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  1. Ezekiel 38 and rapture

    Hi JoeCanada Disregard that request. I found maps. Am going through them now.
  2. Ezekiel 38 and rapture

    JoeCanada It is such blessing to be having this dialogue with you also brother. Have you got any maps that you can attach here by any chance? I really want to see all this on a map brother. I am having trouble finding. This is so interesting.
  3. Ezekiel 38 and rapture

    JoeCanada I have re-read Ezekiel 38 & 39 and I do not agree that it happens before the 1000 year millenium, because it is speaking about Gog and Magog, who do not yet exist, but only come on to the scene after the 1000 yrs. The False Prophet and all the armies who war against the Lamb are buried in Jehoshaphat, also called Tophet, and the valley of Hinnom (valley of slaughter). Joel 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land. Joel 3:12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about. Jeremiah 19:11 And shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Even so will I break this people and this city, as one breaketh a potter's vessel, that cannot be made whole again: and they shall bury them in Tophet, till there be no place to bury. Jeremiah 7:32 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be called Tophet, nor the valley of the son of Hinnom, but the valley of slaughter: for they shall bury in Tophet, till there be no place. Gog and his armies are buried in the Valley of Hamon-Gog. Ezekiel 39:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog. I hope you can see the difference brother. Two different wars. Two different burial places.
  4. Ezekiel 38 and rapture

    Daniel And what's this other rebellion called when Satan is released after the 1000 yrs? The GOG and MAGOG WAR. So how can it be before the 1000 yrs? There is only one Gog and Magog war, not two. Why do we like to slot it in where it doesn't belong?
  5. Ezekiel 38 and rapture

    Joe Canada What about the Coming when Jesus bounds Satan for a thousand years so that he cannot deceive the nations UNTIL the 1000 years is expired? Is Satan not put away during the duration of the coming millennium yes or no? Have you read about Christ taking dominion of all the kingdoms with his resurrected saints, and setting up his headquarters on earth in Jerusalem? Have you read about Christ bringing Israel back into the kingdom from all generations "in their flesh" to serve him and bring God's name a praise all throughout the earth. Have you read that they will multiply and live a ripe old age to a 100yrs in safety? Did you know that they will be taught truth, and will heal and declare this truth to all the nations?, and that all nations will be under the laws of the Kingdom where they dwell and serve? Have you read also that there will be surviving gentiles who survived Armageddon, and that they will multiply also and come to holy Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Jesus Christ for a thousand years and be taught also in their flesh? And what happens when Satan is released at the end of the 1000 yrs? Does he not gather Gog and Magog to attack the camp of the saints where Israel is living in peace? So how can Ezekiel 38, mentioning this Gog be before the 1000 yr millenium?.....when it clearly states in Rev 20, that this all happens after the 1000 years of rest, after the nations have been taught truth, and specifically after Satan is released? Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. There will be another battle, with strange similarities, but at another time (1000 years later) because the father of lies is let loose again to sift the nations for the final time. This time, instead of using the FP like he did a thousand years before and was thrown into the lake of fire, Satan will use another man again called Gog and Magog are his armies from the four quarters of the earth. From all over the earth they will form to rebel against the Lord again, despite all the truth taught because of that liar the devil who deceives. He does it all over again, and this will be the final battle.
  6. The Measuring of the Temple

    Montana Marv We know for sure that the 10 tribes were sent to Assyria and intermixed with Gentiles. From there they scattered throughout the whole earth, and not only that but ventured into new lands and started new nations. When Israel was called back in 1948, they were not just from tribe of Judah and Benjamin. So you have Samaria today in Israel and throughout the earth. They are not full blooded Jews but still call Abraham their father. There are no pure tribes today. Maybe can prove quite a few generations going back, but hard to go all the way back. Those who practice Judaism are today's Jews. They follow the law. There are Jews that preserved their culture and traditions, but nothing to prove that their bloodlines are pure and that there were no intermarriages or Gentile additions like servants etc. It boils down to this. You have to serve the Lord Jesus Christ to be a firstfruit, no matter what bloodline for there is no difference between Jew or Gentile when it comes to Christ, and this is what the bible tells us. No one being a Jew gets a higher honour than a Gentile that serves Christ. All are one. One Lord, One Faith. All equal. The ones that get the highest honour are the ones that worship in Christ, in spirit and in truth and are one with the Word of God. So you have to look at the whole picture to understand who these 144K which are picked from the 12 tribes of the children of Israel to know what this truly means. There is physical Israel today yes, and the spiritual Jew who has come into the family of God. The spiritual Jew is the one who gets the promises because he believes that Jesus is the Son of God and has let him change his heart. The physical Jew will receive the promises at the Coming, but not eternal life just yet, for the first will be last and the last first.
  7. The Measuring of the Temple

