Dennis1209

October 4, 2016

1 hour ago, Yowm said:

YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME?!

Father Jose Gabriel Funes, Catholic News Agency, May 13, 2008

October 4, 2016

2 hours ago, Willa said:

Perhaps this topic should be in the conspiracy theory category, or at least controversial.

What I wrote is neither controversial nor conspiratorial, they are easily verified statements with a little checking. If you wish, I can lengthen my comments with abundant sources even with pictures of Shiva inside a star gate / portal at CERN. However, the purpose of the locations of these two sights would take almost a book to explain, and a number have been written.

October 4, 2016

2 hours ago, Out of the Shadows said:

Could you explain how you get L.U.C.I.F.E.R. out of "Large Binocular Telescope Near-infrared Utility with Camera and Integral Field Unit for Extragalactic Research"

Wouldnt it be L.B.T.N.U.C.I.F.U.E.R

My sentiments exactly... They really had to stretch it hard to get that one. That's what the Vatican titled it and they affectionately refer to it as "Lucy". No kidding.

October 4, 2016

What in the world do you suppose is going on here? And exactly what business does the Vatican and the religious institution of Catholicism have outside of the Christian religion I'm wondering?

The Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope (VATT), the the most powerful and advanced telescope on earth. Situated on top of the 4th most Holy site of all Native American's, outside Tucson, Arizona on Mount Graham. With a new instrument L.U.C.I.F.E.R., Large Binocular Telescope Near-infrared Utility with Camera and Integral Field Unit for Extragalactic Research (Devil = Morning Star), {emphasis mine} - Rebecca Boyle, Popular Science Magazine.

With some diligent research you will discover why the Vatican fought so hard with the lawsuits, environmental activists, Native Americans that ensued to get that telescope at that exact spot. Why go through all the expense and legal battle that by the way, Senator John McCain intervened and Congress interceded. Check it out, it interesting.

Quotes from official Vatican officials:

Vatican observatory director, Father Jose Funes, suggests alien life not only exists in the universe and is "our brother" but will, if discovered, confirm the "true" faith of Christianity and the dominion of Rome.

Monsignor Corrado Balducci - an Exorcist, theologian, member of the Vatican Curia and friend of the Pope, appearing on national television numerous times stated, "that ETs were not only possible, but were already interacting with earth and that the Vatican's leaders were aware of it." Father Malachi Martin has made similar claims.

Father Malachi Martin, Catholic theologian, "Because the mentality... amongst those who [are] at the... highest levels of Vatican administration and geopolitics, know... what's going on in space, and what's approaching us, could be of great import in the next five years, ten years." - Exo-Vaticana, Cris Putnam & Thomas Horn. Listen to what Father Martin says HERE!

Is this some soft disclosure maybe? The preceding is just a tiny fraction of what is coming out of the Vatican and has not been disputed. The Vatican has done an about face since Vatican II, why?

Is anyone aware of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) built by the European Council for Nuclear Research (CERN) near Geneva, Switzerland? A little research on 'why' the LHC was built on that exact spot is very interesting!

The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) could open a doorway to an extra dimension and out of this door might come something, or we might send something through it. - Sergio Bertolucci, director for research and scientific computing at CERN.

And what's with a large statue of Shiva (the destroyer god) pictured inside a gate / portal, that welcomes visitors to CERN's headquarters in Geneva? The well documented pagan ceremonies and dancing that has occurred at CERN?

Could what Jesus said in the following verse have anything to do with the preceding?

Luke 21:26 (KJV) Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth; for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

God Bless, and I look forward to your thoughts.

October 3, 2016

Some of the comments and questions on this thread seem to center on what is known as 'the age of accountability'.

That's a very interesting question and I can find no place in the Bible that directly answers that question. I have always 'assumed' babies and children that passed away before they were capable of understanding and accepting or rejecting the Gospel went to Heaven, by reason of innocence and understanding. From various scriptures this is the view I hold.

The attached link summarizes my view better than I can if you would like to review it HERE.

October 3, 2016

21 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Satan or demons causing nightmares is not Biblical.

Question: "What does the Bible say about nightmares?"

