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8 minutes ago, OneLight said:

I see it this way.  For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.  If God does not distinguish between color, then neither will I.

Yes, black lives matter, as all life matters.  Why are we not seeing BLM speak to their own first and try to stop the homicides among blacks? 

because  in that context the ones doing the killing aren't the ones supposed to keep  order. A certain standard is expected of police officers. So when a high amount of non violent  offenders of a certain race  are getting killled dur to excessive forcr then something is wrong. 

This is hilarious  though. People in this thread are dancing around the fire all kinda ways talking about police reputations and how  other races were illtreated centuries ago. noones showing any concern that  theres a current trend of black people getting murdered by police officers using excessive force. Where's Christianity in that? Is that showing for your brother? 

5 minutes ago, Rick_Parker said:

If you do the research, you will find that more whites have been killed by police than blacks. 46.3% of unarmed men killed by police were white, 22% were black, 14.8% were Hispanic, while the remaining % were other or unknown. That is a 2019 statistic.

Maybe because there are far more whites in America than blacks. That's why they're called a minority.

And why are you comparing  anyway? If you want to make or support a movement to prevent deaths of whites by police ,you have every right to but why oppose tje blacks struggle to prevent themselves from getting killed?

8 minutes ago, shortangel said:

I agree with everything said here,  all lives matter every race & color matters it doesn't matter to God what race you are he cares for everybody

This really has nothing to do with God. Noones debating that God cares for us all. But people are unknowingly trivializing  the issue with this All Lives  Matter argument.  It reflects badly on Christians  imo

32 minutes ago, branchesofHim said:

Trail of Tears, in U.S. history, the forced relocation during the 1830s of Eastern Woodlands Indians of the Southeast region of the United States (including Cherokee, Creek, Chickasaw, Choctaw, and Seminole, among other nations) to Indian Territory west of the Mississippi River.

The onset of World War II brought accelerated persecution and deportation and later, mass murder, to the Jews of Germany. In all, the Germans and their collaborators killed between 160,000 and 180,000 German Jews in the Holocaust, including most of those Jews deported out of Germany.

Understand? 

Well if you want to critique  a current ongoing problem using past attrocities that happened decades ago go ahead. But I'd advise you not do it on a public forum like this. When Christians state things like that  it makes all of us look bad and uncaring  to the problems of others 

3 hours ago, Debp said:

Yes, so true.   And also police officers' lives matter, too.

After the massive Los Angeles riots of 1992, our police department had a major overhaul.   News rules for police, changes in leadership.   So basically I think our police here are pretty good.

During the current events, hardly any physical violence was used.   

U clearly didnt see the videos of the child getting pepper sprayed or the police shooting at people in their porch 

10 hours ago, branchesofHim said:

Black, brown, yellow, white and every other color of a person with life matters. Shalom.

Ill give u an analogy that helps understand the issue.

Imagine  you are at your relatives funeral  and you are giving the eulogy. You say -He was a good husband and loving father and a man jumps on the stage and says - So! There are lots of great and loving fathers!Why don't they get appreciation? How would you feel?

Annoyed and think they are out of place right?

That's what the All lives matter  retort  is doing.

No-one is disputing that all lives matter  but the truth is America has a history of unpunished  or underpunished  murders against blacks -lynchings ,police killings etc - that people are trying  to bring attention  to.  They're trying to say that our lives matter  too. 

Other races don't have that  issue as much as blacks. In the last few years we've had several incidences where non violent black  men or women were killed by police using excessive  force. How many whites  or Asians did that happen to?

So by saying all lives matter people  are trying to divert attention  away from a very real issue which is causing people to DIE which most likely wonr affect them. Which is just awful and selfish. Understand?

9 hours ago, LonerAndy said:

It's all a matter of your world view, and perspective.

Even in your own post, my position would be that two wrongs doesn't make it right.  Was Fox News denying that Floyd was killed?  Or that the police had a knee on his neck?

So what was wrong with the Fox News coverage?  Nothing.

The difference is, I do not think that because police did something wrong, means that now you can do wrong yourself, and it's fine.  That you can set fire to buildings, smash and grab from stores, and destroy half the city.

It's just perspective.

I actually like Fox News, because they oppose President Trump, whenever they think he is wrong.  That to me, gives them more honest credibility than CNN/MSNBC, which never once criticized anything Obama, or Clinton before him, did.

Just my opinion.

Ok good point. 

