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  1. Hi Hobie That harlot sitting on the beast is Satan's woman. God's woman is the woman in Rev 12. She produces children and rears them to know their father. She's the nurturing one that gives good doctrine. She's covered in light, so it means she is covered with truth. She's not Mary by the way. She's just a metaphor to represent God's doctrine. His doctrine produces children of the kingdom. Satan's woman is the exact opposite (another metaphor). She's the one who entices all to lust after the merchandise she provides. Her world is full of the material. This woman is a Jezebel. She is of the world. She's covered in filth, and she's nurturing her children to stay in captivity. Whoever loves the world, and is of the world, and stays in the world is of her. We have to come out of the mindset of the world because all the evils are found in her. Her world is a material world. Even false religions and beliefs come out of this material world, and not God's kingdom. Satan's woman has been around since the first kingdom, which means she was here way before Rome. She cannot be Rome. You got those kingdoms right and Egypt was the first one. She's been here since the days of Egypt. All of those kingdoms she sits on - is the busy hustle and bustle, buying and selling, system of the world, as it's always been spiritually known as Babylon - city of confusion. She is one with Satan, and this world is his kingdom with all the nations combined. All are drinking from the cup of his woman, as she makes all drunk on the material things she can provide. Revelation 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. Revelation 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. She's not providing the things of God, but the things of the world. When all that is taken away, the world feels empty. Revelation 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. Revelation 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: If we continue to believe that this woman is the church, then we will not understand how to come out of her. We cannot be found joined to the world. We cannot think like the world. Desire things of the world. Trust in the world. Celebrate with the world. We have to be separate. Jesus warned us. There is no truth in the world, because the Father of Lies is running it, and his woman is there to entice us into staying.
  2. iamlamad. The whore is NOT JERUSALEM. The whore is the SYSTEM of the world. The buying and selling system. Trade. Merchants and merchandise. The whole world revolves around the material. The whore has always been there to "entice" men to lust after these material things. Great men and small. The ten horns do receive power at the end for one hour. They hate this system, which is why they want to make way for a new system. A new world order. A more controlling one. They are burning this current system with fire. Not a physical fire, but a vexing fire. So there should be seven horns left right? Then why are there 10 horns in Rev with 10 crowns? Speaking of horns, not heads. The heads represent 7 kingdoms who have ruled throughout time. The 7th head (kingdom) produces the 10 kings. When the False Prophet (little horn) receives power, this kingdom morphs into an EIGHTH KINGDOM. Not an 8th King. You are getting the heads on the beast mixed up with the horns. Those first 6 heads have got no crowns. They are history. But the 7th head has not one king ruling, but ten. Ten horns with 10 crowns. When the FP comes out of them, this kingdom will be completely different from the ones before it. It's the 7th kingdom *changed* into the eighth kingdom. It came out of the seventh. Revelation 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. They are not broken up, but solid. Tight. One mind. Again, you are getting the heads mixed up with the horns. So you think that the beast that was wounded and healed is Iraq? That deadly wound the beast received is happening now as we speak. Dirty deeds are being exposed and more will come. They will recover. It looks like everything that I am saying here is falling on deaf ears, but here goes, another one to shoot down. That bear was the fourth king of Persia. The three ribs symbolised the three kings of Persia before him. The answer is here; Daniel 11:2 And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia. Who was there before Grecia conquered ? Was it not Medo & Persia (the Ram with 2 horns?) Well out of this combined kingdom, it appears that this particular last king of Persia was the one who put Alexander into a conquering rage. Yes thank you. I am always studying and going over. The 4th last terrible beast in Daniel with the 10 KINGS, and the LITTLE HORN coming out of them will be destroyed by Christ at his coming. We have 2 groups here. The 10 horns, and the man. They are the same ones in Revelation 13 who will be destroyed by Christ at his Coming. iamlamad, you are entitled to your opinion as I am mine, but we are not on the same page here. I said what I wanted to say, and I've heard your argument, so we will just have to be patient and see how it all unfolds ok. This discussion between ourselves is not working and we are butting heads. I will pull out now, and you can say your right.
  3. The 10 horns in Daniel, are the exact same 10 horns in Rev 13. You can't change it. It's the same kingdom that Christ himself will overturn. The whore is this system of the world, the way it's operating today. All the buying and selling. The beast hates this system and wants another system. This system today is based on money. It will be a new monetary system which they will bring in. We cannot eat if we don't conform to their system. We will starve.