Answer: Nightmares are defined as dreams that produce a strong negative emotional response, such as fear or horror. Nightmare sufferers usually awake in a state of extreme distress, even to the point of a severe physical response—racing pulse, sweating, nausea—and they often are unable to go back to sleep for some time. The causes of nightmares are varied. Children, because of their active imaginations, are prone to nightmares, some so severe that they wake up screaming and crying. Extreme incidents of these are also referred to as “night terrors.” Eating certain foods too close to bedtime can trigger a nightmare, as can viewing scary movies. Going to bed distressed about life’s circumstances or after a fight or argument can also cause nightmares because of the brain’s continued activity during sleep.

There is no doubt that nightmares can be extremely disturbing, but is there any spiritual significance to nightmares? Dreams and visions are mentioned in the Bible, and God sometimes used the dream state to communicate with His prophets and others. God spoke to Abimelech in Genesis 20, warning him not to touch Abraham’s wife, Sarah. Other dreams include Jacob’s ladder (Genesis 28), Joseph’s dream that his brothers would serve him that led to his captivity in Egypt (Genesis 37), as well as his interpretation of Pharaoh's dreams (Genesis 40-41) that led to his being made the second most powerful man in Egypt. The Lord or His angel appeared to others in the Bible, including Solomon (1 Kings 3), Nebuchadnezzar (Daniel 2), Joseph (Matthew 2), and Pilate’s wife (Matthew 27). None of these dreams, however, with the possible exception of Pilate’s wife’s dream, can really be called a nightmare. So it would appear that God does not usually speak to people through nightmares.

Some people think Satan or demons are infiltrating their minds during nightmares, but there is no passage in the Bible to directly substantiate this. With the possible exception of a dream Eliphaz claimed to have, there are no biblical incidents of demonic forces communicating with people during dreams or nightmares. Most likely, nightmares are nothing more than the brain’s way of contending with our fears and concerns as it continues to function during sleep cycles. If a Christian experiences continual, frequent nightmares that are interrupting sleep and causing emotional disturbance on a regular basis, perhaps medical help is in order. But, as in all things, prayer is our most potent weapon against any kind of emotional or spiritual distress. Praying for fifteen or twenty minutes prior to sleep is the most effective way to calm the mind and heart and prepare for restful sleep. As in all things, God grants wisdom to those who seek it from Him (James 1:5), and He has also promised His peace to all who seek it. “Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus” (Philippians 4:6–7).

https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-nightmares.html

This begs the question and I have to ask?

How many demons did Jesus and the Apostles cast out. I get the impression there was a boat load of them. Are you saying demonic possession doesn't occur in this modern day and age? How many demons were cast out of those whom believed in Christ?

Yes, no doubt many or most of these experiences are not of a demonic origin, but that's not to say it isn't common. We're living in an age where Satanic / demonic activity has drastically increased.

October 3, 2016

L.A. Marzulli has some pretty good YouTube videos on those subjects

Personally I have no experience on the subject. I personally believe demons are active attacking the believer and non believer alike any way they can. It's my belief and understanding a demon can not possess a person unless invited. And that invitation could be something as simple as playing a wegie board (sp)., attend an occult practice, invoking the dark side etc.

If you're a Christian having the Holy Spirit indwelling you, you can believe a demon has no chance entering you.

Like I said, LA Marzulli (and he is a Christian) has researched this subject and makes some interesting connections on night terrors and sleep paralysis.

October 3, 2016

I'll play and I won't cheat :-) It's just from the top of my head and I hope you grade me on the curve.

1. 66 books with over 40 authors.

2. The multitude (was it 3,000?)

3. Peter trice as the crow...

4. Humm, the 'Three Wise Men' maybe? It sure wasn't his brothers.

5. Have to look up name but, he gave Jesus his tomb.

6. I have this one on the tip of my fingertips... Was it Patmos?

7. The Apostle John. That was the easiest one.

8. That was fun!

October 2, 2016

First I'll say it's interesting and productive to search out God's Word. I'm not saying the following is going to occur, rather it a suspicion and conjecture on my part I see developing, as our eyes are becoming' opened. I believe the shut book of Daniel is becoming understandable in this day and age. Sorry to be long winded but there is no simple explanation of a suspicion I have.

