SINNERSAVED

Dear struggling,

you are not alone, to try to figure out how and what do , to get your self to understand and to walk with God,

first of all, you need to see that , when you read the bible that you are understanding the way that the lord showed us

how we are to conduct our attitude, and behavior, it is like a new moral compass, and so you take, one, book at a time, in the bible and  then meditate on it and see what God is showing you in them and then if it tells you to be kind < for example,. then be kind, if it tells you to give to the poor, and the needy ? , then  give to the poor and the needy, if there is something you can do for someone, then try to take a little time, or a moment to help someone, and not expecting any thing in return, and then you will see what love  is and what God is, and then you read a little more, and try to follow what is good, and if there is some, thing bad or no good, try to make it right,  and change it for the good, even if it means to humble your self in a argument with someone, request , to be forgiven , and hold no hate or anger in your heart,  and if they do you wrong, do not take, revenge, let it go ,

for it is a change from the inside out and it starts with practicing, to be a kind compassionate and understanding person, slow to speak , and slow to anger, having patients and smile , for smiling and a calm way will calm others down, for it is all about the changing of the heart and the mind, and always pray , pray for strength , pray for wisdom, and continue, to follow what is right and what is good, get away from bad habits, , and any thing that you know is not good, or that causes problems, to your self ,family and your people around, you , it is acknowledging that God  is always there, and even in secret, and when you figure that out,  you will change and things around you will change, this is the start of walking with God

put on the armor of God and be careful of what you watch or see, and hear or listen too, if garbage goes in, then garbage comes out,  in all things, the eyes ,are the windows of the souls, and you need to be guarding them , from things you know are not good,

 and when you speak, guard your tongue, to not curse, and say things that hurt, and that are mean or hateful, and things that destroy relationships, its best to be silent and think, before saying, or even thinking and praying for strength to be more patient and calm, then to jump and take action spontaneously

I hope some of this helps,

blessings to you and shalom

33 minutes ago, Sister said:

Hi sinnersaved, I would like to explain this as there is so much anger towards how people perceive God and Jesus and the relationship between the two.

 

We have to come to God through his Word, not anyone else's word.

We obey God, and know him through his Word. 

The same Word that created everything, and spoke in the NT is the same word that came out of God, and is glorified because his Word is true.

When God turned "his Word" into flesh, he did so because he wanted his Word to dwell amongst man and be heard.  He gave his Word a name on this earth so that we can identify him, he called his name Jesus, and he became his Son.  He is really his son because his Word came out of him, and was born into this world of a woman.  His Son was not fathered by any man on this earth, but through the almighty God in heaven himself.

When Jesus spoke, it was God speaking through him.  When Jesus said "I am", it was God speaking. 

When Jesus said I am the way, the truth, and the light, he has the right to say this because he is the Word of God, the same Word that comes out of God's mouth.

This is very confusing for most to comprehend. 

We cannot deny that Jesus is the Son of God now, for the scriptures attest to this.

We also cannot deny that when Jesus is speaking, it is God speaking for Jesus is God's Word.

When we all start debating this, and throwing stones, it shows we are lacking knowledge.  When Jesus speaks, it is God speaking.  When Jesus ascended, he sits on the right hand side of the Father, for God's Word is faithful and true and deserves all the glory given.

When Jesus comes back, he will come back as the Word of God.  He will have a new name.  This is who does the judging, the Word of God, all power & glory is given to him, like he had in the begininng.

God wanted us to know that Jesus is his only begotten Son.  This is the message of the gospel, that we cannot come to God unless we come through his Son. No one else in the world can claim this title and no one else can claim that they came out of God and created all things with him in the beginning. 

When we look deeper into the scriptures, we learn that Jesus is "The Word of God", so we follow this Word, the same Word that spoke in the holy scriptures, not another word coming from another book or another man.  If we follow this Word, Jesus, we follow the true God and cannot go wrong.  We cannot have one without the other, for God and his Word are one, and the spirit of truth is in the Word, for he also comes out of God's Word that came out of God.

John 5:22   For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

We will all be judged by "The Word of God", according to "His Word", and his Word is Jesus as we know him.  So we follow the Word of God (Jesus) and we cannot go wrong.  This is the true one.

