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  1. One will be taken away, the other left

    Daniel, did what happened in Noah's time happen only to Israel? Moreover Christ said that his coming would be as evident as lightning which flashes across the skies (which flashes across the earth from one end to another) (Matthew 24:27).
  2. One will be taken away, the other left

    Missmuffet, I believe the passage you cited talks about the judgement at the end of days.
  3. Jesus said that at his second coming one person will be taken away, the other left. I want to say first of all that those taken do not remain in this dimension. If they remain, their taking wouldn't be different from a kidnapping. But this isn't a kidnapping, it's Christ's second coming. What about Christ's statement that "where the body is, the vultures gather"? This simply means the spiritually dead are known. Just as the angel of death knew the firstborn sons of the Egyptians, the spiritually dead are known. It is the wicked who are taken, not the righteous. Christ likens his second coming to the times of Noah and Lot. I'm sure we all know that those times it was the wicked who were taken.
  4. 9/30/17, Rev 12:5, Jubilee etc..

    Only God knows when the rapture will happen. Our wanting it to happen won't make it happen. It's God who will make it happen. God knows everything. God knows when God will make it happen.
  5. The Great white throne Judgement

    Could you tell me why they would go against God? Know that Jesus would be here. God doesn't say you should not live your life, what he doesn't want is rebellious people. Problems would solved easily because Jesus would be here. Besides 1 Corinthians 7:14 says- For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy. Why would the children of believers go against God? Know that when the Israelites rebelled just before they were about about to enter the promised land, it was children 20 years and below that were given the grace to enter. We all know that children most of time become what they see their parents do. The bible says in Proverbs 22:6- Start children off on the way they should go, and even when they are old they will not turn from it.
  6. The Great white throne Judgement

    You are contradicting yourself missmuffet. You said the sheep and goat judgement determines who enters the millennium, meaning that only Christians would enter the millennium. There's no judgement before the millenium. This is what happens- satan is bound for 1000 years. The first resurrection happens. There will be both believing and non believing mortals that would enter the millennium.
  7. The Great white throne Judgement

    Missmuffet, if everyone's christian in the millennium, who will Satan convince to go up with him to fight Jerusalem? I'm afraid you're wrong there, missmuffet. I agree with what you said on the Judgement seat of Christ part. The millennium will not be too different from the way Israel was in old testament days, the difference that will is that Jesus will be here. People in heaven will still be in heaven. The devil will not be able to convince everyone on earth to go up and fight. If everyone is resurrected christian, who will populate the millennium?
  8. The Great white throne Judgement

    Daniel, you are saying the same thing Robert Morris said. I have just one question- Why would the book of life be used if the judgement is only for unbelievers?
  9. The Great white throne Judgement

    Who here knows the preacher Robert Morris? I just watched his sermon about the Great white throne judgement. He said the Great white throne judgement is for only unbelievers. Rev. 20:11-15- Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence,and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small,standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire.The lake of fire is the second death.15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire. I don't agree with his view. It says in verse 15- Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire. I believe the judgement here is for everyone, "GREAT AND SMALL". Why would the book of life be there if all attendees are unbelievers? I think if one's name is not in the book of life he would then be judged according to his works. Verse 12- The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. I believe this judgement is the same one talked about in Matthew 25: 31-46. What do you guys think?
  10. The 144000

    To consider the sheep and goat judgement one has to consider its timing also. Are you saying the judgement comes before the great tribulation? Definitely it does not. See Revelation 20:11-15
  11. The 144000

    “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. 22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. The same train of thought continues from verse 15 to 22. To me the elect are the 144000.
  12. The Elect

    Who's correct? Daniel 11:36, Rev. Man? I agree with you, Daniel, we should analyze the passage in its context. 15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. 22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. The same train of thought continues from verse 15 to 22. To me the elect are the 144000.
  13. The Elect

    Is the elect in Matt. 24:22 Israelites (broadly, people living in Israel) or Christians not yet raptured? Please read context before answering.
  14. Post trib?

    People say the rapture's got to be post-trib because Jesus said "immediately after the tribulation of those days" in Matt. 24:29. But he also said "in the world you shall have tribulation" in John 16:33. The disciples surely didn't face the final 7 years? Did they? We're still here. People also say Matthew 24:30 is Jesus' second coming. You'll agree with me that Matt. 24:29 is parallel to Rev. 6:12-14. Rev. 6:12-14 is the 6th seal. If Matt. 24:30 is the 2nd coming (7th trumpet), that means one has to cram the 7th seal and 6 trumpet judgements between verses 30 and 31, good? Not good. Not that I agree that the rapture occurs at the 7th trumpet. I'm just assuming it happens.
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