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I don't believe this to be true. If it were, then it would mean that demons can be subdued with a pill. Think about it. Man do you believe any mental illness may be attributed to devils and if so what do you think medication will do in this instance ? If an individual is truly possessed, I don't believe there's a pill made that could subdue that demon. You guys there is a difference between people who are possessed and the mentally ill. There is real mental illness out there. You know, you act like demons aren't intelligent and that they want to make it obvious to others. They do not. There are people corrupted and possessed by demons and you wouldn't even know it.

I don't believe this to be true. If it were, then it would mean that demons can be subdued with a pill. Think about it. Yep

O.o this topic is getting hot!

lol!!! The mother ship oo....... Not concerning aliens peep, but serious abuse. People who have been pushed over the edge so far that they can't deal with it often disassociate their personalities into multiple selves. Of the ones I have met about a third of them can regularly see into the spiritual realm without any problem at all. It's very difficult to deal with without people who are trained to help.... or in my case who knows people who can. And it always pertains to things that no one is going to be willing to discuss openly..... just so you know..... I second that.

@kwikphilly AMEN PRAISE GOD!

@chloe-fantastic Well, that's good then isn't it? it feels good to know others have seen or experienced what I have. I am only telling what I know from my own experiences, is all, because I can only speak for myself.

You have no idea how much I appreciate what you have just said. I truly thank you for these words, and if you do not mind I am going to quote them and keep them in my journal so I can look back on them as I go through life. I hope that you are doing well, I hope God is with you each day of your life, and God Bless you too sister! I will keep you fondly in my thoughts!

lol!!! The mother ship oo....... rofl

Why are you asking me this? I think when you post something like this you should expect questions. I Am I not allowed to ask questions back, Rustyangel? I just wanted to know specifically why, that's all. I have spoken with OtherOne in PM about what they meant by that. If you are all curious, the basic answer to the question was that there I do not have any time periods that I do not remember.

Why are you asking me this?

That's interesting. I am only speaking from my own experience. I have always believed that God has protected me so I have never had any physical encounters. I am not saying I know it all I just passing what I knew.

I think, but this is my personal opinion in reflection to myself. I think that God had not wanted me to see his face in those dreams I was having because he wanted to test my Faith. In the car crash dream, I had no idea it was even him until later when I woke up and strongly felt an urgency about that dream from the Holy Spirit. But it took me several months to figure that out, I mean, that God was in the dream with me because I was puzzled as to who it was. I mean, you don't just sit down and assume God is going to join you in your dreams! In this last dream, which I had yesterday about the restaurant, he let me see the back of his head to conclude that it was in fact him intervening in my sleep. It was a comforting to feeling to even be able to look upon the Lord like that without it being my imagination. If I ever get to see his face, though, I will tell you. I am not sure if I ever will, because that I think would take the mystery out of the afterlife. We will see, maybe years down the road. I am hopeful.

Well, I only saw him briefly. Any time I have seen him in my dream, I have not ever seen his face. It seems like each time I go to look at his face, he is either turned away from me or it is blurred and I cannot make it out. Like in one of my dreams with Jesus, I was in a car crash. All I saw was long brown wavy hair, and of course a man's body. He was clothed in light in the dream with the car crash, and that was the same for the dream with the restaurant memory. When I turned to look back at him after he took the menu I saw the back of his head and him walking away in bright light. He walked away so quick, and then I woke up. In the dream with the car crash, he was driving the car to save me from death. When I looked over to him, I had no idea who it was at first, because I had not had such a vivid dream in a while and this was back at the beginning of my coming back to the Faith. I looked right at him in my dream, but his face was blurred.

Demons can influence objects, but they don't do it often. If you are saved, you should not have any problem with demons, and they should not influence objects around you. This kind of stuff only happens to those who defy God. The most in my experience I have ever seen that they can do is deceive you. They are masters at trying to scare you, but that is all they can do. They cannot by any means cause you any physical harm, that is all Hollywood. They have no means to manifest themselves physically, so they cannot do anything to you. The kind of influence that they would have the ability to do is more so minor. I don't know if your friend was in a moment of fear and having a wild imagination because you need to understand that in itself the mind is a very powerful tool. When you are afraid, that can play a big toll on what it is you see and what it is that you are anxious about. Demons use deception to cause you fear more than they do anything else. All a person needs is fear, and anxiety, and then a bit of imagination that can work wonders on their doubts and weaknesses to turn away from God. That is why you just need to keep close to your Bible, and if you are saved all you need to know is that God will not let them harm you. After all, Children of God have dominion over Satan and his fallen.

