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Hello Hazard. What are your thoughts on Rev 12:1-5 coming to pass on 9/23/17.

Right, and the word "harpazo" is in both 1 Thess 4:17 and Rev 12:5. The word "teknon" is for us, the church. It's time to wake up! Rev 3:3. 1 Thess 4:13-17 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up (harpazo) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Rev 12:1-5 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman (Israel) clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She (Israel) was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon (Satan) with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon (Satan) stood in front of the woman (Israel) who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child (teknon the church) the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne. The living and the dead meet together in the air and then to God's throne. Notice Rev 12:5 says "was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne." Meaning.. "to God (in the air) and to his throne (in heaven)". Also notice the word "and".. was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne. Scripture is clearly making a distinction between the air and the throne. 1 Thess 4:13-17 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up (harpazo) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Rev 12:1-5 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman (Israel) clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She (Israel) was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon (Satan) with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon (Satan) stood in front of the woman (Israel) who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child (teknon the church) the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne. The great multitude is the body of Christ raptured. Only in heaven will we be wearing white robes surrounded by angels upon angels.

Where do you think God's throne is in Rev 12:5? Rev 4:2-4 At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it. 3And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and ruby. A rainbow that shone like an emerald encircled the throne. 4Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads.Rev 4:9 Whenever the living creatures give glory, honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne and who lives for ever and ever, 10the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne and worship him who lives for ever and ever. They lay their crowns before the throne and say:Rev 5:13 Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying: “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!”Rev 7:9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. 10And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.” 11All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,Rev 12:5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne.Rev 19:1-5 After this I heard what sounded like the roar of a great multitude in heaven shouting: “Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God, 2for true and just are his judgments. He has condemned the great prostitute who corrupted the earth by her adulteries. He has avenged on her the blood of his servants.” 3And again they shouted: “Hallelujah! The smoke from her goes up for ever and ever.” 4The twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God, who was seated on the throne. And they cried: “Amen, Hallelujah!” 5Then a voice came from the throne, saying: “Praise our God, all you his servants, you who fear him, both great and small!”

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We go up to heaven, Satan comes down to earth. Rev 12:5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne. Rev 12:7-9 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. Well, not really. The Day of the Lord doesn't start at the 5th bowl. That is silly. The Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night to nonbelievers. The term "thief" is describing the rapture event. Also notice that 1 Thess 5:3 mentions a pregnant woman. Israel is five months pregnant right now with the body of Christ as we speak. Are you awake or asleep? Matt 24:40-43 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. 42“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 1 Thess 5:1-4 Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 4But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. Right, and His coming includes rapture which is the first event that kicks off the Day of the Lord. No, they are here for the first half of the 7 years. Many events happen in Rev 11:7-13. I don't think Jesus is going to allow these things when He lands on the Mt of Olives at the end of the 70th week. The time line fits better when their ministry ends at the abomination of desolation. Check out Steve's time line, it fits perfectly.. http://www.heavenlysign2017.com 1. The beast kills the two witnesses 2. The world refuses them burial, and they gloat over their bodies 3. 3.5 days later they're raptured to heaven 4. 7,000 people die in a severe earthquake. Question: If the 1-4 events occurs at the end of the 7 years, then why are the two witnesses being raptured to heaven at the same time Jesus and His army are both coming back down from heaven?

