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16 hours ago, Joulre2abba said:

What I was describing was how to tell the difference between your own thoughts and the direction of the Lord. I wasn't talking about speaking in tongues as such but how to co-operate with the Holy Spirit when speaking in tongues.

 

 

The OP is about speaking in the gift of tongues, and that is what I addressed!

6 hours ago, missmuffet said:

The wicked are the unbelievers. Those who adhere to this world. 

Not always...there are those who did get saved at one time in their lives, and who still believe in God, but do not walk in obedience to Him. The idea that all one has to do in order to have eternal life is simply believe in Christ, is false doctrine. Therefore, even one who believes can still be wicked and on their way to eternal fire.

Blessings

10 hours ago, Starise said:

All of us, even believers turn from God from time to time and need to confess sin. Therefore it can be said all men are evil(wicked). Only God can change a man and believers are NOT immediately changed as some might think. The Lord works in and through us every day usually over time. This has certainly been the case with me and I have read other's testimony on Worthy that basically says the same thing.

The only hole anyone is digging is the hole that says we are not evil at times.

The main difference between the continually wicked and the occasionally evil believer is the work of Christ. We RUN to the Father. They run FROM the Father. We REPENT, they REJECT.

The continually wicked have no inclination to change. If we were to say a person is controlled by wickedness, they have long rejected God and God has given them over to be deceived. 

The scriptures tell us some accept a form of godliness but reject the power, the true essence of following Christ, and of course you can't follow something you totally reject. Still others will say there is a Christ, however they will not acknowledge the full extent of who Christ is. Both groups have rejected their only hope for salvation.

How does this tie into wickedness? Because to reject Christ with no desire to follow Him is to default to a wicked blinded state. This is the default state of all men. The realization we are sinners and need a savior comes only from God.

The bible says, the is NONE righteous, no not one. It makes more sense to look at the gospel as redeemed and not redeemed. Our only justification is through Christ and none other.

The Father of the Godhead  said very plainly there is only one way to Him- Through Christ Jesus. No shortcuts, no religious activities, no good intentions. God is no respecter of persons. We won't get into God's very presence through religious practice. That was the old way. The new way is Christ. Only God can take the blinders off of some people.

They might FEEL like they are doing the right things and go straight to the hot place because they rejected Christ.

For anyone reading this, is this a gamble you really want to take? Shouldn't this at least make you stop to think it's well worth an investigation? 

 

You are misaddressing the OP. Sure, people will slip up and fall to sin from time to time, but if we understand what Scripture teaches on the subject (particularly in I John), then all that you have stated above is indeed misplaced...or perhaps you misunderstand.

As long as one is abiding in Christ by practicing righteousness (that is, doing what is right in God's eyes according to I John 3:23-24), then that person is still considered by God to be righteous, not wicked...even though he may fall to sin here and there. It is the one who decides (or is lead astray) to stop practicing what is right in God's eyes who becomes wicked again.

Blessings.

Many people today have a problem...they take Biblical stances and make them into political ones.

God says not to kill the innocent, for us today that includes the unborn massacered in abortion.

God says that homosexuality (in all of its flavors) is an abominaiton, for us today that means we as Christ followers are not to vote for so-called LGBTQ rights or any of that other nonsense.

But, people take these things as political issues...so-called Christians vote for political parties that not only support these things, but who also fight on a daily basis to keep them "legal" in America.

It doesn't matter what is legal if it directly contradicts God's Word...and Scripture tells us in no uncertain terms that voting for such people (supporting their cause) makes you a participant in their sinful actions. So, when you believe the lies and vote for politicians, for whatever reasons, who fight for abortion...the blood of those innocent victims are on YOUR hands as a participant, just as much as if you were in the abortion room helping the physician murder that baby.

Don't think that God will not judge you for your support of such actions!

The Word of God only affirms TRUE science...not lies made up and called science!

Blessings!

On 12/22/2021 at 9:00 AM, The Barbarian said:

The Ediacaran Period ( /iː. diˈæk. ... rən/ ee-dee-AK-ə-rən) is a geological period that spans 94 million years from the end of the Cryogenian Period 635 million years ago (Mya), to the beginning of the Cambrian Period 541 Mya.

https://www.google.com/search?channel=cus5&client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Ediacaran+

One can accurately describe 94,000,000 years in a lot of different ways, but "sudden" is not one of them.  Add about 10 million years for the early C.ambrian.

