simplejeff

7 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

Was I saved? You tell me. Being saved was never taught me. I just know God made his presence known to me in 1973, and I've been trying to walk with him ever since. I try to obey his commandments and be in constant prayer (1 Thess 5:17).

It is not in God's Word , is it,  and it is against forum rules, isn't it,  to tell someone they are saved or not saved ?

Where in Scripture, btw,  is it written, 

that the people of God, OT or NT,  TRIED ?  That they "tried" to walk with Him;  "Tried" to obey Him,  etc ....  when they obeyed Him, they were blessed,   ;  right ?   When they disobeyed Him,  He chastised, corrected , or even scourged them,  right ?  

There was never a question of "try" to obey Him - either obey or not.  (OT and NT;   Galatians,  Ephesians, 1st John,  Revelation -  lots in His Word)

4 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

So how do you test for truth?

What is your source for truth ?

1 minute ago, enoob57 said:

This is open canon stuff and is not supported by God's Word... The canon of Scripture is sealed by God in His Revelation...

Not at all - your use of 'open canon stuff' is unbiblical and untrue, apparently.

1 minute ago, enoob57 said:

There is no other form in which God's speaks to us ...

That is true according to tradition.

It is not at all what God's Word says. 

Did you ever read Hebrews in the NT ? 

Very clearly different form ,  DIRECTLY..... AS WRITTEN.  (oh, yes, always in perfect harmony with all of His Word - this is true:  harmony;  but not nearly the only form God uses, as written especially in the first century,  with the Apostles, and since then as written in Hebrews and etc )

8 minutes ago, Gershom_young said:

Just to correct you, my complete sentence is actually below. :-)

If you told me the black death in the middle ages was an act of God - with 50% fatalities - I can agree, yeah, that's a pretty serious plague.

"When one-third of mankind dies "  (not just one third of those infected),  " the remaining two thirds of mankind REFUSES to repent of worshiping demons" .....

This is more like an act of God,  eh ?

5 minutes ago, Gershom_young said:

Just to correct you, my complete sentence is actually below. :-)

If you told me the black death in the middle ages was an act of God - with 50% fatalities - I can agree, yeah, that's a pretty serious plague.

I have no idea how you think that 'corrects' anything I posted?     The plague was simply consequences,  (the one today is perpetrated consequences,  by men) .... not an act of God most likely.

He gets His say later,   with destruction by fire. 

Now THAT IS AN ACT OF GOD (the destruction of mankind (this time instead of by water)  by fire) .

Just now, Billiards Ball said:

Hi Jeff,

Have you never read my posts? I'm a fundamentalist born again believer. I'm trying to ask the other poster to repent of his poor doctrine. He has some kind of legalistic "keep these commandments but not these".

Thanks.

I can't well keep up with the flow of posts/ conversations while on moderator review, sorry.   I just reply to (usually) individual posts as Yahweh guides me,   word for word,   by His Revelation.

On 2/6/2020 at 7:04 PM, Wnj086 said:

This torments me. I want to be sure!!! 

Jesus did not come to torment people,  (except the wicked do end up tormented,  they have no peace).

See the worthychristianlibrary dot com (take the spaces out and change dot to .)  thru the url or thru the link upper left on this page under "Worthy Ministries" (hover or click to see the library)

Peaceful true Scripture lessons there,  without the distractions of errors , arguments,  debates, and so on...

Per title,  from another viwe:   How can you have false assurance of salvation ?

i.e. like those written in Scripture who believe they are saved , right up to the day they die.

Then on Judgment Day ,  Jesus says "Bye Bye;  be gone from Me;  I never knew you" .....  (with a few more details noted by Yahweh,  in His Word) ...

11 minutes ago, Billiards Ball said:

18 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

.... Can an atheist keep these commandments and inherit eternal life?

Did Jesus die for the unrighteous ?

Is an atheist unrighteous (like all other people to start with) ?

Did Jesus die for the atheist ? 

Can the atheist therefore repent and be immersed in Jesus' Name and inherit eternal life (like few people who find the narrow gate/road to life as written) ?

