When Is Jesus Coming?

Tiberius had not taken over the country at all in fact under Augustus' direction Tiberius received the position of Quaestor which was a low ranking political position. Historians take reigns from when they are made official, Luke would have done like wise and as said it matches the other two dates that the Bible gives. (Did you read them in my post). As for the 3 Passovers that too has been explained: John’s record of the Jewish feasts helps to build a chronology of Jesus’ ministry: John 2:13 When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. John 5:1 After these things there was a feast of the Jews, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. John 6:4 Now the Passover, the feast of the Jews, was near. John 7:2 + 10 2 But when the Jewish Festival of Tabernacles was near, 10 he also went, not publicly, but in secret. John 10:22 Then came the Festival of Dedication (Hanukkah) at Jerusalem. It was winter, John 12:12-13 12 The next day the great crowd that had come for the festival (Passover) heard that Jesus was on his way to Jerusalem. Clearly John thought these were important to record but this is only two years worth of festivals, unless the second unnamed feast is taken to be a Passover as well. However, this would just be speculation and it would also not make chronological sense of the feasts as they actually occur through the Jewish religious year i.e: Passover, Shavuot, Tabernacles, Hanukkah, Passover and so on . . . Instead we have: Passover, a feast, Passover, Tabernacles, Hanukkah, Passover. If the unnamed feast was Shavuot (Pentecost) it would make more sense but the second Passover listed would still seem out of place and also does not explain why the other feasts Jesus would have had to attend over a supposed two years were not mentioned. However, the reason John 6:4 is there is simply because it was added into the texts during the early history of the New Testament and for which there exists physical evidence; A thirteenth century manuscript called Minuscule 472 housed in the Lambeth Palace library in London, has an editor’s mark next to John 6:4 indicating that there were other manuscripts that had this verse missing from them but the scribe had decided to add the verse anyway, as they also had a manuscript that included John 6:4 which was considered either older or more reliable. This manuscript is not alone, a second (fourteenth century) manuscript called Minuscule 1634, housed at Great Lavra Monastery on Mount Athos, in Greece, also has a similar editor’s note made next to verse John 6:4, indicating that other manuscripts in the copyists possession were missing John 6:4. This discrepancy can also be traced back to the writings of the early church fathers of the first few century’s. The first recorded mention of the length of Jesus’ ministry was made by Irenaeus, Bishop of Gaul in France b.130AD d.202AD who was the first to state Jesus had gone up to Jerusalem on three separate Passovers, stating somewhat sarcastically; “To be sure all the world will agree that three Passovers are not included in a single year.” It’s not known if he was referring to John 5:1, the un-named feast, or John 6:4 (If indeed John 6:4 was even there at this time?). If it was John 5:1 then he is assuming the mentioned feast was a Passover which was just speculation and if he meant John 6:4, then this again throws up all the problems as previously mentioned. Many of the early church fathers continued to debate in favour of the one year ministry, most notably Clement Bishop of Alexandria b.150 AD d.215 AD was one of the first to counter the notion of a more than one year ministry. However, Origen Bishop of Alexandria b.184 AD d.253 AD in his book ‘Contra Celsum’, written in 248 AD stated that he was satisfied that a case could be made for a three year ministry of Jesus. This seems to be where the error first crept into the theology of the early church, as from then on there was an ever increasing amount of debate over the length of Jesus’ ministry, which didn’t seem to be an issue before these initial remarks. But it was Eusebius b.263 AD d.339 AD Bishop of Caesarea from 313 AD to 339 AD, who perhaps promoted this theory more than anyone else. He stated that Jesus’ ministry was between three to four years long and that this was the fulfilment of the first half of Daniel’s prophetic end times seven years: Daniel 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. Eusebius then suggested that the last half of the seven years was from Jesus’ death until the baptism of Cornelius the Roman solider, recorded in the book of Acts chapter 10. In his written exegesis on the book of Daniel, Eusebius suggests that the first definite Gentile believer, Cornelius, was the ultimate fulfilment of Daniel’s prophecy and suggested that this was God’s way of passing the ministry and mission that Jesus had begun, onto the Roman Catholic Church and its Bishops. His theory also diminished the role of the Jewish people, who he saw as having rejected Christianity. Most ironically and somewhat disturbingly, is that the seven year prophecy is actually describing what the Anti-Christ will do in the last seven years before Jesus returns and this last seven years is still awaiting fulfilment. After the error had crept in and grew in acceptance, others continued to try and argue the case back for the one year ministry, such as Sulpicius Sererus who died in 410 AD. In his work ‘Historia Sacra’ he stated Jesus’ ministry was one year in length and that He was 31 years old at His crucifixion. Although not alone in voicing the one year ministry the three and a half year theory, along with Eusebius’ Roman Catholic ‘boosting’ yet unfounded theology began to be generally accepted throughout both the eastern and western halves of Roman Catholic Christendom. Although numerous writings throughout the last two thousand years have tried to put straight the dates for Jesus’ ministry, the battle between truth and tradition continues. Yet God has left us a trail of clues to help re-establish Jesus’ ministry as only being just over a year in length, thus fulfilling this prophecy: Isaiah 61:2 to proclaim the year of the LORD’S favour.

