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Through out the scriptures God said to the Jews "I have created the world and have created man. These words were spoken by the appointed Lamb of God to be. When God created Adam and he looked at him by that time he Knew that by the Miracle of God he will be born in Bethlehem and he will also walk on earth just like Adam as the Son of Man, the Son of God. To be the first one the Patriarch of the New people of God the New Nation of God the people who are Sanctity and Justified by the Blood of the Slain Lamb of God Jesus Christ. The Jews understood that the Son of God will be born to them, that he will be one of them. He will born and grow and live amongs them just like one of them. Or we may say that he forknew that before he created Adam. The one who created Adam was the predestined Lamb of God to be who was towards the Heavenly Father. At the ascension the Heavenly Father Glorified Jesus Christ with the Glory he had before the foundation of the world. Jesus is telling us what was his Glory before the foundation of the world as the Word in the book of John he was next to the Heavenly Father. Because when the Heavenly Father raised Jesus from the dead and he took him to Heaven he sat him on his right on his Throne. And he made him Lord of all. He gave him everything he had and all authority in Heaven and on Earth and in all things under the Earth. He gave him the Kingdom of God. In Esaiah 9:6-7 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end.

John 14:2 Jesus is taking something that belonged to the Aaronic Priesthood the dwelling places for one, the rooms they could have been in the form of a motel which offers temporary accommodation for a few days, the structures that were around the Temple and they meant to accommodate the Priests during the time of their duty, one week twice a year, and the weeks of celebrations. to served in the ministry of the Temple. Ezekiel 45:4 New International Version It will be the sacred portion of the land for the priests, who minister in the sanctuary and who draw near to minister before the LORD. It will be a place for their houses as well as a holy place for the sanctuary. New Living Translation This area will be holy, set aside for the priests who minister to the LORD in the sanctuary. They will use it for their homes, and my Temple will be located within it. English Standard Version It shall be the holy portion of the land. It shall be for the priests, who minister in the sanctuary and approach the LORD to minister to him, and it shall be a place for their houses and a holy place for the sanctuary. *In Greek mone or monai which is to the accommodation of just the priest, him only and not his family during duty time. From that word we have the word "monastery". Accommodation for one person in a communal setting. Jesus said this having this background in his mind and foretelling that his disciples they will be part of the Royal Priesthood in the Heavenly before the Heavenly Father. Indicating that the Heavenly Father has been waiting for that moment from before the foundation of the world. Jesus called his disciples "the Royal Priests" serving before the Heavenly Father. John 14:2 New International Version My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? New Living Translation There is more than enough room in my Father’s home. If this were not so, would I have told you that I am going to prepare a place for you? English Standard Version In my Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? Berean Standard Bible In My Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? New King James Version In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Jesus open the way to Heaven to where the Heavenly Father is. Jesus all the time was saying I am going to the "Heavenly Father". The Jews in the Old when they died they were gathered to their Father Abraham. I am not talking how things are with the New Covenant but during the reign of the old Covenant. Isaac was gathered to Abraham and Jacob was gathered to Abraham and all the sons of Jacob were gathered to Abraham THE ISRAELITES were gathered to Abraham. At the time of their death they descended to their Father Abraham. But Jesus Christ spoke a different language none of them spoke before when He said I have come from above and I am going to my Father the Heavenly Father. Before his death on the Cross when his disciples asked him "where are you going" when he told them that he is going away in the Gospel of John. Jesus knew that he will die and raised from the dead and ascend to the Heavenly Father this is why he said to them that he is going to the Heavenly Father. He was the first one to say I am going to the Heavenly Father and the first one to ascend to the Heavenly Father. Jesus also he said to his disciples in John 17:24 that they will also go to the Heavenly Father. As a departure from what they had grown to hope that they at death will go to their Father Abraham. Jesus gave them their new destination at their death, the will be with him to where he is with the Heavenly Father. 24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

@Scott Free This puzzle me. What is this about? Please elaborate in a way that I will be able to talk about it to someone else.

@Retrobyter Shalom. The Heavenly Father was waiting to have children in Jesus Christ, sanctified and justified by his blood. Jesus had to die first before the Heavenly Father had any children. Ephesians 1:4-6. 4. For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5. he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and wil 6. to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves.