 

 

 yes I agree,

6 minutes ago, Ezra said:

This is not the thread to assert that the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is not correct. Please start you own thread and show us from Scripture that the Rapture is AFTER the Tribulation (and not use Matthew 24 out of context).

hold up? I just answered your post, honestly , you brought it up and I answered, it, with truth and proper scripture ?

and it fulfills exactly what you said,  please read it ?

shalom

I believe we need to figure out the good Christians from the Bad Christians for there is many wolves in sheeps clothing and so when we figure that out, then we can see where the Calvinism,. sits on what fence,

I don't think most people understand what they truly believe, for there is too much division, in the denominations of the churches and the sides we all take, in general its become, to confusing ?

 I think its lack of understanding the scriptures and placing it in our lives correctly ?

thank you shalom

6 minutes ago, Ezra said:

Sounds like "You get what you deserve" Seriously, I don't think anyone believes that.

As to a packet, as mentioned above, our Bibles are our packets.  The critical issue is whether the individuals obeyed the Gospel which you shared with them.

And yes, the Rapture will be before the Tribulation, and there is sufficient biblical support for that view.

that is false teaching  the bible states that His return is after the tribulation  matthew 24, and so you are rewriting the end ? how can you dismiss this words, out of the mouth of the Son of God, and justify what you have just said ?

scripture proves you are incorrect, read matthew,24, its in there ,you cannot state what is not biblical and in order ?

it says after the tribulation of those days, then shall they gather ?

shalom

11 minutes ago, Ezra said:

As I explained above if some claim to be able to speak a prayer language privately, neither you nor I should argue with them, or tell them it is not right. That is totally realistic and reasonable, since it is basically their personal business.

As to the gift of tongues to be exercised within the local church, I already pointed out that Scripture says that tongues would cease, and cease they did. Modern tongues are not the same as Bible tongues.

show your proof to this account, it does not say that in the bible ?

33 minutes ago, bopeep1909 said:

I do believe that the Holy Spirit will bring many to faith in Jesus Christ during the seven year tribulation. Those people will be the Tribulation Saints and most of them will die.

Question: "Will the Holy Spirit be present during the tribulation?"

Answer: The question of the Holy Spirit not being present during the tribulation results from a misunderstanding of 2 Thessalonians 2:7, which reads, “For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.” Right now, prior to the tribulation, one of the ministries of the Holy Spirit is the restraint of evil. In verses 8 and 9, we learn that the restraining power of the Holy Spirit holds back the “lawless one” (Antichrist) so he is not revealed before God wills it. The passage says the Holy Spirit will no longer restrain the growth of evil, but that does not mean He will have no ministry whatsoever.

In Acts 1:4–5, Jesus promises that His disciples would soon be “baptized with the Holy Spirit.” In Acts chapter 2, Jesus’ promise is fulfilled. In verses 38 and 39, it is written that “Peter replied, ‘Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.’”

The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is thus assured for every born-again believer, and nowhere in Scripture is that promise rescinded. Regeneration is the Spirit’s work; without Him, no one is saved. If the Spirit were not present during the tribulation, no one could be saved. But the fact is that a multitude that no one can number is saved during the tribulation (Revelation 7:9–14). Therefore, those who come to Jesus during the tribulation period will also be indwelt by the Holy Spirit. Give glory to God for making that provision, because tribulation saints will need the guidance and direction of the Spirit during that troubled time.

Another good reason that the Spirit must be present during the tribulation is that He is omnipresent. Since He is everywhere at all times, He must be in the world during the tribulation.