    Montana Marv Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. The holy city is Zion. Zion is where all the God fearing dwell. It's not just one place, one area, but a spiritual place one comes for truth. Amongst Zion are those who have come in by the back door and not through the Shepherd. Those who have come through the Shepherd are at the altar offering sacrifices of the heart (true repentance) and in God's eyes, their worship is perfect, for the Word of God is dwelling in them, and in their heart is where Christ has set up his temple. Those in the court, who claim God is their saviour and even Christ, will be trampled on by the gentiles, whether they are Jew or Christian. They will be put through the fire. I believe those who are serving at the altar are the 144K who follow the Lamb wheresoever he goes. They are not Jews by blood, but anyone who has a heart for Christ and obeyed him allowing him break down all the strongholds, and take captive all evil imaginations, and vanity, and pride, and every single unclean thing by following his Word and repenting. Those who kept to the narrow road, and allowed Christ to heal them and feed them producing good fruits and not error of the spirit. These are those who overcame and are found wearing white robes at the time of this visitation, the Sealing of the 144K, just before the tribulation begins. The rest are in the court area. Those who claim to be under the tent of God. Unbelievers, Aetheists & heathen are not part of this group inside this boundary area, but all the luke warm who wanted the Word of God to fit into their lifestyle and not change their own lifestyle to fit with the Word of God and receive complete unity. No one can claim to be part of this 144K number worshiping at the altar, as it is for Christ to decide which first fruits are his, to be sealed for they are chosen and have made their election sure. 144K is not a lot compared to the whole Christian land, but it is that number for we are told. This is why we must take our salvation with trembling and fear, hoping to be counted worthy and going over our spiritual walk making sure we have heeded every single commandment of our Lord Jesus Christ in spirit and in truth. God bless.
  8. Ezekiel 38 and rapture

    The Word of God's perspective brother, is the final authority. There will never be peace on this earth until the Prince of Peace comes. Until then, God said and declared to all his prophets, that he will call for a sword on all the inhabitants of this earth and prove that every word of his spoken is true and will be fulfilled. These words have been rejected by Israel, and even Christians. Jeremiah 25:13 And I will bring upon that land all my words which I have pronounced against it, even all that is written in this book, which Jeremiah hath prophesied against all the nations. Jeremiah 25:29 For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts. Jeremiah 25:30 Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words, and say unto them, The LORD shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth. Jeremiah 25:31 A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth; for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with all flesh; he will give them that are wicked to the sword, saith the LORD. Jeremiah 25:32 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth. Jeremiah 25:33 And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground. 1 Thessalonians 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. Every nation has a defense system put in place. They have armies, allies, technology, and weapons of warfare. Bars and gates were needed in the past, for they only fought with swords, but today the nations have communications, and can respond within minutes. Israel has been serving the King of Babylon along with all the other nations. Israel have not heeded the Word of the Lord that they should be healed, therefore God will send the kings of the North to show them that he is not happy, and when all the nations of the earth are forced to drink of the cup of God's wrath, he will start in Jerusalem, from that place by sending a sword. So if no Israeli is afraid, it is because they have been lied to, and the King of Babylon has deceived them, putting them into a false sense of security. Only after God sends a sword (war), and all has run it's course and is fulfilled, shall they know the Lord their God, when the Prince of Peace comes to deliver them from their enemies at his Coming. Any one found dwelling in the land of the Chaldeans (Babylon), who has refused to come out of this wretched city,...by refusing the Lord of Hosts, and his glorious Son whom he sent to deliver us from the power of darkness, and his wrath, will experience war, and all the plagues, and everything prophesied against all the nations starting with Jerusalem.
  9. The Measuring of the Temple

