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1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:
In a moment,in the twinkling of an eye.They are changed so they won't see death.
Don't confuse death with sleep. Sleep comes after death. Everyone dies.
For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. 1 Cor 15:22
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On 5/21/2023 at 10:43 AM, rdclmn72 said:
Isa 48:20 Go ye forth of Babylon, flee ye from the Chaldeans, with a voice of singing declare ye, tell this, utter it even to the end of the earth; say ye, The LORD hath redeemed his servant Jacob.
Babylon is fallen
1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.1
People commanded to depart out of her
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.You have among the different events described in Revelation a moment where people are told to flee Babylon.
Here in Isaiah 48 you have the verse on which it is based.
At the time of its writing Babylon did not exist as an empire, Isaiah was aware of this, yet God took him well into the future where it would become important to know.
Also, you can see that the original context adds another dimension to the statement. Its not just about leaving Babylon, you have a reason for it to happen. Tied into it is a mass exodus of Israelites being brought back from captivity as can be seen in Dt 30 and Am 9.
A door shall be opened sometime in the future permitting the return of Israel, adding to the fulfillment of the end time scenario.
Babylon, the influence of Satan's kingdom on humanity, is manifested in the last days (since Christ) as the Harlot, apostate Israel. The beast and the ten horns will destroy the Harlot because she has become an impediment to their agenda of exalting the man of sin as God who exercises dominion over the world.
When the Harlot is thrown down, and her vileness is exposed, people are called to take stock of the influence that the Harlot may have had in their lives and repent of that which needs to be repented of. That is the call to come out of Babylon. People need to discern the times because shortly after the Harlot is cast down, the time of great tribulation ensues.
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4 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:
I believe the goal of the Muslim nations is to capture Jerusalem .They are fine with destroying all the rest of Israel and killing all jews but they want Jerusalem mainly for the dome of the rock.
Of course it gets nuked by the armed forces of the north after they have liberated Jerusalem but they achieve their goal for a few days.
I'll take that as a "no"
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13 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:
It sounds pretty simple to me.
A place called Armageddon.
Revelation 16:16
Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.
1. In fact, the very word Armageddon comes from Har Megiddo—Hebrew for the “mound” or “mountain” (har) of Megiddo. By the Middle Ages, multiple nationalities, languages, and centuries had added an n and dropped the h, transforming Har Megiddo to Harmageddon and thence to Armageddon. 2.Jul 19, 2022
Did you watch the video in the OP? It's really quite interesting:
https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/246899-jerusalem-as-armageddon/
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3 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:
From my understanding Armageddon is the location of the war and Armageddon is the plain at the base of mt megido in Israel.The last battle to take place there great Brittain defeated the Ottoman Turks..
Reading scripture the war is over possession of the land promised to Abraham and his seed.It is written the nations rise up and take Jerusalem seen in several books of the bible and after that they are all destroyed.
Daniel 11 shows the king of the north giving Israel an army 3.5 years before the war and that army being stationed in Israel.It sounds like perhaps a NATO force or something similar.After 1260 days the arms of the south rise up and attack taking control of Jerusalem.It is my belief this army of the south are Muslims liberating the city.3 days later the north destroys all of those countries which attacked Jerusalem using nuclear weapons.From.iran to Egypt will be totally destroyed.The promised land will be cleaned out only for those who are saved.All the nations in that land are removed.The seed of Abraham (saints)are then given the promised land as an everlasting possession.The kingdom established there is referd to as the kingdom of heaven in parts of scripture.The land of the Lord in others.
I'm not sure if you are familiar with the Samson option but if you are,then thats what appears to take place at the time of the end.But it doesn't appear to be applied by the Israeli government itself but by its allies in the north.
I think it has more to do with the transliteration of the proper noun in Rev 16:16, the lack of an equivalent sounding letter for a guttural.
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10 hours ago, Marilyn C said:
As it is in the gospels you can be assured that it does not mean the Body of Christ.
This is to the people of Israel and if any at that time endure to the end of the Gentiles ruling then they will be saved, for the Lord will come and set up His kingdom rule through Israel.
This verse indicates that Matthew 24 addresses the body of Christ:
“Then they will hand you over to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name." Matthew 24:9
According to your views, the people of Israel are going to be hated by all nations because of the name of Jesus. The people of Israel largely reject Jesus. Why would they be killed because of Jesus' name? Makes no sense.