Except for the FACT that the earth is not millions of years old. The geological record is horribly misinterpreted when the world-wide flood is not taken into account, and when fossil markers are utilized by geologists (according to evolutionist's false time scales) in order to determine the age of strata.

The current geological strata column is wholly man made up in order to support the false time scale claims of evolutionists. When Dawkins says that all we have to do is imagine as many millions of years as we need to in order to imagine something in the evolutionary story-telling to come about through "evolutionary processes," he takes evolutionary theory outside of the scientific arena.

Science is NOT about imagining what it would take, and how long it might take for organism A to speciate into organism B...science is about facts divorced from speculation in the end so that only the facts remain. TOE has no facts supporting it, and all claims that it is nothing but facts are found to be outright lies when they get called out on those lies.

On 8/21/2018 at 5:10 PM, Guest shiloh357 said:

If Evolution is true, and birds came from dinosaurs, then what is the evidence that mutations create brand new information in the genes of living organisms causing them to evolve into a completely different species?

It isn't true...and there is no evidence for it because it isn't true!

The Founder Effect has nothing to do with evolution...and there is no such thing as speciation (defined as one species changing into another species), there is adaptation, but adaptation does not equal speciation.

There has never been a codified speciation event ever recorded in science...ever. When an organism has "changed" in order (for example) to feed upon nylon where before it could not, that was adaptation - the turning on of a gene the organism already had fully formed within its genome, previously unexpressed - and that is not evolution.

We have no clear cut fossils demonstrating speciation, or any change within organisms to match what TOEists claim is evolution and speciation. All of those given by TOEists in their articles and books, when fully scrutinized and examined, are not what they claim.

Pure nonsense...you are reading fairy tale books again.

So...you choose to believe that a wolf-like creature went back into the sea and became the ancestors of dophins and whales...wow, it appears that you have swallowed the bait hook, line, and sinker. This is pure evolutionary just-so stories based upon adding assumptions to the facts of what we know for sure.

If there ever was true transitional fossils recording the gradual change from one animal into another, then there would be no more debate on the subject. Sadly, for what you are purporting, there is none...which was the whole reason punctuated equilibrium (PE) was developed. 

God made all animals in the beginning, there is no such thing as evolution. There is adaptation, but that is not the main point of evolution doctrine. You are believing the nonsense without using your brain to think about what these people are actually saying.

For example, you cannot live without a thyroid gland...so how many billions of years did it take, piecemeal by piecemeal change, to give the animal that would some day become a man, a thyroid gland? We can say the same about any and every part of the human body. If evolution was a fact, YOU would NOT be here to talk about it!

You cannot live without a heart, or your lungs, or your mouth, or your brain, etc, etc, etc. When we stop and use our brains to think about what these "scientists" (I use the term loosely) tell us about "evolution," when we apply what we know today about biological systems and creatures, there would be nothing on the earth alive with the possible single exception of plants (IF that).

On 5/13/2022 at 3:31 PM, The Barbarian said:

In any open system, heat flows from areas of high temperature to areas of low temperature.    In this way, there must be ways to transfer both energy and matter toward reducing the gradient between the two.   So long as the sun shines and radioactive elements decay in the Earth core, there will continue to be energy gradients driving living systems and evolutionary processes.

The remarkable but not miraculous arrangements of living matter provide another example, along with cycling hurricanes and chemical clocks of how nature builds structures to reduce gradients.

Lynn Marguls, Aquiring Genomes

It seems that nature and thermodynamic processes where produced precisely to make these complex phenomena happen in His universe.

 

Lynn Margules has been demonstrated to be a crack pot...the entire solar system (and cosmos, for that matter) is a closed system, which is where we get the verified thermodynamic law addressing time's arrow. The universe was created at its fullest potential, and is slowly winding down, which the laws of thermodynamics dictate and demonstrate. Eventually, there will be no more energy left in the cosmos if God allows it to tarry long enough, and all will die.

The stars will burn out, including our sun, and all life will cease to exist. Also, there are no such things as "evolutionary processes" because there is no such thing as evolution in the way TOEists use the term today. We have physical, biological processes, very well demonstrated and studied for 100 years now...and all of those processes demonstrate a Creator, not life coming into existence through natural causes.

