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That's not what I said. Under the Covenant of Cirumcision before the Law was given their sins were not held against them because they were in the righteousness of Abraham through the Covenant of Cirumcision and they were not Judged for their sins. Their sins were not held against them.

Please do not mention the word doctrine because we are discussing from scripture. I am able to explain what I posted about being clean from the pollution of the Idols. That was important for Abraham that he was clean from the pollution of the worship of the Idols. And foremost he was a just man on his own standing. In Genesis 15 God made him righteous by degree so he will remain righteous in his standing before Him even if he did sone unrighteous act (as later on he did and God punished the King for the Sin of Abraham and the King complaint to God why he is punishing him and all his Nation for the sin of Abraham) If not God will never had drawn to choose him to make him the Patriarch of his Nation. After Abraham his offsprings were consider clean because they were born from the clean seed of Abraham and were also by an oath of God in the Covenant of Cirumcision his own children is like Abraham bring forth children for God they were his children born to him and they were branded from birth on the eight day of Cirumcision. They were conceived to him and they will be born to him the Circumcision had to take place at the eight day when the mother was declared clean and at the same time the baby for the same reason was declared clean. With the Covenant of Cirumcision as it was not the same as when under the Sinai Covenant the Israelites were not Judged their sins were not held against them they were the people of God because of the Cirumcision not because of what they did or not, it was like that some of the people of God were worshiping the Idols still the people of God and they were not judge to be cut off from God because their was not nothing in place for their reconciliation when they sin they were not judge by God. The did not have the fellowship of God to be with them for a number of reasons one is they were not sanctified and they were in Egypt a non sanctified Land something close to that because God refused to accept sacrifices from them in the Land of Egypt. He accepted sacrifices in the dessert a no man's land and his Holy mountain was there at that time while the Israelites were in Egypt. The first time they stand Judged was when Moses came down with the tablets and he broke the tablets to saved the people from the judgment upon them as it was written in the tablets. From that time on God sanctified them and he called them a Holy Nation. Indeed they were a Holy Nation to him and he gave them the sacrifices for the forgiveness of their sins and the Law to know when they sin and the cleansing laws and the rituals to cleansed them selves and the book of Leviticus to know when they were ceremonially unclean because they could not participate in the celebrations of their religious Calendar unless they were ceremonially clean. To this day the Jews keep those cleansing laws and this is why when a member of their family believes in Jesus Christ he cannot enter their home because they consider unclean and they and their house is clean sanctified according to the book of Leviticus and if they enter a Gentile house they become ceremonially unclean. Mary because was under the Sinai Covenant she was clean flesh because she was from the clean flesh of Abraham and she was clean also according to the book of Leviticus. This is why the Messiah could not be born in an Gentile Land or from a Gentile woman.

I do not want to go back and forth and that too for one or two times but where did you get that that I said those things about Joshef being the biological father of Jesus and how can I say that if I do not believe that and I am not going to keep saying show me proof where did I say that. Please next time post the quote that says that first and then you make the comments and everyone can see and judge for himself. Because you may not incorrectly remember what it was posted or may that it was misread or someone else may have said that and you think it is me. Just be a careful reader and double check what you think is from memory. Next You know very well what the Bible say and so do I about Jesus that he did not have an earthly Father in the Gospel of Luke chapter one and two and he had only a mother and think about that all his DNA came from his mother God did not have flesh to give him DNA to prove that he is his Son or that ge is his Father this is why Paul said according to the flesh from his mother and according to the Spirit of Holiness from God and that's why God raised him from the dead. That's what Luke said and all the disciples said that the people thought that Joshef was his Father that means that the disciples understand that he was not. Please do not entertain your self with this kind of comments about someone else and if you want to say something just go on and say it and someone will like to discuss it.

That it what we are saying all along that Jesus Christ died for all and all they have the God given right when they hear the Gospel to respond to an open invitation to believe and no one to be forbidden. Some believe during the preaching but only those who believe from those who heard the Gospel are saved and because Jesus Christ died for all even for those who have refused to believe and for that reason the invitation to believe remains open to them to believe later on till the time when they will die. That's what John 3:16 says and the reward for believing are under the blood of Jesus Christ by faith alone and in other words starting the very moment they believe and Jesus Christ who is the eternal life and with him those who are under his blood are also in his eternal life with him. Amen.