1 hour ago, Gideon said:

1 hour ago, enoob57 said:

He does so through His Word alone and made living by the Spiritually infused Word of God not by visions and extra revelation as you have claimed...

When we look from a fleshy side this may appear so but when we look from Spiritual side-> Christ The Lord Jesus has already accomplished this in each that hold His Presence by the Holy Spirirt...

I do not look to myself to see perfection I look to the Scriptures and The Holy Spirit that teaches them to me >and< all point me to Jesus
Heb 12:2-9

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
KJV
 

This occurred the moment of my new birth....

The expectation of truth is positive,  but subject to testing.

As long as tradition compromises God's Word,  there is purification/ sanctification/ revelation still required.

4 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

Then why did God write it to us?

What is written in His Word?    He tells His Purpose in His Word - and it is the same all along - not changing with the whims or thoughts of men.

Men (a few, as written) turn to Him,   or reject His Word (most common),  and His Word is not changed regardless how many turn to Him or reject Him.

22 minutes ago, Gershom_young said:

If you told me the black death in the middle ages was an act of God - with 50% fatalities - I can agree

Or,  just consequences.   The only people during the black death who went out in the streets and brought in the sick children and sick men and women to their own homes were the true Christians.

THey were not afraid.  and of note there were many homes upon which death and sickness did not come.   Likewise today - it is a huge event today ,  politically and financially motivated for and by some groups.   They could have probably just isolated those in danger of problems,  i.e. 3 to 5 percent of the already sick, old and young, 

instead of isolating (or trying to) 90 to 99 percent - isolating a few would of had only minor consequences, and put fewer people at risk,  while isolating over 90 percent puts a lot more people at risk for many many problems as seen today.

"an act of God" ?    The miracle is if Jesus finds faith on earth !  

Stick with good food/  good bread.   As noted recently:   stick with Scripture as the Father reveals His Word,  and not with tradition.....  to avoid the deceptions so common today,  (..." it is just barely that the righteous are saved,  what's to happen to the ungodly" !?

On 1/20/2020 at 12:35 PM, ReneeIW said:

I was listening to a sermon early this morning and the pastor said that we are all capable of committing the same heinous and violent acts as serial killers and others if given the right circumstances, and that only a self-righteous person believes  otherwise.

I’ve heard this statement many times over the years and used to believe it, but now I do not. While we are all born with a sinful nature, it takes a certain type of personality to commit certain crimes. I can say unequivocally that I would not murder thirty people and hide them in my basement as one serial killer did. All glory goes to God for keeping me from those acts, but I don’t think it’s self righteous to say I am not capable of certain acts. I’m simply acknowledging that by the grace of God, I am not capable of doing certain things.

This used to be seen commonly on the forum - in 'lighter' cases of sin. 

You and I and other Ekklesia are "capable" of doing certain things,  but CHOOSE not to do those things.  See in the Epistles the choices that they made, and when, and why.  The will is important.

Just like a football player on the red team,  is "capable" of traitor - helping the other team,  but rarely does - he plays with and for the red team according to ALL the rules (not just SOME of the rules).

So sin,  like God told Cain,  is to be resisted/ rejected/ not given in to,  and the choice is given to men:  CHOOSE TODAY who to serve,  and most CHOOSE to serve demons/ idols/ false gods.

But those who endure to the end will be saved, as written.

24 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

It helped me to realize that there are a number of "cessationists" on this site....they don't believe the Lord still does miracles or speaks to us apart from the written word today.  That explains why it can sometimes feel like you are talking in a different language with some folks at times.  But we know that Jesus is alive, not dead, He is always working and always speaking.....for those who have ears to hear and eyes to see.

I don't think 'cess.........'  is a Biblical term describing this.   

Rather, as written:   "... having the FORM of religion,   but denying the POWER..."  which was true when written,  and remains true today -

God's Word,  and Jesus,   "the same yesterday, today and forever"  ,  as written.  

Not subject to the thoughts of men,  nor time,  nor culture.

What 'religion' ? /  idol/  false god/   "deceives the whole world" (today)  re The Apocalypse.....   All the governments/ religous leaders/ teachers/ professionals///  all deceived by it...