On 5/8/2022 at 9:41 AM, The Barbarian said:

Information, in a living population, is the amount of information for each gene locus.    Since most genes have a number of alleles (different versions of the gene) the total information for that gene would be found by multiplying the frequency of each allele by the log of the frequency of each allele, and then summing all the products.   

Hence, every new mutation increases the information in a population.    Which is evolution, i.e. a change in allele frequency in a population over time.    Demonstration of this will be provided if requested.

It often the case that isolated populations have lower information than larger ones for the obvious reason.    And these are often where speciation occurs.   Following speciation, mutation often greatly increases information, for example as in Hawaiian flies and Darwin's finches.

 

There are a number or problems with your take here, first of which is the false definition of evolution (which evolutionists use 5 different definitions depending upon what they are pushing TOE to be). Genetic change within a population is nothing more than expressed genes previously dormant because they were not needed (the difference between a valley goat and a mountain goat - they are both the same goat, only different genes are expressed for longer shaggier fur, larger hooves, etc).

Genes are expressed because they are triggered by environmental cues, not because of mutations...you apparently have been reading too many evolution propaganda books. New mutations do not add information to DNA, they only add nonsense (whether repeats, additions, or substitutions, which includes silent mutations). There are many very well written books by actual scientists that demonstrate the farce of molecules to man evolution...I would highly suggest that you pick some up and read the facts, rather than reading TOEist assumptions mixed with those facts.

Blessings!

Actually, Scripture tells you that God did create water, just not directly (He didn't speak water into existence).

Creation scientists have demonstrated a number of times that when God spoke matter (light) into existence, the by-product of that matter was water vapor, which Genesis then tells us He gathered together into one place while forming the earth.

To say that God did not create water, is to have a faulty understanding of what Scripture actually teaches. When Scripture says that God created all things...that is EXACTLY what it means...and water is part of that "all things!"

Blessings

Actually, this is not completely accurate. Walking in the Spirit, and "access by faith" does not mean anything close to what each means. One walks in the Spirit, according to Paul, by renewing his mind with godly things so that he can do the will of the Spirit, this is what he says in Romans 8:5 according to a more accurate rendering of the Greek:

"Because those who walk according to the flesh, conform their minds to do the will of their flesh; but those who walk according to the Spirit, conform their minds to do the will of the Spirit."

The verse which speaks about access by faith (Romans 5:2) directly speaks to remaining in saving grace...it has nothing to do with walking in the Spirit. 

Blessings.

On 8/8/2022 at 1:05 PM, missmuffet said:

What does it mean to really and truly love God? 

That depends upon whether you are talking about emotional love, or Biblical love.

Scripture tells us that we love God by walking in obedience to Him...so if a person claims to be a Christian, but does not walk in obedience to God, he is a liar or self deceived.

We can come to love God emotionally, but like all other things, that emotional love follows (and is fed by) obedience to Him. The more we walk in obedience to Him, and the more time we spend with Him in His presence in prayer and worship, then the more we will come to know Him intimately and that leads to emotional love for God.

Blessings!

Humility is not truth...truth is truth. The truth is made up of the facts on whatever subject matter one is discussing...it has nothing to do with humility...at all.

9 hours ago, Ghostdog said:

i was wondering if God can see all outcomes of every possible future. i know He is all knowing, can see the begining and the end so to me it makes sense

Firstly, thinking that there are more universes where different outcomes are possibilities is pure science fiction, there is no such thing. God knows the future, there is only one future, not many. Since there is only one future and not many, there is only one future for Him to know!

Blessings!

Well...you dug yourself into a hole here. This is what God tells you that a wicked person is:

Malachi 3:18
Then once more you shall see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between one who serves God and one who does not serve him.
 

God's definition of a wicked person, is someone who is not serving Him.

Blessings.

On 1/5/2021 at 11:27 PM, Riverwalker said:

 The need for an old Testament style prophet was no longer needed 50 days after the Resurrection, because that is when the Holy Spirit came to all believers. Now we know longer need a man to tell us the will of God, We have God dwelling in us, and speaking to us

But sometimes we do need an echo

Someone to confirm what God is TRYING to tell us.