Shalom, @Retrobyter. I would appreciate if you are not carried away and post words like this is "PURE FICTION" when I have copy and paste something from the Bible. I did not like it at all. God bless.

@FJK, this is from the Apostle Peter and an anthology from deferent Bible versions. I thought to bring it to your attention. This is similar to what happened to Jesus when he died on the Cross. As he had said earlier he will give the sign of Jonas that at his death he will descend to the heart of the earth for three days and on the third day he will raised from the dead. while his body was layed in the tomb. *John 17:24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. at 2 Peter 1:13-14 13 Yes, I think it fit, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up, by putting you in remembrance; 14 knowing, that the putting off of this, my tabernacle, is soon to happen, even as our Lord Jesus Christ has showed me New International Version 13. I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body, 14. because I know that I will soon put it aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. English Standard Version 13. I think it right, to stir you up by way of reminder, 14. since I know that the putting off of my body will be soon, as our Lord Jesus Christ made clear to me. Berean Study Bible 13. I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of my body, 14. because I know that this tent will soon be laid aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. New American Standard Bible 13. I consider it right, as long as I am in this earthly dwelling, to stir you up by way of reminder, 14. knowing that the laying aside of my earthly dwelling is imminent, as also our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. New Living Translation 14. For our Lord Jesus Christ has shown me that I must soon leave this earthly life, English Standard Version 14 since I know that the putting off of my body will be soon, as our Lord Jesus Christ made clear to me. NASB 1995 14. knowing that the laying aside of my earthly dwelling is imminent, as also our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. Amplified Bible 14. knowing that the laying aside of this earthly tent of mine is imminent, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me.

@FJK, this is from the Apostle Peter and an anthology from deferent Bible versions. I thought to bring it to your attention. This is similar to what happened to Jesus when he died as he had said earlier he went to the heart of the earth for three days while his body was here on earth. at 2 Peter 1:13-14 13 Yes, I think it fit, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up, by putting you in remembrance; 14 knowing, that the putting off of this, my tabernacle, is soon to happen, even as our Lord Jesus Christ has showed me New International Version 13. I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body, 14. because I know that I will soon put it aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. English Standard Version 13. I think it right, as long as I am in this body, to stir you up by way of reminder, 14. since I know that the putting off of my body will be soon, as our Lord Jesus Christ made clear to me. Berean Study Bible 13. I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of my body, 14. because I know that this tent will soon be laid aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. New American Standard Bible 13. I consider it right, as long as I am in this earthly dwelling, to stir you up by way of reminder, 14. knowing that the laying aside of my earthly dwelling is imminent, as also our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. New Living Translation 14. For our Lord Jesus Christ has shown me that I must soon leave this earthly life, English Standard Version 14 since I know that the putting off of my body will be soon, as our Lord Jesus Christ made clear to me. NASB 1995 14. knowing that the laying aside of my earthly dwelling is imminent, as also our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. Amplified Bible 14. knowing that the laying aside of this earthly tent of mine is imminent, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me.

Shalom, Retrobyter. I read carefully your post and I disagree with the core of your message and my disagreement is a follow. I believe that God made man a physical mortal being with an imortal Spirit. And this is demonstrated at the time of his creation and at the time of his disobedience in the Garden where we are informed from God that the earth was waiting to get his physical body at the time of his physical death and the Serpent will get and keep his Spirit and God will be waiting for the "seed of the woman" the Messiah the Christ of God the promise Lamb of God to died on the Cross for the forgiveness of our sins. From before the foundation of the world the Heavenly Father had proposed to himself that he will only have children sanctified and justified by the blood of the Slain Lamb of God who is Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ redeemed us or he paid the price to redeem us from the one who was harvesting our Spirit and kept our Spirits at the time of our death. He did not take our dead bodies because he was interested to take and keep our Spirits. He did not care to take our bodies because they were dead and subject to decay. He can never take anyone while they lived because that it was impossible as the place where he took and kept the Spirits of the people was in the underworld. And the physical man while he lives cannot go through the earth and descend to the place where the dead were kept. The plan of God was to buy us back from the Devil, to redeem us from the Devil. The fact that we say to redeem us from the Devil that established that the Devil had the right to take us at the time of our death. This is all before the Cross, the death of Jesus Christ on the Cross. The people of the Nations of the world belong to the Devil while they yet lived but the Devil cannot take them as they are in their bodies he have to wait for them till the time when their physical body dies and then he can take their Spirits and God never contested that ordinance of things. Before the death of Jesus Christ the Israelites the people of God were a Nation seperated from the people of the world and at the time of their death they still belong to God as they belong to God while they lived and all the time they continued to belong to Him because he was their God all the time while they lived and after their physical death. They were gathered to Abraham their first Patriarh together with Issac and Jacob and the twelve Patriarhs of the Nation of Israel. At the time of their death the Devil never contested Abraham for their Spirits because God had given them to him to be with him and keep them till the time of Jesus Christ who after his death he descended to them before he went to the children of the rest of the world preaching the good knows of the Gospel to them the day of God's Jubilee who set the captives free to all who believe that Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of their sins right there as they were in their Spirits without their bodies because Jesus Christ redeemed them as they were He redeemed their Spirits he payed the price with his blood at the time of his death on the Cross. To all those who believed in him. That's what all the disciples preached by the anoynting of the Holy Spirit.

