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  1. Hi BeauJangles I thought of Jesus on the cross, and at the 6th hour, darkness came upon the land. Jesus died at the 9th hour. That time of darkness made me wonder if Adam sinned in the 6th hour, and was cut off from the garden in the 9th hour. Adam wouldn't of needed to know the time, but God knows everything. He knew how long it would take for man to sin. Yes I would point to that. Adam sinned as soon as he ate that fruit. He disobeyed a simple commandment, and that's all it took for his downfall. No I never heard anyone say that?
  2. This is just a punt ok. 6 - man created on the 6th day. 6 - the hour man had sinned. 6 - the number of millenia's under man's dominion.
  3. Thank you Revelation Man for your thoughts on this. I am glad you know that we don't go straight to heaven when we die. We first heard about paradise here; Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. Then we learned here that paradise is also called the third heaven; 2 Corinthians 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 2 Corinthians 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 2 Corinthians 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
  4. Hi Revelation Man There is nothing in the bible that pinpoints where the third heaven is. All I have seen is interpretations of where man thinks it might be. The bible does not state that the third heaven is the highest heaven. I proved to Marilyn that the third heaven, called paradise, could not be the highest heaven, because Jesus went there for three days when he died. Whilst in paradise, where he told the thief he was going "today", we find out later that Jesus had not yet ascended to the Father, as he told Mary. This proof, crystal clear, of Jesus' words proves that paradise/the third heaven is not the highest heaven. Now it can only mean one thing. Paradise/the third heaven is a holding bay for the dead. Jesus died, but three days later he rose from the dead. Is that not the basis of our faith? That Christ died and was raised three days later, conquering death? Now Marilyn accuses me of heresy - for laying out a fact that anyone can check. The common doctrine taught in the churches is that when we die, we go straight to heaven. I don't agree with this. If Jesus had not seen the Father during his three days in the grave, had not yet ascended until after Mary saw him, then why teach that we go straight to heaven, when it's obvious paradise/3rd heaven is not heaven itself, but beneath it. The resurrection happens on the appointed day. We were told in the scriptures not to be afraid of death, but everyone seems to be refusing to accept death. Death is not forever. It's a part of the process. Our day will come when death will be conquered in us also, at the resurrection of the saints. When we die, our souls are held in paradise, not hell. It's destined for a better place, a higher state. The reward is coming with Jesus at his return. He is bringing that reward with him.
  5. Ok, so please Marilyn, let me remind you what this is all about again. You said this; Yes, you wanted proof. I gave you this proof; Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Well actually, Christ and the saints will rule on and over the earth....for a thousand years. If you are still in doubt, I can give another scripture; Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Has Christ not inherited the earth also? After the 1000 years, this earth as we know it will be destroyed and renewed, so will heaven. At the resurrection of the saints we get to inherit everything as is, and what's to come. In case you misunderstand where I am coming from. It's not the earth we are attached to, it's the Kingdom of God and his will. His will is to give the nations a 1000 years of rest from the enemy. During this time they must be taught. God has given that job to Israel to spread the truth. Israel will be instructed by Christ and the saints. The saints were quickened to "spirit" at the resurrection. They will be working along side Christ. They will be like the angels who are invisible or can materialise. They will teach, lead, guide, organise, oversee, report, protect... doing exactly what God's angels are instructed to do now - but God's holy angels have their headquarters in heaven and they were are only servants and created for that purpose. They were never promised to rule with Christ or given the same authority as the saints. If we will be one with Christ, then doesn't it make sense that we can instruct them also, and deal with them personally? It's going to be a different era. Something completely different. We take over and clean up what man has messed up. Isn't that a wonderful privilege, to be in training now for this? all for Christ's glory? You mean these scriptures? "an inheritance Reserved in heaven" "laid up for you in heaven" "to sit in the heavenly places" "our citizenship is in heaven" Everything is from above. That doesn't prove to me that we will not reign on the earth with Christ. Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, Do you think that this is speaking to the dead? I think this is speaking to the living. This is encouragement for us. We are in that same kingdom now. Dwelling in it spiritually. It's not a worldly kingdom that we have entered into with devils, wicked men & lies, but a heavenly one with a different host. You quoted this; Ephesians 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? Ephesians 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) When did Christ ascend? Did he ascend whilst he was in paradise? Yes, I would like to elaborate a little. All go to the lower parts of the earth when we die. It's the lowest state, because death belongs down there. But even in death, our souls are sorted. One is preserved for judgement, and the other preserved for the resurrection. Paradise is reserved for the resurrection and is a higher place. It's still a place for the dead, but they wont be there forever. When we ascend, we go up. You have to be down here to ascend, ...so paradise/third heaven is not the highest heaven. Yes, we both agree, and I am sure you will agree now that Christ did not ascend whilst he was in paradise, but after he rose and saw Mary,... therefore paradise/3rd heaven is not the highest heaven and to be blunt, we are covering two topics now. Intermixing the two.