Sorry about that but that is a basic fact. I am shocked you could make that mistake. However, 3 hours ago you had it correct. Why was that, another typo?

Oh my God you think they are the same year! (But in your first list of years you have it correct, i.e. 1BC - 1AD). What are you saying?

Ignore that, focus on the bit I am explaining. here Take a look at this time line diagram below: God's week (year 1)------------------------------------(today) Roman week (46BC)---------(today)The Romans implemented the current calendar's 7 day week we use today in 46BC before this date they used a very strange calendar that had 8 day weeks plus an extra day for market (making 9 day weeks) and it only had 10 months! Now the important bit is the Romans did NOT make sure that the new 7 day week of the new Julian calendar that we use today was synchronised to match the Jewish 7 day week used by the Jews in Israel. Does that make sense? Here is some info on the old Roman 8/9 day week calendar and the Julian calendar that we use today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_calendarThe chances of the current 7 day week matching the Jewish week is only a 1 in 7 chance. Are you able to find the evidence that shows the Greek Mathematician Sosigenes (who Julius Caesar employed to create the Julian Calendar) got these two different calendar weeks to match up? Because no one else can!

Sorry, I'm tiered. I've been at this all day and am about to go to bed. I will try not get uppity in future.

If you understood the OP (and all the other explanations) you would understand.

I did say forgive me.

No. For various reasons. The main one being that God's Sabbaths were actually fixed to a lunar solar calendar and so were not even on a 'rolling week' system like the Julian calendar's Sabbath is. But I doubt you will understand/believe this for same ironic reason you gave in your last post (Forgive my jaded rudeness but because of that ingrained defiance against God's order and design I have had a hard time trying to get anyone to understand this). However, if you wish to try and understand it further here is more info on God's Lunar-Solar Sabbath Calendar: https://guidetothebible.wordpress.com/sabbath-isnt-on-sun-or-sat/

Take a look at this time line diagram below: God's week (year 1)------------------------------------(today) Roman week (46BC)---------(today)The Romans implemented the current calendar's 7 day week we use today in 46BC before this date they used a very strange calendar that had 8 day weeks plus an extra day for market (making 9 day weeks) and it only had 10 months! Now the important bit is the Romans did NOT make sure that the new 7 day week of the new Julian calendar that we use today was synchronised to match the Jewish 7 day week used by the Jews in Israel. Does that make sense? Here is some info on the old Roman 8/9 day week calendar and the Julian calendar that we use today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_calendarThe chances of the current 7 day week matching the Jewish week is only a 1 in 7 chance. Are you able to find the evidence that shows the Greek Mathematician Sosigenes (who Julius Caesar employed to create the Julian Calendar) got these two different calendar weeks to match up? Because no one else can!

It is, you just didn't understand it. BTW I meant; 'You did not understand the OP. I'm NOT talking about anything you've mentioned.' But I think you got that.

blasphēmía (from blax, "sluggish/slow," and phḗmē, "reputation, fame") – blasphemy – literally, slow (sluggish) to call something good (that really is good) – and slow to identify what is truly bad (that really is evil). Blasphemy (blasphēmía) "switches" right for wrong (wrong for right), i.e. calls what God disapproves, "right" which "exchanges the truth of God for a lie" (Romans 1:25). http://biblehub.com/greek/988.htm Romans 1:25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen. To Blaspheme the Holy Spirit is to literally reject it as evil. Without the Holy Spirit you cannot ultimately enter Heaven: John 3:5 Jesus answered, "Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

I believe it will. On the 6000th year. Jesus died in 30 AD on the 4000th year.

You're ignoring the 3 dates that the Bible actually does give. I can't help you either.

No: 11th Sept 3BC = Jesus Born 2BC = Jesus is 1 years old 1BC = 2 years old 1AD = 3 11 AD = 13 21 AD = 23 11th Sept 28 AD = 30 years old and Jesus begins His ministry soon after this. 11th Sept 29 AD = 31 years old 7th April 30 AD = 31.5 years old and Jesus dies: The 7th April 30 AD was the 14th Aviv: http://www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?PYM=Y30M1 Friday - Saturday Sabbath is Pagan (you need the Luni-Solar Calendar to know when the Sabbaths are, a teaching for another time).

