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  1. Yes, re: (1) ... does anyone who loves Jesus NOT obey His commandments? The NT teaches us that obedience is part of truly believing. Saving faith = belief, faith, trust, obedience. Also, 15 NT verses teach us that one's faith must endure until the end of life for him/her to have saving faith! Don't fall away during the up-coming persecution of Christians. Don't submit to taking the dreaded mark of the beast. Both of these are signs of the "cowardly" in Revelation 21:8. Here Jesus says cowards inherit the lake of fire!
  2. Yes indeed ... Praise God indeed ... perhaps our prayers for you helped!
  3. Now, as we are entering into the end times, the time is short indeed for believers to become true believers … by starting to obey Jesus’ commandments! Please also see my first thread, “Have you been deceived by Satan through your church?” The Holy Spirit, God’s angels, and Satan’s angels (demons) can all speak to us (spiritually), i.e. they can place thoughts into our minds (but demons cannot read our thoughts). The Holy Spirit will dwell INSIDE the true (obedient) believer … but this thread is not really about this point, so I will only list some references: John 14:15-24, John 15:1-10, Acts 5:32, 2 Cor 13:5, 1 John 3:24, 1 John 4:12-16. Now, on to the purpose of the thread: Obedience results in the believer remaining “in Christ”. John 14 (NLT, 2007) 15 If you love me, obey my commandments. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, who will never leave you. 17 He is the Holy Spirit who leads into all truth ... you know him, because he lives with you now and later will be in you. 20 … you will know that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21 Those who accept my commandments and obey them are the ones who love me. And because they love me, my Father will love them. And I will love them and reveal myself to each of them. 23 All who love me will do what I say. My Father will love them, and we will come and make our home with each of them. 24 Anyone who doesn’t love me will not obey me. Jesus says believers who love Him and obey His commandments – are “in me” (v.20). This is what being “in Christ” is all about. 1 John 2:3-5 (NLT, 2007) 3 And we can be sure that we know him, if we obey his commandments. 4 If someone claims, “I know God,” but doesn’t obey God’s commandments, that person is a liar and is not living in the truth. 5 But those who obey God’s word truly show how completely they love him. That is how we know we are living in him. John says believers who know and love Jesus and obey His commandments – are “in him” (v.5). This is what being “in Christ” is all about. I have summarized Jesus’ warnings in John 15 … John 15 (NLT, 2007) 1 I (Jesus) am the true grapevine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He (Father God) cuts off every branch of mine that doesn’t produce fruit … 4 Remain in me, and I will remain in you. For a branch cannot produce fruit if it is severed from the vine, and you cannot be fruitful unless you remain in me. 5 Yes, I am the vine; you are the branches. Those who remain in me, and I in them, will produce much fruit. 6 Anyone who does not remain in me is thrown away like a useless branch and withers. Such branches are gathered into a pile to be burned. 8 When you produce much fruit, you are my true disciples. 9 Remain in my love. 10 When you obey my commandments, you remain in my love, just as I obey my Father’s commandments and remain in his love. Please note that “every branch of mine” (v.2), and “you” (v.5), refer to believers in Jesus. Jesus says those who obey His commandments “remain in my love” (v.10). This is what being “in Christ” is all about. And He says those who “do not remain in me” are thrown away and burned (v.6). So, remaining in Jesus (through loving and obeying Him) is mandatory for final salvation! “To remain in Christ means to love him, to obey him, to pray to him, to worship him. In other words, to remain in Christ means to be joined to him spiritually, just as a branch is joined to a vine. If we remain joined to Christ in this way, we will be like living branches. And just as the sap of the vine flows into the branches and gives them life, so will Christ’s Spirit flow into us and give us spiritual life. In order to bear fruit, we must remain in Christ. If we do not remain in Christ, we shall not bear fruit. Not only that, we shall wither and die (v.6). … There is only one thing that can separate us from Christ: sin. Sin is like a disease that eats at the base of the branch. We will surely lose our union with Christ, if any known sin remains in our lives for which we have not repented. … We can say that in our Christian lives two main things are necessary: first, Christ through the Holy Spirit, must remain in us; and second, Christ’s words, that is the words of the Bible, must remain in our hearts. … In the Christian life, we always find two things appearing together: promises and conditions. If we fulfill the condition, God will fulfill His promise. God has never given a promise without also stating a condition along with the promise … To remain in Christ’s love (v.9,10) is the same as to remain in Christ. … To remain in Christ’s love, we must love him. To love him, we must obey him (see John 14:15). As long as we continue to obey Christ, we shall remain in his love, and he and the Father will abide in us (see John 14:21).” … Dr. Thomas