Darkness was actually one of the plagues of Egypt.. Exod 10:21-23 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Stretch out your hand toward the sky so that darkness spreads over Egypt—darkness that can be felt.” 22So Moses stretched out his hand toward the sky, and total darkness covered all Egypt for three days. 23No one could see anyone else or move about for three days. Yet all the Israelites had light in the places where they lived. I do believe there are levels of darkness and delusion inside the 70th week. If you think about it, people go from the shock of the rapture all the way to trumpet and bowl judgments which are the worst of judgments. Also, the word in Rev 16:10 is "darkened" not darkness. The darkness made the people’s pains feel much worse.. 4656 [e] eskotōmenē ἐσκοτωμένη, darkened; V-RPM/P-NFS skotoó: to darken Original Word: σκοτόω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: skotoó Phonetic Spelling: (skot-o'-o) Short Definition: I darken Definition: (lit. or met.) I darken. v10 The fifth (5th) *angel poured out the contents of his bowl on the *throne of the *beast. The place where he ruled as king became completely dark. And people bit their tongues because of their pain. Verse 10 The *throne of the *beast means all that he ruled. The whole of his *kingdom became dark. There was no light. The dark was completely black. The darkness made the people’s pains feel much worse. So, the people bit their tongues because of the pain. https://www.easyenglish.bible/bible-commentary/revelation-lbw.htm Also notice that the church is referred to as sons/children in Daniel 12:1. That's because Israel is our mother, and we are the sons/children of God... 1121 [e] bə-nê בְּנֵ֣י the children Noun ben: son Original Word: בֵּן Part of Speech: Noun Masculine Transliteration: ben Phonetic Spelling: (bane) Short Definition: sons

The Day of the Lord I believe is the 1290 + 1260 + 1335 days after rapture. Dan 12:1 is just a reflection of Rev 12:7. Believers go up to heaven and Satan comes down. Daniel describes who these people are, they are believers in Christ who's names are written in the book of life. "Will be delivered" is just another term for first resurrection and rapture. It's even proven in Dan 12:2.. Dan 12:1-2 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. Again, the restrainer has nothing to do with the war in heaven. The restraining takes place on earth. The restrainer and what is being restrained (darkness) takes place on earth. If believers weren't removed the antichrist wouldn't be able to accomplish his goals. The antichrist, the new world order and the third temple all take place on earth, 2 Thess 2:1-12, Rev 13. Notice this time of trouble is called "trouble for Jacob". Also notice the woman in labor connected to it. This September, Israel is giving birth to the body of Christ and being caught up to God's throne before Jacob's trouble begins. The term "trouble for Jacob" is referring to Israel.. Gen 32:28 Then the man said, "Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome." Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. Jer 30:6-7 Ask and see: Can a man bear children? Then why do I see every strong man with his hands on his stomach like a woman in labor, every face turned deathly pale? 7How awful that day will be! No other will be like it. It will be a time of trouble for Jacob, but he will be saved out of it. I would also like to point out that Isa 66:7-9 is referring to when Israel in one day became a nation on 5/15/48 (on Pentecost to be precise), but it could also be alluding to rapture and Daniel's 70th week of tribulation; the amazing reversal as some eschatologists put it. Birth then labor pains, rapture then tribulation. It's good to keep this in mind when referring back to 9/23/17. Isa 66:7-9 “Before she goes into labor, she gives birth; before the pains come upon her, she delivers a son. 8 Who has ever heard of such things? Who has ever seen things like this? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children. 9 Do I bring to the moment of birth and not give delivery?” says the LORD. “Do I close up the womb when I bring to delivery?” says your God.

I used to think Michael was the restrainer too. I used to be Pre-Wrath until I began studying the Rev 12 sign. I now see that Michael is not the restrainer, for his war is in heaven not on earth, Rev 12:7. The restrainer and what is being restrained (darkness) takes place on earth. The antichrist and the third temple all take place on earth, 2 Thess 2:1-12. Think of it this way, believers are the restrainer holding back darkness. Once the rapture occurs the lights are turned off, similar to how you turn your lights off in your house. The children of God are of the light and of the day, and the 70th week is 7 years of darkness. If the church entered into the 70th week, God would be in contradiction.. Scottie explains this well.. youtube / watch?v=amYGukr4sdM&t=10s Joel 2:1-2 Blow the trumpet in Zion; sound the alarm on my holy hill. Let all who live in the land tremble, for the day of the LORD is coming. It is close at hand— 2a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness. Like dawn spreading across the mountains a large and mighty army comes, such as never was in ancient times nor ever will be in ages to come. Amos 5:18 Woe to you who long for the day of the LORD! Why do you long for the day of the LORD? That day will be darkness, not light. Zep 1:15 That day will be a day of wrath— a day of distress and anguish, a day of trouble and ruin, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness— 1 Thess 5:5 You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. The dead and the living will be caught up together.. 1 Thess 4:16-17 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up (harpazo) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

