2 minutes ago, simplejeff said:

Well,   several times "unclean" was referenced , as in nothing "unclean" enters heaven.... 

and the refence to which children are clean and which are unclean in the NEW TESTAMENT also....

and , why ?  besides - NO ONE ,  in the last what, 2000  years,   has shown any SCRIPTURE ("HIS WORD")

that shows babies go to anywhere (including heaven)  in general,  except probably "to the grave" ....

There is no INJUSTICE with YHWH THE CREATOR,  so if ALL AND EVERY BABY along with all the children and adults who drowned in the flood are resurrected in shame and judgment, instead of to everlasting life, 

that is YHWH'S judgment,  with perfect wisdom and perfect knowledge and with no iniquity in HIMSELF.

Perhaps no one will know until they are resurrected.  (and even then,  perhaps not - YHWH'S CHOICE)....

Well, being babies are not unclean this discussion is unwarranted in matters of actual scripture and God's grace. I think people that believe babies go to Hell are already made up in their own minds. And that has not a thing to do with God. 

4 hours ago, simplejeff said:

There is one or more reference by YHWH to unclean children (any age?  perhaps) ...... in HIS WORD.

There is likewise some support that babies go to heaven,  and that they don't,  in HIS WORD. 

A lot of people seem to think it is already known or determined one way or the other.(but not by HIS WORD).

I think you'd have to show in HIS WORD where God expressly states babies go to Hell. Can you do that ? 

P/S Is the Mojave memorial cross still there? I know that the public land was deeded to a veterans group years ago. 

Good for them! The ACLU should be beat down each and every time they rally against Christian's religious freedom. Which is often. They and as mentioned, the FFRF, started by an apostate ex-pastor who's mission now is to wipe Christianity out of America, are an abomination. 

FFRF got the ACLU on board to attack the Mojave memorial cross as offensive!  

Now imagine a nation where the ideas of FFRF and ACLU rule the country.  (Barf bag anyone?) 

On 3/17/2017 at 11:52 AM, Radiant_Owl said:

If the professing Christian continues to sin are they then not truly renewed? Aren't we told that the Christian does not sin?

We are. 

That doesn't mean we're perfect. It means when we make mistakes we have an advocate for us who is between us and the Father in Heaven; Jesus. 

  1 John 3:9"No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

There is a lot to be said for the fact that in Judaism there is no fire and brimstone afterlife awaiting the unrepentant.  Separation from God for all eternity awaits those who do not reconnect with God through Jesus Christ. 

Hell's fire and brimstone is said to be the concoction of the RCC. And they demonstrated it awaited the damned when the church burned people alive at the stake. Saying as excuse, that burned away the sins they'd otherwise have to suffer when damned to the firey pit. 

On 2/3/2017 at 7:28 AM, OneLight said:

Sometimes thinking is the most dangerous thing we can do ...

John 3:16-17

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.  For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

God does not think we are trash, yet He knows we will make mistakes and loves us besides of our faults.

God help any Christian who accepts that God gave them a mind and then forbids them to use it. 

On 3/17/2017 at 2:25 PM, Radiant_Owl said:

Thank you.

I know what you're saying about human's being angels. We're all here to help one another as messengers of God's love. Welcome to the forum. 

23 hours ago, simplejeff said:

Does anyone or anything "unclean" get to heaven ?  (no)

Why ?

Ephesians 5:5

 

KJ21

For this ye know: that... nor unclean person, ..., hath any inheritance in the Kingdom of Christ and of God.

What's that have to do with the question of babies going to Heaven? 

That was Darwin's dilemma. The Cambrian explosion. 

Interesting question. If the people left behind were deplorable I'd think they would resort to deplorable acts. Would that make them infertile? That they are under the wrath? Does the Bible have anything to say about that? I've never looked. 

41 minutes ago, Opywang said:

I'm not here to challenge, or to change your belief.  I'm here to share my experience, and if I offend y'all I apologies.  

You need to understand I once was like you, and when I was like y'all I ended up in the hospital.  

I did however found out there is a universal gift from God that is called love.

Love is the only explanation why all have truth, or half truth.

1 Corinthians 13:13
And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

I am not here to challenge your personal relationship with God.    God's holy spirit bestowed the gift of tongues at Pentecost so that all peoples could speak and share the good news of salvation. God communicates to everyone in the framework of his plan. 

The Bible tells us God is love. And those who do not have love do not know God. 

Welcome to the forum. 

9 hours ago, Opywang said:

I was raised Christians, and always have believe in the bible simply because I trust my parent, and my parent was a Christians.

I am some what spiritual, and I am able to discern things from other religions, or denominators.

This is what I found out.

All have truth.

If none had truth then there wouldn't be any followers.

I'm a non denominators, and I was told not to believe other denominators, and there wrong.