Hale, medical missionary (The Applied New Testament Commentary,1996) All through the Epistles, people in the churches are condemned … if they are involved in habitual sin (note: they have not remained “in Christ”). “There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ has made me free from the law of sin and death.” (Romans 8:1-2, NKJV) Those who have remained “in Christ” are free from the law of sin and death … because they are continually having their sins washed away through repentance! “But remember, even though we believers have escaped condemnation, sin still remains in our lives. Therefore, we are still guilty of sin and deserving of punishment. But if we repent of our sins, God will not count our sins against us; He will not judge us guilty (see 1 John 1:9).” … Dr. Thomas Hale (The Applied New Testament Commentary,1996) “(the uncondemned) no longer follow our sinful nature, but instead follow the Spirit. … So letting your sinful nature control your mind leads to (eternal) death. But, letting the Spirit control your mind leads to life and peace.” (Romans 8:4-6, NLT) “We cannot live according to the sinful nature and according to the Spirit at the same time; we must live according to either one or the other (see Galatians 5, etc.).” … Dr. Thomas Hale (The Applied New Testament Commentary,1996) “For if you live by its (the flesh’s) dictates (desires), you will die (eternally). But if through the power of the Spirit you put to death the deeds of your sinful nature, you will live (eternally). For all who are led by the Spirit of God are children of God.” (Romans 8:13-14, NLT)
  4. Great OP ... thanks for sharing.
  5. Here are some additional comments on 6 of the NT passages in the OP … “If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed rather than having two hands and go to hell” (Mark 9:43) Does Jesus go overboard in trying to express the incredible seriousness of sin? “You will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end (until his death) will be saved (eternally).” (Matthew 10:22) There are about 15 NT verses which teach this spiritual Truth above. And, enduring in the faith until death includes … • Not falling away during the times of severe persecution of Christians • Not submitting to the incredible pressure of taking the dreaded mark of the beast Both of these severe TESTS will be coming upon professing Christians soon! Re: taking the mark, be sure you read the eternal consequences in Rev.13-14. “Then when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full grown, brings forth (eternal) death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.” (James 1:15-16) Sin brings forth eternal death upon believers also, unless it is repented of! “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9) Repentance includes all of the following: the sorrow over committing the sin, the confessing it to God, the asking forgiveness for it, the stopping of doing it. “In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God” (1 John 3:10) “He who practices righteousness is righteous” (1 John 3:7) Many believers have been deceived by the gospel of hyper-grace, the “Me gospel”. They have been deceived into believing that they have been made FOREVER righteous because of what Jesus did for them on the Cross. They have NOT been made FOREVER anything by God’s free gift of grace. They have NOT been made FOREVER justified, righteous, sanctified, saved, etc. NO GUARANTEES is what the NT teaches! … because … We see that all of God’s blessings are CONDITIONAL – all throughout the whole Bible! Warning: gifts can be taken back, seals can be broken, etc. Because believers are required to do their part in their salvation. They are required to co-operate with the precious Holy Spirit. And the opposite of this is the most-deadly practicing of habitual (unrepentant) sin! “And do NOT present your member as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God … as instruments of righteousness to God. … Do you not know that … you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, OR (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness? … so now present your bodies as slaves of righteousness for holiness. … For the end of those things (past sins) is (eternal) death. ... For the wages of sin is (eternal) death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” (Romans 6:13—23) Paul is writing to born-again believers in Rome (who are strangers to him). He warns them: sinning, being slaves of sin, being unrighteous – leads to eternal death! Attention: believers just do NOT understand Paul’s method of writing to the churches. It is all about being tactful, so he will be welcome to visit them (and teach them more). Paul mixes his warnings in amongst his MANY edifications, exhortations, blessings, etc. And he leaves it up to the precious Holy Spirit to reveal the deep meaning of Scripture. Warning: deceived believers are mistakenly taught to focus on the last line above, and they just do not realize that all of God’s blessings are CONDITIONAL, which is seen all throughout the whole entire Bible! Believers are taught that passages such as the Romans 6 simply do NOT apply to them! The churches do NOT want to get the troops upset … because the troops come trooping in every Sunday with their tithes! To be fair, some church leadership are not this way … they have just been deceived by the greatest lair and deceiver in history, whose name is Satan!
