Heb 13:8

Ok, so you believe the seals are non-chronological I believe the rapture is pre-trib, 1 Thess 4:17, Rev 4-5, Rev 12:5. I don't believe the sixth seal is at rapture, it's rather an event that the middle of the 70th week has begun.

Luk 21:36 Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”

Consider the word harpazo in 1 Thess 4:17, Rev 12:5. The child is caught up before Satan falls to earth.

? RM, Rachel and Joseph are dead. This has nothing to do with people that existed 2000 years ago. By doing this you are placing a 2000 year gap in between Rev 12:5 and Rev 12:6. That's false. If I remember correctly you are pre-trib, and Rev 12:5 harpazo confirms that belief so why you are fighting this is bizarre. A 2000 year gap is not biblical RM. 4 times, wow. i'm surprised you didn't make it 5 or 6 times, lol. Rev 12:1-5 has only come to pass once on 9/23/17. Everything lining up plus Jupiter in the womb for 42 weeks has only occurred once. I guess poo pooing on astronomy is the thing now. Blessed is the one who hears it and takes it to heart, Rev 1:3 That's right, so he uses the sun, moon and stars which everyone can see instead of people who are dead and buried? ? Rev 4-5 are describing the scene in heaven at rapture. The entire chapter of Rev 12 is describing the 70th week. You sound silly putting a 2000 year gap in between verses. Where is your faith RM? And I suppose you would the deny the blood moon tetrad falling on Jewish Holidays in 2014-15? It's all part of the secret code man, the aliens are here. To much HBO for you. ? Oh I see, so if God uses the stars to guide us closer to the rapture and the 70th week that's astrology? Really? Are you born again RM, are you covered under the blood of Christ? God bless.

Hello iam. I have a different interpretation if you will. Since John used the words "huios" and "teknon" to describe the child, the child therefore can only be the body of Christ being born through rapture, via John is connecting the head with the body Col 1:18. The word "teknon" is never used to describe Jesus Christ alone, it's always used in the context of either the body of Christ or a believer himself. Rev 12:1-5 is not using singular entities, rather it's describing corporate entities in the end times. Rev 12:6-17 is an entire description of the 70th week of Daniel. 1. Israel - The Woman 2. The Body of Christ - The Child 3. The Anti-Christ System - The Dragon (Rev 13) God Bless.

Well, we should care about the constellations of the south, being that Jupiter was in the womb of Virgo (which is a constellation in the south) for 42 weeks with the moon at her feet and a crown of 12 stars at her head. Rev 12 has nothing to do with Gen 37. Rev 12:6-17 is a description of the future 70th week, and the sign on 9/23/17 proves it. The twelve stars that were in constellation Leo represent either the twelve tribes of Israel or the twelve apostles. And God doesn't need your permission to use His creation the way He wants in order to fulfill prophecy. Job 38:32 Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons or lead out the Bear with its cubs? says the one who believes the book of revelation takes place in Genesis? i guess some won't take it to heart. ? Rev 1:1-3 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near. And I suppose the scriptures below are metaphors also? Wake up! ? Gen 1:14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, Mat 16:3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times? Luk 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven. Luke 21:25 "There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea.

Right, enough wisdom to know that Job is the Word of God?

Well look at that, Virgo is a constellation in the southern hemisphere. ? Job 9:9 He is the Maker of the Bear and Orion, the Pleiades and the constellations of the south. Job 38:32 Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons or lead out the Bear with its cubs? mazzaroth: perhaps a constellation Original Word: מַזָּרוֹת Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: mazzaroth Phonetic Spelling: (maz-zaw-raw') Short Definition: constellation https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=GxBMW9uRNOGf_Qa7yqXwBw&q=what+are+the+constellations+in+the+southern+hemisphere&oq=what+are+the+constellations+of+the+south&gs_l=psy-ab.3.0.0i22i30k1.757.7416.0.8967.34.31.0.0.0.0.139.2800.20j9.29.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..5.29.2794.0..0j35i39k1j0i131k1j0i131i20i264k1j0i20i264k1.0.2S7HqDl6tK0 It's time to wake up RM.

Matt 24:29 is describing the end of the 70th week at His second coming. So if the 6th seal is also at the end of the 70th week (sun, moon, stars) as some might believe, the 7th seal has to be prior to that which makes the seals non-chronological? Or maybe just maybe, Joel 2:31 and Rev 6:12 are on a separate time line than Matt 24:29, one at the AofD and the other at His second coming. Could it be that "stars" in the sixth seal are fallen angels at the AofD, Rev 12:4, 9? Notice in Matt 24:29 that there is no mention of a blood moon... Joel 2:31 The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD. Matt 24:29 "Immediately after the distress of those days "'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.' Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=TdhCW8TZGOiI_QaT04HAAw&q=does+the+moon+give+off+light+during+blood+moons&oq=does+the+moon+give+off+light+during+blood+moons&gs_l=psy-ab.3...1137.14238.0.14424.48.47.0.0.0.0.127.3999.36j11.47.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..1.44.3702.0..0j35i39k1j0i131k1j0i131i20i264k1j0i20i264k1j0i3k1j0i22i30k1j33i160k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i21k1.0.720Kj6SKJFI - Heb

I'd be weary of listening to those who can't even separate astronomy from astrology..