At some point—only God knows when—the restraining influence of the Holy Spirit will be removed, the Antichrist will be revealed to an unwitting and unsuspecting world, and the tribulation period will begin.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Holy-Spirit-tribulation.html

this link is false for the bible does not say that the holy spirit is the force, that holds back the antichrist, in fact it condradicts it self ,for the holy spirit never goes away , and is with the saints until the end , the saints in the tribulation during the time, that the antichrist is allowed to over come, the saints for 42 months is clear that the spirit is still there, the correct answer if you read your scripture and understand is Michael the arc angel ,

when he stands up, this is the power that sits on evil as it ,

was that Michael the arch angel and his angels fought with satan and his angels, so , the link is wrong and scripture is being falsely put out and so I have to rebuke, that in the name of jesus ,and tell the truth that's what we are called to do , to remove doubt and false teachings and doctrines, that are in conflict with the bible ,the holy spirit cannot leave the saints for it is in them and if it is no longer then ,how do they stand up and show there victory , by death  of the blood and there testimony ?even unto death , jesus says I am with you until the end . thank you

shalom

I think you all need to read your bibles and understand what the scriptures say , do you fall for that left behind, movie, and not read what the bible says <

if you want to be prepared or save any one, then now is the time, to be bold and tell them and if they don't listen to you , then they don't, and if you think , that they will be come, believers and have a second chance. after this is all completely against what the bible says, matthew 24 , if you are not believing this then you have rejected what God is saying, and so Jesus tells us the truth and the facts,  and so , the rest is written, and so those in the tribulation those saints that is us, according to the bible if you are still here then you will see that day and will have to make a decision, and its going to be your life and or death , there is no golden yellow ticket out or to holly wood

 God said endure through this and you will get your rewards, and so I say that the bible is telling us this, and many are refusing Gods word, and so who is teaching another gospel now ?

thank you that's my view and its biblical and fact , as it is written so it will be as the BIBLE tells us, do not be deceived>

shalom

6 minutes ago, tigger398 said:

The rapture is gonna happen and this is not the thread for it.

I did not bring it up , Bopeep did ?

1 minute ago, Joline said:

There is a change of law, because the new covenant is not concerning the carnal commandments. Are you saying the carnal elements which pertain to the priesthood only are changed and others remain?

Heb 7:12  For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
 

15  And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16  Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17  For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18  For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19  For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

read  what I posted prior it tells it all that I have  as my view,

 and so do you say that all off the old testament is done away with , is this what you would believe, ?

that nothing is carried over at all , and so we start over with new rules and avoid what God instructed to the people of old, ?

 does it state that, ? thank you for responding,

shalom

I believe it is not them we have to worry about, it is the focus of the majority  and the morals that we tend to pick and choose what is  a little sin from what is a huge sin,

 we need to understand and in general and in truth of scripture,  a violation of the littlest Sin is a violation of all of it, and so , where does it start and where does it end is what we ask our selves, for to say this is a greater Sin then me taking a pencil from work, stealing , from another, can we really say honestly that stealing is not as bad as  a life style that does not fit into the  reproductive way of life, ?

 I see that many also place items in different baskets, and then label them as such , some over here and some over there, and when we need to see that there is no gray area and there is no in between we have the saved and the non saved , the righteous and the unrighteous the dark and the light , and what does the righteous have with unrighteousness, ?

 we cannot pick and choose what we believe is of others when we are to deal with and to examine our selves on our fallen short of the glory of God, for we all have our faults, and I have my share,

 but the moral codes and life in form is about Love and being morally understanding and knowing to do right then to do wrong, if you believe you are being watched or not, it is the honesty that we do all things in the humbleness of the spirit , and that we cannot change everything, but we can be responsible= for our own actions and to reflect Gods love from the inside out, until others see the love of God and glorify  him in the highest, and give praise to God that is worthy ,

it seems that as the days get closer, we are starting to live in the tribulations and the out come, of the curses of Sin we have been talking about all these years, if you say we are not already entered in to the trials and tribulations of our faith , then we have deceived our selves to say its going to get better and we will not be subjected to this, and that's satans preaching , and deception, that we are taking, God said you will have tribulation, and those that endure until the end shall be saved, so its time to start enduring, for as child birth the pains get closer and stronger together and then its here the end of all ends

sop do not think I come to bring peace, but a sword, Jesus said these things I tell you so when you do see it, that He warned us, and we are to be strong and endure , endure , and endure until the end of our time,

blessings and shalom

20 hours ago, bopeep1909 said:

None of this stuff surprises me. Since we are living in the end times it will just get worse. I do not know how bad it will get until the rapture of the Church.

that is not going to happen, the bible says after the tribulation in matthew, 24 and so let us follow what Jesus has said and not add words that it does not , 'we are going to face a lot more then the differences of life style, and people are not prepared for it ,wishing,  they believe they get out of dodge pass, is not happening, , this is truth and the bible states this, not me,? thank you for listening

shalom

19 minutes ago, Ezra said:

Since OO explained that he does not speak publicly, there is no need to bring up the issue of interpretation. He already explained what his gift does and how it works, so once again there is no need to hammer on this as you are doing.