Here is a strange scripture pertaining to Nimrod. In addition, would you suppose people back in Nimrod's time were so stupid and naive, they thought they could physically build a man made structure to reach heaven, or was there more to it? Ever notice all the 'high places' where the fallen angels landed, where God talked to Moses, where Noah's Arc landed etc. etc., exactly where Jesus stood when he stated:

Matthew 16:18 (KJV) And I say also unto thee, that thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. {emphasis mine}

Jesus was standing next to a cave at Mt. Baal (Hermon) that was known to be a portal / gate to hell. The Bible reveals many (portals / gates) and the majority of them are on high places. Did Nimrod build the Tower of Babel as a supernatural gate to reach into heaven? Think about what God said about what these 'people' could do if not stopped.

Genesis 10:8 (KJV) And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth. {emphasis mine}.

Strong's 2470 he began (chalah) to be weak, sick, afflicted.

Strong's 1368 (Gibbor) Giant man, mighty man.

Example: I wasn't born with diabetes, I didn't live with diabetes, I 'became' diabetic when a switch was turned on. I suspect many of the things hidden in our DNA code, in which geneticist's consider junk DNA have a purpose beyond our imagination.

So Genesis 10:8 might be translated better in our language as, “And Cush begat Nimrod: he got sick, weak and afflicted with something, then he became a giant [Nephilim] in the earth? Is that such a stretch?

Trans-humanism: The so called advances in nanotechnology, DNA tampering, Chimera experiments, three parent DNA children, mice with human ears, pigs with human blood, robotics, artificial intelligence (AI), on and on… These are only what have been reported, there's no doubt they are well beyond what is currently moral, legal, safe, reported, known and what is acceptable to God.

Keep in mind what all this is for; to drastically increase our life spans, rid us of disease, make us better humans and more like God, and a better tool for 'war' and 'space exploration'. In effect, they are stating, “God, you didn't make us good enough, we can do better.”

Revelation 19:19 (KJV) And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

What arrogance, to even think you have a chance of beating the Lord almighty with our primitive little missiles, tanks, human troops, drones, fighters and even chemical and nuclear weapons. What folly, idiocy and arrogance is this? Unless…

This army is comprised with Satan himself, fallen ones, an army of Nephilim and evil spirit beings along side human beings, if in fact they are still human.

Revelation 16:2 (KJV) And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshiped his image. {emphasis mine}.

Suppose this implanted micro chip or whatever it is; a human / evil spiritual technology, along with the requirement you must have for identification purposes, legal reasons, employment and the ability to buy and sell in the world system… What if this new inspired technology promised longer life spans and acted as an inoculation / immunization against many or all diseases [as in the days of Noe]? Look at the people now that get an annual flue shots and vaccinations, they are mandatory to go to schools, travel to other countries, etc. I can envision a stampede of people lining up and begging for this technology of a disease free extended life.

Now let's further envision by design or accident that; this implant (or whatever it may be) acts on our DNA (all the junk DNA geneticists have no idea what it is or what its purpose) and as in the diabetes example, 'we became' giants [Nephilim]. Could God have shut off the Nephilim DNA code all humans may have and it gets activated and 'we become'? Or could it restructure our DNA to 'become'?

This is something that is technologically feasible in this day and age, much less with additional help of the fallen angelic host or the Man of Perdition.

Based on the descriptions in Revelation, it makes much more sense the battle of Armageddon will be fought by humans that had become [gibbor, giants, Nephilim], the indwell-ed Man of Perdition, all the fallen ones and Satan himself.

How could a multitude of mere human being be so stupid and arrogant to challenge the Lord Almighty in a war?

Like I said, this is pure conjecture on my part but, based on scripture and the current technology right before our eyes, I don't believe it's beyond the realm of possibility.

Your research, eschatology and thoughts?

October 1, 2016

Genesis 3:15 (KJV) And I will put enmity [hatred - hostility] between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. {emphasis mine}

There is so many interpretations of this scripture it boggles the mind! But, it is most definitely a 'seed' war. Without going into a long complex explanation of my view, I'll just say in my opinion, it relates to Gen 6:, and contaminating the future blood line of Christ. Satan did [and is doing] everything in his power to prevent the coming of the messiah [1st & 2nd], including exterminating and contaminating God's chosen people the Jews.