This is my question regarding this. I understand that a long time ago others who were prophets of God, or who were gifted, would perform signs in order to prove that God was the true God. But, why is it that my gift has to be for the use of proving others on such a grandeur scale? One of things I have come to understand that he has done with my dreams, for example, is that the Holy Spirit will talk with me in my mind as I sleep. The last one I just had he went over a memory I had of myself at work talking about another coworker when I was frustrated. The Holy Spirit was telling me in my mind that this was not the way of those of the light, and he told me that I need to work harder on respecting all people's frustrations by keeping it to myself even if I meant talking about it with my coworkers in a light hearted way to deal with the stress because regardless talking about others is not very nice. Then, in my dream, to signal that it was in fact God's intervention, I had a menu in my hand because I work as a hostess at a restaurant. I was turned with my back to Jesus as he approached, and then all of a sudden Jesus reached out and grabbed the menu from my hand. I felt a force grab an imaginary menu from my hand in real life, which woke me up from a deeper sleep, and then just before I awoke from my deeper sleep I turned the moment the menu was taken and watched Jesus walking farther away into the dining room. When I awoke, I was still somewhat asleep, and it was quiet and peaceful in my room. I asked God in my mind if that was him intervening, because my dream experiences and recognition of the Holy Spirit's guidance had grown, and he sent me happiness and a peaceful feeling. So, I say this as an example to point out that maybe God gave me these abilities as a way of teaching me how to shape myself as a person. That perhaps this is his unique way of intervening in my life to show that he loves me and cares about me and wants me to grow in his light for the betterment of my chance to glorify him. He gave me the ability to write rather well when it comes to stories, and after a while of convening with him I have learned that going towards an English degree in my Education is what I am to do with my life. Later, I am going to write a book about all of the experiences I have with God the closer I get to him to somehow give back to the world. But, I do not consider myself a person who would try and parade around the world and prophetically speak about the things that God has given me. Because in regards to dreams, he does not ever give (or so far in my life) me dreams which would concern others. More so, myself, and they center around kind of a father daughter relationship. Generally when he does this, I need to be careful because it means that if I do not change I will have to deal with it later. The only thing that I have in regards to gifts that I feel could help others is my spiritual discernment. That, even in action, is on a basic level. As I said I am not a psychic and I never want to be one. The Holy Spirit lets me see if someone needs encouragement, or if they need to be warned away from taking a darker path like I once was on. Is that a bad thing? Being able to reach out to others who need help if the Holy Spirit gives me the urgent feeling to do so? Of course, I would have to proceed with caution during a time of life that we live in, but more or less I have only ever expressed my gifts openly with those who do not make me feel fearful. I am afraid of rejection, and perhaps that this "opening up" that the Holy Spirit wants me to do will be apart of a lesson in conquering that fear. Which this thread is giving me the opportunity to begin doing, as well as going back to church on a regular basis to work with those who are more experienced in the Faith than I am.