1 hour ago, Daniel Marsh said:

Someone who wants to break the law will use any excuse to do so.    The Police thing is not the cause of the roits.  

 

The people who choose to roit is the cause.

 

I think the protests are hypocritical because all lives matters even the unborn. 

 

 

Please don't go there.  It'll open a can of worms  that'll totally take the post off topic 

Is how well it works. We were watching the news coverage so we watched both CNN  (blatantly democrat) and FOX NEWS (blatantly republican ) and the difference in coverage was jarring. 

Now note I'm going to try to be as objective as possible so please  stick to the propaganda and not the party.

CNN focused  in the various murders of black men over the years and the last one that led to the riots  (very important). It also stressed how they think  getting the miltary involved was a bad idea me violated the law and will  make things  worse. Little reference to the violence against  police  going on.

FOX  NEWS-

High emphasis on violence  against  police  on tje riots  (very important as well)and  on the incompetence  of the governors and why we need to  call in the military  to restore order. Little emphasis  on the violence against blacks and the death that led to the riots.

I'm not saying who is roght or wrong. But what amused  me was a relative watching for angry at fox news  for what they focused on and ignored the fact CNN was biased too. When I pointed out each station  pusjed it's own agenda the said yes-Good (CNN) vs Bad(Fox) 

It showed me how amazingly effective how propaganda  Is by selectively choosing facts  both stations  pushed their own agendas and divert peoples minds.

Then people  on either side start to see it as good vs evil based on who they side with. 

Please don't change this to how evil the liberals are. Fact is both sides  can be just as guilty of manipulation 

1 hour ago, R. Hartono said:

What scripture ?

Its all provoked to prevent Trump from winning the election again.

PLEASE DON'T MAKE IT POLITICAL

Sometimes our brother's and sisters in Christ may go off the rails.

In this case. Something to remember

3 hours ago, Melinda12 said:

A terrible crime. No doubt the police officers responsible shall be punished here on earth and God will judge them in the end. That is how i view the matter as a christian. 

The protests will spread coronavirus very rapidly. Thus visiting death and suffering on many many people. This world is now filled with overreaction and hatred. 

 

 

I was thinking this too. Theyll make it far worse..

39 minutes ago, LonerAndy said:

I generally just try not to get involved in such discussion about racism, because people are not thinking or talking, they are freaking out and yelling and screaming.

I don't think you can answer or talk to anyone, and have a civil conversation.

Now don't say this to anyone, because they'll just get angry.  This wasn't racism.  This was a bad cop.  I saw the video myself, the officer put his knee on the guys neck.  You never put your knee on someone's neck.   Worse, the guy in question was already in cuffs.  There is video before the incident, showing the guy was already in cuffs.

So, this was just a bad officer.  I have no idea why he put his knee on that guys neck.  Makes no sense.  Still doesn't mean it was racists.  Just bad police work that resulted in death.

Now, some question what caused the death, because there is no evidence of a neck injury, or that he was choked out.  Maybe some other health issues were involved.  Apparently he had a history of drug use.

But it doesn't matter that much, because if you pin someone to the ground with your knee on their neck, and then they die, you simply can't rule out a connection between the two.

So, my guess is the officer will do time in prison for manslaughter.

The Chief of Police said very directly, that officers are trained to put their knee on a suspects shoulder blades if they are trying to hold him down.

So....  honestly there really isn't an excuse for this.  The officer will likely be convicted and have his life ruined, and it's really sad.  The whole thing is just sad.

And I don't understand why the other officers didn't just put a hand on the officers shoulder and say "get off the guys neck".  If one person who stood up and said "come on, get off his neck", this whole thing would have never happened.

Real sad.

Racism can take many forms. Maybe it was just a bad cop or may be its a man who's been emboldened  by an atmosphere where excessive force  can be used on certian people with far less response than it would get with others. It's like  story my mother tells about my aunt. She was younger  so she realised she could start hitting my mother for no reason and say Stop acting like she was the one being beaten up and my mother would get beaten by my grandparent. 

So she did it repeatedly until  one day my mother had enough and kicked the stuffing out of her when she tried it  and she never did it again. Same principle

CENTURIES of excessive force on blacks by whites in authority may have made this man think he can do that. Look at the mob who chased and shot the black jogger. One was an ex officer 

1 hour ago, BeauJangles said:

Okay. 