  6. PLEASE pray for Kwikphilly that she gets out of Florida safely before that most horrendous storm hits BIG-TIME!
  7. Since creation, God has always insisted on man’s co-operation. Jesus will make you holy (i.e. He will fully sanctify you), but only IF you co-operate with the precious Holy Spirit via your God-given free-will.
  8. Our Kwikster sister has got it right again!
  9. RE: repenting of a particular sin 1 • have sorrow over doing it 2 • confess it before the Lord 3 • ask the Lord for forgiveness 4 • stop doing it This what the Lord requires of you.
  10. Suppose I give a car to my son, and he misuses it (dangerously), cannot I take the car back? A free gift can be taken back. Spiritual Truth just ain't as simple as you think it is! Why don't you try RECONCILING the so-called OSAS NT verses with the anti-OSAS NT verses? The NT word "believe" cannot possibly mean what you think it does! Because it actually must mean: believe, trust, and obey (until death). This is what the NT teaches.
  11. IMO, the epistle writers were extremely tactful as they mixed their dire warnings in with their many edifications, exhortations, encouragements, blessings, etc. I see several reasons for this. IMO, Jesus taught this (approach to the churches) to Paul in the desert places for 17 years before the latter began his ministry to the Gentiles.
  12. I believe if you check John 14, you will find His promise to remain with us FOREVER is made to those who obey His commandments. People find all kinds of different fault with the verses I have listed in the OP ... for all kinds of different reasons! But, I really do insist on people answering line 1 ... Please tell me why NT passages such as these do NOT apply to you?
  13. Greetings in Christ to you, sister Kwikster! 3 times in John 14 we read, paraphrasing ... "If you love Me, you will keep (obey) My commandments." Who goes to heaven who does not love Jesus?
