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    What I'm trying to say - I don't think Jesus' coming stated in 2 Thess. 2:1 is the rapture. Why? Because in the 8th verse of the same chapter, it says that the Antichrist is destroyed at the coming of Jesus. If the Antichrist is destroyed at the rapture, who would be the Antichrist in the final 7 years? And Paul talks about only ONE coming in his letters. God bless us all.
  2. Matthew 6:1-21 does not say anything about the when and where the believer gets his/her reward.
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    I think... if it's the rapture then we are not going to have an Antichrist for the tribulation because it says in the same chapter; verse 8 that the Antichrist would be destroyed by the brightness of Jesus' coming. Do you see what I'm saying? God bless us all!
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    2 Thess. 2:1 - Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him... Guys, I have a question... Is the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ stated in this passage - 1. His coming at the rapture? Or 2. His second coming? (Rev. 19:11-21). Support your answers with scripture where possible. God bless us all!
  5. And I also have a question for u: Of what benefit is it to the Christian if he (or she) stays the whole 7 years? Jesus said it himself -"...In the world ye shall have tribulation..."(John 16:33 KJV). There has always been and there will always be tribulation in the world. Anyone who receives the mark of the beast is damned. That doesn't require much preaching, does it? God bless you Walter Goraj jr.
  6. Missmuffet, I'm not saying that I know when the rapture will happen. What I'm saying is that the sealed scroll contains all of God's mighty plan for the endtimes. In Rev. 4 the sealed scroll is in the hand of God himself. The trumpets and bowls are in the 7th seal. There has always been tribulation in the world. The difference with that of the final 7 years is that the persecution of those who want to believe would increase exponentially. God bless you.
  7. I have noticed that people are behaving as if the Lord Jesus will never come back. But God said in his word in Revelation 22:12 that - "Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done (NIV). I assume we all know God exists and know that what he says always comes to pass. The issue now is how to know which one of the various views about the bible is what God said. What I'm sure everyone would agree with me about is that no one's reward is on the earth. That's why it's called reward; it's given after a period of examination. Life on earth is the examination. This supports the idea of a rapture. God can't wait to give us our rewards he raptures us. The popular question is "when will the rapture happen?" There are many answers to this question but the one I subscribe to is the one given in the Book of Revelation. Believers are present for part of the tribulation but not all of it. Some people say the rapture happens before the tribulation because of Rev. 4:1. I can't understand how anyone would say it represents the rapture. It was only John who was asked to come up; not all Christians. But the tribulation does start in chapter 4 because God doesn't get to open seals, trumpets and bowls every other day. The rapture happens in Rev. 6. I say so because of the multiplicity of seals on the scroll.Logically I don't think 1 seal would have been enough to reveal all the things God wanted to reveal. The trumpets and bowls are in the 7th seal. The seals contain all the things God wants to reveal and definitely the seals would touch the rapture. Which it does in Rev. 6:12-17 and Rev.7:9-17 (see also matt. 24:29-31). The sealed scroll is in the hand of God himself. The sealed scroll is the Book of Revelation. God protects his children from his (God's) wrath and raptures his children from man's wrath. The rapture happens before the Antichrist becomes the the Antichrist. If you are still here when the Antichrist becomes the Antichrist, brethren you've been left behind. Thank you.
  8. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. The reason why the time period of the two witnesses ministry is given in days could be because their ministry would be a day to day one. Anyways 42 months and 1260 days is the same.
  9. The period during which the two witnesses prophesy is the second half of the tribulation period. It's really very simple. Revelation 11:2-3 : But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. AND I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. From the passage it is clear that the two witnesses prophesy during the same time the Antichrist and his forces trample Jerusalem underfoot. Notice the conjunction AND tying verses 2 and 3 together. The Antichrist is peaceful during the first three-and-a-half years but becomes the beast for the second half of the tribulation period.
  10. I respectfully disagree, Hidden. Of course, the event is in the future. There is no need for Jesus to tell readers to understand what may have happened in the past. Jesus is God. Why would the almighty Jesus "prophesy" something that has already happened? Jesus was telling future readers to understand.