Church of Christ
I attack them, and I got  hurt for  attacking them it went through me shot me like an arrow it went through me a few times some type of spiritual attack.  I suffer for 6 month I was in agony it was a horrible pain till one day I heard a voice, and I acknowledge it's God, and we had a chat then the next day God set me free, and stop the torment, and I was free, and the lesson I learn here was that even God love  Church of Christ.

Mormom
I also attack Mormon, and the same thing I suffer for 6 month, but it was a different type of attack than Church of Christ it felt like my own soul was leaving my body, and I fought hard to keep the soul in my body.  After 6 month I realize we just shall live by faith, and after I accept that I felt peace, and started  to improve.

I learn we are all children of God, and we shouldn't attack because of there belief, and we shouldn't try to hurt them, or anything.  I think God is saying he love all no matter what there belief are, and we should love them just as we love ourselves, or something, and maybe God is trying to say we should not divide ourselves so instead get together, or something?

Mark 3:25
If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

What if this verse here is saying get together no matter how crazy thing sound?

 

Of all the worlds religions Christianity is one of the younger ones. I don't think God condemns people for asking questions while Christian. There are many curiosities as to what we're asked to believe. And there are many mistakes in thinking the Bible is not a tome of idioms, allegories, parables, metaphor, in order to lead us to see deeper into the way and the ways of God. 

Like asking, why due to rampant sin did God decide to drown the world? Including babies and pregnant women? Why didn't God just kill Satan first? 

It's a mystery. 

But it is also a question that you're worthy of asking in my view. 
Welcome.   I hope you last here. 

Carbon 14 isn't the only method of dating. Nor is it today easily dismissed as a method. It would be very odd to argue the earth is not more than 10,000 years of age given all the samples and artifacts we have of strata and cultures spanning tens of thousands of years. Also, what would it say if true concerning the fossilized remains of early humans fossils with regard to the story of the garden of Eden?  

• Illustrative Mathematics:N-Q, S-ID Accuracy of Carbon 14 Dating I

• Carbon Dating Gets a Reset

Climate records from a Japanese lake are providing a more accurate timeline for dating objects as far back as 50,000 years

It's a profound message at this point isn't it?  

22 hours ago, The_Patriot2017 said:

the problem is the dating methods, are highly innacurate-if not false. 

https://answersingenesis.org/geology/carbon-14/doesnt-carbon-14-dating-disprove-the-bible/

There's going to be supporting arguments for the YE idea of course. The mistake as I see it is thinking in human terms of time and God's clock of creation. We believe 6 literal days and yet we're not even on God's calendar now. We're living according to man's calendars across the ages. Gregorian, etc... 

Earth is millions of years old, humanity is in the hundreds of thousands. We argue God created everything and then we conflict over whether or not God followed a literal 7 day week? As if time as we know it is infinite and universal. The bible tells us God doesn't think the way we do. We think God created according to our belief in clocked time? 

23 hours ago, JohnD said:

People go to hell for one (and only one) reason:

John 3:18 (AV)
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

Hell is an issue for man first because God having created it for the devil and his angels opened it to receive the human souls too. Matt:25:41

I'd not even think to expend the effort. If dated fossils millions of years old aren't convincing that's pretty self assured. 

5 minutes ago, TheMatrixHasU71 said:

But the article starting this thread was all about Christians fleeing Isis in Egypt.

I know that. You posted a guarantee that Trudeau wouldn't let them in. Not specific as to "them" but you introduced Canada's Trudeau apart from the OP article. That's how this thread go to the point of pointing out Canada's call to take the refugees the U.S refuses. Remember?

God calls people to be saved. Are we going to treat people poorly as avowed public Christians and think that behavior is going to inspire people to follow the Jesus teaching that made us act that way? 

14 minutes ago, TheMatrixHasU71 said:

Like I said. NO Christians. Trudeau doesn't want them, he wants Muslims. I wasn't speaking of the others.

You didn't specify Christians in the remarks I quoted of yours. The article is about those the U.S. turns away. That would be Muslims and others. 

I just thought of this. Is this even in the right section? Should it be in advice forums? 

Are there young earth opiners here? Just asking before delving further into the article. Thanks.   

42 minutes ago, other one said:

You should not read this site much less believe what it is saying unless you are a member of the KKK or some other group like them.  What they post there is simply not true.  

I am not standing up for the Talmud for it is also deceiving and anti Christian

, but this is way beyond deceiving.

 

Would such a position be demonstrated in a site if it stated the Talmud is not the word of God? Or scripture? I ask because I'm not familiar with that site till this thread.

1 hour ago, OneLight said:

The Talmud is not scripture, so what does that matter?[/quote]

It should be very concerning and matter to anyone who reads that error. Nothing proceeds when wrong is first.