And what it saying about the issue at hand?

I never doubt your Salvation but the other things you are saying points to that Mary was not born from a clean flesh and that's what religions like the Muslim and other religions who believe in Jesus but deny that he was from God or the Son of God claim tooppose Jesus was not theSon of God. Thank you. . And he had to be in clean flesh without been poluted from the Idols from Abraham from Adam. Abraham must be clean flesh from his Father and from keeping himself clean from the Idols. From Noah and from Adam who never worship the Idols as the line to Noah and Noah never worship the Idols. Are you also challenging the genealogy of the Jews? Had not God seperated Abraham and his chosen seed after him from the rest of the world and the rest of his family and from Esau? After Abraham was by the Covenant of Cirumcision...and so on later by the Sinai Covenant.

Better reconsider the things you are saying that they were poluted with Idols Abraham and his Ancestors before him, not all of them not all the family members but the line the clean genealogy line from Noah to Abraham and from Noah to Adam. From Abraham to the Sinai Covenant it did not matter because they were under the Covenant of Cirumcision and from the Sinai Covenant to Jesus Christ God had began to Judge them and he hold their sins against them and He gave them the book of Leviticus to know how to have their sins forgiven and how to cleansed them selves from the pollution even the contact with the Gentiles or anything that poluted them. Be conscious what you are saying that effects the flesh of Jesus or his mother Mary the woman who gave birth to him. Because Jesus was born clean and with his divine Spirit from God he did not need the Levitical ritual to be clean. As the leapers toch him and they became clean, Jesus never he was unclean towards God. Towards the Law but how can be judged by the Law when he was clean even though the leapers toch him and when he touched the dead life came back to them. If when he touched the dead, the moment he touched the dead he head become unclean the dead will not be raised.

@Jedi4Yahweh Why do you think the disciples put down the genealogy of Mary, or Jesus and when they reach Joseph they said whom the people thought that he was his Father. In principle and in fact they all disagree with your comments which comments the enemies of Jesus Christ as the Son of God support and they use arguments like that to prove that he was not from God the Son of God.

Suit your self say what you like but with those comments the clean genealogy of Mary cannot be questioned and the clean flesh of Jesus cannot be questioned. And the totality of the narative in Genesis and the principle of Abraham's clean seed and Mary and now her son Jesus cannot be questioned like that. Then Jesus was not clean in the flesh and no one was saved and God was not with him and he was not sitted with God in his Throne. And the Devil has not been judged...and on and on..Genesis does not agree with that. And Joshua make say what he said and the only source he had it was the scriptures in Genesis and we cannot justify what he said by the scriptures in Genesis. You do not have specific Genesis scriptures to support that a claim that it is against the grain that the mother of Jesus Christ had to come from the clean seed of Abraham who was the clean seed of Noah who was the clean seed of Adam. Those people were the people of God pre-Abraham and they were not poluted by the Idols if not how were they cleansed. There was not cleansing at that time till the Exodus from Egypt. Of you want to blind your self and do not want to look in Genesis with what you say it is the same what those who oppose Jesus Christ say the same words as you. That God did not have any children because all of them were poluted by the Idols. Now Joshua knew that not all in the family worship God that some were given to Idols even as it was Rachel and when Jacob took the Idols from anyone from his company and buried them. They were permissive and it was up to each one of them to choose but Joshua is telling them that cannot be from now on as when they were in Egypt some were worshiping the Idols. JOSHUA was telling them that they were judged by the Law and were Circumcised born to the Lord and the whole family and the community will be judged because their houses were sanctified to God and them selves were also sanctified to God and nothing unclean can enter their house. Joshua caution them from what was going around and some thought they can do that even when they did that in Egypt. No with the Covenant of Sinai, no in that Covenant they cannot do that. Have you not read the book of Leviticus.

