennium. The saints will rule over Israel with Christ and will become "Judah" of Royal blood, which is according to Christ's seed. Israel will in turn rule over the gentile nations, and become a light to the nations because of Christ's teachings. After this Israel will receive their new bodies and be "changed" into spirit at the second resurrection. Those out of the tribes who were not called back into the kingdom during the millennium, will be judged with the heathen at the White Throne Judgement. God's promise will be kept, but not in the order men make out it's to be, for all must take place according to God's plan. The first will be last, and the last will be first. Repentance must come first. Mercy is that chance to be spared to make atonement by changing the heart to produce good fruits. This cannot be done in the grave but can only be done when truth is learn't and practised. The old covenant was done away with when Christ died on the Cross. Israel did not recognise the new Covenant, therefore God will make a new one with them at the start of the millennium. They will only understand then, for they will witness the power of Christ, the one they rejected, who came to save them as prophesied, and will be in great mourning for him, ...eager to please him, ready to start a new page. Not one of them will fail for all will be filled with the spirit of Christ.
  7. Sister

    Who are the 144,000...?

    Montana Marv Right, now we are getting somewhere when we actually discuss. This is good, I agree. Yes agreed. Out of all the survivors of the nations, Israel will be the leading nation, the centre Hub, and most anointed of all the nations. They will lead all the nations because the law of truth will come out from there. They will be like the police of the world. All authority is given to them. Isaiah 1:26 And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city. I am not re-writing this book or adding anything other in there..... but giving my own private interpretation on something, which you all do, whether it's your own interpretation or someone elses. However, you might want to take this matter up with the authors of the new bible translations, and accuse them before the Lord. Yes, I'm not 100% however, just thinking on it, because God uses so much symbolism in the book of Rev. Some are obvious, but others can be so subtle. Thanks for wishing the plagues on me. Use right judgment Montana. I have only an interpretation concerning the spiritual.
  8. Sister

    Who are the 144,000...?

    What happened to Samaria? Did they suddenly become pure Israel again? or did they keep breeding out, and venture into new lands, starting new nations?
  9. Sister

    Who are the 144,000...?

    wingnut Thank you I love you too brother. We can never know everything, every one is given their different measure. But Christ does say seek and ye shall find. We found him, we received the milk, so what next? we go to the solids. I have had plenty of questions and spent a lifetime trying to solve. If one has not many questions then he is not truly seeking. God has left many things in his Word that he wants us to explore further. He's left clues for us all over the scriptures to keep seeking. Some answers are not in the Canon. They are just not there. He has hidden it somewhere else for us to find. He will lead us there if we are hungry and will show us. I know what faith means, and without this I wouldn't even bother. Faith does not mean to just be content with what you have by going over the same things again and again, but moving forward, and really being fed with the Word of God - where ever it is, forever learning, sharpened. Psalms 119:162 I rejoice at thy word, as one that findeth great spoil. He doesn't want us to be stagnant wingut, nor to depend on men, because Zion has been taken by force by the Shepherds for hire. They are keeping the flock in captivity. Touch not, taste not. In Christ we are free to explore everything and weigh it up. You guys are trying to take away our liberty thinking you are protecting us, and thinking you do God a favour? Let us decide for ourselves. If something contradicts the scriptures, then say so, point it out. Out of the Jewish people there are God's chosen....all the prophets, and Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, King David etc. As for the rest, no, they turned their back on God and were not entrusted to deliver us truth. Look at what they did to Christ? Do you really think that Christ is going to put the living Word in their hands? The apostles yes. The other scholars no. They are enemies of the gospel, and these books always mention Christ and Israel's fall. They only want to be prophesied nice things, and this just happens to highlight the not so nice things which agree with the Canon. The RCC is not more powerful than God, I never said that, ..but they are pretty powerful on the world stage in this kingdom of Satan,... you would have to agree. God does preserve and deliver his Word. Where did I say otherwise? All in the Canon is his Word. Preserved so that we can have today. His Word is also in Enoch, Jasher, Esdras, Gad, Books of Adam and Eve, the 12 Patriachs, and many more. Most copies were preserved in the Quamran caves, and found so that we can receive today. Psalms 68:11 The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it. Psalms 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness. You are no longer talking to me now, but talking over me to others about me, in this very same conversation. Who said God can't preserve parchment? I'm not sure where you are going here? I am not accusing you of anything, but saying we should be careful what we declare as false. Some do it unknowingly without even carefully looking at what is quoted or even reading it at all.. Have you actually read what was quoted, or are you just reacting to my personal comments? Show me where Esdras spoke untruth? Please, if this book is false and dangerous, then show me what was said that contradicts truth. That's all I'm asking. I know about the genealogies. I have pages and pages of them all studied and written down. In fact I've probably studied them more than most on here, but that's not the point. The point I am making, and I did say I wasn't 100% sure, is that the 12 tribes of Israel have nothing to do with the resurrection at Christ's coming. Two different promises. One concerns the flesh, and a physical land to dwell, multiplying and having children, living a ripe old age, and dying at 100yrs. ......and the other, concerns the spirit - being changed at the resurrection, or quickened. Becoming like one of the angels. Spirit. Can never reproduce again, and can never die again. Inheriting the whole kingdom of God, and his whole realm, not just a little piece of land, and being taught/corrected. There's a big difference. The 12 tribes of Israel will be brought back into the kingdom in "the flesh", meaning they are not part of the resurrection, but still part of the promise. I can prove this from the Canon alone. All my knowledge in this came from the Canon, I can't express this enough. God will make a new covenant with the house of Israel when Christ returns, so this means that the old covenant will be changed, and if the old covenant is changed, then those 12 tribes mentioned in Rev 7 is changed also.
  10. Sister