  4. iamlamad There are 4 beasts in Daniel. The fourth terrible beast was to come. It's the beast of the end times, the one existing during the days of Jesus' return. When the 10 horns are established, they are not the only horns of this earth, but are in control of this fourth kingdom. In the latter days of their kingdom, before they receive their crowns,....there are OTHER HORNS existing, ...other kingdoms....other kings. Is there not a horn of Russia?, or the USA or China existing today for example. Think for a moment. When the little horn comes up he will uproot three horns that were before him. Automatically you think of the 10 horns, because they are mentioned? Come out of this box... this way of thinking, because it's not going to harmonise with Rev, and guess what? IT HAS TO. This means three kings who have received power are on the world stage in existence before him (the little horn) These are the three he will remove, the ones that have been here for a while so the 10 horns can take the lead. He does not uproot his own kingdom, but others. The 10 horns of his kingdom are tight. Look at them here before they receive their crowns; Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. Revelation 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. Does it appear that any of them get uprooted? No, they have one mind. They are tight. This kingdom of the 10 horns conquers others. That's how it gets to reign. Look at their power and style; Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. He moves fast like a leopard, his feet like a bear tearing everything in it's path, (other kingdoms/horns) and a big loud mouth like a lion. How else will he get to power if he doesn't trample and uproot other horns not of his kingdom, who are in his way? This is his style. This beast doesn't need a war to do it either. He controls the money. He lends out the money. He can call in his loans at any time. He can bankrupt nations at the drop of the hat or use other methods. Look at what the USA is doing to China? The USA alone can bring down China's strong economy, just by increasing the tariff's or stopping trade altogether. This beast is bigger than the USA. They can bring down the USA also. They can bring down Russia, whoever is in the way, and whoever has a strong military force. You don't always have to conquer through war and bloodshed, because there are other methods.
  5. iamlamad This teaching is dangerous in my opinion. When the two witnesses come onto the scene, many will think they are the Anti-christ and False Prophet. Remember when they are killed the world rejoices. Obviously they will think that the two witnessess are the bad ones. Revelation 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
  6. Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. John saw the horns in Rev 13. He saw them when they received their crowns. He got that vision first - of them ruling. Now in Chapter 17, he is shown that these 10 horns were not in existence *then* during John's day - when Rome was in power. It's clear they were not on the scene then, but to come (future). Revelation 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. Revelation 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. The 10 horns shall make war with the Lamb. Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. Daniel 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. Who came first? The 10 horns? or the little horn? The first beast is the 10 horns. They sit on the 7th head (the last kingdom). The 7 heads don't have crowns because they've come and gone. Focus on the ones with the crowns. They are the active ones. Your explanation leaves out the 10 kings, who are a major part of this mystery. The false prophet comes out of them. They are working side by side. Go back over Daniel. He lays the groundwork for us to build upon, preparing us for the book of Revelation to understand better. iamlamad, I don't see the first beast as a person, but 10 horns with crowns. Rev 17 goes back to what John saw previously in Chapter 13. This first beast talks too. It talks through it's laws and policies. It also blasphemes. It was given power to "continue 42 months", because it's been around for a long time preparing everything. It has an "image". The 2nd beast is the False Prophet. He is the puppet of the 10 kings. He is their voice. The Son of Perdition. He will claim he is God, through deception and lying wonders. The miracles he will perform is because of craft (technology) This kingdom is full of lies and smokescreens. Everything is a lie, even the miracles. 2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
  7. Hi breathoflife I know you are talking about three here, but if we just take Satan out of the equasion for now with the other two as many depict to be the "antichrist" and "false prophet" being two super men of Satan, I would like to explain in my own words a little more about the first and second beast of Rev 13, and address what you said about the 2nd beast/anti-Christ being presently locked in the bottomless pit. What I need to demonstrate first is that the 2nd beast or anti-christ (as the world calls him) is the same guy who is the False prophet. He is also called "the Son of Perdition" as mentioned in 2 Thessalonians, and the little horn of Daniel. You said the 2nd beast (anti-christ) is presently locked in the bottomless Pit? I presume you got that scripture from here; Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. This beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit mentioned above is not referring to whom the world calls "the anti-christ", a single man who will claim to be God (the 2nd beast),… but is referring to the end time kingdom controlled by the ten kings. It’s that beast, the first one in Rev 13. It’s the same fourth terrible beast that Daniel spoke of with the 10 horns. The last ruling kingdom of man that will conform into the kingdom of hell. How does a kingdom come out of the bottomless pit? Simple, we only have to ask who runs the bottomless pit and what it is exactly? The bottomless pit is where "the kingdom of darkness" is based, ....which Satan has built his foundation