 

So there are no Oracles, No Holy men preaching revelations of the Lord

 

There are people preaching the word, speaking for right and against wrong, and helping the believer whether they require a pat on the back or a boot to the butt

 

The problem with this kind of mentality, is that "OT style prophets" are still around today. The word in Greek is prophetes, and it defines two distinct types of speaking: fore-telling (future events) and forth-telling, which is basically kind of like preaching, only the person is speaking directly from God (or, to put it in better terms, God is speaking directly through that person in that moment in time).

The problem with thinking that we have God dwelling inside of us, so we can automatically know His will, is that YOU have to be in tune with God, walking in the Spirit, walking in obedience to Him, and sensitive to His voice. The problem here, is that I have not met too many people in my 50 years that walk that closely with God.

This is also why God has given teachers to the church (Eph. 4:11-14) even after giving us the Spirit...because more times than not, people do not want to hear what God is telling them, therefore we have teachers. 

As far as the claim that there are no oracles speaking revelations of the Lord, if you mean revelation of new information that is supposed to be akin to Scripture, then you are correct. But if you mean that I cannot speak to you what God has told me, for your benefit so that you can correct your behavior...then you are out on a limb and about to fall out of the tree!

Blessings!

On 11/24/2020 at 8:44 PM, Paul James said:

As a matter of interest and information, I automatically reject all unsolicited personal prophecies, because they are most likely to contain a spirit of divination that could attack me in my body and my spirit.   I don't even put the ones that might seem relevant on the back burner because of the same reason.  I keep myself safe by totally and verbally renouncing them, and I would advice others to do the same.

Then what do you do with the passage where Paul tells you NOT to despise prophecy? I will admit that there are false prophets out there, and because of that John tells us to test the spirits by which those prophets (the word also means teachers) to discover whether or not they are speaking by the Holy Spirit, or out of their own carnal minds, or by demons.

On 3/1/2022 at 2:30 PM, Prycejosh1987 said:

Interestingly Jesus sent out 70 disciples who cast out demons and performed low level miracles. They did not have the Holy Spirit to my knowledge. The Holy Spirit changes lifestyle and mentality. It changes spiritual focus and puts it all to the importance of Christ. Without the Holy Spirit we can do certain things, but who we are is defined on nature, spiritual nature, to have the Holy Spirit is to be like God in persona, and characteristic identity. 

We cannot use what the disciples did before the cross, because Christ gave them specific power and authority to do what He told them to do. You and I do not have that same power and authority (we DO have it, but it is given through the New Covenant and subject to one remaining in that covenant). 

And there is a slight modification to your other statements: The Holy Spirit does NOT change anything about you...He leads us in thought and heart to make changes ourselves, and when we make the decision to change something, then He gives us the power to do so. And...no...no one is like God in persona, that is false. We can partake of the divine nature by spending quality time with God in prayer, in His immediate presence, and begin to manifest the shared, communicable attributes of God...which are the fruits of the Spirit.

No one can take on God as an identity...unless you worded that incorrectly and meant something else.

Blessings.

On 5/24/2022 at 3:41 AM, Joulre2abba said:

- "it is the Spirit who is speaking the tongue through the person as well as the interpretation"

A: Those words can give people the idea that they don't do the speaking but rather the Holy Spirit does.

To that idea is the reply. No. The Holy Spirit gives the utterance awareness to the person from within their inner man, and it is up to them to speak what they hear.

When I say that they speak what they hear, that does not mean that it's audible to the outer ear but it is to the inner ear.

When your inner ear hears it's very much like being aware of your own thoughts. That's why someone might say when they hear it "Was that you, Lord, or was that me?"

It takes getting familiar with what you hear to where you can clearly tell the difference between your thoughts and the Holy Spirit utterance or interpretation. In the same way that you can eventually tell the difference between two different friends or family members who call you over the phone.

 

Nope, what you are describing are those who like to pray out loud in tongues like Paul says NOT to do. They think the words and say them, that is different from the gift of tongues because it is solely the Spirit speaking. You are using physical arguments here from the flesh, not what Scripture gives to us.

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- "If the Holy Spirit is not the one speaking, then there will be no interpretation (unless something hinkie is going on)."

A: The Holy Spirit uses your word knowledge and your level of spiritual understanding to speak to you. The more that you don't know, the less that you will hear from Him.