Think of it this way, believers are the restrainer holding back darkness. Once the rapture occurs the lights are turned off, similar to how you turn your lights off in your house. Rev 7:9 is just another layer of Rev 4&5. The children of God are of the light and of the day, and the 70th week is 7 years of darkness. If the church entered into the 70th week, God would be in contradiction.. Joe 2:1-2 Blow the trumpet in Zion; sound the alarm on my holy hill. Let all who live in the land tremble, for the day of the LORD is coming. It is close at hand— 2a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness. Like dawn spreading across the mountains a large and mighty army comes, such as never was in ancient times nor ever will be in ages to come. Amos 5:18 Woe to you who long for the day of the LORD! Why do you long for the day of the LORD? That day will be darkness, not light. Zep 1:15 That day will be a day of wrath— a day of distress and anguish, a day of trouble and ruin, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness— 1 Thess 5:5 You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. God uses the Jewish calender to fulfill His Feast days. Feast of Trumpets just happens to land around that time, I believe on 9/21/17. I see you're waking up. Good work brother. 1. The church must be born in the end times, to live in Heaven. (corruptible to incorruptible) 1 Cor 15:50, 1 Cor 15:51-54 2. Life begins at conception, not birth. Why do you think God hates abortion so much. Matt 1:18-20, Luke 1:35 John is the one that used both "hiuos" and "teknon", not me. Listen carefully to what I'm saying here. There aren't two children being born. Rather, John is connecting the head with the body by using "huios" and "teknon". The head of the church is (Jesus Christ), and the body is us (born again believers). The head (Jesus Christ) was born into incorruptible seed 2,000 years ago when He ascended into heaven. Now it's the body's turn to be born into incorruptible seed, which is rapture. Read 1 Cor 15:50-54! The body must be connected with the head. Every time someone gets saved they get put into the body of Christ. For 2,000 years the baby has been getting bigger and bigger and bigger. This is called the "gestation period". Sooner or later the baby must be born and must come out of the womb. The child will be birthed in September. You must have spiritual eyes and ears to understand this. Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. If you study the birth of the church you will see Virgo giving birth to Jupiter in September of 2017. Jupiter is the king planet which represents Christ and also the body (the church) that is in Christ. When you become saved the Holy Spirit indwells you, and you become one with the body of Christ. God is using a birthing metaphor to describe the conception of the church 2,000 years ago, and He is also using a birthing metaphor in the end times by using the sun, moon, stars and planets. The conception of the church began at Pentecost 2,000 years ago and has been in gestation for 2,000 years up until now. Jesus Christ is the head of the church, and born again Christians are the body. The head came out of the womb when Jesus was resurrected and ascended to heaven 2,000 years ago. When you study a natural birth of a baby being born the head comes out first, then the body. The body of Jesus Christ which is the church (Jupiter) entered Virgo's womb in November of 2016 and is in a gestation period right now. The church will be birthed in September of 2017 which will be 42 weeks in the womb (a normal gestation period for a natural birth). Just study the word "teknon". It's a corporate word. The church is also described as male.. 1 Thess 5:5 for you are all sons (huios) of light and sons (huios) of day. We are not of night nor of darkness; If Rev 12:1-5 were pointing to the birth of Christ 2,000 years ago it would read like this.. Rev 12:1-5 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman (Mary) clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She (Mary) was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon (Herod) with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon (Herod) stood in front of the woman (Mary) who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child (huios Jesus Christ himself) the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (huios Jesus Christ himself) was lifted up (epairó) to God and to his throne. But it doesn't, rather it reads like this.. Rev 12:1-5 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman (Israel) clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She (Israel) was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon (Satan) with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon (Satan) stood in front of the woman (Israel) who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child (teknon the church) the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne. Also, Jesus lived for 33 years before ascending to heaven. Rev 12:5 has the child being snatched up to God's throne right away. Isa 26:17-21 As a pregnant woman about to give birth writhes and cries out in her pain, so were we in your presence, Lord. 18We were with child, we writhed in labor, but we gave birth to wind. We have not brought salvation to the earth, and the people of the world have not come to life. 19But your dead will live, Lord; their bodies will rise— let those who dwell in the dust wake up and shout for joy— your dew is like the dew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead. 20Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by. 21See, the Lord is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of the earth for their sins. The earth will disclose the blood shed on it; the earth will conceal its slain no longer. A Side Note: I do believe epairó and harpazo have two different meanings and exegesis. Jesus wasn't caught up, He was lifted (raised) up because at that point He had defeated the devil. He didn't need to be obtained by robbery because He won. The church however does need to be obtained by robbery, because of the red dragon. We need Jesus help. epairó 1. to be lifted up, not a rescue 2. Jesus ascended slowly in victory from the devil harpazo 1. to be snatched away, rescued 2. The church will be snatched away quickly, from red dragon epairó: to lift up Original Word: ἐπαίρω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: epairó Phonetic Spelling: (ep-ahee'-ro) Short Definition: I raise, lift up Definition: I raise, lift up. harpazó: to seize, catch up, snatch away Original Word: ἁρπάζω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: harpazó Phonetic Spelling: (har-pad'-zo) Short Definition: I seize, snatch, obtain by robbery Definition: I seize, snatch, obtain by robbery.

