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    Once Saved , Always Saved ?

    in General Discussion

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    Just now, shiloh357 said:

    Why would I answer my own questions?   I am asking questions to test someone else's theology.

    Why do any of have answers for questions we pose brother ? Perhaps because we are already convinced and want others to believe as we do ? ( a question ) 

    Once Saved , Always Saved ?

    in General Discussion

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    Just now, hmbld said:

    I believe the "works" that you refer to as being the action on our part, is a result of God's saving grace, creating a "new man" in us, is not works as to contributing to salvation, or even proving salvation, but instead the "works" is a result of God's work in us.  Again the action required on our part still is not a credit to us, but a credit to God.

    AMEN !

    Once Saved , Always Saved ?

    in General Discussion

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    15 minutes ago, Butero said:

    If I died right now, yes.  I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior, and am following him to the best of my ability.  If I turn away from him down the road, no.  That would mean I wasn't of the elect, but only thought I was. 

    Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure:  for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall.  For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.  2 Peter 1:10,11

    What things is he speaking of?  It isn't a sinner's prayer. 

    I don't know of a " sinner's prayer " other than I know I have sinned and without God's mercy and grace, I am lost and without Him.

    I rejoice in your faith in His ability to save you from yourself.

    Once Saved , Always Saved ?

    in General Discussion

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    Just now, Butero said:

    He died for the sins of the world, but he saved the elect, not those who simply prayed a sinner's prayer.  Let me show you something here.

    Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?  Be not deceived:  neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.  1 Cor. 6:9-10

    There are no exceptions for those who are saved.  It is assumed that those who are saved don't do those things anymore according to the 11th verse in that passage.  What happens if you begin having an affair?  According to this scripture, you will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.  What if you become a drunk?  According to this, you won't inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.  This is the problem with your doctrine.  There are scriptures that directly contradict it, even though there are scriptures you can point to that seem to defend it. 

    As much as you enjoy an argument brother, I do not. Your faith is not mine, and mine is not yours. I have hope and faith in a blessing and FINAL sacrifice for sin. 

    “The doctrines of men” are disastrous for your eternal destiny!

    in Apologetics

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    57 minutes ago, ZacharyB said:

     

    The disastrous doctrines of men began big-time after the original apostles died.

    Many who were NOT called by God wormed their way into church leadership.

    Gradually they put an end to God’s original method of using signs and wonders.

    Gone was His original plan of confirming the Truth of His gospel with miracles.

    Gone was the miraculous healing of the people of all of their many maladies.

    If God’s method of evangelizing the world (with signs and wonders) had been

    continued, the whole world would have been evangelized hundreds of years ago!

     

    You understand that God does not usually enter where He is not welcome, right?

    If man insists on utilizing his free-will harmfully, God doesn’t usually intervene.

    The pompous traditions of the church deceived the masses into submission.

    Man “ruled the roost”, and the Holy Spirit was banned from places of worship.

     

    More and more man-made anti-Scriptural doctrines came forth out of the church.

    More and more power and tithes for the church. And the beat goes on today …

    Not only is the church asleep (patiently waiting for the rapture), but its’ focus

    is on bringing in tithes for paying off mortgages and the paying of salaries.

     

    This is the time of the preaching of false doctrines, that’s for sure!

    • “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine,

    but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears,

    they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears

    away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.” (2 Timothy 4:3-4)

     

    The real true gospel of salvation goes along these lines …

    Those who truly “believe” with a saving faith … actually love Father God

    and Jesus enough to co-operate with (i.e. obey) THEIR stated desires!

     

    Keeping Jesus’ commandments is critical …

    • “If you love Me, keep My commandments.” (John 14:15)

    • “He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me.

    And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love Him

    … If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him

    … He who does not love Me does not keep My words” (John 14:21-24)

     

    Abiding in Jesus is critical …

    • “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered;

    and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.” (John 15:6)

    • “… abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love

    … You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.” (John 15:9-14)

     

    From John 14 and 15 above, I ask you …

    Will you go to heaven, if you do not love Jesus?

    Will you go to heaven, if you do not keep Jesus’ commandments?

    Will you go to heaven, if you are not loved by both Father God and Jesus?

    Will you go to heaven, if you do not abide in Jesus by keeping His commandments?

    Will you go to heaven, if you are not one of Jesus’ friends who obeys His commands?

     

    All “believers” think they are one of His sheep …

    • “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

    And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish …” (John 10:27-28)

    • “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God,

    and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” (John 17:3)

     

    From John 10 and 17 above, I ask you …

    Do you have eternal life, if you do not hear Jesus’ voice?

    Do you have eternal life, if Jesus does not know you?

    Do you have eternal life, if you do not follow Jesus (i.e. keep His commandments)?

    Do you have eternal life, if you do not know both Father God and Jesus Christ?

     

    Those who actually “follow” Jesus are dedicated to keep (obey) His commandments.

     

    • “Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says,

    ‘I know Him’, and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    But whoever keeps (obeys) His word, truly the love of (for?) God is perfected in him.

    By this we know that we are in Him.” (1 John 2:3-5) ß THE test for who is “in Christ”

     

    If your church preaches in this fashion today, then you are truly and uniquely blessed.

    But if it does not, then it is not preaching the Truth … you should pray about leaving it.

    IMO, the best route is to start a home group with other serious dedicated believers!

    Let the Holy Spirit guide you. That's why our savior told us He would be there to do just that.

    NOT EVERY ONE THAT SAYS LORD ,LORD, WILL ENTER IN ?

    in General Discussion

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    15 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

    Yes this reward is yours already and not anyone can can judge it, 

    Buy Jesus also has gifts and rewards through the Holy Spirit here on earth for his children, one exable is the rewards of the good stiuard, withought judging, gifts of the holy spirit, to know more of him and be in his presence while we are here on earth.

    As we are instructed trough out the scriptures prepare your harts for the coming of Jesus Christ, who wants to make his abode in us. 

    As Peter also said; prepare your harts and wait for the coming of Jesus to make his abode in us.

    Peter was taulking from his own experience, that already had happen to him.

    Would you agree this is a gift and not a reward ? There is a difference.

    NOT EVERY ONE THAT SAYS LORD ,LORD, WILL ENTER IN ?

    in General Discussion

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    3 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

    Another exable may be, asking Jesus a reward for providing a very luxurious environment in their churches, and asking or expecting a reward for that, atracking and making it comfortable for wealthy believers, at the same time avoiding the underprivileged, and made a name for them selfs, that they are a church of those who are financially well off, in this case they receive a reward from one to another, but not from Jesus who has a hart for the underprivileged and the suffering.  

    "They feed on the sin of My people And direct their desire toward their iniquity. And it will be, like people, like priest; So I will punish them for their ways And repay them for their deeds. They will eat, but not have enough; They will play the harlot, but not increase, Because they have stopped giving heed to the LORD.…"

    Hos 4:8-10

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