upon. The place where evil springs from is his home. All evil done upon the earth, and which exists in the heart of man comes out of that bottomless pit from the foundation of evil - because it has to come from somewhere and it doesn’t come from above where "the kingdom of light" is based. Satan who is the chief in command of his kingdom, …which delegates to his men who will do what, when and how….rewards these 10 kings for their loyal service to him. Service of abominations, and debauchery,…service of lies, greed and oppression with murder, service of theft, and service causing the destruction of souls is what he requires of them. Satan tempts them, …(the 10 kings) with gifts of the material which they love, providing an ocean load of money beyond our imagination, and tempts them with all the power to eventually take all the kingdoms of the earth and “continue” with the plan he gave them a very long time ago which started in the late 1700's with choosing 10 men who would pass their seats down to their offspring until we reach the final 10. A hard to resist proposition was presented to them exactly like the one he suggested to Christ - in that he would give him all the kingdoms of the world ...if only he would bow down and worship him. What Christ rejected & rebuked, these 10 kings (not real kings) gladly accepted. It was not just an act of bowing down and worshiping, but he bids them to do his full will and carry out certain tasks to keep them working for what he promised them, and they formed a tight secretive network to achieve this goal. So although Satan has had control of all the nations and kingdoms of the earth since the beginning, and although he managed to kill all the holy men who gave great service to the LORD OF HOSTS, and our Lord Jesus Christ, but never has he had the opportunity to run a kingdom that will corner all Christians throughout the earth in every single nation, and put them into a very deep sleep to steal their souls, or take the strong ones unhindered with prison, hunger and death - is his dream come true. Then to eventually kill all men and even those who he has been conspiring with. The idea of this came straight out of the bottomless pit. A kingdom with all carrying out his will and executing his ideas. His carefully thought out plan is coming to fruition through the 10 kings with the power he gives them. Through them and the laws they will introduce and change will be made manifest and declared through a man of his chosing, the Son of Perdition. The 10 kings are at the heart of this kingdom, and that wicked man who is to come out of them ... whom they will groom ... to perform their will (which is Satan's will) will cause all men to worship whatever they say and do…..and bow down to their laws. Revelation 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. This man of sin who is the False Prophet/Son of Perdition/anti-christ (all the same man) is pointing us all to the first beast, that kingdom of the 10 kings to serve their laws and worship “their” image. The ten kings came first and without them (and their power from the dragon), the FP cannot do anything, because they are working together. Together they will use "trickery" and "deceit" to fool the souls of men. So there are only two beasts. The kingdom of the 10, and their spokesman who will arise will control the secular and the spiritual all in one which is why he is seen as a lamb with two horns, in charge of both. The false prophet cannot be the prince of the air, because he is a man and not a spirit. Whatever miracles he will perform is all trickery using advanced technology that the 10 kings have possessed and kept low key. I hope this all makes sense and you can see that there are only two beasts, the kingdom of the 10, who want all the earth and precious things for themselves and the FP who is the Anti-Christ/Son of Peridition/little horn/man of Sin. Only two.
  8. Thank you breathoflife. I will read this later because I am too tired to concentrate. I just replied to iamlamad and it turned into a novel so I deleted it all. It has worn me out. I have just wasted about 3 hours, but it's good because I get to go over things. I will get back to you in the next day or two when i feel refreshed dear brother. Thank you for taking the time to explain all that to me and I look forward to reading and replying. Just wanted you to know I acknowledge your reply for now.
  9. Hi breathoflife I like what you said here, it's accurate, but one thing ....there is no False Prophet and Antichrist. There is only one Son of Perdition. In Rev 13 there are two beasts. The first beast is the "kingdom" of "the ten kings". The second beast is the false prophet. The false prophet and his kingdom will be thrown into the lake of fire at the Coming. His unjust wicked kingdom will never rise again, whereas, all the nations will be spared with few remnants from each so that they can multiply again during the millennium. I am not sure if the 10 kings go straight into the lake of fire with that kingdom, or if they await judgement in the grave?
  10. iamlamad The bible is not read like an every day book. It can go back and forth. Revelation is a collection of visions. The trumpets and vials are in their order from the 1st to the 7th, but the timing does not run concurrent with the chapters. John has visions in-between that give more clarity of what he was already shown. How you can say there is no coming at the 7th trump is mind boggling? The 6th trump is that huge war in Israel - kingdom against kingdom, nation against nation, all warring throughout the earth, then coming into Israel to destroy. The 6th trumpet shows that side. The 6th vial shows that whilst they are all there in Israel warring, CHRIST'S APPEARING comes. That war is cut short or else no flesh would be saved. Those armies make up and gather together at MEGIDO, in preparation to war THE LAMB this time. All happens on the 6th angel. The 7th angel is the Coming. The worst plague is the great earthquake, hailstones, fire and brimstone. It is done, finished, Babylon judged on the spot. All the plagues are dished out in 3 1/2 years. Seven plagues only not 14.