1. No, the church was conceived in the first century. Life begins at conception, not birth 2. Even Paul felt prematurely born, 1 Cor 15:8 3. The church will be born in the end times (through rapture), for it has been in gestation for 2,000 years 4. Rev 12:1-5 sign only occurs once on Stellarium, this is yet future and is coming to pass on 9/23/17. 5. Rev 12:1-5 sign only occurs once in 7,000 years. 6. Rev 12:1-5 sign is referring to corporate entities (Israel/antichrist system/body of Christ), not singular. 7. Notice the word "teknon" in Rev 12:4-5. This is a corporate word. Rev 12:1-5 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman (Israel) clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She (Israel) was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon (Satan) with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon (Satan) stood in front of the woman (Israel) who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child (teknon the church) the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne. The church has many titles, I think it has over like 30 titles. For example, your boss at work is called a CEO, father, son, brother etc..your boss is not your father at work, he's your CEO, context is key. Rev 2:26-27 is in reference to the church ruling with Christ. The letters to the 7 churches... notice John is using the words "huios" and also "teknon" to connect the head with the body through rapture. If this was simply about Jesus, John would of used "huios" in all three places... Rev 12:4-5 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon (Satan) stood in front of the woman (Israel) who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child (teknon the church) the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne. 1 Thess 5:5 for you are all sons (huios) of light and sons (huios) of day. We are not of night nor of darkness; "Teknon" the child, is us (the body of Christ.) Notice how teknon is used twice in verse 4 AND 5. God is rescuing us from the red dragon through rapture! Rev 12:1-5 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman (Israel) clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She (Israel) was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon (Satan) with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon (Satan) stood in front of the woman (Israel) who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child (teknon the church) the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne. Yup, and Rev 12:1-5 is in the Word of God, thus it's astronomy.