And you know, this is to all of you that has responded. Please forgive me for being so blunt, and so honest, in my very first post. I can't explain to you what it's like being able to see physical people, and then right next to them being able to see angels. I only see angels now, and I can thank the Lord God Almighty begging and raising my arms on my knees for that. I know there is a God, I have walked with him in my dreams. I am sure there are points, whether you remember it or not, that we have all had a dream or unique experience with God. Everyone experiences him differently, and this is how he gave me the ability to experience him. I don't know why, and I have been pondering as to why he did so for several years. My mother inherited the gifts, she always talks about how she has "good intuition," but that downplays what it is that she can actually see. So, I just wanted to apologize for being brash. I am still quite fearful of branching out to others, but God wants me to, and that is something he pushes for me strongly to do due to the fact that I have spent many years in solitude from the fear of seeing darkness and having no one to relate to about it. It was several years of prayer, and pleads with God, and begging, to get him to help me. In a way, I should have known I was capable of being able to help myself. I should have taken responsibility for the matter and tried to consult with a church who would support me. But I was Catholic, and not that many Catholic churches were open to spiritual discernment as much as my own. And being so emotional about it, I know it would have been impossible during the time that I was going through the peak of the darkness to ever branch out. So, in a way, the years of solitude in learning on my own how to deal and cope with my experiences was a good thing. Before I went back to the church, I had gotten to the point that I was not afraid of the darkness around me. I literally at the point when I was really growing into my ability during my teenage years was so scared that I could not sleep without the lights on. I had sleeping problems from being woken up in the middle of the night over this stuff for quite some time. But that's all over now. I don't know, the point of this submission was to let you know I am in fact rather friendly. I just want to make some new friends, and I was trying to see if there were other people maybe on this site who had spiritual discernment as well. To see if I could work with them or help anyone who needed help with it. 1 Corinthians 12:1-11 Concerning Spiritual Gifts (ESV) Now concerning[a] spiritual gifts,[b] brothers,[c] I do not want you to be uninformed. 2 You know that when you were pagans you were led astray to mute idols, however you were led. 3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit. 4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; 5 and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; 6 and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. 7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. 8 For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit,10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills. To me, I interpret this as the way that I was taught to interpret it. People are given the sight of spirits, and they can see either angels or darkness. They can then use this ability to alert others if darkness, or light is in their lives or around the area. But they can only do so if the Holy Spirit wants them to, and they need to be able to have a strong connection with the Holy Spirit in order to be able to do so. They have to admit that it is God who performs these gifts through them, and that without them it is nothing that they themselves could ever do. When you lose sight of the fact that any gift you have regarding in this nature is from God and works through you by the Holy Spirit, you lose the gift. There were times when the gift was very active in my life, because I was closer to God in that moment, and then times when it worked against me because I was straying from the God I knew who was so very real in ignorance to let my fears take hold of me. Also, when I was sinning, and trying to find other means to deal with a situation that could only be dealt with through God.

How do you do that and what do you see? Relax it's not an attack, it is me setting my own guidelines for this discussion. I have been doing it my entire life. I see angels around me with my physical eyes all of the time. But it is not me who does it, the Lord does it through me. Without God, I would not be able to do any of this. The Holy Spirit pours all over me, and I can look into people's souls, and I can look around all of their life just in the moment I am talking with them (generally this is one on one contact because I have never tried to actually ask God to implement this through the computer screen not sure how that would work) God gives me feelings that I try to convey with his spirit through my words. For example, today at church I was talking to a friend. I looked at him while he was having a conversation with me, but I was not looking at him exactly, the Holy Spirit was looking at him through me. I told him I am not sure where God is going with this, but I feel like you have something going on in your life that is a bit unsettling. I did not ask him what it was because I did not want to know, nor did I need to know. All I did was relay to him that I saw angels all around his life right now, and that whatever was going on in his life God was with him, and that he did not need to be afraid. I can see when demons or angels are present in people's lives. I cannot predict the future, and I cannot read minds, nor would I want to because that is not my place to do. Sorry I always feel like I have to overly explain myself to make people understand I am not plagued by demons or have darkness within me. I just want to get the truth across as accurately and openly as possible. If you need to ask any more questions, feel free to ask them, I am not going to run away unless someone literally tells me this experience of mine is wrong because I know for a fact that it is not. ***I just wanted to add that God can do anything so me being able to help others through a computer screen regardless of how it is done would still be possible. I cannot limit him. Thank you. It is good that you attend a church, I am a supporter of attending church! What do your pastor or elders have to say about your experiences? My Pastor is open minded because I am not the only person who has come into the church with the gift of spiritual discernment. There are people who are older than me, who have gone through the same experiences with the Lord, who are in their 40's and 50's that I can relate to in detail about the gifts that I have. They have all confirmed the things that I see, such as the constant amount of angels present around the church, and they have all been quite generous and open minded to help me in my time of need. I consult with them almost 3 times a week, and every Sunday we all share new experiences from the Lord with one another. We have a feeling that God put us all together for a reason, but we have not figured that out yet.

