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  1. Hi Jayne Thanks for taking the time to answer also. Please see my answer to Deborah on this question, how it stays in the family.
  2. Hi Deborah. Thank you for answering. Have you considered this scripture; Genesis 24:1 And Abraham was old, and well stricken in age: and the LORD had blessed Abraham in all things. Genesis 24:2 And Abraham said unto his eldest servant of his house, that ruled over all that he had, Put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh: Genesis 24:3 And I will make thee swear by the LORD, the God of heaven, and the God of the earth, that thou shalt not take a wife unto my son of the daughters of the Canaanites, among whom I dwell: Genesis 24:4 But thou shalt go unto my country, and to my kindred, and take a wife unto my son Isaac. Genesis 24:15 And it came to pass, before he had done speaking, that, behold, Rebekah came out, who was born to Bethuel, son of Milcah, the wife of Nahor, Abraham's brother, with her pitcher upon her shoulder. Terah begat Abraham and Nahor Genesis 22:20 And it came to pass after these things, that it was told Abraham, saying, Behold, Milcah, she hath also born children unto thy brother Nahor; Genesis 22:21 Huz his firstborn, and Buz his brother, and Kemuel the father of Aram, Genesis 22:22 And Chesed, and Hazo, and Pildash, and Jidlaph, and Bethuel. Genesis 22:23 And Bethuel begat Rebekah: these eight Milcah did bear to Nahor, Abraham's brother. All in the family! Now Jacob Genesis 28:1 And Isaac called Jacob, and blessed him, and charged him, and said unto him, Thou shalt not take a wife of the daughters of Canaan. Genesis 28:5 And Isaac sent away Jacob: and he went to Padanaram unto Laban, son of Bethuel the Syrian, the brother of Rebekah, Jacob's and Esau's mother. Genesis 28:6 When Esau saw that Isaac had blessed Jacob, and sent him away to Padanaram, to take him a wife from thence; and that as he blessed him he gave him a charge, saying, Thou shalt not take a wife of the daughters of Canaan; I am not sure why Bethuel is called the Syrian? Was it because of where he lived? or was his mother Milkah a Syrian? Going down the Rabbits hole Genesis 11:29 And Abram and Nahor took them wives: the name of Abram's wife was Sarai; and the name of Nahor's wife, Milcah, the daughter of Haran, the father of Milcah, and the father of Iscah. Genesis 11:26 And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran. Genesis 11:27 Now these are the generations of Terah: Terah begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran; and Haran begat Lot. Genesis 11:28 And Haran died before his father Terah in the land of his nativity, in Ur of the Chaldees. Genesis 11:29 And Abram and Nahor took them wives: the name of Abram's wife was Sarai; and the name of Nahor's wife, Milcah, the daughter of Haran, the father of Milcah, and the father of Iscah. Genesis 11:31 And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there. Genesis 11:32 And the days of Terah were two hundred and five years: and Terah died in Haran. Genesis 12:4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran. Genesis 12:5 And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came. I think we get the picture. It's all in the family, to keep the bloodline of Abraham, ...therefore marrying a caananite woman would contaminate their bloodline, and not only that, the women of Caanan were not serving the Living God but practiced different beliefs.