    Who are the 144,000...?

    Hi Hazard Yes they were lost spiritually, but also physically because the tribes were scattered and broken up....no more tribes, they were intermingled with the Gentiles and now called Samaria.
  11. Sister

    Who are the 144,000...?

    wingnut These jewels that you consider yourself not worthy enough to receive are very precious to me. Everything is a learning curve. I am more interested in learning than flapping my gums to tell you the truth. These books were rejected to block the flock from solving a few mysteries. You don't have to accept these books. No one is forcing you. I am just interested in what you found in Esdras that is not truth. He obviously speaks of Christ and Armageddon. He mentions the destruction of those armies and the power of Christ at his return. This was written so long ago and way before Christ came. I find everything he wrote to be pretty spot on, and some of it I don't understand yet but seeking understanding. He who is not for us is against us. If someone speaks about those things mentioned in the Canon and it matches perfectly then why would you call him a liar? If someone stands up in church and gives their testimony, I bet you believe everything they say?, .what about your pastor? ..so why not Esdras who sheds so much more wisdom and is a prophet of God. Esdras is Ezra, the same guy. The RCC has done everything in their power to block most of these books, and the ones they've accepted they don't understand themselves. These books offfend the Jews more than anyone because it mentions the Son of God, and they say God has no son. So whether the RCC are known for not encouraging people to search the scriptures for themselves, they have not affected me in the slightest, because I know my shepherds voice. I will look at everything and weigh it out. Believe me I did not go searching for these books, but they came to me in the most unusual way. Having said that, I always refer to the Canon. The Canon is the heart and the core of my belief, so wonderful and full of truth. Howbeit, God is not bound to just the Canon. Where ever there is truth, God is there. To hear of truth and claim to others it is a lie.... is blasphemy of the holy spirit. So we must be careful. Whatever I perceive and put together is just me, I can make mistakes, but the Word given is true. 2 Esdras Chapter 14 28 Hear these words, O Israel. 29 Our fathers at the beginning were strangers in Egypt, from whence they were delivered: 30 And received the law of life, which they kept not, which ye also have transgressed after them. 31 Then was the land, even the land of Sion, parted among you by lot: but your fathers, and ye yourselves, have done unrighteousness, and have not kept the ways which the Highest commanded you. 32 And forasmuch as he is a righteous judge, he took from you in time the thing that he had given you. 33 And now are ye here, and your brethren among you. 34 Therefore if so be that ye will subdue your own understanding, and reform your hearts, ye shall be kept alive and after death ye shall obtain mercy. 35 For after death shall the judgment come, when we shall live again: and then shall the names of the righteous be manifest, and the works of the ungodly shall be declared. 36 Let no man therefore come unto me now, nor seek after me these forty days. 37 So I took the five men, as he commanded me, and we went into the field, and remained there. 38 And the next day, behold, a voice called me, saying, Esdras, open thy mouth, and drink that I give thee to drink. 39 Then opened I my mouth, and, behold, he reached me a full cup, which was full as it were with water, but the colour of it was like fire. 40 And I took it, and drank: and when I had drunk of it, my heart uttered understanding, and wisdom grew in my breast, for my spirit strengthened my memory: 41 And my mouth was opened, and shut no more. 42 The Highest gave understanding unto the five men, and they wrote the wonderful visions of the night that were told, which they knew not: and they sat forty days, and they wrote in the day, and at night they ate bread. 43 As for me. I spake in the day, and I held not my tongue by night. 44 In forty days they wrote two hundred and four books. 45 And it came to pass, when the forty days were filled, that the Highest spake, saying, The first that thou hast written publish openly, that the worthy and unworthy may read it: 46 But keep the seventy last, that thou mayest deliver them only to such as be wise among the people: 47 For in them is the spring of understanding, the fountain of wisdom, and the stream of knowledge. 48 And I did so.
  12. Sister

