Heb 13:8

When the rapture occurs in Sept of 2017, the 144,000 will be sealed to protect them from God's wrath, so they can go out and preach the Word in the 70th week. They are taking the baton when the church is gone so to speak.

1 Cor 15:12-18 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost.

1 John 5:9-14 says believers can know right now we have eternal life through the Son. - Amen

Do you know you have eternal life through Jesus Christ, or you're not sure?

Matt 13:16 But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. Heb 11:1 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.

Right, he died for sin. The work came from Him Jeff. Yes Jeff!! In this life, it's not what you know, it's who you know. Do you know Jesus Christ?

What works can save you that Jesus already died for? Justification comes at the cross when we first believed. Believers receive rewards, not condemnation at the Bema.

works that are fruit of faith are still works. lol.

How do you get saved then Jeff?

lol believers in Christ are not fooled Zach.

Rom 10:9 is the only way to get saved.

Believing and confessing is of faith, not works Jeff. Ok, so you are confessing to us that you are a nonbeliever who denies Rom 10:9. I just wanted to confirm before we go any further. I would like to tell you that Jesus loves you, and He died on the cross and paid the penalty for your sins. Rom 10:9 is the only way to become saved. Rom 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Actually, no. Nonbelievers are considered enemies of God, and believers in Christ only obtain agape love in Rom 8:38-39. Rom 5:10 For if, while we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! Rom 8:38-39 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,k neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love (agape) of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Rom 11:28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, Phl 3:18 For, as I have often told you before and now tell you again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ.

How is depending on the finished work of the cross earning salvation. It's already finished. Please explain.

Of course I do Jeff2. My theological tower is based on my faith in the risen Lord. Did you declare with your mouth and believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead? If not you are still in your sins 1 Cor 15:17. Rom 10:9-10 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 1 Cor 15:12-18 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost.

Ok. So you don't believe Jesus died for past, present and future sins?

Logic: Where is the Rev 12:1-5 sign in Stellarium 2,000 years ago?? The Rev 12 sign is 100 percent of God. Unless man hijacked Stellarium, we can trust it. lol.

Believing only comes once. "Believed", past tense.. Eph 1:13-14 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

Jeff2, we have salvation because of the love of God. Jesus died on the cross because of love. Through belief on the finished work of the cross we can receive that love. That love is the indwelling Holy spirit working through the believer. Rom 5:5 And hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us. Rom 8:39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. 2 Cor 13:14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

You're right, sin brings death. However.. Rom 8:38-39 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

2 Pet 3:9

All those predictions in the past lacked two things, Spock. 1. The Rev 12:1-5 sign coming to pass in the heavens, 2. and also Stellarium software wasn't invented until 2001. This is a whole new ball game. That's right, Christ birthday. How is Christ going to celebrate His birthday without a body? In Rev 12:5 the head (Jesus Christ) will finally be connected to the body (the church). I used to think that too, I used to be pre-wrath until I found out about Rev 12:1-5 coming to pass on 9/23/17. It changes everything because honestly, God is the one in control of eschatology. The last time the word "church" is mentioned is in Rev 3:14. I believe Rev chapters 4,5,7 are visions of the same event, pre-trib rapture.. Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” Rev 5:1 Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. Rev 7:9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.

The rapture doesn't happen on just any given day on the Gregorian calendar, no! God has an appointed time for all that He does. In Luke 21:36 Jesus is speaking to nonbelieving Jews only, the church did not exist just yet. The church began in Acts 2:1-4. If you are truly inside the body of Christ then you will escape by way of rapture. The word "harpazo" also means to be rescued or escape from destruction.. Jude 1:23, Amos 4:11, Zech 3:2.

If it's already happened then someone would of found it on Stellarium by now. You have Rev 12:1-5 being fulfilled on earth. This sign takes place in the heavens where the sun, moon, stars and planets reside (Stellarium software). It's time to wake up. Rev 3:3. Good point! But it is. The word "harpazo" is a rapture word for the body of Christ only. See 1 Thess 4:17, Rev 12:5 Harpazo. How else will Rev 12:1-5 be fulfilled? Virgo (Israel) is giving birth to the body of Christ (Jupiter) on 9/23/17. It's time to wake up. Rev 3:3

Well said. It's not only Jesus Christ, but Jupiter represents the body of Christ being connected to the head through rapture. Harpazo is in Rev 12:5. What if the three wise men said the same thing about the star of Bethlehem. Brother, we have software now that can track the stars in the heavens all the way back to Adam and Eve. It's called Stellarium, I'm sure you've heard of it? There's been many eschatologists who have already tested out the Rev 12 sign in past and future. Other than 9/23/17, nobody can find a match that fits Rev 12:1-5. Nobody. Download Stellarium on your cell phone or laptop, and see for yourself. The only day the alignment matches is on 9/23/17. Watch this video from 29:10 to 29:46..