There are many genuine Christians who believe that they have a prayer language for their personal use. Disputing personal experience leads nowhere. 

On the other hand, what we see in Acts chapter 2 is a supernatural manifestation of the power of the Holy Spirit.  And that should be the basis of understanding the gift of tongues (which should really have been called the gift of languages, since the Greek word dialektos -- dialect -- is used in Acts 2:8).  

The Bible does say "whether there be tongues, they shall cease" (1 Cor 13:8), and I believe that when the apostolic age came to an end, supernatural linguistic ability came to an end. The New Testament was completed in Greek by 90 AD, and Greek was the lingua franca of the Roman Empire.  The NT was also translated into Syriac-Aramaic (the Peshitta) shortly thereafter.

so you are saying it is not in effect any more ?, and I should not ask , what it is like ?

 really , I think you have contracdicted your self all in one chapter, you just confused me,

so Ezra do you believe that tongues is used today , and it edifys the church ? and in what way , and why do some, have it personally to them selves, and others don't, I do not see how this is to be realistic, and a reasonable answer, it is not correct ? the church or members have it or they don't,  I would like to know if this is in effect true today , and if so , how does it work, and helps people and church?

I see you want to follow and go against what I am saying , and I don't know what your agenda is ?

could you explain how you believe to be right all the time,? and I am wrong just for asking questions,? that are valid and full of substance ? you are trying to push your own views,  and its about what the bible is saying ,?

peace

6 minutes ago, RobertS said:

Exactly, Ezra: and the thing to keep in mind is that if we do not want to preach the gospel and make disciples, that would mean we either do not want others (who were in as dire a state as ours) to be saved, or do not care if they are or not. And that is in opposition to Jesus' commandment to "Love God with all your heart, soul, strength and mind", and to "love your neighbor as yourself". It means we are disregarding the Lord's direct instruction, and disregarding the care and eternal welfare of our fellow human beings around us.

One other thing: "preaching" and "making disciples" isn't just standing on a street corner and preaching, nor is it just teaching in a Sunday school class (this is just my opinion): it is whenever we bring the Word of God to those who need it, and whenever we gently instruct them in the ways of the Lord. But all of us, together, are to do as scripture has commanded us.

Let me know what you think of my last statement Ezra.   -Robert

that was a really  good statement  and true , I agree with you 100% and my thoughts also ,

thank you for that ,

shalom

33 minutes ago, Ezra said:

*Required* is exactly right. Preaching the Gospel to every creature and making disciples were COMMANDMENTS of Christ. That has nothing to do with the existence of free will, but it has everything to do with receiving Christ as BOTH Lord and Savior. Please note carefully what it stated below: Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. (Mt 28:19,20).

 

"Teach all nations" can be translated as "disciple all nations" (which is the literal meaning).

making of disciples,  from the apostles it is given and then to those, that are able to be disciples,

example, you go to any church , and see that many people continue to sit every week and continue to listen and get milk,

 but will not go out and share the word of God, you get a hand ful of the majority , and this is proven that many go and only a few will follow through , so do those that just come to listen and warm the bench, , are they disciples, are they saved, are they following the instruction, what happens to those people ?

 I would love to hear your answer,

 I will give you another, someone that knows the bible  and can tell you all about it , and does not use it or share with others, what is there standing , in the eyes of God, are they rejecting to be disciples, ?