    Hi Last Daze I believe it's the sealing of the 144K. These are the ones that are following the Lamb wheresoever he goes. God has something special for them in store.
  10. Ezekiel 38 and rapture

    Just a puff of smoke my friend! Just pointing out that we can't mix Ezekiel 38 with the rapture, because it's 1000 yrs after the rapture and not before. The Gog and Magog war is that war. There are many similarities yes, but it has always been like that, nothing new under the sun. What clarifies Ezekiel 38, is the book of Revelation which reveals that Satan will be prisoned for a thousand years at the 2nd Coming of Christ. He cannot deceive the nations anymore until the 1000 years expires. Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. At the Coming, after Judment on Babylon, there will be remnants of the gentiles left from all nations. Not many, but a few here and a few there. Over time they will multiply and increase fairly quickly. The truth will flow out of the kingdom on earth freely to all the survivors, undisturbed, untwisted, with the Word being kept pure & undefiled from the enemy. The nations will have no excuse as there will only be one truth, and no confusion like it is today with all the different rivers of belief Satan has put out since the beginning of time. The enemy being locked up cannot interfere, which is why there will also be no wars also for this duration of time. Micah 4:3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. ...But as populations start growing, new children being born, there is still that nature of man in many. Wars have been stopped, truth has been delivered, but evil is not yet destroyed in the hearts of man. They just cannot act on what is in their heart until.... Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. The same will happen again. One thing I noticed is that these nations that will fall again, after receiving the truth, are the remnants of the Islamic nations a thousand years before. Somehow, Satan will use them again. That spirit for war will be stirred up again in them. Gog will be their leader, and Magog will be that spiritual land combined from the four parts of the earth,...in otherwords, gathered from all over the earth with one mind. War.
  11. Ezekiel 38 and rapture

    Greetings Dennis1209 And some say, a very few in fact that Ezekiel 38 is AT THE END OF THE MILLENNIUM, and has nothing to do with today. This prophecy is way into the future. The scene - Israel is that land that has been delivered from the sword (war). Christ delivered Israel at his coming. They are living in peace, in the boundaries given to them, Christ's kingdom on earth Holy Jerusalem, which is the camp of the saints. Christ has revealed himself to them, ...they are learning Christ's ways being filled with the holy spirit. They are multiplying, multiplying, multiplying, all learning truth, all being well cared for, all loving the Lord in spirit and in truth. There are no bars nor gates, because they are under God's tabernacle finally, no enemies, just peace because they are wearing righteous robes. All the gold of the earth and precious stones have been gathered and brought into the kingdom, here. All the cattle and sheep, and orchards,..everything flourishes,...food abundant is here. All the earth knows that the Word of the Lord comes from here. Each year, the leaders have to come into Jerusalem to give honour to Christ, and celebrate the feast of tabernacles, and if they don't come, then no rain. No rain = Famine. Perfect conditions for when Satan is released from his prison. They get slack towards the end. 1000 yrs finished. Satan released. He chooses a man again to do his dirty work. He chooses Gog. Gog goes to the four quarters of the earth and gathers all the men who are dissatisfied. These are the hungry. They are without because they have not followed the Lords orders. They are rebellious. Jealousy and greed are incited into them, giving them a taste for war again, but for them it's the first time. They are being deceived because their hearts are uncircumcised. They have rejected peace, truth, and the laws of Holy Jerusalem. This is the land of Magog, these people. All from different nations, but united for the same cause,...to attack the camp of the saints and steal what is not theirs. Satan does not know that the saints of Israel are protected, and his end will come when they surround the holy city, and his whole host will be killed. This is the last war. The Lord will rain down upon them fire and brimstone, and hail again,...and pestilence. They will attack the kingdom from the North side again. The Lord will leave a route for them to use, a little lure saying come come, I have a surprise waiting for you and your master. Ezekiel 38 is after the 1000 yrs brother. Ezekiel 38:10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought: Ezekiel 38:11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates, Ezekiel 38:12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.
  12. Hi John R7 This is a question one has to find for himself. I have a feeling you already know the answer, but since you asked the question, I will explain what I see personally. In the beginning, before God started creating, he laid down all the foundations and included in his plan to "reveal" good and evil to not only Adam and Eve, but to all the generations after them so that we can know the difference and not take his goodness for granted. Evil already existed but was "invisible", ...so for God to "manifest" this evil and show what type of fruits sin can bring forth, he started only with that forbidden tree to get his plan going. In doing this, God set a trap for Lucifer to act on what was truly in his heart, and for man to learn what it means when God tells us to stay away from something, ...that it's for a good reason, because only God knows the enemy, as he formed him for a purpose, but willing to show us also through experience that sin separates us from God. With Adam and Eve being so innocent, God cursed the serpent and not man, however God has made a way for us to be reconciled back to him, and to learn about this evil that exists and expose it to us so that we can see it's fruits visibly. Adam and Eve unbeknown to most, were reconciled back to God eventually, because the devil did not leave them alone for even one day, and when God sent them out of the garden, he told them exactly where to go and what to do. Satan continued with his cunning tricks by appearing in many different forms, and twisting God's word to make them disobey unknowingly because his trickery was so strong. They kept finding themselves in trouble, experiencing more sorrow, and the Lord God, so merciful, was forever coming to their aid, and delivering them as he does for us today. Eventually they gained understanding regarding all the tricks of the devil they experienced, and learn't how to trust in God's word, that his laws are only for our protection. (The book of Adam and Eve) Satan cannot work his evil in us unless man disobeys God. Nothing happened by chance. God knew what he was doing. We can't all blame Adam or Eve, because we have the same gullible nature, but since sin has multiplied we became worse and we have more laws now covering every single angle the devil will come from. So the tree had to be pleasing to the eye, because temptation always comes like that. Even though they were well provided for, Lucifer has a knack of making us feel we need more. Plus I don't think it was only the fruit that they desired, but the trust in what would happen if they ate that fruit. So the tree was not evil, but the sin in disobeying God was. That tree symbolises God's boundaries, and if we stray from that we are in for a ride. The punishment of sin was not death on the spot, but only a short time on this earth, then the grave. A redeemer is now required to reverse this, as was always in God's plan, separating the children who come to the light, to the children who love to stay in darkness and believe sweet lies.
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  14. End Times Upon Us?