Be ready for the coming time of great tribulation. Trust in the Lord and do not be conformed to the things of this world. The mark and the image will reveal who it is that people love. The pre-trib rapture is a false hope. Stay awake and be on the alert.
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19 hours ago, truth7t7 said:
Where are the "Saints" representing the "Church" seen in Revelation 13, I don't see your claim, possibly you can post it?
I already answered that. You do know that chapters and verses weren't in the original manuscripts, don't you?
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17 hours ago, truth7t7 said:
War against the saints as in "The Church?
Where is this teaching found in scripture?
It's found in Daniel 7:21 for starters. And when you read the narrative found in Revelation 12 and 13 you see at the end of Revelation 12 the dragon "went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus." Revelation 13 gives details of that war to include the mark and image.
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4 hours ago, Mr. M said:
To endure unto the end is more than succumbing
to evil, but also to not give in to complacency.
Zephaniah 1:12 And it shall come to pass at that time
That I will search Jerusalem with lamps,
And punish the men
Who are settled in complacency,
Who say in their heart,
The Lord will not do good,
Nor will He do evil.Revelation 2:4 Nevertheless I have this against you,
that you have left your first love.
Many interpret this to mean lack of devotion to
the Lord Himself. I would contend that this is
leaving devotion to Christ, i.e. one another, His Body.
1 John 4:20 If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother,
he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen,
how can he love God whom he has not seen?
21 And this commandment we have from Him:
that he who loves God must love his brother also.
Thanks for your thoughts. I don't disagree with you here, or with the others who have stated a similar view. My point is that the enduring that Jesus states in Matthew 24 is specific to the end times. That enduring has been identified to be the war against the saints brought about by the man of sin through the image and the mark.
Stay awake and be on the alert.
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17 hours ago, CaptWalker said:
I think this subject may have been discussed not long ago so hopefully this is not exactly the same topic/question. Which is that i've always known about this verse but never really gave it much thought that it was actually the 2nd to last verse in Daniel. And so that must make the 1335 days of extreme significance and something we should understand, since how can you be waiting for something that you don't even know the meaning of? And i kind of already have my own opinion about what this is possibly referring to but it's probably a more controversial one, so i'd rather just like to hear others interpretation of it. But i know it's one of those hard to discern prophecies, even for the book of Daniel, but nothing wrong with saying what you think it is talking about.
I tie it to this one:
“Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who stays awake and keeps his clothes, so that he will not walk about naked and people will not see his shame.” Rev 16:15
The return of Jesus at the seventh plague. Those who repented during the plagues and held fast until His return are blessed. They will inherit the earth.
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18 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:
People are not killed for refusing the mark. They are killed for testifying of Christ
I agree. Revelation 12 flows right into 13 and should be read as one continuous account. At the end of Rev 12, the dragon sets off to wage war against those who "keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus." Rev 13 describes how that takes place using the mark and the image.
The image is a code of conduct that worships the man of sin as God. The mark is just a means of expediting the implementation of the image. It is the image that must be obeyed under the penalty of death.
Refusing to worship the image is a testimony of Christ's lordship in one's life. I'm sure there will also be verbal testimony as well.
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52 minutes ago, Selah7 said:
Right. Overcoming and enduring are two different things. So what do you think it is that we endure until the end?
17 minutes ago, Selah7 said:Daze, what is it that bothers you about enduring to the end?
There is no pretrib rapture.Nothing bothers me about enduring to the end. Not sure why you think there is. I know there's no pre-trib rapture. That's just a false hope like MAGA is a false hope.
I'm just pointing out that it's the time of great tribulation for believers that we must endure; the time when people will be martyred for refusing the mark and the image.
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6 hours ago, Selah7 said:
Revelation 2:26-28
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:As you can see from this quote, overcoming and enduring are two different things.
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4 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:
I think being beaten and cast into prison for testifying of Jesus would be a greater affliction than rejecting a mark but that's me.
They just might be linked.
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On 4/30/2023 at 4:42 PM, Selah7 said:
I believe this is referring to folks who will be deceived. This is saying that people’s love for family and friends will grow cold because they will turn away from God’s Word. And this apostasy scenario will just get worse and worse when those who fall away are unable to convince their family or true believers/saints/Elect to follow the Antichrist who they believe is the true Christ. In other words, they have been deceived. But God's Elect will never be deceived by the Antichrist. They are destined to endure to the end, remaining true to the King of kings and Lord of lords.