This is what I don't like. No one has ever spoken to anyone who is no longer alive. That comes from the occult. I don't think Christians belong even being a part of things like this. Now we have people wanting to know if you have ever talked with the dead. This very dangerous territory. Nothing in scripture supports this and for a new believer it could be very disastrous . To me this is right into what I would call New Age. I'm glad your here and you have questions. But you basically said if anyone disagreed with you would not come back? Are you not willing to have an open discussion even if we don't agree? I have never talked with the dead. What I thought was the dead, from what I have confirmed with the Bible, were Satan's spirits tricking me with deception by taking on personas that seemed heavenly or "safe" to me. They would do so in order to get in my good graces, and to mess with me. I went through many periods of time before I was saved trying to come to terms with the fact that I was capable of seeing such darkness. That was what scared me away from coming to the light, and trying to focus on God in the first place. Because it always seemed so hard to do, and at that point I had developed years of distrust with anything in the spiritual realm. I eventually put myself into therapy, trying to use my rational mind in order to comprehend why God would ever make me have to see things like this. I openly expressed my experiences with a therapist, and I went through the process to see if I were diagnosed with anything mentally. They concluded I was not insane because of the way that I acted, and they said that the reason I was "seeing things" was because of lack of sleep. Which it was not true, and over time I accepted the fact that this was not going to go anywhere and I would need to find a spiritual way of dealing with this. A voice always hung in my mind constantly telling me that "those who exploit their gifts are not of a Godly nature," and it put me off from trying to seek out mediums and psychics who ask for money to speak with the dead, etc. So, you know, I dilly dallied for a few years doing my best to ignore it. They came in waves, whenever in my life, moving from being constant around me to hardly at all. I always had that whisper, like I am sure everyone has, to go back to church. I was afraid of it, because like I said I had grown an extreme distrust in all people around me especially this spiritual experience I had. Because people always pushed me away from fear of not understanding when I opened up, and then I could obviously never trust what was going on in the sense I was dealing with due to the fact that I would have just ran myself into a hole trying to figure it out on my own. I assure you this was not something I could have dealt with alone, and God knows that, in the beginning I needed all the help I could get to bring only lightness around me. I found a church, through a dream that I had and a radio advertisement, that God told me that he wanted me to go to. I was hesitant, but then he poured peace all over me, and he constantly reminded me in my head that it was time to come back to him. So, I went to the church, and I became apart of the church family. I am still a newcomer, but I am now a regular attendee. it is of the nondenominational christian descent, and my Pastor despite having only known me a few months has welcomed me as his own daughter with open arms. Other members of the church who have gifts of spiritual discernment have helped me as well. They have shown me the tools I needed to assess what is light, and what is dark, and after being saved I know I can say that I do not see darkness any longer. I only see angels, and with the help of the Bible I learned that all of the points where I thought a spirit was "reaching out to me" who was a loved one that had passed on, was not a loved one at all. I did not commit to talking to them for long, because I figured it out and my trust was betrayed, but I did at moments talk to these spirits. I felt alone, and they preyed on my loneliness. Now I do not feel alone any longer because the Holy Spirit acts as a Father to me. He has increased the strength of my dreams, and when I am asleep at night he uses this dream tactic to step into them and teach me ways to use my gift from God as a tool for the purpose he has for me. I write and analyze different verses from the Bible in my own independent study constantly. Whenever I am unsure of anything regarding my spiritual experiences, I always consult the Bible or speak with others who have more knowledge than myself in order to combat the situation. I have come to fully recognize what is false, and what I know is truth. The more and more I work with the Holy Spirit on my gifts, the stronger they become. I am fearful only because this is such a drastic change, but at the same time I am happy and thankful because I know that the gifts of mine are truly within God because it has only been since my return to the Church and getting a second baptism and becoming truly saved that I have had such deeper, and stronger, experiences than I used to. Any time you the Lord puts you out of your comfort zone, my Pastor says, it is always a good thing. I just need to take time and to be patient and continue to work with God on what it is he wants for me to use this gift with.