To me, when you take Genesis 6: literally, and the sons of God are fallen angels [the Watchers], and the half human half angelic offspring hybrids are the giants [nephilim]... Scripture and prophesy make much more sense and fall into place.

Jesus could have pointed to any point in history when he prophesied, as in the days of Noe. I think about the TWO major things that distinctly separate the 'Days of Noah' from any other time in history.

1. The life spans of humans.

2. The Nephilim [fallen ones] or giants.

Again, without going into specific detail... Remember when Joshua and Caleb were commanded by God to go into certain cities / areas occupied by the Nephilim [giants], and God instructed them to kill every man, woman, child and animal? Today we would call that genocide. God showed them no Grace or mercy. I can find no other place in the Bible that shows no forgiveness, chance of repentance or mercy, OTHER than in Revelation, those whom accept the mark of the beast. Interesting to think about and consider.

October 1, 2016

On 9/21/2016 at 11:17 AM, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

I've seen photographs of some of the giants found in many diverse lands. I believe much of the information about the offspring of the Nephilim is being suppressed, maybe in an attempt to discredit the accuracy of the Bible.

And possibly the Darwinian paradigm.

September 30, 2016

4 hours ago, GoodFruit said:

I personally believe that a lot of the natural disasters we encounter in America are a direct result of our interference with Israel and the "land for peace" and "two-state solution" our leaders are always promoting. There certainly is proven evidence of some of our worst hurricanes taking place around the time we were messing in Israel's affairs. I have heard some people say that they believe when (not if) America's politicians are successful in dividing the land of Israel, that our country is going to be split in half by an earthquake. Not unreasonable to think considering the rash of odd earthquakes all over the nation we have been experiencing the past couple of years. It's only a matter of time. But that could be wrong. Not saying I think this for sure but it is a plausible thought. One of those things that makes you go "hmmmm."

Absolutely. I can't remember the exact events that took place, it may have had something to do with Israel, but they were biggies and within three days of those events we had Katrina, Washington D.C. shake from an earthquake, New York City and other places flooded and hammered by a hurricane. I'm sure there are many more I can't recall at the moment. I just recall the timing of these events occurred exceptionally close to something the government passed or did that was against God's Word. If I recall correctly, I think New Orleans held some sort of official abomination or something a day or two before Katrina hit?

It's sad the deception the secular / atheist world is putting forth that all this weather phenomenon is caused by global warming. They are correct on one aspect though, things are heating up and are going to get hotter.

September 30, 2016

3 hours ago, GoodFruit said:

Another power shift that is happening on the same day which isn't money related but still troubling is that the UN takes control of the internet.

When the 2nd Amendment is rescinded and the Internet is restricted / controlled... You know where we're headed.

September 30, 2016

14 hours ago, GoodFruit said:

Hi Dennis, good to see someone here who pays attention to what's happening in the world and has a keen perception of it all. Not saying that others here don't have a clue, just doesn't seem to be a well spoken of topic. I'm always reading between the lines and paying attention to the players on the world stage. I don't pay much attention to the fantasy of the main stream media, but keep up on real world events through other avenues.

It simply fascinates me the biblical implications and prophecies that are coming together at lightning speed.

In my opinion I personally believe that the only thing holding America together at this point (other than the grace of God) is the true Jews that are still in our nation. I have been watching the progress of the mass migration of Jews to their homeland as prophesied (aliyah) and many, many nations have seen a mass exodus of Jews thus far, with the exception of America. I think God is holding back His judgment on our nation to protect His people until it's time for them to go home to Israel. I believe they are the key and when the anti-Semitism in our country starts kicking into full gear and driving the Jewish people to Israel is when we really need to be prepared for things to come crashing down.

Hello GoodFruit!

I only have a basic understanding of our very complex global financial system but it can be broken down to the things that apply to me, the things I need to know, and scriptures dishonest weights and measures.