almost positive? what's on your mind Spock. Thank you so much. Well, the book of Daniel and Revelation both use symbolism to get its point across. I do see the woman as Israel, as the twelve crowns above her head (Rev 12:1-2) represent the twelves tribes. Israel is our mother in the sense that she gave birth to Christianity (the body of Christ) 2000 years ago by putting Jesus to death. Even though God gave Israel a certificate of divorce, God will also bring the Jews back into their land after she gives birth in September.. Isa 50:1 This is what the LORD says: “Where is your mother's certificate of divorce with which I sent her away? Or to which of my creditors did I sell you? Because of your sins you were sold; because of your transgressions your mother was sent away. Jer 3:8 I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce and sent her away because of all her adulteries. Yet I saw that her unfaithful sister Judah had no fear; she also went out and committed adultery. Micah 5:2-3 "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times." 3Therefore Israel will be abandoned until the time when she who is in labor bears a son, and the rest of his brothers return to join the Israelites. The red dragon is actually two fold, representing an actual planet coming towards our solar system and the antichrist system and new world order. The red dragon actually goes after the body of Christ first in Rev 12:4 and then the Jews in Rev 12:13. The woman (Israel) is giving birth to Jupiter (the body of Christ) in September. The child being born is us, believers in Christ and also the dead in Christ. Rev 12:1-5 is a rapture sign first and foremost. The word "harpazo" is in both 1 Thess 4:17 and Rev 12:5, both rapture verses. The birth in September is connecting the head (Jesus Christ) with the body (the church) through rapture. As the head was born into incorruptible seed by ascending to heaven 2,000 years ago, now it's the body's turn 1 Cor 15:50-54. No, this date is pointing to rapture, the Day of the Lord and the 70th week of Daniel. Satan's reign is not over yet. Notice the connection between the Day of the Lord and a woman in labor. Israel is giving birth this September... Isa 13:6-8 Wail, for the day of the Lord is near; it will come like destruction from the Almighty. 7Because of this, all hands will go limp, every heart will melt with fear. 8Terror will seize them, pain and anguish will grip them; they will writhe like a woman in labor. They will look aghast at each other, their faces aflame. Isa 26:17-21 As a pregnant woman about to give birth writhes and cries out in her pain, so were we in your presence, Lord. 18We were with child, we writhed in labor, but we gave birth to wind. We have not brought salvation to the earth, and the people of the world have not come to life. 19But your dead will live, Lord; their bodies will rise— let those who dwell in the dust wake up and shout for joy— your dew is like the dew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead. 20Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by. 21See, the Lord is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of the earth for their sins. The earth will disclose the blood shed on it; the earth will conceal its slain no longer. Jer 30:6-7 Ask and see: Can a man bear children? Then why do I see every strong man with his hands on his stomach like a woman in labor, every face turned deathly pale? 7How awful that day will be! No other will be like it. It will be a time of trouble for Jacob, but he will be saved out of it. 1 Thess 5:1-3 Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. Notice the word "harpazo" in Rev 12:5 when the woman gives birth. This is a rapture word. The child is caught up to God's throne right away. There will be no peace in the land until Jesus lands on the Mt of Olives at His second coming Zech 14:4. The Rev 12:1-5 sign is pointing to the rapture, the Day of the Lord and the 70th week of Daniel.. http://www.heavenlysign2017.com Everything will occur. Actually, Jesus says that He comes like a thief to nonbelievers Matt 24:38-39, Rev 3:3.

Well, I do believe the 7 year period begins on 10/20/17, 30 days after rapture. Dan 12:11 kicks off the 1290 days with a gap in between rapture and the start of the 7 years. Check out Steve's timeline here.. http://www.heavenlysign2017.com/ The Rev 12:1-5 sign is just that, a sign. All it does is point to what just occurred (rapture) and what is about to occur (the 70th week). Well, the word for rapture (harpazo) is a part of this sign. This word is found in 1 Thess 4:17 and Rev 12:5. 1. Israel is giving birth to the body of Christ this September 2. Virgo is Israel and Jupiter is the body of Christ 3. The word "teknon" represents the body of Christ in both Rev 12:4&5 4. John is connecting the head with the body through rapture by using the words "huios", "teknon" and "harpazo" in Rev 12:5 5. Jesus Christ is the head, and the church is the body Col 1:18 6. The head was born 2,000 years ago when Christ ascended to heaven 7. Now the body must be born into incorruptible seed through rapture 1 Cor 15:50-54 1 Thess 4:13-17 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up (harpazo) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Rev 12:1-5 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman (Israel) clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She (Israel) was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon (Satan) with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon (Satan) stood in front of the woman (Israel) who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child (teknon the church) the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne. When inserting a timeline, it's important to use the 1260, 1290, 1335 days in the book of Daniel and Revelation. Notice the child is caught up right away, right after the child is born. The church will also rule and reign with Christ with an iron scepter.. Rev 2:26-27 To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— 27that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery’ —just as I have received authority from my Father. Rev 12:5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne. Rev 22:5 There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever. I do believe it will be after rapture though, when the chaos begins. Nothing like, millions of people vanishing from the planet and a good cup of coffee to kick start your day, to start looking for that false peace amidst the chaos. That's why it's important to get saved NOW. So you don't believe in the delusion that's coming (aliens etc..). There's also a difference between family members and friends dying vs disappearing forever on a global scale. In Rev 12:1-5 the woman is Israel, the enormous red dragon is the antichrist system, and the child is the body of Christ (the church), three corporal entities. If you go to Rev 12:3 it says, "another sign appeared in heaven". This is what is called "Planet X or Nibiru", which Google and NASA are covering up, even though Planet X can be shown on infrared. 2 Thess 2:9-12 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. Rev 13:3-4 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. 4People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?”

