Beebert

Okay I do not question that you are right. I just find it difficult to somewhat understand haha

Of course. But what if they rebell and then want to repent?

I understand it is. But why can one not repent from rebellion?

But is the sin then to refuse Christ untill you die? It is so hard for me to understand the sin. I mean, I guess that God forgives a man who wants forgiveness?

So you mean it is not to say "no" to Christ? Not to "fall away" from faith? Not to say "no" to salvation?

So you mean basically that they never WILL confess their sins and ask for forgiveness? But it is still hard to understand. Because IF someone hypothetically did like the pharisees but then asked for forgiveness, or if one of the pharisees who blasphemed the holy spirit would have realized they actually did something very wrong and wanted forgiveness, forgiveness would not have been granted to them?

This I understand. But if a person does go against Christ in this way But then regrets that fact?

The unforgivable sin is basically to say no to Jesus yes. But I still wonder over this... If a person says no and then later regret this fact and wants to be forgiven and be with God, is he rejected by God because of his earlier no?

Okay I see... So basically, he who asks for forgiveness is forgiven if he truly asks for it? There is no "No, I gave you that opportunity and you spoiled it!"?

I ask the same here. What if they deny him and then later on regret it? Will they not be forgiven even if they ask?

By that you mean that if a man has rejected God's offer and then regrets the fact that he did, he will not be forgiven even if he asks? Why would God do that if he wants everybody to be saved? I can accept that there can come a point when a person will not care about God anymore and not ask for forgiveness, but you mean that there can be that persons who ask for forgiveness but are denied forgiveness?

But is it a lifetime ut rejecting or a one time rejecting?

But there must be an unforgivable sin that can be comitted today and I would say that is to know the work of God, hate it and do everything to prevent it. In other words to do just like the pharisees and actively try to destroy the work of God for yourself and others. Knowingly. That is the same work as the devil does, hence, the blasphemer works with the devil out of hatred towards God.

I ageee with this... I am sorry, I guess I must have missunderstood what you actually meant. God of course wants People to be saved, which is why he will not deny those calling up on him, but at the same time he will never accept sin.

I have a hard time accepting this view. If it is true, it can sound like people get only one chance to repent and receive forgiveness. If this view is right, then I must have comitted this sin. And so must Jonah, Peter, David etc... Or maybe I missunderstand? But you know my thread I started a couple of months ago, I did reject the truth when convicted. Not out of malice or anger or hatred but because I was a coward(which is no excuse). Then I realized and became very afraid and Started asking for forgiveness. And if I the want forgiveness and want to turn away from sin to have a relationship with God, you mean he will not let me because of my past rejecting? The bible says God is more mercyful than human beings. And Christ came to save lives, not destroy them.

That is true IF the unbeliever dies in that State, but as long as there is life there is hope. We have almost all been unbelievers once

I think the unforgivable sin is to do what the devil does : To not Only sin against God, but to actively work against him and try to prevent not Only yourself but also others to come to Christ. Basically to do what the devil does and work with him out of hatred against the trinity.