  3. I am going to paste the whole story so everyone can refresh, please read, it's not long, and I will ask some questions at the end. Genesis 38:1 And it came to pass at that time, that Judah went down from his brethren, and turned in to a certain Adullamite, whose name was Hirah. Genesis 38:2 And Judah saw there a daughter of a certain Canaanite, whose name was Shuah; and he took her, and went in unto her. Genesis 38:3 And she conceived, and bare a son; and he called his name Er. Genesis 38:4 And she conceived again, and bare a son; and she called his name Onan. Genesis 38:5 And she yet again conceived, and bare a son; and called his name Shelah: and he was at Chezib, when she bare him. Genesis 38:6 And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name was Tamar. Genesis 38:7 And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him. Genesis 38:8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. Genesis 38:9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. Genesis 38:10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also. Genesis 38:11 Then said Judah to Tamar his daughter in law, Remain a widow at thy father's house, till Shelah my son be grown: for he said, Lest peradventure he die also, as his brethren did. And Tamar went and dwelt in her father's house. Genesis 38:12 And in process of time the daughter of Shuah Judah's wife died; and Judah was comforted, and went up unto his sheepshearers to Timnath, he and his friend Hirah the Adullamite. Genesis 38:13 And it was told Tamar, saying, Behold thy father in law goeth up to Timnath to shear his sheep. Genesis 38:14 And she put her widow's garments off from her, and covered her with a vail, and wrapped herself, and sat in an open place, which is by the way to Timnath; for she saw that Shelah was grown, and she was not given unto him to wife. Genesis 38:15 When Judah saw her, he thought her to be an harlot; because she had covered her face. Genesis 38:16 And he turned unto her by the way, and said, Go to, I pray thee, let me come in unto thee; (for he knew not that she was his daughter in law.) And she said, What wilt thou give me, that thou mayest come in unto me? Genesis 38:17 And he said, I will send thee a kid from the flock. And she said, Wilt thou give me a pledge, till thou send it? Genesis 38:18 And he said, What pledge shall I give thee? And she said, Thy signet, and thy bracelets, and thy staff that is in thine hand. And he gave it her, and came in unto her, and she conceived by him. Genesis 38:19 And she arose, and went away, and laid by her vail from her, and put on the garments of her widowhood. Genesis 38:20 And Judah sent the kid by the hand of his friend the Adullamite, to receive his pledge from the woman's hand: but he found her not. Genesis 38:21 Then he asked the men of that place, saying, Where is the harlot, that was openly by the way side? And they said, There was no harlot in this place. Genesis 38:22 And he returned to Judah, and said, I cannot find her; and also the men of the place said, that there was no harlot in this place. Genesis 38:23 And Judah said, Let her take it to her, lest we be shamed: behold, I sent this kid, and thou hast not found her. Genesis 38:24 And it came to pass about three months after, that it was told Judah, saying, Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt. Genesis 38:25 When she was brought forth, she sent to her father in law, saying, By the man, whose these are, am I with child: and she said, Discern, I pray thee, whose are these, the signet, and bracelets, and staff. Genesis 38:26 And Judah acknowledged them, and said, She hath been more righteous than I; because that I gave her not to Shelah my son. And he knew her again no more. Genesis 38:27 And it came to pass in the time of her travail, that, behold, twins were in her womb. Genesis 38:28 And it came to pass, when she travailed, that the one put out his hand: and the midwife took and bound upon his hand a scarlet thread, saying, This came out first. Genesis 38:29 And it came to pass, as he drew back his hand, that, behold, his brother came out: and she said, How hast thou broken forth? this breach be upon thee: therefore his name was called Pharez. Genesis 38:30 And afterward came out his brother, that had the scarlet thread upon his hand: and his name was called Zarah. So many unanswered questions????? Why did Judah marry a Canaanite woman? (This was a not allowed) What was her name? Why was Judah’s first son Er wicked? What did he do? What reason did Judah's second son Onan have for not wanting to give his brother “seed”.? Why did Judah not keep his word and give his third son Shelah to marry Tamara? When Tamara was delivering her twins, what did it signify that the first baby (Pharez) retreated back and the second (Zarah) came out first? Was Tamar an Israelite or Caananite woman? I was wondering if anyone can answer these questions?
  4. His First I love this story. I am not going to ruin your post, because you are discussing the age thing, but I will make a fresh Post to discuss this story from another angle and see what responses I get. I hope you will meet me there.
  5. Hi Daniel are you speaking to me? (my keyboard is stuck) Rev 7:1-8 is about the 144,000 being "sealed". The angels are told not hurt the earth, the sea or any trees until these are "sealed". (just before the trumpets are blown) John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. How many sealed in the end times? Only 144,000. No more, no less. Only them. What about the rest of the saints? Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. Revelation 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. I am prepared for the tribulation and all the hardships that are coming, but as I see it, looks like only the 144,000 are going to be in safe hands during this period. Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. Revelation 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. Mt Sion is not just the name for a mountain, but it is the mountain of the Lord the 144,000 are standing on.... "the Kingdom of God" in heaven, before the throne.