  6. Hi Marilyn I forgot to answer this quote this before. Please don't let it distract from those other scriptures for now. Please answer this reply after you reply to my first request, and take your time. Yes, we both agree that the thief and the Lord went to paradise - that same day. They both died. Yes, and because Jesus is the pre-eminence of everything, ..."the first", we know that it is impossible that any soul was being "held" in paradise before he got there, so naturally, Christ opened that door. Jesus was in paradise for only 3 days. He is not there anymore because he is risen. Paradise is a spiritual place for the dead. Christ is now alive. He is above that state or that place. Millions will be in paradise right now, and millions more to come in. Those in paradise are still dead awaiting their resurrection when all will meet the Lord in the air. ...in the clouds to be exact, inside the earth. They have already been sorted. None in paradise has been glorified with Christ, because they have not conquered death yet. That day is reserved for his 2 Coming when life is put back into them. All will glory together because the Lamb of God converted their souls to righteousness. Until then, they all are asleep in the land of the dead,...preserved with their names written in heaven (recorded in the book of life) and not stored in the land of the dead and damned who are to face judgement. Mount Sion is the kingdom of God. This is speaking to the living who come to this kingdom for guidance, and not the kingdom of the world. Our kingdom is a heavenly kingdom, it's got different rules and instructions compared to this world. This is what we are called into and should be dwelling in, ...this kingdom of righteousness which comes from above. It's speaking to the living who abide in the rules of this kingdom, who have entered it spiritually. It's ruled from heaven, but we are here on earth being instructed. We have also come to "the general assembly" and "church" of "the firstborn" which are "written" in heaven. We have come to the "church" of this kingdom. It's not a church made of brick and stone, but the church containing the truth. The dead are not in heaven already, but their names are recorded there. There's a big difference. We also enter into that kingdom where the spirits (the souls) of just men are made perfect", ...meaning they are converted, made holy. That's the kingdom we are called into. It's not saying we are in heaven already, but that our names are written in heaven. We have to be patient, our day is coming. We will get there. The dead know nothing right now.
  7. Hi Marilyn. We are Aussies. Aussies are very blunt people, down to earth. We call it as it is. I have been on these forums long enough to know that somebody will pick something personal you might you say, and make a big deal out of that instead of what the scripture says for itself. So just forget I prayed and asked the Lord for help, and what you replied, and what I replied to that, and instead please concentrate on those scriptures. By dancing around all the other scriptures I mean just concentrate on Luke 23:43 and John 20:17 because that is the proof in the pudding I am presenting. Ok. Thanks. Sorry. I don't agree with it. It doesn't say in the scriptures that the third heaven is the highest level where God's throne is. Sorry, I am frustrated that's all. To me it's real clear what the scriptures are telling us. In fact it's so plain and simple, that I don't know why I didn't see it before.
  8. That's right, because even someone in their delusion could think they heard from God. After I posted my answer to you, I regretted telling you that I prayed and asked for him to show me something more solid in his Word, because I knew this was going to be attacked. Just trying to show you that when settling a matter, we have to go back to the drawing board. That's what I claim the spirit led me to do. You said that the 3rd heaven was the highest heaven. You gave me some body else's diagram of how they interpret it. You are attracted to their interpretation, I am not. I want facts, not presumptions. That's right. That's why I gave you those scriptures, so we can look at them again. See my answer above. If you ask, and are led, and by taking a look again with fresh eyes, you suddenly see the connection that 1 + 1 = 2, which cannot be disputed, then you have received. When we receive, it doesn't come from us, but was given to us to share amongst all. Paul was "caught up" into the spirit realm. Now, are going to go back and look at those scriptures again or dance around all the other scriptures when the answer is exactly here? Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. Jesus died that day. He had not yet been to see the Father. We know this for sure, because when he rose three days later - he said this to Mary; John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. For the love of the truth, please explain?