When Jesus was ascended into Heaven as it was happening and as they were still looking at him the Heavenly realm came over him and swallowed him and they could not see him because they could not see in the Heavenly realm or it was not given to them to look into the Heavenly realm. To Stephen at the time before his death it was given to look into the Heavenly realm and he said to them what he was seeing about Jesus Christ that God had honored him and gave him the Throne and made him Lord. Amen. There are numerous scriptures that point to that. There is a lot in the bible. In Genesis we have the creation of the physical world and the creation of man. We do not have the creation of the Heavenly beings the Angels which are not physical beings and if they were we would have needed the earth to be created first. The Angels are not subject to the forces and the elements of the earth. They do need oxygen to sustain the life in them. And we have John 1:1,2 which is telling us that God sent the Word who was also God and was towards God to create everything that would be created which included the Angelic host the Heavenly Angelic Host before the worlds were created. We have the scriptures that tell us that the Angels are subjected to him that he is above the Angels because he was the one who created the Angels in his former existence before he was born in Bethlehem after living everything behind looking forwards to the new glory God had prepared for him before the foundation of the world for him to be the Lamb of God to be slain to have this Glory which could not have in his former existence because he had to wait for the time to be (found) in human form by the Miracle as it was foretold and it happened in Luke 2. It is a realm that the created realm is not in its way. We have the Angel who stands on the fire and was not burn. No physical force can destroy them. And we have the numerous testimonies from the Lord God Almighty when he said that Heavens is my home and Earth is my foot stool. And we have the book of Revelation. Amen. PS I remember when I was younger when Russia sent the first astronauts in space and they said that they did not see any Angels or God in Heaven the Space which they call Heaven and we call that also we. But along the way I understood that they did not ender in the Heavenly realm that they only were in the Created realm. The Angels could have shown them selves to them if that was the will of God. Because the Angels can enter our realm but we cannot enter their realm ourselves as we are this is why John said I found my self in the Heavenly realm and I do not know if I was in the flesh or in the Spirit.

When we talk about Heaven we should keep in mind not the expance above the earth including the the earth's atmosphere but we should think about the Heavenly world or realm that existed before the earth was created. Which host all the Heavenly host the Angels and everything that there is in it. Repeat that it was in existence before the Creation of the world. Therefore it is not a physical place a place that was created at the time of the creation of the world.

The writer wanting to talk about himself and what he believes about himself after his death he said: that the dead have no hope of mixing with the living again and the affair of the living. That was in contrast of the beliefs of the Nations around the Nation of Israel. In this matter he talked about what was written in the book of Leviticus. God cut off the Israelites from worshiping the Angels and keeping a hope in their ancestors that they keep an eye on them and be their protectors after their death. He cut them off the worship of Angels and their hope in their ansestors that their ancestors are with them helping them in this life by giving them their own religious Calendar. And day in and day out it included only the worship of their Lord God.