  14. Please tell me why NT passages such as these do NOT apply to you? “… wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to (eternal) destruction … narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to (eternal) life, and there are few who find it.” (Matthew 7:13-14) The truth of the narrow way has not at all been taught in its full reality. There are many NT verses which prove how narrow the way really is! “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord’, shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven … I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you (approved of you); depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness (sin)!’ ” (Matthew 7:21-23) There’s much more to doing God’s will than merely believing in Jesus! Yes, sin keeps you out of the kingdom … see the NT “sin lists” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21, Ephesians 5:3-6). “You will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end (until his death) will be saved (eternally).” (Matthew 10:22) There are about 15 NT verses which teach us … the believer must endure in the faith until death to receive eternal life (and some are below). “But if you want to enter into (eternal) life, keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17) “He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me.” (John 14:21, also John 14:23 & John 15:14) Does anyone get into heaven who does NOT love Jesus and obey Him? “If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed rather than having two hands and go to hell” (Mark 9:43) “For whoever desires to save his (worldly) life will lose it (eternal life) but whoever loses his (worldly) life for My sake will save it (eternal life) For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and is himself destroyed or lost (eternal death)?” (Luke 9:24-25 and John 12:25) “And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh” (Galatians 5:24) “For if you live according to the flesh you will die (eternally)” (Romans 8:13) “Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption (eternal death)” (Galatians 6:7-8) “… the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received ... by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you – unless you believed in vain.” (1 Corinthians 15:1-2) “Then when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full grown, brings forth (eternal) death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.” (James 1:15-16) “But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition (eternal death) … Command those who are rich … that they may lay hold on to eternal life.” (1 Timothy 6:9-19) “ ‘My righteous ones will live by faith. But I will take no pleasure in anyone who turns away.’ But we are not like those who turn away from God to their own destruction (eternal death). We are the faithful ones, whose souls will be saved.” (Hebrews 10:38-39) Paul says some believers turn back to their destruction, but in fact, he has NO idea who will remain faithful to the end, or who will turn away! “In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God” (1 John 3:10) “He who practices righteousness is righteous” (1 John 3:7) “He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death (eternal death).” (Revelation 21:7-8) The “cowardly” include believers who fall from the faith when persecuted for their Christian faith, or later submit to taking the mark of the beast. “But there shall by no means enter it (the New Jerusalem) anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.” (Revelation 21:27) “He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life” (Revelation 3:5) Jesus gives His definition of who the victorious “overcomer” is … “To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.” (Revelation 3:21) Just what did Jesus overcome? Primarily: the world, sin, and the devil. We today are the deceived church of Laodicea (Revelation 3:14-22). “If you refuse to forgive others, your Father won’t forgive your sins.” (Matthew 6:15) Unforgiveness blocks you from heaven and also blocks you from being healed! “Fear the Lord and keep His commandments … so that you may be saved. … So have faith in Him and fear Him and by that fear exercise self-control. Keep these commandments. If you do, you will put on the strength of righteousness, and cast all wickedness from you, and live to God.” (“The Shepherd of Hermas” -- most popular Christian “book” during 100-400 a.d. Quoted as Scripture by such as Irenaeas, Clement, Origen, Codex Sinaiticus. The Shepherd calls himself: “the Shepherd and messenger of repentance”.) “Fear God, who has the power … to throw you into hell” (Luke 12:5) “… unless you repent you will all likewise perish.” (Luke 13:3 and 13:5) “… beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God … your sorrow (over his first letter to them) led to repentance … For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation.” (2 Corinthians 7:1-10) Yes, ALL sins will be forgiven through deep and sincere repentance! “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9) “When the Lord saw that their repentance was good and pure, and that they were able to remain in it, He ordered their former sins to be blotted out.” (“The Shepherd of Hermas” – he’s not nearly as tactful as the earlier Epistles) Has Satan deceived you? ... Has he deceived your church? Satan hates God, and he hates you! … He and his demons work tirelessly to succeed in having you spend eternity in hell with them. “the god of this world” (2 Corinthians 4:4) “the ruler of this world” (John 12:31) “the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world” (Revelation 12:9) “he is a liar and the father of it (lies)” (John 8:44) “evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world” (Ephesians 6:12) Have you been deceived into believing in “once saved, always saved”, and that your sins (past, present, and future) have all been forgiven? (Also, have you been deceived into believing in a pre-tribulation rapture?) Heads-up! The dozens of warnings in the NT are there for a purpose! For example: “… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, OR (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness … now present your bodies as slaves of righteousness for holiness.” (Romans 6:16,19) Born-agains have been given a new nature and the indwelling Holy Spirit to free them from their bondage to Satan – and from their slavery to sin!
  15. Let's just understand they are weaker vessels, and that's why Paul insisted that women not teach men. Peter understood this also. Me, I understand it from Scripture and from experience. 1 Peter 3:7 "Husbands, likewise, dwell with them with understanding, giving honor to the wife, as to the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life, that your prayers may not be hindered."
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