    Who are the 144,000...?

    Montana Marv Firstly I just want to say let the Lord Jesus Christ be exalted in this conversation. You ask where did I come up with this garbage in regards to the 12 tribes losing all benefits and privileges? Let me assure you that all the promises made to Abraham will be kept, and Israel will receive salvation during the millennium, but until then, Israel placed a curse upon themselves when they crucified the Messiah. They are still to this day, without the light, without a saviour and without a sanctuary where they can dwell in for truth. They must go through what God has planned for them before mercy can be given. They have to see their fall before they can be corrected. There are no 12 tribes today of Israel that will take first place in the reigning of the kingdom, as this will be given to Christ and his saints. The promise is salvation. At Christ's coming, those who have trusted and walked with him will be given the honour whether they are Jew or Gentile, and they will be the resurrected saints. God is a fair God, and he does not reward disobedience with the highest honours. Therefore I believe that those 12 tribes of Israel in Rev 7, slightly different from the 12 tribes mentioned in the OT, symbolise Christians now, and not the original carnal blood tribes. Do you realise that physical Israel will enter holy Jerusalem in the flesh? They will still receive the promises, but not yet, for the first will be last and last first. All will be done in perfect timing. I am sorry if my view offends you or anyone else. I am not dictating to you or anyone what to believe, but you jumped in and I actually wanted to have this conversation with Hobie but don't know where he's gone. I am interested in his thoughts and would like to compare some things.
  13. Sister

    Who are the 144,000...?