Yes

If it doesn't occur then I'll just go back to the drawing board and go deeper into the Word. At this point in prophecy, I rather be awake and wrong, then asleep and right.

Keep in mind that, when we place rapture (the year of overcoming the enemy and complete victory) on 9/21/17, the abomination of desolation will then land on Passover on 4/2/21 when the great tribulation begins (the year of the great wickedness of rebellion and sin) and the second coming of Christ will also land on the Day of Atonement on 9/13/24 (the year and millennium of priesthood). overcoming the enemy and complete victory - Dan 12:11 & Rom 12:1 sacrifice, 1 Thess 4:17, 1 John 5:4-5, Rev 2:26-27, Rev 12:5 bondage - Isa 66:7-9 Jews, Rom 7:1-6 & Rom 8:18-21 & Gal 4:1-7 for the left behind judgment - Isa 26:21, 1 Thess 5:1-3, 2 Pet 2:9, Rev 6, Rev 14:7 waiting period - 2 Thess 2:4-6 the great wickedness of rebellion and sin - Isa 26:21, Dan 8&11, Matt 24:15-21, 2 Thess 2, Rev 8-18 disorder and chaos - Isa 26:21, Dan 8&11, Matt 24:15-21, 2 Thess 2, Rev 8-18 judge - Heb 10:30, Rev 6:10 priesthood - Rom 15:14-16, Rev 15:1-2, Rev 20:4-6 grace upon grace Isa 11, Rev 20:4-6 2017 - In the Bible the number 17 symbolizes "overcoming the enemy" and "complete victory" 2018 - In the Bible the number 18 symbolizes "bondage" 2019 - In the Bible the number 19 symbolizes "judgment" 2020 - In the Bible the number 20 symbolizes "waiting period" 2021 - In the Bible the number 21 symbolizes "the great wickedness of rebellion and sin" 2022 - In the Bible the number 22 symbolizes "disorder and chaos" 2023 - In the Bible the number 23 symbolizes "judge" 2024 - In the Bible the number 24 symbolizes "priesthood" 2025 - In the Bible the number 25 symbolizes "grace upon grace" 17 - http://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/17.html 18 - http://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/18.html 19 - http://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/19.html 20 - http://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/19.html 21 - http://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/21.html 22 - http://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/22.html 23 - http://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/hidden-numbers.html 24 - http://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/24.html 25 - http://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/25.html

Matt 24:19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! Matt 24:21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. Matt 24:22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. Matt 24:29 "Immediately after the distress of those days "'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'

Then I guess God is an astrologist since He created them. Do you worship Satan or the Word of God? Rev 12:1-5 is in the Word.

That's right it is, if you worship Satan. Believers in Christ however, worship Jesus Christ. Big difference RM.

Is being born into incorruptible seed through rapture not from heaven? Matt 21:24-27 Jesus replied, “I will also ask you one question. If you answer me, I will tell you by what authority I am doing these things. 25John’s baptism—where did it come from? Was it from heaven, or of human origin?” They discussed it among themselves and said, “If we say, ‘From heaven,’ he will ask, ‘Then why didn’t you believe him?’ 26But if we say, ‘Of human origin’—we are afraid of the people, for they all hold that John was a prophet.” 27So they answered Jesus, “We don’t know.” Then he said, “Neither will I tell you by what authority I am doing these things.