  11. Wingnut I don't see what your point is here? The 7 kings represent 7 kingdoms (hence the 7 heads) on the beast; 1. Egypt 2. Assyria 3. Babylon 4. Medo-Persia 5. Grecia 6. Rome 7. End time Rome. During the days of John, the first 5 kingdoms had already come and gone. kingdom no. 6 (old Rome) was ruling. We can't change the number of heads. The 10 horns come out of the 7th kingdom (7th head), the last one. That scripture you gave is confirming that the 7 mountains are the heads on the beast. It also shows us that the word "mountain" or "mount" symbolises "kingdoms" in some verses throughout the scriptures. We need to know this to understand God's lingo when interpreting. eg - Mount Sion = "kingdom" of Zion - in some cases. Referring to the spiritual mountain and not the physical. Joel 3:17 So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more. My "holy kingdom" Daniel 2:35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth. The stone became a "a great kingdom" Joel 3:18 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth of the house of the LORD, and shall water the valley of Shittim. The "kingdoms" shall drop down new wine (teachings) The "hills" = smaller kingdoms.
  12. The 7th trump is the Coming. This is the third woe. Christ destroys the wicked in one hour. There is no time for another 7 vials.
  13. Hi Wingnut When I first shared this post, I saw something happening in the world, and the scriptures here in Daniel and Rev, that I had been reading over and over for years, suddenly shed new light about these three horns. If I am wrong, time will tell, but what I saw is definitely thought provoking, and gets us back into the scriptures to Analise and scrutinize every single word prophesied regarding this event that will be fulfilled to make the Word of God true down to every last word. When the little horn comes out of the kingdom of the 10 horns, he has not been given full power yet. He is rising up to fame. His policies have to be admired and accepted before the world can give him their trust and blessing to take that high seat. The 10 horns are of his kingdom. They are not real kings, nor are they 10 leaders of any nation, but 10 wicked men who sit in the shadows and have an agenda to take over the whole world and keep all the precious things of the earth for themselves, including the souls of men. They have a host also. They control a network. Their plan is to groom this little horn for his arrival to be their spokesman and to fulfill their agenda. Bottom line is that they will give him all their support to pull off this great deception and manipulate the whole world into cutting any ties whatsoever with our creator the Lord of Hosts, and to replace him with this man who really thinks in his mind that he is god. He is a deluded creature, and with Satan by his side, he pulls it off until our Lord intervenes and causes turmoil on his kingdom. Can you honestly tell me that before this "little horn" rises to full power, there are no other horns besides the 10 in existence? Are you telling me that there is no horn of the USA, or Russia, or China, or even Israel? Are there no real kings, or presidents or prime-ministers that could possibly be in his way, and have had some type of power on the world stage, with a strong military defence? Considering we don't know who these 10 horns are, because they are not real kings, and hide in the shadows, we would not even know if he "uprooted" any of his own men - because of their secrecy. It would not be open news. Therefore, what I see is that the three horns "before him" who are in existence at that time of his rising, are three world leaders outside of their pact which is very tight. To uproot these three horns or subdue them, is to take away their power or position on the world stage....to cut off their voice and the military power that backs them. In the end, all nations will submit to this man and his new laws because we know the scriptures. But three horns who were highly regarded will be no more on the world stage, nor a threat to his kingdom, because he will do something big, that we will all see in the news and experience. No horn (king) will get in his way.... therefore no one will be able to make war with this beast that leads the world into final destruction. So I see the three horns that were "before him" (in existence on the world stage), will have their power removed by him, and these three horns are not of his club, otherwise Revelation would say; Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, seven horns and upon his horns ten seven crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. because 10 horns - 3 horns = 7. but what I see is that 10 horns - 0 horns (of his own) = 10.
  14. iamlamad 1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. There are 7 trumpets. We didn't know that in 1 Corinthians, but we learned it in the book of Revelation (to reveal). The last trump is the 7th. The 7 golden vials contain odours which are prayers of the saints. Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. Their prayers are being collected - collected right up till the last saint that will be born. The wrath of God is put in those vials and poured out on to the earth. This is the vengeance of the Lord on their behalf and it starts with the first trump. It finishes with the last trump which is the Coming, and the world is judged in one hour. It will be swift. The last plague is the worst and consists of an earthquake, hail stones weighing 40kg, fire and brimstone. Instant death. So the angel blows the trumpet, then pours out the vial. The vials contain the 7 plagues and there are only 7 angels.
  15. iamlamad The trumpets and the vials correlate. There are only seven angels with the plagues, not 14. The word of God can prove this; Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. Revelation Chapter 8 & 9 are revealing the angels with "the trumpets". The 7th angel is not mentioned in chapter 9, but if you go to chapter 10, he's there. It's finished! That 7th angel with the trumpet is the last one. Now take a look at the 7th angel with the vial; Revelation 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. It's "finished" and "done" all at the same time.
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