Yeah, I saw it. Totally off topic with the subject of the opster and everyone else's. Here's the verse in your cartoon though and a good explanation. It's literal in this instance, not pertaining to racial relationships and having children. It simply means what it says. Don't mix different crops together. They won't grow right. Farmers know this. It just makes sense. You're probably a city boy. I used to live in the country. Okay topic over. 

Deuteronomy 22:9 KJV : ⁹Thou shalt not sow thy vineyard with divers seeds: lest the fruit of thy seed which thou hast sown, and the fruit of thy vineyard, be defiled.

Deuteronomy 22:9 NLT : You must not plant any other crop between the rows of your vineyard

 

Deuteronomy 22:9 - Commentary & Verse Meaning - Bible

https://www.biblestudytools.com/.../gills-exposition-of-the-bible/deuteronomy-22-9.html

Deuteronomy 22:9 Thou shall not sow thy vineyards with divers seeds As wheat and barley between the rows of the vines; and this is to be understood only of divers sorts of corn, and of divers sorts of herbs, but not of trees; hence we read of a fig tree in a vineyard, ( Luke 13:6 ) , and this only respects what is sown with design, and not what is casual, as the Jews interpret it.

Huh?

You do realise I'm parodying how silly racists  are to take verses out of context  righttp oppose interracial marriage and promote  racial separation ?

One of our sister church's  pastors told us that Christians  actually  used that verse to oppose interracial marriage  a I'm showing how silly it was. 

20 hours ago, shortangel said:

this week there has been a terrible killing of a black man by a police officer   what he did was not good,  now there are riots & looting all across the U.S. what does everyone think of what happened???  how can Christians respond to this type of a thing???  what does God's Word say about Raceism????

The  bible never makes racial divisions as far as i know.  Humans are all one species and skin colour and racial features are just petty differences.  Unfortunately  some people have not renewed their mind and still hold on to evil  prejudices.  Sad to say  some people will distort  bible verses to justify their mindsets and claim racism is biblical. Best examples seen are when it comes to interracial marriages.  I drew a piece on it.

15 hours ago, LadyKay said:

I have to say I never encounter people like that in my life. Does that happen to you a lot?  Do people calling themselves Christians actually talk that way about other Christians?  

What I've seen was people blast or talk condescendingly to young people  on topics such as their behaviour and laughing to myself because I remembered when the same person was that are and doing the same thing they were now basically speaking down to.

Mind you it's important to correct each other but when you know you were once guilty of it you should mind your attitude

22 hours ago, BeauJangles said:

Is Africa Cursed

That's a very insightful thought compared to those tasteless illustrations you post. Nicely stated. 

Well that was a backhanded compliment  if I ever heard one.

No it's that Europe carved up ,pillaged and depopulated Africa to make itself rich. The social and economic results of centuries of colonialism are still being felt today

Based on something amusing i once saw.  Ever notice how condemnatory some people can be of younger  or less mature Christians forgetting how bad they themselves  we're once  before the matured or even got saved.  Sometimes we can unconsciously  get prideful and less sympathetic  to others forgetting that people sometimes need the patience and guidance we were afforded rather than blasting

On 5/22/2020 at 5:55 PM, warrior12 said:

Growing up in the Caribbean, there was a saying that my mother use to pound into us.  

"Who can't hear shall feel"

In the Jamacian lingo

Who cyaa hear mus feel.

Who can't hear, must feel

We bajans say hard ears you won't hear. By and by ya gine feel

On 5/22/2020 at 5:16 PM, LadyKay said:

And there goes our covid-19 numbers back up again. 

My fear is .... while all these other countries are making restrictions the nonsense thatscgoing in in the U.S. is gonna make things worse and cases second wave and alot more deaths. Worst thing about it is that some Christians  are jumping on the band wagon and showing support acting as if it's Godly behaviour  rather than selfishness

Wow. I posted this 6 years ago

23 hours ago, Rick_Parker said:

You can't live in fear. Stop listening to the government and see for yourself. Yes, the virus is very contagious. Yes, people are dying. But they are mostly the elderly and those with preexisting conditions. Children don't spread it to adults. It is time for people to come out of their homes and revive the nation.

so basically you're saying  the elderly or the  people with pre existing conditions dont really matter .... cause theyre the ones wholl be at risk

On 4/29/2020 at 5:12 PM, Neighbor said:

I find that a pathway to transgression against God that will dishonor my creator from the get go and harm me as result!!! 

 

Well everyone has an opinion.