And who created Virgo the constellation, Venus and Jupiter? God or Satan? I guess it all depends on who you worship, Jesus Christ or Satan. Rev 12:1-5 is not in the word of God? Then why can't anyone find it on Stellarium. Rev 12:1-5 takes place in the heavens, and Stellarium is a star tracking software. Well, it has everything to do with it. Babylonians worship Satan, born again Christians worship Jesus Christ. How many more generations does RM need to see? Matt 24:34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 1897 - First Zionist Congress 1917 - The Balfour Declaration 1947 - Israel becomes a nation 1967 - Israel recaptures Jerusalem 2017 - Rev 12:1-5 sign

Rev 12:1-5 is astronomy, not astrology. It's in the word of God and only occurs once. Psa 19:1-5 The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. 2Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. 3They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them. 4Yet their voiceb goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. In the heavens God has pitched a tent for the sun. 5It is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, like a champion rejoicing to run his course. Matt 21:24-27 Jesus replied, “I will also ask you one question. If you answer me, I will tell you by what authority I am doing these things. 25John’s baptism—where did it come from? Was it from heaven, or of human origin?” They discussed it among themselves and said, “If we say, ‘From heaven,’ he will ask, ‘Then why didn’t you believe him?’ 26But if we say, ‘Of human origin’—we are afraid of the people, for they all hold that John was a prophet.” 27So they answered Jesus, “We don’t know.” Then he said, “Neither will I tell you by what authority I am doing these things. Rev 12:1-2 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. What trap. Matt 24 is clear. The Great Trib begins at the abomination of desolation in the middle of the 70th week. If the Great Trib is 7 years then why does it begin in the middle of the 70th week.

No, the great tribulation is the last 3.5 years of the 70th week, and it begins at the abomination of desolation. Matt 24:15-21 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’a spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. Jacob's trouble (7 years) and the great tribulation (the last 3.5 years) begin on two different timelines. In Matt 24:31 Jesus gathers the tribulation saints from the four corners of Heaven, not the church saints. This gathering also is not a harpazo. The Day of the Lord actually begins with rapture when Virgo gives birth to Jupiter.. Isa 13:6-8 Wail, for the day of the Lord is near; it will come like destruction from the Almighty. 7Because of this, all hands will go limp, every heart will melt with fear. 8Terror will seize them, pain and anguish will grip them; they will writhe like a woman in labor. They will look aghast at each other, their faces aflame. Isa 26:17-21 As a pregnant woman about to give birth writhes and cries out in her pain, so were we in your presence, Lord. 18We were with child, we writhed in labor, but we gave birth to wind. We have not brought salvation to the earth, and the people of the world have not come to life. 19But your dead will live, Lord; their bodies will rise— let those who dwell in the dust wake up and shout for joy— your dew is like the dew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead. 20Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by. 21See, the Lord is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of the earth for their sins. The earth will disclose the blood shed on it; the earth will conceal its slain no longer. Jer 30:6-7 Ask and see: Can a man bear children? Then why do I see every strong man with his hands on his stomach like a woman in labor, every face turned deathly pale? 7How awful that day will be! No other will be like it. It will be a time of trouble for Jacob, but he will be saved out of it. 1 Thess 5:1-3 Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

Since the Holy Spirit inside believers is the restrainer, don't you think the Holy Spirit would leave with the believers at rapture? The 70th week is considered 7 years of darkness, and believers are of the light and of the day. Zep 1:15 That day will be a day of wrath— a day of distress and anguish, a day of trouble and ruin, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness— 1 Thess 5:5 You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness.

You think there would be an indwelling during the 70th week? I hope so, for family and friend sake.

That's pretty accurate. Scripture doesn't really go into detail, but I believe evidence of your faith won't be the indwelling Holy Spirit, but rather if you deny the mark of the beast and (are martyred or die of starvation). The testing is going to be unreal. Rev 3:10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth. Rev 3:10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth. Rev 13:15-17 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.