The reason I even brought this to the attention of others is because I am seeking to learn. I am trying to understand what I am going through, and I am trying to grow in my relationship with God in order to be able to accurately deal with this. I said that I would never come back because I am obviously, from the way this is written, allowing you into something that is personal to me. I don't talk about this often, and none of the posts that I have yet read seem like an attack...I am shy, and I would like to meet new friends here, but if this didn't go well I meant that what I said which was rather boldly (which I commented on and apologized for) that I was probably not going to be able to handle it. That was what I was worried about. I am trying to branch out to completely understand if what I am going through is of a Godly nature, or if there is something else. Is it not better to have confirmation with other believers who are farther along than yourself in the spiritual path in order to grow? I am trying to find wiser minds who can provide me guidance in order to help me shape my beliefs as I go along. To cut out what is evil, and to bring in only what is good. And it's not that I do not, or have not, been searching the Word to confirm what is going on to me. I have been reading and analyzing the Word since I returned to my Faith, and I have been working closely with my Pastor in my experiences. There are other people in my church who have confirmed what I have seen is truth because they themselves have seen the angels as well. There are other people who have felt that I have some sort of gift from the moment that I started going to the church I go to. My Pastor is open minded, and each time I get a dream, we sit down and talk about these dreams. But that is not what we are talking about here, we are talking about the discernment of spirits.

The bible doesn't talk about anywhere that the deceased are capable of coming back to earth after passing on. You spent your time here, and then you go to Paradise. As for these experiences, I am not trying to cause any problems here, so I will not be using this thread as a means to boldly stand out about what I experience.

How do you do that and what do you see? Relax it's not an attack, it is me setting my own guidelines for this discussion. I have been doing it my entire life. I see angels around me with my physical eyes all of the time. But it is not me who does it, the Lord does it through me. Without God, I would not be able to do any of this. The Holy Spirit pours all over me, and I can look into people's souls, and I can look around all of their life just in the moment I am talking with them (generally this is one on one contact because I have never tried to actually ask God to implement this through the computer screen not sure how that would work) God gives me feelings that I try to convey with his spirit through my words. For example, today at church I was talking to a friend. I looked at him while he was having a conversation with me, but I was not looking at him exactly, the Holy Spirit was looking at him through me. I told him I am not sure where God is going with this, but I feel like you have something going on in your life that is a bit unsettling. I did not ask him what it was because I did not want to know, nor did I need to know. All I did was relay to him that I saw angels all around his life right now, and that whatever was going on in his life God was with him, and that he did not need to be afraid. I can see when demons or angels are present in people's lives. I cannot predict the future, and I cannot read minds, nor would I want to because that is not my place to do. Sorry I always feel like I have to overly explain myself to make people understand I am not plagued by demons or have darkness within me. I just want to get the truth across as accurately and openly as possible. If you need to ask any more questions, feel free to ask them, I am not going to run away unless someone literally tells me this experience of mine is wrong because I know for a fact that it is not. ***I just wanted to add that God can do anything so me being able to help others through a computer screen regardless of how it is done would still be possible. I cannot limit him.

