
Heb 13:8
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OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross
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Once saved already does save, because the work has already been done through His blood. Eph 1:13-14, Rom 8:33-39 -
OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross
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No, you're working for your salvation. the work has already been done friend. Cast out not, Eph 1:13-14, Rom 8:33-39. -
OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross
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No, it's the wording that's incorrect. We obey Christ out of thankfulness to the cross, not to save ourselves. Jesus will say I never knew you. -
OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross
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Those who work in the body receive crowns and rewards, those who work and are not born again are headed to a different place -
OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross
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Pray about it 777, works salvation will not save you. He will say I never knew you Ezek 13 “ ‘Because they lead my people astray, saying, “Peace,” when there is no peace, and because, when a flimsy wall is built, they cover it with whitewash, 11therefore tell those who cover it with whitewash that it is going to fall. Rain will come in torrents, and I will send hailstones hurtling down, and violent winds will burst forth. 12When the wall collapses, will people not ask you, “Where is the whitewash you covered it with?” 13“ ‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: In my wrath I will unleash a violent wind, and in my anger hailstones and torrents of rain will fall with destructive fury. 14I will tear down the wall you have covered with whitewash and will level it to the ground so that its foundation will be laid bare. When it b falls, you will be destroyed in it; and you will know that I am the Lord. 15So I will pour out my wrath against the wall and against those who covered it with whitewash. I will say to you, “The wall is gone and so are those who whitewashed it, 16those prophets of Israel who prophesied to Jerusalem and saw visions of peace for her when there was no peace, declares the Sovereign Lord.” ’ Matt 7 15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. -
OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross
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Ok, just remember, works salvation is false, He will say I never knew you Ezek 13 “ ‘Because they lead my people astray, saying, “Peace,” when there is no peace, and because, when a flimsy wall is built, they cover it with whitewash, 11therefore tell those who cover it with whitewash that it is going to fall. Rain will come in torrents, and I will send hailstones hurtling down, and violent winds will burst forth. 12When the wall collapses, will people not ask you, “Where is the whitewash you covered it with?” 13“ ‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: In my wrath I will unleash a violent wind, and in my anger hailstones and torrents of rain will fall with destructive fury. 14I will tear down the wall you have covered with whitewash and will level it to the ground so that its foundation will be laid bare. When it b falls, you will be destroyed in it; and you will know that I am the Lord. 15So I will pour out my wrath against the wall and against those who covered it with whitewash. I will say to you, “The wall is gone and so are those who whitewashed it, 16those prophets of Israel who prophesied to Jerusalem and saw visions of peace for her when there was no peace, declares the Sovereign Lord.” ’ Matt 7 15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. -
OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross
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No, he's not. That's works salvation -
OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross
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That's why the body of Christ is a mystery, you know that bit right..... the invisible God dwelling in you -
OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross
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Because they give glory to God for keeping them saved. They preach that you must be born again + 0 -
OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross
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Anyone who preaches Grace salvation whether on strange forums or youtube has the truth. Their testimony proves you wrong. -
OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross
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One at a time bro. -
OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross
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Yes, Rom 10 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” 12For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” 2 Cor 3:7-12 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts! 12Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. -
OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross
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Amen. -
OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross
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Jewish Christians, yes. (in the book of James) -
OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross
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Jon preaches by streams in the woods. It's really soothing. They all equal in Grace and their msg tho. -
OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross
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All of them, they all preach Grace salvation. Take your time with each one. ? -
OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross
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Adam Fink - https://www.youtube.com/user/1bad06Sti/videos Barry Scarbrough - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyAsKlawRiYQvmqbmd9bFLA/videos Brother Todd - https://www.youtube.com/user/thecollectivecry/videos Chad Thomas - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5C0zEGR-Deg-5QRLelbsiA/videos Cornelius Jones - https://www.youtube.com/user/corneliusjones1980/videos Jon Keener - https://www.youtube.com/user/livinlattes/videos Renee Roland - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2vX57S7VeTU7wkhwONr9rw/videos -
OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross
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Yeah, I remember Yankee from years ago. He's good. 1. Lucky repentance 2. Only willful sin can make you lose salvation 3. They deny they preach works but they preach losing salvation 4. They accuse saints of the worst sins, but the devil is the accuser 5. It's finished at the cross but it's really not 6. If we're not faithful, he's not faithful. 7. Wut's next.............................................................................................. -
OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross
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They're list is growing........... ? -
OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross
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Hi 1sheep. No, those in Christ don't belong to denominations. We belong to Christ. All one needs to do is study Job, Solomon and Paul... I believe that being naked in the grave is referring to death. Rapture and resurrection is when we are finally clothed with immortality. The truth is so easy, but the world love Satan's lies. Job 1:21 and said: “Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked I will depart. The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away; may the name of the LORD be praised.” Ecc 5:15 Everyone comes naked from their mother's womb, and as everyone comes, so they depart. They take nothing from their toil that they can carry in their hands. 2Co 5:3 because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked. ..................................................................... 1 Cor 15:53-54 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.” 2 Cor 5:4 For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. -
OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross
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Maybe Paul and James were preaching to two different crowds. What do you think.. Gal 2:7-9 On the contrary, they recognized that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the uncircumcised, a just as Peter had been to the circumcised. 8For God, who was at work in Peter as an apostle to the circumcised, was also at work in me as an apostle to the Gentiles. 9James, Cephas and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised. James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes scattered among the nations: Greetings. -
Who would have thought ? The apostle Peter was a back slider.
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Hades is the grave where believers and non believers rest in death until resurrection day (the Bema and the Great White Throne). Hell on the other hand is another word for the lake of fire where final judgment occurs. I agree with LuftWaffle... https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/215025-annihilationism-vs-traditionalism/ Enoch and Elijah are the rare item, the story without all the answers. Always remember, where there is a contradiction there is no truth. One might ask themselves why Job, Solomon and Paul contradicts Enoch and Elijah's story. The contradiction especially would be with Paul. Did Paul lie when he said we are not clothed in immortality until rapture and first resurrection (1 Cor 15, 1 Thess 4). The Bible is infallible, so whatever the reason God had for Enoch and Elijah He had it done specifically to them and not the rest of humanity. Maybe God wanted the OT saints to know there is indeed life after death, in order to increase their faith (a lesson in faith). Gen 5:24 Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, because God took him away. Heb 11:5-6 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.” For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God. 6And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. When the Bible is silent on certain matters, the next thing to look towards are contradictions. If you can't find the truth in contradictions then you pray about it, give it to the Father in prayer. -
Who would have thought ? The apostle Peter was a back slider.
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Thank you Cletus. I do believe this is metaphorical language describing te power of the death/burial/resurrection. The Greek word for spirit is wind and breath. I think that Paul was referring to how we need our bodies in order for our spirit and soul to live. I believe that being naked in the grave is referring to death. Rapture and resurrection is when we are finally clothed with immortality. The truth is so easy, if do our study. I speak in love. Job 1:21 and said: “Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked I will depart. The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away; may the name of the LORD be praised.” Ecc 5:15 Everyone comes naked from their mother's womb, and as everyone comes, so they depart. They take nothing from their toil that they can carry in their hands. 2Co 5:3 because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked. ................................................................. 1 Cor 15:53-54 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.” 2 Cor 5:4 For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. -
Who would have thought ? The apostle Peter was a back slider.
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When they died. Hades is the grave. -
OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross
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I don't think they're unhappy. Paul and Isaiah told me to depend on Jesus to keep me saved, not my filthy rags. Hebrews is an encouragement letter to those that err. The author reminds us that Jesus is the end result of our faith, and sanctification discipline and godly sorrow is the middle. Heb 12 4In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. 5And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says, “My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you, 6because the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.” 7Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? 8If you are not disciplined—and everyone undergoes discipline—then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all. 9Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live! 10They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in his holiness. 11No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it. 12Therefore, strengthen your feeble arms and weak knees. 13“Make level paths for your feet,” b so that the lame may not be disabled, but rather healed.