I like the intensity of your comment but they are without clarity of context, significant detail context. The issue at hand is if at the time of Abraham's birth to whom his Father was looking forwards to bless him with a heir? Was he asking the Idols to bring forth a man with the future blessings of God upon him or he was asking the blessings from God. And from whom Abraham had learn to look for the fertility blessings when he had put his hope and never weaver from it on God. And he would rather has no heir from himself if that was what God wanted and he never went to other God's for fertility. Later on his life if he (which I very much doubt) worship any odors is a speculation a duvious speculation as the scholarship said, because God said that he never worship the Idols not even after the birth of Abraham and not his Father who again would have matter if his Father was in God when the father of the Father of Abraham was born and not if later on if he was poluted with Idols worship. Some of their relatives in their family were poluted as was the Father of the favorite wife of Jacob whom the Lord closed her womb because she was looking for the blessing of fertility from the Idols which she took from her Father. God made this known that his Father and his ancestors all the way to Adam the line that was spare from the pollution of the Idols are his people as he is who was not poluted from the Idols and at the time of his death he will go to them and he will not be gathered to Him (as that will happen with Jesus Christ). Abraham was seperated in Life and in his death from the rest of the world which was poluted with the Idols the Gentile Nations. Abraham was gathered to the other people of God his Ancestors the clean seeds to Noah and to Adam. God had given them their own place in the place of the dead because they were his people when they lived and died as his own people and they were his own people after their death. Waiting to be gathered to the Heavenly Father in Jesus Christ the Son of God. Issac had Abraham as his Father and John the Baptist has Zacharias as he Father both born through the intervasion of God but both had clean but eartly fathers. They were of the people of God from clean seeds by the testimony of God of how they conceived from earthly fathers from a miracle of God but from earthly Father but not Jesus who was from the miracle of God but not from an earthly father from the clean seed. What do you want to say that God had to forgive the Sins of Abraham and cleansed him from the pollution of the Idols first before his blessings to him. If this was the case that would have made Abraham the same as the rest of the world God did not and could not have to do anything with them whom God called Gentiles...with some other strong names.

@FJK The people of that time wanted something. They wanted God to be with them in their City in their place where they were (just like in the model of the Temple in Jerusalem) before I said in the model of Jesus Christ, not but in the model of the Temple in Jerusalem. (In the model of Jesus, Christ is in us) they wanted God to be with them in the model of the Jerusalem Temple. In their City where they live and they can come to him from around the country knowing where to found him. They wanted to build a place where God can be found even when he is found in the top floor in the terrace of the top floor. Once they found God this way they would have stopped building. They did not want to go and look for their God in the top of some mountain they wanted God in the mist in their city. (This is the concept the Muslims have copy, as in Mecca with that monument in Mecca). God's plans were not the same even though the concept it was similar to God's concept for the things to come but in the set up with the Israelites after their exit from Egypt and for them only. While God had plans for the whole world through Jesus Christ and included the Jews in the same plans. One plan for the whole world in Jesus Christ, God in our heart. To be accepted from God in the blood of the Slain Lamb of God who was Jesus Christ his Son, not the seed from any Man which means to include the Clean seed of Abraham which was in the Jews at that time on his birth. But not after the Cross.

I am trying to paved a common ground to the event at hand in our discussion that took place after the flood. Yes you bring up for discussion a lot of things that the fact remains that we are in our discussion about the people after the flood and more specifically those who were involved in that project. One thing that it has significant relevance is what you mentioned about Noah that he was a clean seed because he never worship the Idols, that he was not poluted with the Idols worship. To stay away from the other controversies. And by checking his genealogy his ancestors to Adam they were clean because they were not poluted with Idols worship. And that takes us to Abraham who was not polluted with Idols worship and his genealogy is trace to Noah and his ancestors from Noah to him were not poluted with Idols worship. Abraham a clean seed and a clean man in that way, loud and clear. Not poluted with Idols, him and his ancestors to Noah and from Noah to Adam.

It was never said in the Gospel that everyone is Saved because Jesus Christ died for all people of the world which includes those who lived and die before the Cross. It says it died for all the people of the world. With that statement God gave the right to all people of the world, the right to be put in the valley of decision. And that cannot happen unless they have heard the good news of the Gospel first and they remain in that valley of decision till the time when they will die. This is for the living but for those who died before they will remain in their valley of decision till the time God has appointed for them. Because everyone will be judge according to their decision while in that valley. To believe or not to believe in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of their sins.