On 4/30/2023 at 4:46 PM, FJK said:I've always thought that meant keeping the faith and practicing all that it stands for unfaltering until the end of the anti-Christ's reign and the return of Jesus.
But I can see how others could or would see a different meaning according to their view of things.
On 4/30/2023 at 7:28 PM, Shilohsfoal said:Endures the tribulation without failing to the end of the tribulation or their lives whichever comes first.I had just posted these same three verses in another thread.This is what they must endure.
Daniel 11:33-35
“Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.
During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.
And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.
20 hours ago, NConly said:My thoughts are this.
endures what; Matt 24: 4 -11
the one who endures to the end; endures to the end of their life on earth or endures til Jesus returns.
open for correction thanks
18 hours ago, DeighAnn said:The end of the Trib of Satan without becoming deceived and taking the mark of the beast. Those who endure to the end will be the 'alive and remaining' who are transformed and join Christ and the armies of heaven in their spiritual bodies to begin the day of the Lord.
12 hours ago, JoeCanada said:Hi LD,
Great question brother.
If we look into what the Apostle John wrote in 1 John 3:4, we find an explanation for 'lawlessness':
"Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness."
So .... sin is lawlessness.......... therefore ...... lawlessness is sin.
And because sin (lawlessness) is increased, most people's love will become cold.
What do we see so prominent in society (the world) today?...... A refusal to submit to authority.
"I am my own boss............. I'll do what I want.......... You can't tell me what to do........... And I'm certainly not going to bow down to an omnipotent God!......."
Maybe we should turn the phrase around..... "Because love grows cold, there's a lot of lawlessness (sin)"
But the one who endures to the end
I think that Scripture generally refers to 'endurance or enduring' in relation to 'suffering'.
1Co 4:12...... and we toil, working with our own hands; when we are reviled, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure;
2Th 1:4......therefore, we ourselves speak proudly of you among the churches of God for your perseverance and faith in the midst of all your persecutions and afflictions which you endure.
1Pe 2:20...... For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds [fn]favor with God.
Even the Oxford dictionary defines 'endure' as 'suffer patiently'.
20 hours ago, WilliamL said:The passage of Matt. 24:5-31 deals specifically with the events of the Great Tribulation and then the Second Coming = the first 6 Seals of Rev. 6. The first 5 Seals cover the Trib.
We know that the passage concerns the time of Christ's return. There is a very specific thing in the end times that requires endurance and perseverance. It is stated twice:
If anyone is destined for captivity, to captivity he goes; if anyone kills with the sword, with the sword he must be killed. Here is the perseverance and the faith of the saints. Revelation 13:10
And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.” Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. Revelation 14:11-12
The end time perseverance / endurance has to do with the mark and the image. Its how war is waged against the saints. Something to think about.
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And because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will become cold. But the one who endures to the end is the one who will be saved. Matthew 24:12-13
Specifically, endures what? And to what end?
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On 4/21/2023 at 4:26 PM, Dennis1209 said:
It is odd (or is it) that only two people are defined as the son of perdition (John 17:12 & 2 Thes. 2:3).
And we know that Satan entered Judas. I'm curious as to what you've come across that would suggest another appearance of Judas, whether he's brought back to life or someone pretending to be him. This is what I've noticed:
* Satan entered Judas. The false prophet speaks like a dragon (Satan) indicating possession. Rev 13:11
* Judas went to his own place. Acts 1:25. What place is that?
* Jesus calls him a devil. John 6:70. Interesting choice of words.
* Deceived people wonder about something they see that harkens back to the first century or before. Rev 17:9. The man of sin convincing people that he is Judas could be used to negate the validity of the entire New Testament to the deceived.
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4 hours ago, WilliamL said:
Rather, the 6th head of the Beast, the spirit over Rome, was the "one of his [the Beast's] heads ... mortally wounded" when the Roman Empire fell in 476 AD; but it was later "healed" to become the Holy Roman Empire. That spirit remains a part of the Beast, which is a collective spirit of a (formerly) higher realm.
I guess we all look through the same glass dimly and see different things.
4 hours ago, WilliamL said:The Abyss is to remain locked up until the 5th Trumpet. Enoch 10, Rev. 9:1-2
The demons begged Jesus not to be cast into the abyss. It must have been possible. Also Daniel 7 suggests some abyssal activity. Sometimes you have to read between the lines.