I think you are not seeing the whole picture, , you believe that every one, every single person is going to go out and preach the gospel ?

you have some, leaders and then you have followers, some can only take, milk , and only a few will take, on the meat , and potatoes

 so tell me, what you think , ? we are not all made out to be preaching the word, , just like not every one, is a rocket scientist ?

 thank you

8 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

So are you following Mosaic law?  I posted a link to the entire law, above. 

your laws you posted are man made laws not the laws of God, the Talmud, and so if you also read what I posted ,above you will see I explained it all very nicely , and so you might want to look at it to see , what I really believe about this, <

so I do have one question, but you might not want to answer it, ?

can you tell me what the book of Isaiah 65 and 66 means, about the dietary laws ?

you have great skills in scripture and you can probably tell me what it means, and how it effects us today , as believers, ?

thank you M.G

Just now, hmbld said:

Ok, I think I understand what your saying.  So do you believe every law is to be followed, except the animal sacrifices?

I explained it in full detail  a few posts ago , back up and look what I wrote, its about three above or before this thank you

Just now, hmbld said:

Hebrews 8:13 In that he said, A new covenant, he has made the first old. Now that which decays and waxes old is ready to vanish away.

yes but what is the word of God, will never fade away , remember  the  heavens and the earth passes away but Gods word does not, ?

covenant or not,, what I believe was old and fades away is the sacrifices that animals , and Jesus did it by given of himself, and also that by going to the cross the old testament could not save you give you salvation, and break the power of death and the new does this, so I am not adding or trying to be of moses , I am about God, I am following what He says not what covenant, or what is no longer needed but what has been replaced and made fulfilled, for we were dead in death and sins and the mosaic law could not and had no power over this, so the sin and death was broken, and so it is written man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD of God, and every would mean EVERY WORD,

blessings to you shalom

from my understanding and what I have seen posted on this thread , that we had the law, and now we are under grace, and the law is no more, ? if this is what is being said, then thats completely in opposition ,of what the bible and the covenants are about,

there is not a new one and  so the old is out, ? this is false teaching, and Jesus did not teach this,  God does not go against himself, nor does the Son of God ,go against the sayings of the Father, the prophets and the law of moses , if you look in the new testament in the book of Romans

it is set in laws we still have, the laws given to us, we have the law of Sin and Death 

we have the laws of dietary ,we have the Laws of ceremonies

we have the law of faith ,

the law of God

the law of CHRIST

THE LAW OF SPIRIT AND LIFE

the law of righteousness works of the law no one is justified, but yet, it is by faith in belief that we do the works of the spirit for the faith with out works is dead, and the wages of Sin is death >period..

mark 7;8-13you put away the law for the traditions of men ?

romans 2; 12-13, justified by law.

Psalms119 ;142 and your law is truth romans 3;20 the knowledge of Sin comes from the law

and Jesus said those that follow Him follow in the commandments and the words of God, and that not one jot or tittle would be change until heaven and earth pass away,

He also says that he has not put away or abolish the law of the prophets,  for He came to fulfill them, and so nothing is put away , but unless we see that if we follow God then we follow the commandments  today it is for eternity that Gods word is,

how do we say we follow God but not follow his commandments, ? the torah, is the first five books, it is also the instruction given to man, and it is all inclusive, and to think it is not is false teaching,

you cannot follow God and only hold on to the new testament , for then we are not following the law, or Gods instruction,

 is not all of Gods word truth , and if we fail at one, commandment we are guilty of all, and so this is where grace is given , but it does not in no way exclude, it, ,

the new with Jesus is the blood covenant, that has put away death and sin, or death where is your sting ?

and for the Sins of the world we have Gods perfect lamb ,no ceremonies, sin and death has been taken cared of, but everything else stands , this is the divider, of the called out ones, and those that reject the word of God, there cannot be no negotiation

it is done, so going back to Romans we see what is left, and we also see that by follow the two new, commandments it does not wash any of it away it just simplifies  that by loving God first, and then your neighbor as your self ,sums up all the prophets and the laws

but this does not take away , the dietary law, the law of faith , of God , of Christ, and of Love, of righteousness, of the spirit  and life,

so let us not divide what God has put together, let us not say under one God that we are not one, ?

for we are one nation, and we serve one God, and all that is given to the people is for the jew and the gentile, we are not converting to jew, and nor do we try to be what we are not ?

 but we need to be obedient and offer our selves as living sacrifice to God, and vessels for His will and cause, and so we are not our own we are bought with a price, ?