It was God's will and in his plan for that to happen because the hour had not yet come for God to give them what they were asking him, which God had proposed to happen with the death of Jesus Christ on the Cross. This even took place after the flood. But from the time with Noah and there after God did not appear to people and proposed to himself to quide them through his prophets and giving them rules and instructions so the people will know that they have pleased Him and not to live with the fear of some other destruction from God towards them because in the flood the good and the bad were punished, no distinction was made between the good and the bad. And the people were not spared because of the good ones but the good were punished together with the bad.

This is not specific even when you are talking about the people after the flood. That time they were not united in having one king and ruler but they got united in a very specific proposed. And it will be ridiculous to say that they were not exceptions and some, or many of them choose not to participate in that project and that for different reasons.

I would like to say why I really liked your post. Because you acknowledge what the other person said and then you are stating the balance in the issue at hand. Yes we are united in Jesus Christ because we are in him inspite of doctrinal issues which has divided us in different groups. The fact is in studding the scriptures we will find out that when the people were united God did something that caused a division between them. Abraham is a good example. Abraham and then we gave Abraham and the rest of the world. Before that we have God and the people at the time of Babel. God did something that seperated the people who were united. God and the Covenant of Cirumcision. After the Cross the division among the jews because of the faith in Jesus Christ and the unification of all people in the world who believe in Jesus Christ. When God sent Peter to Cornelius as a result the disciples of Jesus Christ were divided in that issue. Not everyone accepted what Peter told it happened.

The post about colors is very interesting because it mentions that we use color intensification for many different proposes. As color for different races, color for different moods and in our time colors to identify gender as the rainbow 🌈. Remember Noah when God promised to. Make peace with all the people of the world inclusive everyone and he did that through Jesus Christ when he died on the Cross to include all people on the world. And he foretold that to us when he first included the Ethiopian Enuch in his flock in Jesus Christ and he went away as an Evangelist as he understood that God had accepted him in Jesus Christ in equal terms as his disciples in a big surprise to Philip who was hesitant to water baptized him in the name of Jesus. Amen. For us to be careful and we would be not talking in his name if we say that he does not accept the faith of all colors of people and all the combinations of colors that designate the different people as in Jesus Christ everyone is welcome not matter what kind of color flag is raised in front of his house because he died for all and in his Love he accepts every one who believes in him. As He also accepts sinners who believe in him because He accepts the faith in him of everyone because he died for all people in the world and he knew before hand what all people of the world includes. In his Love. We should never forbid any one to believe as they are but rather encourage.

@PATrobas I am not sure what you are asking. Perhaps I should have commended about the scriptures but Paul has done this already. His reference to scriptures must have been the scriptures he referred to the Bereans and the Bereans proposed to study and search to find out if what Paul was telling them about Jesus it was the true, that he was the Lamb of God that had to be Slain. That the Christ of God had to died. The promised Lamb of God to Abraham was not the Lamb God provided to Abraham that day and it was not Issac his Son and the Lamb of God it had to be a man as Issac was a man and not another man from Abraham as John the Baptist who was born in a similar fashion as Issac. And not another sacrificial Lamb. The sacrificial Lambs will not do because God promised to Abraham a Lamb as in the single form and not in the plural form and the Lambs offered in the Temple were provided by the Shepherds who breed them and raised them up and they needed to buy them. And God asked Abraham to sacrifice a man his Son Issac.

Brother @Mr. M yes this happened before the Cross and when God wanted to show who were his people as a witness to them and everyone else who wanted to be his God but was not from the Israelites because he was their God only. To let the world know that they are his people and He protects them and He was there to Help them, that they had to deal with him and are not fighting them but him. The light that time had only one color included only the Israelites and that's before the Cross. After the Cross it includes all colors all combinations of colors Amen. There is another sign from God at the time of Jesus Christ death on the Cross that this time the darkness fell upon everyone on at that time, there was not light every where because the Jews had put to death the light of the world. And the light of the world left the earth for the first time when Jesus descended at death to the place of the dead in the heart of the earth. The darkness lasted for about three hours because after three days the light will come back, Jesus will raised from the dead.

