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@WorthyWatchmen I am not sure the context in these very selective verses that are directed at very different situations, answers my question. we are made for gods glory, he wishes that none would perish yet still knowing the end and that many would perish and that many would not choose him, he chooses to continue to create people and and subjugate them to his ruling knowing that they will not choose him, then forcing them to pay an eternal price for their lack of belief? I still havn't made sense of this yet. I believe in Gods sovereignty and ultimately in his justice. I have a hard time with this though. I am not saying he is not fair. I am just saying that i haven't found a way to understand his purposes. Not that i need to, but still the questions remain. I believe that we are the glory of an almighty God. I also am starting to believe that God has from the begining knes who would choose him as we have actually be created to do so (john 10:27, Romans 8:28-30, Ephesians 1:4,5,11). This being the case, I wonder if even though God loves the world and wishes that none would perish, that the world and its inhabitants have only been created, ultimately, to be destroyed in efforts to gain the attention of the elect.

So are you saying God can not judge angels himself so he needed us to do it? To judge the Angels.

I totally agree with many of the posters already on here. The Genesis text places Adam close to, if not right next to Eve while the event occurred. Other text in the Bible place the fall of man in the lap of Adam and in regards to the future, the Bible describes Jesus as the second Adam placing significance and symbolism in Adam not Eve. We no longer hear about Eve, at least in the sense where we are to continue to use her as a reference point for salvation which in my opinion is the point of scripture. To know God and be known by him. She played her role but ultimately it was to teach us all about God's divine order and that for sin there would be repercussion. I too believe that the blame fell ultimately with Adam and ultimately falls into the hands of the head of the household which would be the man. I think for me a bigger question is since God is providential wouldn't he have known before Adam and Eve fell, that they were going to fall in the first place?. If so, why would He have created us all in the first place knowing that ultimately many would not choose Him.