@FJK, before we start this discussion I have complied to your request to consider the context that it is relevant to the issues we are discussing and from the context to give a sound meaning to the statement at hand. It's very likely that the thoughts in the passage before us are the thoughts of the Son of David Solomon King of Jerusalem. What are the issues at hand from the statements that he made in chapter 9 verses 4-6 in the KJV. In verse four he talks about the hope of the living, the hope of the people while they still live. ""For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope:" and then he says "for a living dog is better than a dead lion". And then his thoughts and the statement "for a living dog is better than a dead lion". Why a man of his status say a thing like that? Is it that the strong men in his service were useful to him while yet lived, while yet were joined to the living. And now he has to depend on the less glorious men whom he called "the dogs" because the "lions" are dead they are in the realm of the dead, they are cut off from the living. They are in a deferent world, they are in the world of the dead. They are not here on earth to know what is happening in the world of the living just like before they died. And they cannot offer their advice to the living as they were doing before when they lived. The writer raised an issue that was relevant at his time and the time before him having the knowledge that the people of his time (and not only about his time) they were getting in touch with the dead to have their quidance about the things that were happening in the realm of the living. One way through the Mediums who were getting in touch with the dead. Or others believing that the dead stayed around the family of the living family and offer them their protection and their wisdom. The people offered homage to the dead believing they were actively around them. The author's thoughts in that matter is telling us that he does not practice that and that his wisdom is original and is not the wisdom he had received from some dead person. He very strongly opposes this practice. To call upon the dead.

Those words "the dead know nothing" are not the context of Eclesiastes 9:5 and they are not found within the context of the verse 9:5, they are not found in the bible. 5. For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, (is the correct translation) neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. In verse 5 the writer says that the people while they lived know that they will not live for ever and the day will come when they will die. The author speaks on his name and he is telling us what he believes and he continues to tell us what he believes about the people who dies about what they know about their future after they died. About their future when they are dead. This is why he said that the people who live know what will happen in their future that they will not live forever and one day will die. Day by day as they live, day by day they are getting closer to that day when they will die. And no one can argue with that. And the writer taking notice of his own beliefs of what he understood about life after death he continues to say that the dead people live where they are in their domain without knowing anything about what will happen to them in their future for sure. That while they lived knowing that many people have died before them and they are still in the realm of the dead and are still in the realm of the dead and there has been not a change in this matter and they do not know anything about what is going to happen to them, as nothing has happened yet. The author knows what is the fate of the Israelites after they die as it is taught in the book of the Law in the book of Leviticus because he is an Israelite himself the Son of King David. That the Israelites after death they were gathered to their Father Abraham and were separated from the dead of the other Nations. And he said that has not changed and if it will change and how it will change the dead know nothing about it. This by it self is a big lie, (to say it is incorrect it has to include ignorance of what his Father said about the same matter and what God taught the people with Moses about life after death but the author is not in ignorance he attempts to bring the element of doubt to what the prophets of God had said because had not happened yet. The promises of God to Abraham had not come to pass yet as the Lanb of God has not been provided yet and for that matter has not been Slain yet.) it may be the belief of the author according to his understanding at that time but this is was not a universal belief or the belief of his ansestors including Abraham and even his father King David who were strongly in disagreement with him or better said he was in disagreement with them as they lived before him and they die having a hope what will happen to them after their departure from the earth when they died. And the author also he is in disagreement with the great men of God who spoke in God's name as to what happens to people after their death, the hope of the dead people for their future as God has put in place. As the prophets of God declared. It seems and by comparing side by side what the people of God said about life after death and they future of anyone after their death before and after the death of Jesus Christ on the Cross that the author of Ecclesiastes was not a man after the heart of God as his father King David was. His was wis, yes indeed he was, but God did not made him to be a prophet for him like his father King David. He was not a prophet of God Almighty and he never said that he was to the contrary he said he speaks for himself and he never said that he speaks in the name of God or even his Father David or Moses. At the end he repented to God for the things he said and he complained to God why the Priesthood disagree with him but they never confronted him to correct him. This also reveals that the Priests disagree with what he said in this matter and that he did not speak on their behalf or on behalf of God. In the Holy Scriptures the prophetic and the scriptures from the disciples of Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ himself we learn that with the death of Jesus Christ on the Cross all things about these matter have changed that we have a New order and the old has gone. And we are in the New order right now. The scripture about the Messiah the Christ of God have been fulfilled and the promises made by God to Abraham and to his prophets have come to pass.