  9. Hi Marilyn The story of Abraham's bosom is just a parable, an example written as a story to illustrate that when we die, it is already determined where our souls will be stored. After death, there can be no repentance. It must be done whilst we are alive. We cannot cross over from damnation to salvation in the grave or the other way around. That's the point of the story and Jesus used Abraham, Lazarus, the rich man and the poor man as his main characters. Test everything; Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, Hebrews 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. Hebrews 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven: We can go all over the scriptures, to many places, but before I answered you yesterday, I prayed and asked the Father to bring to my rememberance all the words that were spoken in the holy scriptures for our instruction, and to show me proof without a doubt that the third heaven, which Paul told us is called "paradise" is not the where God's throne is. What I showed you, is what the spirit revealed to me, and praise the Lord, my answer was not rehearsed, but given straight from the Lord and I saw that scripture with new eyes regarding paradise and the third heaven. So for the love of the truth, and not for the love of our doctrine, the spirit (not me), showed us that when Jesus died, he was in paradise for three days. On the morning of his resurrection he had not yet ascended to the Father, (Jesus own words), which shows us that when he was in paradise for three days, their was no reunion, for he was not risen yet, therefore paradise is not the highest heaven where God's throne is, but a place for the dead souls who are to be reserved for the resurrection. After Jesus saw Mary, he obviously ascended to the Father, because that same evening, he met with his apostles and Thomas touched him. So Luke 23:43 and John 20:17 hold the key to this mystery, because the truth is in the word, and that's why everything that was written was written, so that we can seek and find true doctrine.
  10. Hi Marilyn 2 Corinthians 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. I get how you can see it, but it's only speculation. One thing we know for sure is that this third heaven is called "paradise". So lets follow the trail of paradise; Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. Jesus died that day. He had not yet been to see the Father. We know this for sure, because when he rose three days later - he said this to Mary; John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Seeing as Jesus knew he was going to the grave "that day", and promising the thief whom he forgave that he would be with him in the same place (paradise), that same day,.....doesn't this show us something? Paradise is a holding bay for dead souls! Jesus went there too! If your soul is placed in paradise when you die, you will return from the grave at the appointed time. And if Jesus had not ascended to his Father that morning on the day he was risen, then the third heaven (paradise) cannot be where God's throne is. Paradise is lower than heaven. It's beneath heaven. It's a higher realm yes,...and it's a spiritual place, but it is not where God abides or else Jesus would not have said what he said.
  11. Hi marilyn The only scripture that speaks about the third heaven is here; 2 Corinthians 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 2 Corinthians 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 2 Corinthians 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 2 Corinthians 12:5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities. 2 Corinthians 12:6 For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me. 2 Corinthians 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. These scriptures are given to catch what Paul is really saying in the spirit,.... if you look at it carefully , what he is showing us is that Paul, himself, was that man who was taken up to the third heaven (called paradise), and given a vision (a revelation) that he was not allowed to utter (reveal). The reason why he did not reveal directly that the man taken up was him, is because he did not want to be glorified as the only apostle who received "the abundance of the revelations", because all were shown, but not all chosen to "reveal" what he saw. If there is a third heaven, there must be a first, second, and possibly more levels. Where does it say that the third heaven is the highest? Why would we just presume that it stops there? Regardless of what I've said, the only place that mentions the third heaven in the Canon is here. It says nothing about Christ and his saints ruling from up there. The message Paul gave was a subtle one referring to the fact that he was taken there to paradise, whether in spirit alone, or with his body, he didn't know - but that he was shown things he could not utter, because he didn't want men to glorify him more than the other apostles. He knew not to reveal what he saw in that vision. That's the crux of the story anyway, and if you read further down, Paul got an ailment, to make him humble and he realised that God would not rid him of that annoyance just because he received the vision. And I don't see it as proof for your claim that Christ will rule in heaven with his saints just because Paul was taken to the third heaven and given a vision. Paradise is the heavenly kingdom of God on earth. It started in a garden with two people. Then it became a city. At the end it will cover the earth. It doesn't mean it's his throne room, but is of his realm. Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Is says "on" the earth. Not over. He gave us the location of where the saints will be. Why not just simply believe what it says? Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. How so? Do you mean because they will just suddenly disappear in a rapture? How do you fall at someone's feet and worship them if they are not here? Isaiah 30:20 And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers: Israel do not currently accept the Body of Christ's teachers. Christ teachers are the Apostles. The new testament to them is a made up story, and Christ's elect are nothing to them. This is speaking about the change when Christ returns. The chapter compares the rebellion to the mercy. Now, compared to what's to come. He is speaking to Israel as a people and a nation, not to individuals. Isaiah 30:26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.