(all except the few who remain trusting in Jesus, following Jesus;   the remnant)

Apropro quote from another thread a few minutes ago:

"If you follow what Christ says in His Word with truly all your heart and mind, then you are fine. But if you take up mans ideas and especially 'tradition'.... " ... ... ...

10 minutes ago, Tigger56 said:

Then we agree, you must determine if truth is truth and you must recognize the fruit and the tree. We should always measure words from the recorded word to determine harmony and truth.

No.

We do not agree,  from this yet.

Without the revelation from the Creator,  just as the Creator Revealed to Simon barjona (Peter) that Jesus IS the Messiah - it was NOT by Peter's determining (nor by our own),  but

by the Father's Revelation, as written,  as described by Jesus,  in harmony with all Scripture.

Many think they can determine truth, and are continually led astray in forums/ churches/ schools/ governments/ medical/ etc etc etc ...

11 hours ago, Gideon said:

God has told us clearly. "Awake to righteousness and sin not." Is such a  thing possible? Of course it is, if Jesus is the one doing it in us, keeping is from falling. The word is clear. 

He has not told "us"/ if "us" means or includes those who live in the flesh, who have not heard Him,    instead reject His Word.

The "?" seems out of place.....    the people were stricken to the heart , crying out "what shall we do",  before they repented and were immersed in Jesus' Name. 

Afterwards,  they REJOICED at God's Word,   hungry and longing FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS,  desiring eagerly Jesus and to do as He Says -  asking Jesus "what shall we do"/  "how shall we live" ... and being taught by Jesus (those who remain with Jesus).   Like little children,  simply learning from Jesus and DOing what Jesus says,  not wondering "Is such a thing possible?" it seems to me,  but

rejoicing that Jesus and the Father accmplished their salvation after pointing out the broken-ness, the sinfulness of man/ the need to turn to the Father, repenting.

True,  Jesus told the Apostles and permanent disciples "I know you don't know how to live"  ..... 

but then what ?   That's not the end,  no, not at all.  Then Jesus continued:   "Come to Me, and Learn From Me;  I WILL SHOW YOU HOW TO LIVE" ....  (over and over He showed the Apostles and permanent disciples throughout Scripture;  and throughout history for the Ekklesia) ...    "I will teach you" ....  His Word,  His Promise,  to those who love (obey) God and are called according to His Purpose (like being born again:  by His Will,  not man's will;  His Purpose,  not man's purpose) ....

On 3/26/2020 at 5:26 AM, Tigger56 said:

Words from the Lord God, "We are the hope and we are the answer to everything that the world lacks and everything that the world needs."

Yes,  it matters if it is in harmony with all Scripture,   vs if it is not.

Christ is the hope - if people put their faith and trust in a man,   Yahweh curses them. (whoever trusts in the flesh, "I curse",  Yahweh says...)

We (Jesus' sheep)  ,   HEAR JESUS' VOICE, and follow HIM.    We will not follow another voice!

The Lord and Master Jesus overcame the world, and all fear and worry, 

likewise,  like Sarah and others in the OT, related in Hebrews, no fear - not even any sudden fear, 

for all who put their trust in Him and who have faith and rely on the Father for Salvation. 

The beleivers in the NT were said to walk daily full of peace, and joy, and righteousness.

On 12/5/2019 at 4:17 AM, R. Hartono said:

I dont know what will become of this man, but some people assume him as the 8th king of Revelation. Just sharing.

I dont mind if people think this is only an illusion.

The Scripture is not veiled concerning the enemy of Christ,   for the Ekklesia.  (i.e. what "will become"  is written simply  =  no vision, dream, nor illusion required )

1 minute ago, Debp said:

All manner of sin can be forgiven except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Yes,  that's more accurate with Scripture.

Not all sin is forgiven,   by far,   but the payment for sin was made once for all by Jesus ,  Christ Crucified.    The Provision for everything needed in this life and eternally was extravagently generously planned and accomplished by the Father.

5 minutes ago, Debp said:

 And all manner of sin can be forgiven through Christ.

I'll let others explain why this is not in line with all Scripture.  (it was already posted in many threads over the years)