Indeed, I don't follow the biased liberal main stream media like the Communist News Network (CNN) either. It drives me nuts when the wife has CNN on watching the presidential debate and political stuff, Fox News is not much better either. I try to get the majority of my world news from Matt Drudge, and mostly Christian websites. Not to say I don't watch the local major news channels for the opinion shaping commentary instead of non bias reporting of facts.

Yes, isn't it amazing all these things coming together in our life times, it's almost as if the Book of Daniel is being un-shut up (opened) :-) We're living in exciting times!

My opinion is like yours, I'm of the opinion God is with holding His full national wrath on America because of our historical national support for Israel and the Jews. Now with the past few presidents and government trying to divide the land God covenanted to Abraham, and divide it into two nation states, I don't think God is very pleased. I'm guessing another part of His long suffering, delaying His wrath on America is our restraining Christians and churches maybe. But that's just conjecture on my part.

Among other things, other dangers we face is the replacement theology and "works / giving" theology that seems to be sweeping through our churches. The church 'has not' replaced Israel because the Jew's rejected Christ. The Lord is not finished with Israel as is clearly outlined throughout scripture and in my opinion, is the sole purpose for the tribulation.

We know the Lord judges nations independently also. It looking to me like God is (or has) turned His face away from America and allowing us to turn into a heathen pagan nation. I won't mention all the particulars but, look at all the laws passed legalizing what are abominations to God, calling good evil and evil good. I'm getting worked up on the direction our nation is taking so I better get off my soapbox before I start ranting :-)

God Bless,

Dennis

September 30, 2016

On 8/6/2015 at 1:53 PM, missmuffet said:

Enoch and Elijah.God took them to heaven without dying.This would prepare them for a special purpose.

That's what I have always assumed also. All men are appointed to die, then the judgement to paraphrase. Both Enoch and Elijah were 'caught up' and did not experience physical death that I'm aware of. But in my mind it raises some questions... Whom was Jesus talking to at the transfiguration and about what? What 'powers' do each of the Two Witnesses have? A strong case can be made that Moses is one of the witnesses? I don't know, just throwing out something to consider.

13 hours ago, angels4u said:

I believe the witnesses will be "Enoch and Elisha too

What would the people of the world think when they see the witnesses ? Remember the Bible said they will hate them and try to kill them and will kill them and celebration becay=use they are dead but the...they will come to life again !

It will cause so much confusion..

Revelation 11New International Version (NIV)

The Two Witnesses

11 I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers. 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. 3 And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” 4 They are “the two olive trees” and the two lampstands, and “they stand before the Lord of the earth.”[a] 5 If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. 6 They have power to shut up the heavens so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.

7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified. 9 For three and a half days some from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. 10 The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.

11 But after the three and a half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. 12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud,while their enemies looked on.

I misspoke, instead of saying "that's what I always assumed also" I should have stated, "that's what I lean heavily towards".

I've heard and read a number respected scholars opinions (and by no means does that make them right) that present a pretty good case Elijah & Moses could be the two witnesses. Based on Rev 11:6, Elijah having the powers to shut the heavens (drought), and Moses with plagues and turning water to blood. Jesus talking to Moses and Elijah at the transfiguration, and Satan contending for the body of Moses, etc. Then again, it wouldn't make scriptural sense for Moses to physically die twice, and Enoch and Elijah the only two prophets being "caught up" and not experiencing physical death.

I haven't owned a cell phone for years, last plan I had I probably used :30 minutes of air time in the two years. I'm basically ancient technology wise according to my kids. My daughter and I recently went together on a cell phone plan because the rates are cheaper and we got iPhones. WOW, what technology and the things you can do with those things! Now they even came out with wrist watches that do everything, reminding me of the Dick Tracey cartoons I watched as a kid.! Why did I bring this cell phone thing up?

Rev 11:9 To paraphrase, scripture basically says the whole world shall see their dead bodies for three days. As a kid, much less previous generations, that's a leap of imagination on how that would occur, and I couldn't fathom how this was possible. Surprise, we're here!

God Bless

September 30, 2016

15 hours ago, angels4u said:

Could the psalm 83 war have started in 1967? From my perspective, looking at it that way quite possibly but it has not concluded. Their land remains tiny, they're under threat and not living securely, and they're certainly not living without walls and gates.