so the next time, you say I don't have to do this or that, and it was for the jews and them and not me ? then you are in rejection of the word of God given to His people and you are now willingly sinning to justify and to compromise, to avoid  and side step the truth of the scriptures given to us .

thank you I hope this blesses you in your walk with Yahweh

blessings and shalom

7 hours ago, OldSchool2 said:

from First Things:

"Christianity has long been susceptible to antinomian temptations. St. Paul’s pointed and often rhetorically violent rejections of the role of Jewish law in the lives of Jesus’ Gentile followers are difficult to untangle, and it is easy to fall back upon simple juxtapositions between law and grace or between letter and spirit. Moreover, the gospel stories report many instances in which Jesus rebukes the scribes and Pharisees, reinforcing a common Christian view that faith is at odds with a law-focused piety. These antinomian temptations need to be resisted, especially today when an antinomian spirit predominates in our culture at large.

"Christianity, of course, provides many reasons to resist the antinomian temptation. 'Not my will, but thine,' says Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane on the eve of his passion and death. St. Benedict’s Rule provided the basis for monasticism in the West. Martin Luther put the Ten Commandments at the head of his catechism, and as John Paul II explained in Veritatis Splendor, his encyclical on moral theology, the commanding power of moral truth serves as the foundation for genuine self-possession and authentic human freedom. But we are children of our antinomian age, one that Christianity itself has played a role in shaping. Therefore Christians do well to turn to Jewish thinkers, for they can help us formulate pro-nomian antidotes to our antinomian diseases...."

http://www.firstthings.com/article/2012/01/loving-the-law

it is too confusing to get through all this intro, would you please break it down to what you are sharing in teaching and what is your view point on this, for the common people as my self, I do not understand this topic,

 I have a idea, but I would love to comment, once you have broken it down to a understandable, read,

thank you , for I believe you are asking about or telling about the law and the grace, and the ways of the laws of the jews , and what we are doing today as Christians, in what we believe, but if I continue, I will also confuse my self, and we do not want that, Lol

 please explain your self,

thank you for sharing

I believe you should mark it and put in sticky notes, and have a note book on the side for other research and look up items, and hylight

 that's fine, its your bible and you need to use it as a study tool , not a piece of art, or handlke like glass, ?

 get into it like you are studying for a great exam, and you need to do what you need to to get all your notes together,

 and if you don't want to do that, then go to a salvation army , library store, or  a place that sells bibles,  and get one just to mark up and use for study ,

I have a new bible and I had a hard time, putting in and making my first circle, with a pen, and I did , and so its all down hill from there,

lol shalom

34 minutes ago, hmbld said:

It seems many sheep look for opportunities to call others goats.  Yes, even scripture points out that many believe they are sheep, but Jesus will tell them He never knew them.  That is scary.  But I don't think it is beneficial to call others goats, or tares.  Let me follow Jesus with no regard to any thing of this world, and let me learn to alway point to Jesus, the hope that is available to everyone, let me learn to encourage and lift up others, let me not get caught up in the mud slinging, rock throwing, thinking that my being right is more important than caring for others.  In agreement with you as to doing a self-check, or examine ourselves rather than judging others.  Even when I try to make this a priority, at the end of the day, I realize I have not yet succeeded.  

that is a great response, and I thank you for that , I have understood your message with in this and thank you for your heart and caring ,

but at many times people also need to be told and to acknowledge  that we must stay in the graces of God, and to be humble at all times, and many forget, that we cannot use evil for good, and so the bible is full of warnings and so it goes, we must share the love and the warnings, to be fair to everyone, so that we can continue to examine our selves and to keep our selves in check , and to always, and continue to seek Yahshua no matter what our circumstances are , and so I do not use this for throwing stones , or judging, but to remind us that we all have fallen short, and we have a redeemer, that is and has forgiven all that comes, to Him, in truth and in spirit , and we are to reflect  Him, to others as our light, shines for the word of Yahshua,

we need to tell others, that many are on the road that is wide and broad and if they don't get them selves right , in word and in deed, then they will be rejected, by and not be allowed into the kingdom, many today think they are in, and when time comes, it will not be so ?so  we have to take the bitter with the sweet, amen ..