The bible doesn't not say that but the words of the one who said that can be found in the book of Eclesiastes chapter nine and verse five in the middle of the verse. KJV 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. The author was married to many wives from the nations around Israel and he got to know the culture of these Nations. And he witnessed a lot of things that took place in those Nations but not in his the family he was born and not in his city or in Israel. The people from those Nations were getting in touch with the dead through Mediums and they were asking the dead for advice. The author who was a King and was very wise he was telling the people to seek advice from the wise people who were still living as he was himself. In other words he did not do that himself and he wanted to tell people that his wisdom it was not from getting in touch with the dead and also he was telling the people that when he dies he did not want people to try to get in touch with him seeking advice from him as he was a wise man. He knew about the prohibition in the Law that God instructed the Israelites not to get in touch with the dead through the mediums to do what their neighbor Nations were doing. This also says that the people could get in touch with the dead and asked them advice and God in the Law said not to do it.

The bible doesn't tell us that "the dead know nothing". It tells us a lot of things about the dead and one of the things that it says is that they are not watching TV with you or they are not watching what you are watching because they are not in your realm, they are in their realm and as they cannot watch what you are watching you also cannot watch what they are watching and for the same reason we can say "the living know nothing". And the living know nothing but what is happening in their surroundings and if they are awake and it is possible for them to know as they cannot know what happens behind a mountain but those who are living behind the mountain do know. The writer said that the living world is a different realm than the realm of the dead, they are in deferent places. We always remember who we are and our name and our life memories and if we have suffered memory lost before we die the memory will always be intact as soon as we die because the damage that cause the memory lost it was in the physical cells. The moment we die our nemory is restored.

Ĺuke 1:54-55, 54remembering to be merciful 55 to Abraham and his descendants forever, just as he promised our ancestors.” Luke 1: 68-83. 68“Praise be to the Lord, the God of Israel, because he has come to his people and redeemed them. 69 He has raised up a horn[c] of salvation for us in the house of his servant David 70 (as he said through his holy prophets of long ago), 71 salvation from our enemies and from the hand of all who hate us— 72 to show mercy to our ancestors and to remember his holy covenant, 73 the oath he swore to our father Abraham: Genesis 22:18 22. and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me.” The promise includes not only the living descendants of Abraham but it includes their ansestors. Abraham knew of that say and rejoice, this is what Jesus said before he died. Abraham knew that the promise one from God will descend to where they were waiting for them and Abraham was waiting for that day and he understood that will happen when the promise one from God will descend to them. Abraham understood that the promise one from God had to died first this was the only way to descend to where they were. John the Baptist who was going before the Christ of God and had identified him was gathered to Abraham before Jesus Christ descended to them after his death to let them know that the promise Christ of God soon is coming to them. And the scripture says that they were gathered to to the Heavenly Father because that's where Jesus went after his resurrection. And God gave him the Heavens for his Inheritance for him and everyone who believed in him. The promise to Abraham was that the time will come went he will be Ascended to the Heavenly Father, he and all who were with him. Paul said that the first fruits Abraham and all who were with him Jesus took them to Heaven with him and presented them to the Heavenly Father.

Those words of Jesus they were not strange to people who heard him. Those people were enduring and they carried the burden to obey their religious obligations and follow their religious Calendar year after year. Making them selves eligible to participate in the yearly Atonement for their sins. And that included to keep the Sabath week in and week out. They had to endure that till the end because once they stopped they were considered unclean and they were cut off from the community and their family or friends and relatives and God. Jesus was looking forwards to the trials and the hardship the believers in him and they would have to face persecution and some may return back to Jewdaism and be lost unless they remained secret believers.

Why would Jesus say that the mountain to be thrown into the sea. Jesus must know what mountain he had in his mind. And he also must have known what soon will happen to this mountain. Jesus seems that he was quite sure about the fate of the mountain. This is for now. Jesus opened the way to the Heavenly Father. What was impossible for man through the obedience to the Law "climbing up the mountain of God to get to God" now a man can do by faith in Jesus Christ. The mountain has been removed and will never come back from the bottom of the sea. The way to the Heavenly Father is a highway in the Cross of Jesus Christ. It could not happen by the efforts of man to climb that mountain, it is done by faith in Jesus Christ.