  6. Hi Onelight No, I can't see the 144,000 as being the true bloodline of the 12 tribes. Some reasons for my view is that; The 144,000 follow the Lamb. They are "sealed" before the 7 Angels with the 7 plagues start. This means they are Christians of the end times, a small elite group. The scriptures tell us that because Israel rejected Christ, salvation has gone out to the gentiles, and this is all in God's plan so everyone gets a chance; Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. Israel has been blinded, and are enemies of the gospel. The bible tells us this. God has provoked Israel to jealousy to them who are not a nation (Romans 10:9) Now if Israel has been blinded and offended because of Christ, and God says, ok, you rejected my Son, now salvation will go out to the gentiles, and they will get your inheritance instead, then how does it make sense that Israel are the "firstfruits"? It doesn't make sense to me and goes against the doctrine preached to us. If any Jew believes in Christ he is one in Christ, and one with the gentiles because of "faith". There is no different between Jew or Greek. Isn't this supposed to tell us something? Then we read in Rev about the 144,000 being numbered out of the 12 tribes of Israel, and everybody says, oh, that's Israel, the first-fruits, which means the first fruits picked......the cream of the crop.......of the end times...... without taking into consideration many other scriptures and clues laid out for us, then we will see the wrong picture. The scriptures cannot contradict, or else we cannot rely on them for true doctrine and truth. The only thing that will now make sense is that the gentiles are grafted into the 12 tribes to receive the promises, yes all Christians, but out of all of them Christians, only 144,000 "chosen" to be the first-fruits. But I do know that there is a difference between Jew and gentile for all those "not in Christ". We know that God has reserved a remnant from Israel, and their part during the millennium will also be glorious. The only difference is that the remnants will be brought into the kingdom in the flesh, and the saints will be changed. Israel will still get their inheritance, but not first. They will go back into the garden where the tree of life is and there they will be taught Christ for a thousand years. So the 144,000 first-fruits cannot be Israel, because Israel are entering the kingdom in the flesh.
  7. Acts 20:32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified. Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. Colossians 3:24 Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.
  8. Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 1 Corinthians 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 1 Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 1 Corinthians 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Colossians 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
  9. When is Jesus Coming? Even though the Jews rejected Christ, they won't all be going to hell, because God has reserved a remnant. Not all Jews though, only those according to "the election of grace". The Jews will be brought back into the kingdom on earth (millennium) from all generations. The difference is they are saved by Mercy, not because of belief but because of God's promise to Abraham (his physical descendants) that Israel will be restored after the Messiah's return. They will be blessed by the Lord, and Christ will open their eyes. Having said that, there are many Jews before Christ that followed God with a pure heart, and kept all of God's commandments. They heard about their Messiah but did not personally know him nor suffered for Christ's sake. For this reason they cannot take part in the first resurrection. Not because of anything they did wrong, but because of that era they were born in, and God's plan. Before anyone can receive their "change" they have to be in Christ. "No man can come to the Father but by me" God is going to do a marvelous thing with Israel. They will be a light to the world. The other difference is that the Jews that will be brought back into the kingdom during the millennium, will be brought back in the flesh. This is a very touchy subject, and it upsets many. My viewpoint is similar to yours, and every one who's been on here for a while knows that. The 12 tribes of Israel are Jews, no doubt, but the 144,000 who are grafted into the 12 tribes are more likely gentiles. There could be Jews in that number, if they follow the Lamb, because when it comes to Christ all are one, and not divided by race, but by the heart of faith. They don't replace Israel, but are the first-fruits of all Christians - the firstfruits receive the promises first, the rest of the Christians are taken up after them. They are also grafted into the tribes. The apostles who are Jews, and the 24 elders are above the 144,000. Isaiah 61:5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers. Isaiah 61:6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves. Isaiah 61:7 For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them. see Rev 18:6, Jeremiah 17:8 1 Timothy 5:17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. The elders get double honour, also those who labour in the word and doctrine. There are only 144,00 sealed who follow Christ, no more. This could be anyone who's heart is for Christ. It doesn't mean that gentiles are excluded.