  12. Hi Marilyn Sorry about that Sister. I understand what you are saying.
  13. When the 6th seal is opened it only gives a glimpse of the end of that stage, not the lead up to it. It shows us that the Lord has come, but has not striked yet. The 7th seal - gives all the details of the trumpets, showing the lead up to that scene above. This is why it shows the 7 angels coming out, because it's filling in the story. The angels only come out once but it looks like another 7 come out again when we get to Rev 15. But they are the same angels, and it's just giving more detail, for all the details are in the 7th seal - the revealing of what actually happens in the 6th seal from the first angel to the last.
  14. Hi Marilyn. I know you are a nice person and not your form to speak down to someone but you did tell him that what he was speaking was nonsense. We have to be patient with others because they are sharing what they believe from their heart. Sorry it's not for me to judge you, but I wanted to let him know that I am joining his discussion in peace. Marilyn At the resurrection, we have inherited all that our Lord Jesus Christ has inherited. Everything that has been given to him is also ours - heaven and earth. Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Where ever Christ is, that's where we will be. God's work on this earth is not finished. This is what the 1000 years is for. The cleaning up can only be done by those now qualified to reign with Christ. Those of the 1st resurrection have been changed into heavenly creatures and assist in establishing a heavenly kingdom on earth. Earth is where they are needed. Not heaven. Yes I do have a scripture, and I have had this conversation with you before; Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Isaiah 30:20 And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers: Who are those teachers? Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. This is just a figure of speech showing they will respect and be in fear of the Lord's chosen. It shows the saints are there before them.
  15. Hi WBO I am not replying to critisize you or make you feel small, because I can see that you have looked into the scriptures, and seen something wonderful, that is not often talked about. In fact, I tried to speak about this in 2001, and was met with such hostility from the Christian forums, because most were taught that after the Coming, the whole world will be destroyed and only those of the resurrection will live in heaven forever. Praise the Lord, that many can now see the picture a little more clearer, that after the 2nd Coming, there is much more work to be done by Christ before the earth is destroyed and renewed. All those who take place in the 1st resurrection at Christ's return will be changed to spirit. Through adopting and practicing the righteousness that Christ taught, they have received the crown of life which is ever lasting life. They are now perfected and cannot die, and officially accepted into the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God is an everlasting kingdom without end, but because man through Satan's influence has made such a mess of this earth and the justice system, it has to be cleaned up - not just the earth, but the souls of men and future generations that are to be born. After Christ returns, he will bound Satan in a prison for 1000 years and will take control over all the kingdoms and dominions of the earth. Christ is given all authority to rule on this earth for 1000 years with his saints. Crowns means "authority". Authority given from God and not man. The saints of the resurrection will have authority to rule with Christ. They are worthy now and qualified to be part of Christ's ruling system - for the healing of the nations. There will be survivors of the nations "after the 2nd Coming" that did not make it into the resurrection. They will still be flesh. They will live a ripe old age whether blessed or cursed, but they will die again. It's only during this 1000 years that the nations will multiply. The saints of the resurrection will not multiply because that's not their job. After the 1000 years is finished, the devil will be released from his prison for a short space, and men will be tested again to see if they can resist this evil that Satan will bring. This will finish with another war, and only after this will there be a second resurrection and final judgement. All those who were not part of the first resurrection - ie the dead from all generations, including the dead from the 1000 years under Christ's rule will be judged individually according to their works. After this, death and hell will be thrown into the lake of fire, meaning no more death ever again, and the Lord God will recreate a new heaven and earth. It will all be rolled into one and the earth will become heaven. After that we don't know what will happen in this next phase, as nothing is written about it.
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