And your "daily horoscope" is astrology from Satan, it has nothing to do with astronomy from God. Astrology worships self, astronomy worships God. We're not trying to figure out if the stars are telling you to find a girlfriend and chew bubble gum at the mall, rather we are studying the stars in relation to the rapture and the 70th week of Daniel. It all goes back to second grade when we learned about the solar system and who created the heavens. ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgo_(constellation) Virgo is one of the constellations of the zodiac. Its name is Latin for virgin, and its symbol is ♍. Lying between Leo to the west and Libra to the east, it is the second-largest constellation in the sky (after Hydra). It can be easily found through its brightest star, Spica. Job 9:9 He is the Maker of the Bear and Orion, the Pleiades and the constellations of the south. Job 38:32 Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons or lead out the Bear with its cubs? God bless

It's astronomy RM, in a world that's addicted to their cell phones and internet? RM, Jesus wasn't lifted up by force but rather in victory. The rapture will be by force to protect us from the 70th week and the Red Dragon which is the antichrist system in Rev 13. Ah yes, the greatest delusion the devil ever pulled was convincing people that astronomy is really astrology., or I guess I should say the lost art of "studying the stars", God for bid. I guess Gen 1:14 is false too. I suppose the birth of Christ will be similar to the birth of the church through rapture, all written in the stars. but who will believe such a fairytale. The Magi Visit the Messiah 2 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi[a] from the east came to Jerusalem 2 and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.” 3 When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him. 4 When he had called together all the people’s chief priests and teachers of the law, he asked them where the Messiah was to be born. 5 “In Bethlehem in Judea,” they replied, “for this is what the prophet has written: 6 “‘But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are by no means least among the rulers of Judah; for out of you will come a ruler who will shepherd my people Israel.’” 7 Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared. 8 He sent them to Bethlehem and said, “Go and search carefully for the child. As soon as you find him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him.” 9 After they had heard the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen when it rose went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was. 10 When they saw the star, they were overjoyed. 11 On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. 12 And having been warned in a dream not to go back to Herod, they returned to their country by another route.

2) Well, the saints come back at the end of the 70th week on white horses so... He's still on a time table upon rapture.

RM, you don't over think things if you understand the context. You're trying to fit two definitions into one, and you failed. Right, but teknon is referring to the male child or male son in the church, which is US, not Jesus Christ alone. No, Rev 12:1-5 is a sign that came to pass on 9/23/17. A "sign" tells us of things to come, which is the 70th week of Daniel in the rest of Rev 12. This sign has nothing to do with King Herod. This sign is describing corporate entities in the future, not singular. 1. Israel - Woman 2. Body of Christ - Child 3. Antichrist system - Red Dragon (Rev 13) Gen 1:14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years This is astronomy, not astrology. - God bless

Give an account of everything we did? That would take light years.

No, the Bema is for believers only. I'm referring to that.

Giving an account is just pointing out our flaws and sin. Wouldn't we just be apologizing and agreeing with Him incessantly...

Right, so why speak at the Bema if He already knows.

Do you think it's possible to give Jesus the silent treatment at the Bema?

Right, Matt 24 is describing the end of the 70th week at His second coming. So if the 6th seal is also at the end of the 70th week (sun moon stars), the 7th seal has to be prior to that which makes the seals non-chronological? Or maybe just maybe, these two passages are describing two different events, one at the AofD and the other at His second coming. Could it be that "stars" in the sixth seal are fallen angels at the AofD, Rev 12:4, 9? Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; Matt 24:29 "Immediately after the distress of those days "'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.' https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=TdhCW8TZGOiI_QaT04HAAw&q=does+the+moon+give+off+light+during+blood+moons&oq=does+the+moon+give+off+light+during+blood+moons&gs_l=psy-ab.3...1137.14238.0.14424.48.47.0.0.0.0.127.3999.36j11.47.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..1.44.3702.0..0j35i39k1j0i131k1j0i131i20i264k1j0i20i264k1j0i3k1j0i22i30k1j33i160k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i21k1.0.720Kj6SKJFI Your thoughts. - Heb

The alternative would be the sixth seal event is revealed at the mid point (AofD), and the wrath of trumpets and bowls is the latter 3.5 yr.

The 6th seal and Joel 2:31 are actually referring to the second coming at the end of the 70th week.

It looks to me that the Day of the Lord spans from rapture all the way to the New Earth... 1Co 5:5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord. 1 Thess 5:2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. Isa 13:9 See, the day of the LORD is coming —a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger— to make the land desolate and destroy the sinners within it. 2Th 2:2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. - Heb

RM, look at your definition of harpazo. Did Jesus have to be carried off by force or be obtained by robbery? No, He had already defeated the devil. Now look below. Isn't robbery and thief not synonymous? Isn't that what the rapture is gonna be like to the world?? 1 Thess 5:2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. Rev 3:3 Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; hold it fast, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. harpazó: to seize, catch up, snatch away Original Word: ἁρπάζω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: harpazó Phonetic Spelling: (har-pad'-zo) Short Definition: I seize, snatch, obtain by robbery Definition: I seize, snatch, obtain by robbery. Ok, then find one passage that shows "teknon" as Jesus Christ himself. I believe there's 99 references that have "teknon" describing either the church or believers in the church. I see John connecting the head with the body through first resurrection and rapture by using huios and teknon, Col 1:18. Ok, so first you say it's a prophecy from 2,000 years ago, then you say it's about future Israel in the wilderness. And I'm confused? Visions have meanings, and the entire chapter of Rev 12 is about the 70th week of Daniel from start to finish. The woman is Israel, the child being born is the body of Christ through rapture and the dragon is the antichrist system in Rev 13. The church was conceived at Pentecost 2000 years ago and is waiting to be born through first resurrection and rapture. Even Paul said he felt abnormally born in 1 Cor 15:8 because he hadn't received his resurrected body yet, and as we can see in Rev 2:26-27, Rev 12:5 the church is being mentioned here as ruling with Christ with an iron scepter. fulfilled, which is the end of the 70th week. Luke 21:20-28 is referring to the AofD all the way to the second coming.

I don't think be fruitful and multiply applies anymore, Noah did not have a choice.