  10. Hi Retro Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Colossians 1:9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; 1 Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 1 Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
  11. Retro I have to explain in my own words, so you can know where I am coming from re Christ coming from Edom/Bozra. It comes down to only two lands where the whole world spiritually dwell. One, is that land of Zion, where the God fearing dwell, under the law of God and righteousness, an invisible city where there is faith and instruction. .....and the other is the land of Babylon, the material land where God is forgotten or not acknowledged because of the love for pleasing the flesh. 2 spiritual cities ok. 2 different inheritances. 1. Salvation or 2. Damnation After Christ, the world has been invited to come out of Babylon spiritually, and to dwell in Zion where there is an inheritance waiting. The world refuse this inheritance offered to them, and instead choose things that please the flesh. and yes, God does not plainly call Edom Babylon, because this is one of the hidden mysteries he wants us to find out. There was a real place called Edom in the past, where all Esau's children and descendants dwelt, but today they are everywhere spread throughout the earth, not because of their bloodline, but because of the nature of their father Esau who did not care for his inheritance. The children with "this same spirit", is the children of the world. We all know Christ died just outside of Jersualem, but the spirit of those who killed him was the same as Esau's spirit, for they did not care for their inheritance. The spirit of those in the world today, are still killing Christ and rejecting him. These have the spirit of the world. The spirit of the world is Babylon. God also calls the world Egypt in many scriptures, he also calls it Assyria (spiritually). An example is God also called Jerusalem "Sodom" and "Egypt." So is Jerusalem really Sodom, or Egypt? No He's speaking "spiritually". Of having the same nature. It's the same thing with Edom. Just another name for Babylon (spiritually) Jerusalem was serving "Babylon" when Christ was crucified. And Babylon is also spiritually called Edom. If we think carnal, we will never understand the Bozrah, Edom thing. You are looking for a physical place to pin point, and not looking at the world spiritually as a whole.
  12. Hello Retro I have read all of Isaiah many times, and just went over again the chapters you mentioned, Isaiah 61, 62 & 63. I have interpreted every single verse, and saved it to Word, but it's too long to post. So I will just mention this one for now; Isaiah 63:1 Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save. Genesis 25:30 And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me, I pray thee, with that same red pottage; for I am faint: therefore was his name called Edom. Edom is Esau – the world that sold their inheritance for a bowl of soup (Material things) Bozrah is in Edom, so Bozrah is also Esau. That land. The land that traded their inheritance for material things– other name is also called Babylon. Christ was killed in the land of Edom (Babylon) His own blood is what stained his garments. Christ is back from the grave, from that land of Edom where they rejected him, and now re-visits them with a great vengeance. The reason why he treads the winepress alone, is because vengeance is given to only him, not the saints. Christ is pleading their cause now. He stands up for them and does not need anyone's help. He will destroy those armies gathered against him with the command of his mouth, ...his Word. His Word will bring much blood upon them and their blood will spray his garments because he has judged.
  13. Thanks Retro I will read again the whole chapter from the top, and share with you how I understand it.
  14. Hi Retro I just found this scripture; Isaiah 63:3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment. please compare; Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Revelation 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. Can you see the difference? He hasn't tread the winepress yet in Rev 19, but he's about to. How can he come out and have their blood on him before he goes into battle? That battle he's about to go into into will stain his garments with their blood. That blood on his vesture before the battle is his own blood. The blood he shed. The reason why we believe in him. Now he's about to stain his vesture with their blood. Big difference. Their blood will be "sprinkled" on his garments. Having blood "sprinkled" on you, compared to being "dipped" in blood are slightly two different things in my opinion. I see being dipped in blood as going through death yourself, and the sprinkling of blood on your garments means you are the one doing the killing, not the one being killed. I could be wrong, but thanks for bringing up the question. Will keep looking into it.
  15. Hi Retro It's his own blood. Christ has returned with his old battle clothes on to show the world that it's him whom they killed and did not believe. But that first battle was spiritual, and he spilt no other man's blood, but his own. ....and this time, he will spill their blood with "his word" as he's prepared for battle again, having all power and great authority to judge the nations and war the armies of Armageddon who have gathered against him.