    Hi Brother If we are aware of the prophesies, we can only keep watch. Our daily newspaper reported few days ago that the opening of the US embassy in Jerusalem is planned for May 2018. Trump hinted he may go to Jerusalem for the opening. This may seem like no big deal for some, but I am interested in what date this will take place, and if it will be close to Israel's 70th anniversary on the 14 May. Not only does this allow the US to gain a foothold Jerusalem, but what I am concerned about in particular, is that the article stated this; The West Australian, March 7, 2018 (quote) "Mr Trump's push to change or scrap Iran's 2015 nuclear deal with world powers and concerns over Tehran's foothold in Syria topped the agenda of his talks with Mr Netanyahu. Both leaders have long rallied against the deal, citing it's limited duration and the fact it does not cover Iran's ballistic missile program or its support for anti Israel militants in the region. If I had to say what our greatest challenge in the Middle East to both our countries, to our Arab neighbours, it's encapsulated in one word - Iran," Mr Netanyahu said. Iran must be stopped. That is our common challenge." Mr trump has threatened to pull out of the agreement unless European allies help "fix" it with a follow-up accord. (end of quote) Alarm bells, and these are the signs to watch for. Things are moving along very quickly now. Those European allies are the kings of the North, as spoken about in Jeremiah. They are being summoned.
  15. End Times Upon Us?

    God has given the nations 70 yrs to serve the King of Babylon. When the 70 yrs is up, trouble will start in Jerusalem followed by trouble in all the nations. The 70 years started when Israel was made a state, so 1948. A smoke is coming from the North. As soon as you see Jerusalem occupied by the kings of the North, know that this is the start of the final 3 1/2 yrs. We can expect the FP to come shortly after this invasion. Until this happens we cannot start counting. (Jeremiah 25) * Israel occupied by "the north" * FP emerges * Mark of the Beast * Persecution of the saints * Two Witnesses * 7 angels with the 7 plagues * Armageddon