  11. To know which rapture view is correct; pre-trib, pre-wrath, mid-trib or post-trib, we need to understand the issue from its beginning. The dominant rapture view is the pre-trib rapture view. Since the rapture views are what we are trying to understand, we'll leave them for a while and go to the next important issue. The next important issue is the Antichrist. Just to be clear, God's wrath is not for his children. So IF believers are still here, God will find a way to protect believers from God's wrath. THE ANTICHRIST The Antichrist's first important act will be the signing of a peace treaty with Israel. Daniel 9:27 - He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him." The antichrist is going to sign a peace treaty with Israel for 7 years. In the midst of the 7 years he is going to break the treaty. It's 3.5 years into the peace treaty the antichrist is known as the ANTICHRIST. For the 3.5 years before he is seen as the saviour of the world. He goes into the temple of God in Jerusalem and declares himself as God. His war with the saints begins at the midpoint of the 7 years. Revelation 13:7 - It was given power to wage war against God's holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. For the first 3.5 years he is seen as a peaceful man. The question is "Will believers be here during the tribulation period because no rapture happened? Or are the saints people who gave their lives to Jesus after the rapture? One thing we know; believers are not subject to God's wrath. A type of believers will be on earth during the tribulation; Revelation 7:1-8. In the Olivet discourse Jesus was talking to the disciples as if they would be alive when the end of the world was at hand. All the disciples are dead now and life still continues. But there's some important things that Jesus said. Matthew 24:12 - ... the love of many shall wax cold. Why would the love of some people wax cold? Because Jesus won't be present physically to solve their problems. Like he did when he walked here on earth. Matthew 24:13 - But he that shall endure into the end, the same shall be saved. What end is being talked about here? Some people think it's martyrdom that is being talked about here (it partially is). But the end being talked about is an end of seeing through a glass darkly (1 Corinthians 13:12). In other words what Jesus was saying is you have to endure till I reveal myself to you fully. Could be through death, martyrdom e.t.c. Also, Jesus said in verse 6 that "And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these must come to pass, but the end is not yet". It's clear that the 12 disciples would witness this. I believe that verses 1 to 14 are for the Israeli believers (in bible times) while verses 15 to 35 are for the tribulation believers of the generation that would see Jesus return. It's even said in verse 15 that the reader should understand. Matthew 24:15 - When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso READETH, let him understand:). Readeth?! Apparently, Jesus meant this for future believers. Jesus wouldn't have said readeth if it wasn't going to be in some book for reading in the future. Verses 15 to 35 is future believers. But it's for Israeli believers. The location being talked about is Israel. Although there would be tribulation for christians in other places too. Some people will believe in Jesus (both Israelites and other nationalities) after the rapture. These are the ones the Antichrist wages war against. Believers would be gone by then. I agree with the pre-wrath rapture view. It's similar to the pre-trib rapture view. The only difference is that the pre-wrath view places the rapture at the 6th seal while pre-trib says it comes before the seals, trumpets and bowls. Thank you.
  12. First off the 2nd woe is the 6th trumpet not the 2 witnesses. It's clear in Revelation 11 that the Spirit of God was telling John what would happen and that John was not seeing the things happen. So the 2nd woe cannot be the 2 witnesses. Revelation 11:3- And I WILL give power to my 2 witnesses to prophesy 1260 days clothed in sackcloth (emphasis mine). Clearly the Spirit of God was telling John what would happen. Different from where John said "I saw". Secondly, how could the bible say the kingdom of God comes with the 7th trumpet if the Antichrist comes after? It's because of the 2 witnesses. The only way the kingdom of God comes is through man. The kingdom of God came through Moses in the book of Exodus in the land of Egypt, Exodus 7:1. In the new testament, through Jesus (Matt.3:2). Jesus (a man) will rule the kingdom of God. Any questions?
  13. The U.S. President Donald Trump recently said that the U.S. embassy will move from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. The news making the rounds is that the embassy will move in May in commemoration of Israel's 70 years of being a nation once again. God confirmed this for me. This move could lead to the Isaiah 17, Psalm 83 war.
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