Psalm 83: War

I'm hesitant to post this here as there are many people with very different hermeneutic and eschatological views of scripture. The following is not an attempt to start an eschatology war and argument, but rather share and discuss my end-time views in the last days in which I believe we are living. I'm not dogmatic on this view but it's my interpretation of scripture and the events and characters that are rapidly unfolding. This is pretty long so sorry...

Many good Christian scholars are divided on a prerequisite war before the Gog – Magog invasion, often referred to as “The Psalms 83 War”, prior to the Ezekiel 38-39: Gog / Magog invasion and ultimately the final war, Armageddon. Further, the scholastic camp that believes the “Prerequisite War” will occur are divided on when, before or after the harpazo (rapture of the church). Nevertheless, the timing apparently is very close either side of the harpazo [caught up – Rapture] in my view. I lean to this Psalm 83: war occurring before the harpazo [Rapture].

Based on my Biblical studies, trusted scholars opinions and world events shaping up, I'm of the opinion an Israeli war must occur as a precondition to the Gog / Magog invasion, to set up the conditions outlined in Ezekiel 38 & 39. Here's my reasoning:

Israel's boarders are surrounded by nations that want nothing less than to “wipe Israel off the map” and drive them into the sea. It's a mistake to represent Israel's surrounding enemies as “Arabs”, they are Muslim's. They constantly advocate driving Israel into the sea and erasing them as a nation. This fact is beyond dispute.

It is conspicuous Israel's immediate surrounding neighbors and peoples (Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan surrounding Israel and the Hezbollah, Palestinian refugee camps, etc., bitter enemies of Israel, are not associated with the Gog / Magog (outer ring of nations ONLY) invasion in scripture? Where are they? What happened? Why are they not involved? Perhaps they were previously defeated prior to the Magog invasion?

If you subscribe to the later day “two war theory”, it appears the two wars have separate objectives and goals and could occur any day now. With Russia and China currently propping up the Syrian regime in increasing numbers and war equipment, ports and bases, under the pretense of fighting ISIS, things are getting interesting indeed.

The Prerequisite War [inner ring of nations] “to wipe Israel off the map and into the sea”, and the Gog / Magog war [outer ring of nations] “to take a spoil and plunder”. Ezekiel 38:11 describes Israel living safely in unwalled villages and no gates prior to the Gog / Magog invasion. That certainly is not the case today with their 400+ mile high security fence / wall and surrounded by hostile nations bent on their destruction. When are they not being attacked by the Muslims? Even when Israel conquers the 'inner ring' of hostile nations they wouldn't be able to live securely. As Persia [Iran] and Assyria / Assur [Syria] would still be a threat.

I would postulate based on my eschatology that the Israeli Defense Force [IDF] will make a preemptive nuclear strike on Iran [Persia] to disable its nuclear program building nuclear weapons. Perhaps this is also when Damascus, Syria becomes an uninhabitable heap of ruin? In the Gog / Magog invasion in Ezekiel 38:13 Sheba [Yemen] and Dedan [Saudi Arabia] are not participants but spectators. I wonder why?

The recent discoveries of an abundance of oil and natural gas in and around Israel is very interesting, as well as their technological advances and abundant natural resources on a tiny piece of land. I believe as a result of Israel's victory over the 'inner ring' of nations, Israel will expand its borders to that of what the Lord promised Abraham, or very close to it. That would also help explain why Gog / Magog has a hook in their jaw to draw them and their allies to take a spoil. Israel will then have and control vast natural resources and will not be on guard.

It would appear a prerequisite war victory for Israel of her surrounding 'inner ring' enemies, would set the stage and conditions described in Ezekiel to preclude the end-times final assault on Israel. Although one has to be cautious and not dogmatic in his hermeneutics when scripture is not crystal clear on the subject. But the more that transpires and unfolds, the more the picture become clearer.