Well you never explained where in the Bible it says Herod died in 4BC. Lets try and deal with what the Bible does say about when Jesus started his ministry: Tiberius' reign was not made official till a month after Augustus death (19/8/14AD) when The Senate convened on 18 September 14AD to validate Tiberius's position as Princep and, as it had done with Augustus before, extend the powers of the position to him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiberius I believe the Bible when Luke wrote: Luke 3:1-3 1 In the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, when Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea, Herod tetrarch of Galilee, his brother Philip tetrarch of Iturea and Traconitis, and Lysanias tetrarch of Abilene, 2 during the high priesthood of Annas and Caiaphas, the word of God came to John son of Zechariah in the wilderness. 3 He went into all the country around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. Therefore the 15th year was from 18th September 28AD to 18th September 29AD, which matches with this verse: John 2:20 They replied, “It has taken forty six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” This was said to Jesus when He cleared the temple before the first Passover of His ministry, history records Herod became king in 37 BC and Josephus records Herod began to rebuild the temple in his 18th year, which was therefore from 20 to 19 BC. Adding 46 years to this arrives at 27 to 28 AD and thus the 47th year in which this was said was from 28 to 29AD. And lastly it also ties in with this verse: Luke 3:23 Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. It can be known that Jesus was born on 11th September 3BC and therefore He turned 30 on the 11th September 29AD. Jesus died on the 7th April 30AD after ministry that only lasted just over a year: http://historical-jesus.info/appb.html Isaiah 61:2to proclaim the year of the LORD’S favour.

Hey I'm just putting that fact out there, no need to criticise me for telling like it is. As for the 3 Passovers that too has been explained: John’s record of the Jewish feasts helps to build a chronology of Jesus’ ministry: John 2:13 When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. John 5:1 After these things there was a feast of the Jews, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. John 6:4 Now the Passover, the feast of the Jews, was near. John 7:2 + 10 2 But when the Jewish Festival of Tabernacles was near, 10 he also went, not publicly, but in secret. John 10:22 Then came the Festival of Dedication (Hanukkah) at Jerusalem. It was winter, John 12:12-13 12 The next day the great crowd that had come for the festival (Passover) heard that Jesus was on his way to Jerusalem. Clearly John thought these were important to record but this is only two years worth of festivals, unless the second unnamed feast is taken to be a Passover as well. However, this would just be speculation and it would also not make chronological sense of the feasts as they actually occur through the Jewish religious year i.e: Passover, Shavuot, Tabernacles, Hanukkah, Passover and so on . . . Instead we have: Passover, a feast, Passover, Tabernacles, Hanukkah, Passover. If the unnamed feast was Shavuot (Pentecost) it would make more sense but the second Passover listed would still seem out of place and also does not explain why the other feasts Jesus would have had to attend over a supposed two years were not mentioned. However, the reason John 6:4 is there is simply because it was added into the texts during the early history of the New Testament and for which there exists physical evidence; A thirteenth century manuscript called Minuscule 472 housed in the Lambeth Palace library in London, has an editor’s mark next to John 6:4 indicating that there were other manuscripts that had this verse missing from them but the scribe had decided to add the verse anyway, as they also had a manuscript that included John 6:4 which was considered either older or more reliable. This manuscript is not alone, a second (fourteenth century) manuscript called Minuscule 1634, housed at Great Lavra Monastery on Mount Athos, in Greece, also has a similar editor’s note made next to verse John 6:4, indicating that other manuscripts in the copyists possession were missing John 6:4. This discrepancy can also be traced back to the writings of the early church fathers of the first few century’s. The first recorded mention of the length of Jesus’ ministry was made by Irenaeus, Bishop of Gaul in France b.130AD d.202AD who was the first to state Jesus had gone up to Jerusalem on three separate Passovers, stating somewhat sarcastically; “To be sure all the world will agree that three Passovers are not included in a single year.” It’s not known if he was referring to John 5:1, the un-named feast, or John 6:4 (If indeed John 6:4 was even there at this time?). If it was John 5:1 then he is assuming the mentioned feast was a Passover which was just speculation and if he meant John 6:4, then this again throws up all the problems as previously mentioned. Many of the early church fathers continued to debate in favour of the one year ministry, most notably Clement Bishop of Alexandria b.150 AD d.215 AD was one of the first to counter the notion of a more than one year ministry. However, Origen Bishop of Alexandria b.184 AD d.253 AD in his book ‘Contra Celsum’, written in 248 AD stated that he was satisfied that a case could be made for a three year ministry of Jesus. This seems to be where the error first crept into the theology of the early church, as from then on there was an ever increasing amount of debate over the length of Jesus’ ministry, which didn’t seem to be an issue before these initial remarks. But it was Eusebius b.263 AD d.339 AD Bishop of Caesarea from 313 AD to 339 AD, who perhaps promoted this theory more than anyone else. He stated that Jesus’ ministry was between three to four years long and that this was the fulfilment of the first half of Daniel’s prophetic end times seven years: Daniel 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. Eusebius then suggested that the last half of the seven years was from Jesus’ death until the baptism of Cornelius the Roman solider, recorded in the book of Acts chapter 10. In his written exegesis on the book of Daniel, Eusebius suggests that the first definite Gentile believer, Cornelius, was the ultimate fulfilment of Daniel’s prophecy and suggested that this was God’s way of passing the ministry and mission that Jesus had begun, onto the Roman Catholic Church and its Bishops. His theory also diminished the role of the Jewish people, who he saw as having rejected Christianity. Most ironically and somewhat disturbingly, is that the seven year prophecy is actually describing what the Anti-Christ will do in the last seven years before Jesus returns and this last seven years is still awaiting fulfilment. After the error had crept in and grew in acceptance, others continued to try and argue the case back for the one year ministry, such as Sulpicius Sererus who died in 410 AD. In his work ‘Historia Sacra’ he stated Jesus’ ministry was one year in length and that He was 31 years old at His crucifixion. Although not alone in voicing the one year ministry the three and a half year theory, along with Eusebius’ Roman Catholic ‘boosting’ yet unfounded theology began to be generally accepted throughout both the eastern and western halves of Roman Catholic Christendom. Although numerous writings throughout the last two thousand years have tried to put straight the dates for Jesus’ ministry, the battle between truth and tradition continues. Yet God has left us a trail of clues to help re-establish Jesus’ ministry as only being just over a year in length, thus fulfilling this prophecy: Isaiah 61:2 to proclaim the year of the LORD’S favour.