4 hours ago, WilliamL said:We are dealing with spiritual hierarchies here, and mankind has not experienced anything, since before the Flood
Agree, fortunately we've been told ahead of time what to expect. Jesus is God and if you personally didn't see Him return, He didn't, regardless of whatever signs and wonders are used to try and convince you otherwise.
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13 hours ago, Montana Marv said:
My thought that this is Satan once he is bound for the 1000 years. To be released, and deceive the nations one last time, surround the city. All who follow him are destroyed and Satan goes directly to the LOF.
In Christ
Montana Marv
Thanks Marv.
Satan is the dragon, not the beast. People wonder at the beast.
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18 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:
John is told that the beast “once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss.”
Thanks for your thoughts Dennis.
I see the above as a reference to the evil angel prince of Rome who caused Rome to exercise dominion, who tried (along with Judas and Satan) to stop the Christ and failed, who was then cast into the abyss while the gospel was preached around the world. He has been released in these last days and leads the spiritual forces of wickedness in setting the stage for the return of Satan possessed Judas. They're picking up where they left off in the first century however, their goal is different this time around as laid out in Rev 12 & 13.
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20 hours ago, WilliamL said:
So no wonder the wonder.
I can agree that things are going to get much more bizarre, even more than the current gaslighting. What I find fascinating about Revelation 17:8-9 is why the people wonder. It's stated that they wonder because "he was, and is not, and will come." There's something that ties him to the first century or before that people will recognize. It is true that the man of sin deceives the world because of the signs it is given him to perform, but this wonderment stems from something different.
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On 4/19/2023 at 3:52 PM, Last Daze said:
The question is, "what do they show people?" It's apparently something recognizable from history attributable to Rome, the beast's previous activity.
One thought that I've had centers around archeology. Whether Judas is raised from the dead for this specific purpose, or someone claims to be Judas is not the point. Getting people to believe that the man of sin is Judas is what matters and that might be accomplished through some archeological revelation. What better way to cast doubt on the entire New Testament than to deceive people into thinking that Jesus failed, and who better than an "immortal" Judas to "set the record straight"?
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I'm curious as to what other people think about the following passage, specifically, what do they see that makes them wonder:
* The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction. And those who live on the earth, whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was, and is not, and will come. Rev 17:8-9
Here's what we know:
* The beast comes up out of the abyss, a prison for evil spirit beings.
* When Revelation was written, the beast was not active but he previously had been (was, and is not).
* The wonder results from deception because unbelievers are the ones who wonder. The believers are not deceived, they don't wonder.
* Their wondering has something to do with the beast's prior manifestation.My thoughts are that this beast is the evil angel prince that caused Rome to exercise dominion. He worked in concert with Satan and Judas to kill the Messiah. To my knowledge, Judas was the only person in the Bible who Satan personally entered (Luke 22:3). Judas is called the son of perdition (John 17:12), a title also used for the man of sin. I think there will be a reunion of these three in the not too distant future.
The question is, "what do they show people?" It's apparently something recognizable from history attributable to Rome, the beast's previous activity.
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24 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:
Yes Sir,
I have been pointing fingers here and there. The real problem is we are not fighting with humans so much as the Thrones, Princes, and Powers of the Air behind the scenes—the real unseen shadow government. It is almost as though many, along with many politicians, have been turned over to a debased mind. Logic, reasoning, and critical thinking have been abolished from most of our institutions.
Children and the masses are brainwashed and forced to accept abominations and immorality through schools, government, media, talk shows, and corporate America. Are we witnessing any relationships of today with the days of Noah and Lot?
The world has gone crazy in such a short period. How else can it be rationally explained?
Exactly. What we're seeing today is beyond the scope of human ability alone.
What Do People See That Causes Them To Wonder?
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The beast who comes up out of the abyss is an evil spirit being. During his first appearance millennia ago, he brought us what we know as Rome. His end time appearance will produce a global government that the man of sin will rule over. He is not geographically bound to Rome.
It is this evil spirit who overcomes the two witnesses. The two witnesses are aided in their activities with help from angels of God. The "spirit of Elijah" is not simply a reference to his demeanor. He rested on John the Baptist, and will play a role in the coming judgment plagues.