You are absolutely right about it all being "I, I, I". And that is what I detest. The thing is, you asked me if I read the bible: I do. The problem is what I find there... 1.5 years ago when I was about to be converted, I felt blessings, my heart was touched and I realized the truth about what was there. Then I was convicted about sin... And I felt like I was drowning and needed Christ. But you see, instead I went into sin and the problem is what is in my mind. It is extremely hard to change your ways of thinking just like that. Because it requires the help of God. What do I find in scripture now? I find the same truth as before. But I see condemnation. Why? Because I sinned after knowing truth. I try. I keep trying. Believe me. I do have to try more. But the biggest problem is that my selfishness is something only Christ can cure me from. I almost let him cure me 1.5 years ago because my heart was really destroyed and I was truly convicted and in realization over the fact that I needed a savior in Christ. But instead I went far astray and my mind is extremely messed up now. In the word of Jesus, which is the word of God, I find that he curses the tree that didn't bear fruit and says that it will never bear fruit again. He says that eternal life is for those who repent and have faith in him, but those who don't perish. When I read that, my mind says "You could have repented, and you could have put your faith in him but you perished instead". He also says, walk in the light while you have lest darkness will come over you. I interpret that as darkness came over me since I did go the path of darkness after being exposed to light. He cures people everywhere: Yes, but what would happen if they keep on the same way as before? I know Christ is God, he is the truth. But you see when I read the new testament now after what I have done, EVERYTHING feels like "Oh what beauty, what truth. And I neglected it! I have done like the pharisees... I have done like Cain, Judas! How could I?". Please don't condemn me when I say this... I want nothing more than being with Christ, but it is impossible without the help from above you know. Can I behave like Christ without his spirit helping me? Why do I feel condemned? Because I have acted like the condemned people in the bible have acted. I mean it isn't as simple as remembering your sins and then saying "Forgive me" and then it is done. The true "Forgive me" part is something supernatural that I had 1.5 years ago but it truly feels like I lost it. I can't take a step towards God without his help. I can sit and pray all day long, but it doesn't change what is written. And what is written? That the tree that doesn't bear fruit is cast into the fire, that every branch that doesn't bear fruit is cut off, that the Word falls on different ground, that those who sin after knowledge of the truth will not be forgiven(and what is the truth? That Christ is the son of God. Did I know this? Yes.), that Judas betrayed Christ and was not forgiven because he never took the step to trust in Christ. That Esau was hated, that the pharisees sinned greviously because they were convicted but refused repentance when they were. It says that Christ died ONCE and was resurrected once. If I had the inner experience beyond words to describe that Christ died for me 1.5 years ago, but I kept on sinning after that, it means what? That I crucified him again? It feels like it, and I hate myself for it. Christ is the truth. I know he is, and I would so want to be his friend and for him to be my savior. But I have this memory of the change that occurred in my heart back then, how my mind was actually turning different 1.5 years ago, how I saw that life was a lie without Jesus and that sin was hideous. To have this memory and to see how your mind now is as carnal as ever before, makes it extremely difficult. When I now read the New Testament I always stuck on the parts about hell and I get so scared. And when I read all the wonderful parts of love that touched me so deeply before, I feel like they do not apply to me. Why? Because Jesus has like 10 parables about what happens if you do not say yes to his invitation when he invites you and how the door is locked afterwards. And that is exactly how it feels in my heart: It feels like the door is locked and I shout out to Christ please let me in, please save me, but I only have this intense anxiety and at the same time "deadness" inside me that says "The door is locked, it is now too late". I sure hope it isn't too late. I want to do something... But it isn't based on actions but on grace and faith. Do I believe in Christ? Yes. In what way? Probably in the same way as the demons that James spoke about. Because see to it: Paul says neither adulterers, sexually immoral, murderers, drunkards etc will inherit the kingdom. When I read this 1.5 years ago I completely agreed with this and was disgusted by all these sins and understood what he meant. And Paul continues by saying "Such were some of you". Yes... And 1.5 years ago I said to myself... "Such was I... But not anymore". But then I continued with sexual immorality. What does it say to me now? That I am a sexually immoral person who will not inherit the kingdom. Then I read "Such were some of you" and my mind says "Such could you have stopped being but you continued. You knew truth but you took Christ for granted". And I did. I did take it for granted, thinking that I could come back later or something... I don't remember. "Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation but worldly sorrow brings death". Something like that is what Paul says. Back then my sorrow was godly, but now my mind says "your sorrow is worldly". How can I become sorry in the right way without the aid from Christ? Believe me... Please believe me... I don't want to be self-centered. I don't want do give up. But it is like a sickness. Being like this is like a sickness of the mind and the heart. And that sickness is the result of sin. I want with all my heart believe that I can turn to Christ. I try to convince myself all the time. But how can I ever ignore what has happened and step up without thinking about being afraid of hell? When a person is saved, he doesn't fear hell right? He knows he is save. I know I WOULD have been saved if I confessed. But it feels like I was in a court room back then. God was the judge. The devil was the accuser and Jesus the defender. But I chosed to not listen to Christ but to the Devil. How could I? I mean seriously. I don't know if my memory is making things appear stronger than they were, maybe I didn't realize as much as I imagine, but I do remember that I felt that something died within me when I had sex instead of confessing. And then I read Hebrew 6 and thought "I am lost...". Well... The thing that comforts me a little bit is that I hadn't read enough in the bible back then. I mean, for example I hadn't read any of the prophets of the old testament. So my knowledge about what faith actually was and so on was very limited, and I didn't belong to a church etc. Maybe God oversees this and realizes that I am young and don't have much experience? I mean, can he really condemn a person to hell because of something he did wrong (even though it was serious) at the age of 21 without much experience in life? Wouldn't he give me another chance? The problem is that the bible for me says no... I hope and pray every day that God opens my eyes and reveals to me that he gives me another chance... But I don't know. Also everything is about... I mean... I don't know if I was converted and born again and then fell away or if I was ABOUT to be converted but never was. It is so difficult to know for sure... Protestantism for example have like 20 000 different views on these things... Orthodoxy has another view... How do I know? Arminian theology says that a person is totally depraved and that God can take the step calling people and people have to respond with free will. But if they don't they are totally depraved again and lost forever. And if this is true theology then I am certainly lost because that is what I did. If calvinism is true I wasn't even called to begin with right? But I think for sure calvinism is false. If orthodox theology is true I might have a chance still. But you see... It is so difficult all of this.

I want a relationship with Christ but it feels like I am shut out. True saving faith is a gift from God and to me it feels like I didn't receive the gift. I don't know how to truly repent. I have such anxiety that I can't rest for a minute during the day. If I lived at Christ's time, wouldn't I have received a death sentence then? Think about the adulteress. He didn't judge her but what if she would have comitted the same crime again imideately after?

It is horrible I say this but I feel such hatred towards myself and my actions. I feel like I deserve earthly punishment. Think about it: Say that you steal something or punch someone. And after having done so you feel convicted by God who Points you to Christ. But instead of confessing and asking for forgiveness you steal 50 times again or punch 50 other persons for a year. AFTER conviction. That is what I have done but with sex. This society do not see the seriousness in it because sex is a God to it. But the seriousness is there.

Do you guys think Jesus will return soon?

I don't my dear friend... Truly I don't. I don't. I really don't... But how can I change. How can I have my eyes opened so that I see?

Thank you... But I still feel condemned... How can I ever interpret the scripture differently? Christ says for example that the branches on him that does not bear fruit will be cut off by the father. And he says just about 25 things that condemns me. And the only hopeful thing is the prodigal son. But the prodigal son actually for me sounds like speaking to the human being who is about to be saved. I mean... We are all naturally prodigal sons until we get saved. But the one who does not listen when the lord calls... He is condemned. By Christ's own words. And also by Peter 2, Hebrew 6 and 10, John 5, and many others. Matthew 7, 12, 13 20, 21, 22, 24, 25. And Luke 12, 13, 14, 16, 19. And plenty of chapters in John and Mark as well.

Did you really pray for me? Thank you... Thanks. I have read the story but it also spoke to me more 1.5 years ago. But I Will read it again and again and eventually maybe it will speak

God will not rebuke if you were ignorant or that over which you had no control. He will rebuke you, however, if you failed to do that over which you had control.