Daniel 12:4 (KJV) But thou O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal thee book, even to the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

The mystery's of the Bible that have been hidden from us have become understandable in our generation, our eyes are being opened. What previous generation could even have imagined watching world events unfold immediately in real time via iphone, computer, TV, etc. [the killing of the two witnesses and laying dead for three days]. Human tongues being instantly consumed before the body even drops to the ground [nuclear explosion], etc. etc.

As a Christian and American living in the purported worlds only superpower, its only natural to ask, where is America in all of this? You would think as the worlds superpower the United States would be mentioned in the end-time prophesy? But the Bible is pretty much silent on that question and involves a lot of unsupported speculation.

Much speculation and commentary has been given on this and we can only guess with little scriptural support. [Ezekiel 39: 6 And I will send a fire on Magog , and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles; and they shall know that I am the Lord]. Is the isles described maybe the United States? It is a conjecture / suspicion among many scholars, this could be the United States. If so, perhaps it's something a kin to the 60's Cuba missile crisis and something goes terribly wrong? Perhaps our nation has collapsed due to natural disasters, multiple terrorist strikes, an electromagnetic pulse (EMP), an economic collapse, civil war, a combination of disasters, only the Lord knows. But evidently the US. is inconsequential in the end-times?

To paraphrase a quote from a great Christian evangelist Billy Graham, “if God doesn't judge the United States, he owes an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah”.

One thing is certain though, we have religiously and morally abandoned God as a nation, and delved into the depths of sin, depravity and legalized abominations to our Lord. Calling and legalized good evil, and evil good. I believe our long suffering Lord God has withheld our overdue judgment perhaps because of our historical support for HIS chosen people Israel.

And now we are abandoning Israel and trying to divide the land God covenanted to Israel.

The following order of events is postulated by Dr. Charles Missler of past, present and future prophetic biblical events pertaining to Israel. The first four have been obviously prophetically fulfilled. Israel is God's TIME CLOCK!

ORDER of EVENTS

1. Israel regathered in the land. Ez 37:12, Isa 11: 11, 12, Due 30: 3-5

2. Ancient cities rebuilt and inhabited. Ez 36: 1-5, 8-10

3. Israel meets Muslim / Arab resistance. Jer 49: 16, Zep 2:8, Ez 25: 12, 32: 5, Oba 1: 10

4. Israel establishes an Army for defense. Ez 36: 6&7, 38: 8

5. The adjacent Muslim nations confederate themselves. Ps 83: 1-8. The Palestinians in the tent camps [Ammon, Edom, Philistia] are “pawns” for political reasons. There's an overwhelming amount of room to absorb them in surrounding Muslim nations.

6. This confederacy is committed to the destruction of Israel. Ps 83: 1-5, 12

7. War starts between this confederacy and Israel. Jer 49: 2, 8, 19

8. Title regained “my people Israel”. Hos 1: 8-10, Rom 9: 25, 26, Ez 36: 8-12

9. Israel decisively defeats this confederacy. Oba 1: 9, 18, Ez 25: 13, 14, Jer 49: 10, 20, 21, 23-26, Isa 11: 12-14, 17: 1, 19: 16, 17

10. Israel has become “an exceedingly great Army”. Ez 37: 10, Jer 49: 21

11. Israel takes prisoners of war. Jer 48: 46, 47, 49: 3, 6, 11, Zep 2: 10, 11

12. The whole region is reshaped. Isa 17: 1, Jer 49: 2, 10, Zep 2: 4

13. Israel expands its borders back to the Abrahamic covenant. Oba 1: 19, Jer 49: 2, Isa 19: 18, 19

Then Israel dwells securely in the land, but it's not over yet! Because of the Ez 38: business yet to come. The invasion of Gog / Magog.

September 29, 2016

On 8/6/2015 at 1:53 PM, missmuffet said:

Enoch and Elijah.God took them to heaven without dying.This would prepare them for a special purpose.

That's what I have always assumed also. All men are appointed to die, then the judgement to paraphrase. Both Enoch and Elijah were 'caught up' and did not experience physical death that I'm aware of. But in my mind it raises some questions... Whom was Jesus talking to at the transfiguration and about what? What 'powers' do each of the Two Witnesses have? A strong case can be made that Moses is one of the witnesses? I don't know, just throwing out something to consider.

September 29, 2016