    Hazard Please let me explain something to you. A couple of weeks ago I was going through the book of 2 Esdras with a friend. He pointed something out to me that was quite interesting. I have been pondering on it a lot lately, and still trying to get my head around it. I am not 100% on this point, but when Hobie who started this fine post, ...caught my attention when he wrote this; Now this is what I read in Esdras which has been on my mind; My friend pointed out to me that everything that happened in OT has a symbolic meaning also, and that this group of Israelite's who became Samarians (mixed), which never kept their statues in their own land, moved on to a further country where no man ever dwelt, (which is God's country, that spiritual land called Zion where there is truth) and started keeping the commandments of God. They became the gentiles,...not all the gentiles, but a special people made up of gentile individuals "scattered" abroad, but united by the same faith and the same truth,... who believe in the Lord and follow in his Word, going right up to the end generations. So the 10 lost tribes of Israel, have become the Gentiles. Their seed is of Israel, but they are mixed and not classed as Israel, but called Gentiles now. The 10 lost tribes = ex Israel, now believing Gentiles, but wait, there's two more tribes. Now this makes sense to me; James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. If Israel were cut off because of unbelief, and the gospels went out to the Gentiles instead, then why address this to the old tribes? That doesn't make sense for they are not going to hear these words. Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. The twelve tribes are now Gentiles, root is of Israel still going way way back, but are drawn back to God. The lost are now found again. But this same "another" peaceful multitude that Esdras mentioned are those of the resurrection. They are not perfect, they have their flaws which is why they come to him sad, bound, etc......because......they erred. Spots on their garments. If you will notice, they are resurrected "AFTER Christ destroys the ARMIES of MEGIDO, which perfectly matches with Rev 20. The main resurrection is AFTER Satan is locked up, after his enemies destroyed, but before that ONLY THE 144K are with Christ on MT ZION BEFORE he destroys the ARMIES. Can you see the two gatherings in Esdras? The 144K that are picked out of the 12 tribes, and are now JUDAH & BENJAMIN. (together they are called Judah) They are the ROYAL kings and priests, ..the brightest stars, and the firstfruits of the whole bunch. They are that mountain that the Lord graved out for himself when his enemies were assembling against him. This small group, who will lead with him in the Kingdom are the 144K, and now Judah after they are taken to meet Christ. I hope this all makes sense to you. I am going very deep here. Like I said, I am not 100%, but this is where my thoughts are. It could change tomorrow. I am pondering only and sharing my thoughts with you because you are not interested in just attacking everything I say.
  14. Sister

    Who are the 144,000...?

    Montana Marv The 70 "weeks" finished when the temple that they were waiting on, was built then destroyed again. 70 weeks over, gone, bye bye. Because of this, nothing but desolations (abominations) until the coming. This does not mean that the 70th week is coming, it means that Israel is cut off from the Messiah, and is in darkness (blindness) still because of that rejection of Christ. The 70 weeks prophecy is true, but the mainstream interpretation of it is off track. Israel were given 70 weeks to get it right with God, and they failed when the cornerstone came. Their punishment was the taking away of that temple they waited so long for. They made that temple their sanctuary, but without truth it was worth nothing, so God made sure it was destroyed. This ended the 70 weeks. That prophecy is fulfilled. Other prophecies to be fulfilled now.
  15. Sister

    Who are the 144,000...?

    Hazard This has truly been a hard one and many years of weighing everything out given to us in scripture, for me at least. This is what I have discovered. There are no 12 tribes today. What was offered to Israel (reconciliation) they rejected and God called in the gentiles to receive the promises instead. Is this not what scripture tells us? Israel are still Israel, there is no taking that away, but because of their refusal to come to Christ, they lost all benefits and privileges, therefore what was offered to them has been taken off them and given to another. Rev 7 is a metaphor. The 12 tribes are replaced by those who accept Christ whether Jew or Gentile. Out of those 12 tribes, contain the cream of the crop who are called out and made separate. This is the 144K. Israel do not get first prize for rejecting Christ, however they do get mercy at "the Coming", when they are delivered from their enemies (only a remnant), and then brought into the kingdom during the start of the millennium to live, ...even then they will only live "in the flesh". Many scriptures can confirm this, but ignored. They will be taught Christ from basic, and will be fed properly growing into a strong godly nation again. Prior to this, they have never followed the Lamb, but the opposite, .....because they rejected him. Of course there are few of Israel that converted to Christ, and they are mixed up as one with the gentiles, all having the same heart for Christ, these are all contained in the 12 tribes. These new tribes of the "children" of the tribes of Israel will receive a new resurrected or quickened body. The remnants of Israel will not, ...until the 2nd resurrection a thousand years later. Why my interpretation causes such a stir is because it goes against the main doctrine taught to us by "men". Jewish Christians like to think they are superior, and the Gentile Christians mainly teach a mass rapture before the tribulation. If the gentiles actually admit to the 144K being neither Jew nor Greek, then they have to admit that they have fallen short somewhere, because there's a small group dressed in white who are chosen to be the firstfruits. Not all can be in the 144K number. Esdras sheds a little light, but so far not one of you are interested in what this prophet of God has to say about the situation. He has given some big clues, but we prefer to stay in the dark and make some noise instead, only to add to the confusion.
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