Those two events are entirely different. One happened before the Cross and it meant something entirely different and it supposed to show that Jesus was preparing Peter for something great for the Gospel. Is it that he would learn to walk and follow Jesus by faith in his ministry. Of course what the other disciples witness it empowered their own faith and Jesus will also teach them to trust him and when he will tell them something like the plans he had for them to keep them in their hearts and believe that inspite of everything else that is happening they will come to pass. When Peter was put in jail and was waiting to be executed the next day, Peter would be wondering how the things Jesus told him about him will come to pass. The Holy Spirit must have remind Peter what Jesus had told him that he will build his church upon his ministry and that he will live to be very old. At that time Peter must have stepped out of his boat of afflictions and was looking forwards to Jesus Christ expecting what he is going to do and how he is going to take him out of this situation. From what we have Peter had fallen asleep and he did not acted the way a man would act when he was waiting to die in just a few hours. Peter was in a deep sleep.

John 3:16 indeed is for the whole world it does not prejudice anyone in the world as everyone can have his sins forgiven in Jesus Christ. It is God's will that everyone has his sins forgiven in the same way at the very moment when they first believe the truth about Jesus Christ of who he is and the reason that he had to die on the Cross it was the will of the Heavenly Father. There is no any other way for anyone to have his sins forgiven. It is the same for anyone. And it is by the blood of Jesus Christ the Son of God whom he sent to die for the forgiveness of our sins. Hope that you agree because you are a student of the Bible and you Know that. To grow in the faith and get off the milk it applies to those who have their sins forgiven by the blood of the Slain Lamb of God who is Jesus Christ. It was very important to emphasize that because the Gospel was first preached to the Jews who had their sins forgiven by the blood of the sacrificial animals sacrificed in the Temple. It was important to tell them that as to come to realize that if they do not believe in Jesus Christ they will die in their sins. And that includes that anyone who believes in Jesus Christ does not die in his sins.

@Renskedejonge the Holy Spirit gives the witness in the heart of anyone who believes in Jesus Christ only that he is in the Heavenly Father and that is after they believe in Jesus Christ and their sins are forgiven in Jesus Christ. They may or may not believe in God before they believe in Jesus Christ but the Holy Spirit gives them the witness that they are in God only after they believe in Jesus Christ. Only through Jesus Christ the Heavenly Father has children. Jesus Christ is the way to Heaven to the Heavenly Father. This is why we say Jesus Christ was the first he was the one who open the door to Heavenly Father. Jesus also talked about Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and the descendants of Jacob who were gathered to Abraham that God has given all of them to him. They also believe in Jesus Christ when Jesus went to them after his death on the Cross. The scripture says that they were the first ones Jesus Christ went to right after his death. The scripture also says that the ancestors of Abraham and we know his genealogy and are not limited only to them but also the other people of God were together with Abraham as Abraham at his death was gathered to them and all of them were included in Jesus Christ. Jesus said all that God had he gave them to him so Jesus can be all in all his preeminence about everything

@Renskedejonge Below I copy and paste the scriptures in Esaiah 53:5-6 and are self explanatory. Esaiah 53:5-6 5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed. 6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Correi was correct and she gave a valid point that no one can refute. If that was the correct interpretation of Esaiah 53: about receiving the stripes and the marks of the stripes on his back testify that he was punished and the scripture says that it was perceived that he was punished by God when he was not Eve though God let it happen because the scripture says that he was made the propritiation for the punishment of our sins. He was punished in our place so we will not punished. This has to be read together with the Law in the Sinai Covenant where the Sinners were punished by God even punished with death and it has to be seen in the light of the New Covenant in Jesus Christ that there is no more a tooth against a tooth and an eye against an eye in the Covenant of Jesus Christ in the New Covenant. God will not punished any one for his disobedience or his sins NEVER. We are healed from the punishment of the sting of death of the Serpent by believing in Jesus Christ in a similar way when the people in the dessert who were beaten by the Serpents were dying and were healed when they looked upon the Bronze Serpent who was lifted up on the wooden post.

Now you are talking about a different matter about the ministry of Jesus Christ. And we were talking about John 3:16. And why you are not accepting John 3:16 at face value? Are not your sins forgiven by believing in Jesus Christ that he died for the forgiveness of your sins?