Before I get into this, I just want to clarify something. I have been saved, and I am not on a bad path of life. I know for certain I have connected with God in ways that I have never connected with him in my life before. I mean, of course you have to consider that you only know what you know of me from what it is that you have learned through my words. People are always weary of me when it comes to this topic, and it makes sense to be because if I were the person on the other side then I would be weary as well. You can only trust those you are certain with your heart that are not going to put harm upon you. I have always been a person who has pushed people away from my life, but God is telling me that he wants me to draw out, and I just want to comment on the fact that this is extremely scary for me. I am not very social as a person in real life, and when it comes to the spiritual side of the spectrum it makes me even shyer. But, I am trying my best to conquer some fears. So I ask you while you are reading this, if you take the time to do so, please have an open mind and please be delicate with me. Because I will be honest with you, if I get a response that i feel is meant in a way to tell me how I feel and what I am experiencing is wrong--then I am going to never come back here. I don't know you guys, and you guys don't know me. So I am trying to take the first step in giving you a bit of who I am, to try and see if this is apart of what God wants me to do in reaching out. I am way better in words, on the keyboard, than I am in person and trying to get to know someone. I just want to make friends, but I feel like I just always do something wrong. But I know I cannot be alone in this, and the best way to come full circle in the plan that God has for me is to have people who are farther along the path of light than myself intervene in my life or share words of wisdom like they are doing in my church in order to completely grow. I don't know how to go about this, all I know is I just trust God to give me the words to convey specifically what it is that needs to be said. I want to let it all out, and if its a bit "raw to the point" sort of honesty, then forgive me because I guess that's what needs to be done. I guess I should stop trying to say sorry for what I am about to say and instead say it. Like I said, I am afraid because this is a big side of me that is extremely personal and I am afraid to share with others because the last thing I want is to put people off or make them afraid or think I am nuts. Because I am not crazy, and I am sick of living in a life where I go back and forth from these experiences as they constantly stare me in the face and they make me feel like I am. I am trying to embrace them, and you know I am trying to find a way to put forth good works with them for the Lord in order to make this exactly what it is that he needs to have done. I love you Lord, please give me the words to say when I enter into my next paragraph. As you can see, these are my direct thoughts coming out right into the post. Okay, so I mentioned briefly in the chat today that I have the ability to visually enter into the spiritual realm. I said it loosely, because you know how am I supposed to know what people are going to say and how they are going to react? Again, I don't know any of you, and this is hard for me. I know that Lord Jesus Christ came into the flesh, okay? I know he is my Lord, and the only spirit that I can communicate with is the Holy Spirit. He has taken all of the darkness out of my life, and in the past all I used to see were demons and malevolent beings. But, again I am saved, and that is not what I see any longer. I am much more sound minded in everything that is happening in my life. I have a good focus, and if you had known me before the fall semester of 2013 at my college had started, you would have felt the darkness. I have had moments in my life you would not even begin to understand, okay, I have seen dark spirits in a way that people would hate to have knowledge of. One thing I have learned when it comes to the darker experiences, I need to keep it to myself. I could go on and on with stories, but that is not the point of the message. Because I am just learning you guys, and you guys are just learning me as well, and I am afraid to put you off. I want to really find someone I can just connect with, a friend that is completely open minded, or perhaps I should start a blog and just let all of what I have been keeping locked up in my mind be set free.... maybe it's time that I talk about the dark experiences in order to even more so embrace God's light. I love him, and he had been shaping and molding and changing me so much for the better. I know he has because I have not seen one demon ever since I have been saved, and all I ever see anymore are angels. This is also subject to, of course, what it is that you believe in. Some people are going to look at this message, my confession, and they are going to think I am nuts. Well, I say bring it on, okay? You don't know me, and all I am trying to do is reach out. I am not going to change what I know is real in front of my eyes, so if you feel the need to tell me that what I am not seeing is real then I am sorry that you cannot see it yourself. I am doing my best to learn a way to share this with the world, and the only way to share is by passing on my experiences either by word of mouth or through writing which is my major outlet of all. I just am almost to tears because you have no idea how badly I have wanted to get this off my chest, how much I want to get off my chest, so many memories and things happening in my mind that I just need to release...I don't know. Only God knows. And you know, people keep telling me that I should just take the time to let it all unfold. You are saying that to someone who has spent 22 years in silence, someone who has 22 years worth of visual feedback from the spiritual realm to release and express and share with everyone. Those of you who have seen it for yourselves, because I know I am not entirely alone, will know what I mean. I think that we all have our own way of experiencing it, but I want to find someone or some people I can trust...because other than God, and my Pastor, I hardly have anyone. And do you know how hard it is in the world to express these things? There's a reason why those of us with gifts shy away from the chance of opening up. I feel good now, I feel some peace in me, and I think I have gotten out at this moment what I feel needs to be said. I look forward to responses, hopefully I get at least one, and if not I will just be patient and let what happens happen. God bless you all, and have a great holiday season. Sorry for the bluntness, I assure you this was not that easy to get off my chest. -Dee