truth is the truth , and its all for the sake of salvation, all scripture and every word, the good parts and the bad  parts,

if we are the watchers and not warn the people then their blood would be on our hands and so there is a balance ,  for to grow and to learn of the way of love, and the disobedience and what lies for that ,

shalom

3 minutes ago, hmbld said:

Great point!  Yes, I agree we are all works in progress, and we must extend grace to each other, and even so it is good to discuss scriptures, I pray you did not feel I picked up any stones as I said what I remembered Jesus had said in scripture.  I am excited to read your words as a humble and patient brother or sister is much easier to learn from!  Yes, a lot of work needs to be done, and all the more we see others need work, let us remember that we may need all the more work in humble patience!  God bless!

P.S.  The best teachers I ever had were the ones who cared!  Not the ones who knew everything!

great point and thank you for your compassion and honest answer, I never, thought of you picking up a stone, but you will see who has,

blessings to you

shalom

when we look at the division of the believers and non believers and then we see that there is a division, and it is clear, and all understands and would agree I believe that when it comes, time, for the shepherd to separate the Goats from the sheep ,

 and the angels separate the wheat from the tares, it is clear that some that thought they were sheep all this time, will be with the goats on the left side, and wonder, how did I get here, ?

 and the wheat will be gathered and placed in SAFE KEEPING , BUT THE TARES ARE GATHERED AND ARE BURNT IN THE FIRE, OF THE EVERLASTING ,

SO HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT SEPARATES BELIEVERS ? from so -called, fake believers ?

I would say that through the years we have the time, to read our bibles and to place scripture into our lives, and either live for Yahweh, or live for the self ? many today are saying that they are sheep,  and yet are not in keeping with the word of the shepherd, and so dis obedience, is not able to justify ones, standing, for it is ,

in spirit and truth that one, is brought into obedience and faith in the lord almighty , under free will and to do what ever and to surrender to the calling of the spirit, and this includes, to follow what the commandments are, for if we do not follow the commandments, then we are not of the shepherd and we will be rejected as  we have rejected Him, He will also in that day reject us,

humble and understanding of the position we are now placed in as the saints and called out one, we are to separate our selves from the world and all that the father of lies, will have to deceive and to trap you in, that keeps us away from the love of the father,  

many in churches today , and confessing sheep will also get that rude awakening on that day and be tossed out,  for they have deceived them selves to think they could know God and yet Sin and carry on as  a non believer, ?

 so be careful in your walk today , and be watchful and read your bibles for we need to examine our selves to see if we are in the right standing of the savior and the graces of God, for many with their lips and say , one thing, but there lives and actions, do another,

 you will know the sheep , by their fruits, and you will know that Goats do not make , into the kingdom, for they have forged for them selves a place here in the world and will not follow completely the ways of the holy one,

 this is also to be ready , for we do not know when our time, will be .

blessings and I hope this blesses and helps  in making sure we are all in , and not just one foot in and one out,

shalom

15 minutes ago, hmbld said:

We have free will, we are not free from the consequences of our free will decisions.  

Jesus said whoever hears and does His commandments are the ones who love Him.  We can choose to obey His commandments, Or as Kwik said, to do otherwise is rebellious (sin).  So to say one is a Christian, yes the word "required" is the proper term with regard to obeying.  

okay , so rebellion is the one that shows hate and contemp to another , when they are about and talking about God and what we should follow, and so what is a SIN,  and where does the Love for one another, instead of the tearing down, that I see,

 I know what is required, and if it be of obedience, then it means that we have humbled our selves, not only to Yahweh , but that we Humble our selves to one another, in peace and understanding and compassion, and this is not what I see, but yet, they will tell others about what we should do and don't do , and yet , they break this even more, and in flagrant manner, ?

if we are to represent what Yahshua is and was, then I see a lot of work needs to be done, for what I am seeing that seems to be the normal is the stone throwing, ? why do we try to get our stones ready before showing love and compassion as we are command too?

so I know what the scriptures say , and I have not picked up my stone, towards any one, ,

blessings and shalom