Yes that is God's week but where is the evidence that it matches up to the week created by Julius Caesar. Why can't anyone understand the simplicity of what I am saying? The Julian calendar does not use God's week!

Augustus was not his father (stepfather, father-in-law, and adoptive father) and Tiberius had not taken over the country at all in fact under Augustus' direction Tiberius received the position of Quaestor which was a low ranking political position. Historians take reigns from when they are made official, Luke would have done like wise and as said it matches the other two date that the Bible gives. I trust the bible.

Yep Herod died in 1BC but Tiberius' reign was not made official till a month after Augustus death (19/8/14AD) when The Senate convened on 18 September 14AD to validate Tiberius's position as Princep and, as it had done with Augustus before, extend the powers of the position to him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiberius I believe the Bible when Luke wrote: Luke 3:1-3 1 In the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, when Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea, Herod tetrarch of Galilee, his brother Philip tetrarch of Iturea and Traconitis, and Lysanias tetrarch of Abilene, 2 during the high priesthood of Annas and Caiaphas, the word of God came to John son of Zechariah in the wilderness. 3 He went into all the country around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. Therefore the 15th year was from 18th September 28AD to 18th September 29AD, which matches with this verse: John 2:20 They replied, “It has taken forty six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” This was said to Jesus when He cleared the temple before the first Passover of His ministry, history records Herod became king in 37 BC and Josephus records Herod began to rebuild the temple in his 18th year, which was therefore from 20 to 19 BC. Adding 46 years to this arrives at 27 to 28 AD and thus the 47th year in which this was said was from 28 to 29AD. And lastly it also ties in with this verse: Luke 3:23 Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. It can be known that Jesus was born on 11th September 3BC and therefore He turned 30 on the 11th September 29AD. Jesus died on the 7th April 30AD after ministry that only lasted just over a year: http://historical-jesus.info/appb.html Isaiah 61:2to proclaim the year of the LORD’S favour.

Urrr I think you need a calculator; 3BC to 29AD is 31 years not 25 years. Anyway Jesus died in 30AD 7th April (14th Aviv).

Not interested in your opinion. I want to from someone else who can understand the OP.

Again no evidence and you simply can't understand the links or the OP. Is there really no one here with the intelligence to understand the OP?

Again no evidence, surely if you were right and that I am so wrong, it would be easy for you to supply a link to the relevant historical information but you can't. On the other hand I can easily supply evidence to show that I am right like the links already provided and this for example: http://www.jewfaq.org/calendar.htm Or this: https://www.worldslastchance.com/yahuwahs-calendar/constantine-hillel-two-men-who-deceived-the-whole-world.html

That's another error on you time line, Herod died in 1BC: https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/jesus-historical-jesus/herods-death-jesus-birth-and-a-lunar-eclipse/ Jesus' birth: https://goodnessofgodministries.wordpress.com/2011/12/22/when-was-jesus-christ-born-the-bible-says-september-11-3bc-the-day-of-the-feast-of-trumpets/ Jesus' 1 year ministry (16 months): http://historical-jesus.info/appb.html The above are just a snippet of the information available.

There is no evidence that the Jews or Jesus used the Julian calendar, not until 359 AD. If however you can show me some evidence they were using it as you say then please show me. I would be happy to accept any evidence you can find. Thank you.