This individual who wrote this wants people who read the word "Brother" to assume that he is a "Brother" according to their faith. And attempts to reinforce that assumption by saying "Brother Bob" wanting the reader to assume that he is a man and a brother in the faith of the reader. The rest figure them for yourself. "New Yoke", "Study Bible" (do not assume it is about a Christian Bible, "Almighty" again without a specific identification and Beth-Hell isn't about Bethel..and there is not a municipal address of business this place is one of the drawer in a PO address. The whole thing is a joke and we do not know that this is a register non for profit organization the words Tax Deductible do not make it one. From assumption to assumption and so on. Who are the "We" do you want the reader to think that you represent or you speak as an authorized representative of some specific group(s)? And without identifying the group(s) and something about those individuals, what is their position and who they are , and who you are, and if you have express permission to speak on their behalf. Have they in that group read and endorse what you posted. Or just assuming that they are in agreement without reading your thesis and without their express permission to include that they have read and endorse

@faithfull-prophet4040 One thing is for sure that Jesus has called you to be in his ministry. The other thing is that you have misconstrued what he is asking you or what he wants from you and this is made known to you by the way you feel that it let's you know that is not accomplished yet and that's because you have not correctly understood what He is asking you. He wants you to remove the things that needs to be removed from his yard. He wants you to be his instrument to sweep away from his house things that you will see that they do not belong there and need to be removed but other people do not understand that and they brought them in their misunderstanding . He wants to make you knowledgeable of deep truths which you will learn from him so you can clean his house. The fact that you have come to understand "not that's not what he is asking me" and I have to understand what he is asking me, as I need to be in tune with him is a big step in the right direction. This is why and because he wants to comunicate direct with you, you must wait for him and depend on him. And that includes to stop seeking to find Him in the books and in the counsel of others. But to wait on him and he may used others but keep in mind that you are not the one to choose who thay are. The point is that He wants to comunicate one with one with you but you need to learn and He will teach you to correctly perceived what he is telling you. So far you have learn that He was asking you something but you thought that he was asking you something else, because he was telling you that not what I asking from you. and that will happen again till you learn to correctly perceived what he is asking you and he will teach you, but how? And that you will know when it happens. It's like that, somehow. When Samuel was a boy and He heard someone calling his name in his sleep, he thought that was Eli the High Priest calling him. But it was the Lord who was calling him. We need to learn what Jesus or the Holy Spirit is asking us because often it is not strait forward. Like when we read some Scripture and we say what does it want to say, where before reading the same scripture we had said that what is saying without searching any further.

International Standard Version Mathew 11:25 25. At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from wise and intelligent people and have revealed them to infants. 1 Corinthians 3:1-3 English Standard Version 2016 (ESV)But I, brothers, could not address you as spiritual people, but as people of the flesh, as infants in Christ. I fed you with milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it. And even now you are not yet ready, for you are still of the flesh. Hebrews 5:13-14 NIV Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

@Mr. M greetings to you Mr.M. Paul said the mystery of Christ in the Gentiles and the Gentiles in Christ. How could that be knowing the full context about how God had spoken about them. The mystery all this to be able to happen just by the Gentiles believing that Jesus Christ also died for them for the forgiveness of their sins. Having forgiveness of their sins in the same way as the Jews by believing in Jesus Christ. I almost gave it away when I said having their sins forgiven in the same way as the Jews.

@Mr. M greetings to you Mr.M. Definitely Paul was speaking to Athenians and by extension to all the Nations of the world who had other Gods than the divine who created the world and man in Paul's speech who till that time he had said by an oath to Abraham that he only will be his God and the God of his descendants after him. And that excluded all the other Nations of the world. And that was not hidden from them. And those people were strong believers in life after death and that life in the place of the dead under the authority of the God of the dead Hades. And the place was well guarded and everyone went there and no one could escape from there and their Judge was the God of the dead who kept them, He was the one who Lord it over them and decide for the place where they were to be kept. And they had their Own Gods who created the sun and the moon and the stars and the things in earth and had control of the elements of their jurisdiction. And they were not Jewish prosylites.

You are having a lot of context in your mind about what Daniel said. And I am a friend. Daniel prophesied the last days of the Sinai Covenant and we are here in the times of the Gospel and all things have been made new that needed to be made new. Daniel knew that he would not be living when that will happen. It would not happen in his time. Like John the Baptist who said many things that will happen during his life time and they did indeed happened. Thank you and God bless, or I should say Jesus bless you.