Most of the time it's those who don't know that usually want to speak an interpretation of a tongue, so it usually ends up being hinkie. That is just immaturity, not evil.

 

Wrong again, that is completely flesh and not spirit. It appears that you have never heard or witnessed the Spirit speaking through someone in tongues and interpretations...it appears that you have only witnessed people speaking in tongues and giving fake interpretations out of their own mind and flesh. The gift of tongues and interpretation is none of that...it is the Spirit speaking directly through that indiviadual(s).

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- "A saved person utilizing their prayer language (tongues) will not give any interpretation, because...as Paul says, he is speaking to God, not to others."

A: Paul said that those who speak in tongues when they're alone can use their faith to receive the interpretation to know.. if they want to.. what they said or get some gist of what it's about.

It works like the public version but it's on a private level. So there is no requirement that it must be interpreted, but, if the person who spoke in tongues wants to know what was said in tongues, then they can use their faith for it.

It's possible that such a private practice gets accurate to where the person is promoted by God to use the method on a public basis.

 

Wrong again...just more flesh speaking here. Paul does not say that you can understand what you are saying in your prayer language; he says that you can have a "knowing" of who you are praying for, but not what you are praying for in the prayer language. That is what we usually call having a burden to pray, but we are not told what we are praying for...that's God's business.

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- "And Paul says that some people don't speak earthly tongues only, but some pray in languages that are not found upon the earth, he calls them "tongues...of angels"

A: All of the tongues that are mysteries.. are not earthly tongues.

The tongues of angels is used during intercessional prayer to speak their language to give them commands in assisting in the matter of what the intercession is about and who it's for.

The person using the tongues of angels will switch to a different sounding utterance that is markedly not like their usual tongues. And the person often doesn't know what they said, but the angel definitely does.

It's all on a secret mystery basis so that the devil doesn't know and therefore his sabotaging everything is reduced.

The person who intercedes should not share with anyone what they prayed about or who for.. unless or until they meet the person that they prayed for and hear their testimony.

The better that the person can keep such secrets the more they will be called upon by God to intercede.

 

Again...wrong! Scripture tells us very plainly that some people's spiritual language is angelic, and some are earthly languages...and we have this evidence throughout the church where the Spirit is actually allowed to speak through us. Sadly, many so-called pentecostals have social clicks in their churches where if you do not speak in tongues, you are not a good christian.

It sounds like those kinds of churches are the only experience that you have, because most of what you have stated is not Scriptural, but wholly from the flesh.

Blessings.

Thanks everyone...I believe I found the answer that I was looking for. So unless you want to continue with your conversations, you can close this thread (I don't know if you do that here, but in other places they do).

Thanks again, blessings!

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On 2/5/2021 at 4:14 AM, popsthebuilder said:

Im sorry, but what do you do with scripture saying to call no man teacher? Surely that includes self right? Thanks.

that's a bit difficult to answer, pops...because Scripture tells us in several places that God ordained teachers in the church...it is as much a ministerial office as is pastor, evangelist, and prophet.

The problem that most widely appears today, is people calling themselves teachers of Scripture who God never called into that specific ministry, they called themselves out of pride or ego or whatever.

When God calls someone into one of the five-fold church leadership ministries (apostle [today's missionary], prophet, evangelist, pastor, teacher) He ordains and qualifies them for the specific ministry He has called them into, gifting them with the specific necessary abilities that are required for the person to be able to do that job. 

Unfortunately today, there are many who call themselves pastors and teachers who God never called, so they do not have the God-given qualifications or gifts or ability to be ABLE to do that job right. This is one reason we have so many false teachings floating around the church landscape today.

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On 2/4/2021 at 5:37 AM, popsthebuilder said:

Like a sanctification process? 

Growth in faith?

Growth in faith and...what many fail to get...coming to have CONFIDENCE in God. One can have faith to heal others and cast out demons, etc...but having confidence in God is another. What I mean is if I know that Scripture tells me to heal the sick (which it does) and I know that God is the one who does that through me as His co-worker...but I don't have confidence in Him, then I can pray for people and they will never get healed because I am not really praying in faith, believing that it will happen.

Does that make sense, or did I word it all wrong?

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On 2/3/2021 at 7:32 PM, Peterlag said:

I disagree. Paul did the same thing I'm doing. Telling folks they cannot bare him teaching them the meat because they are still on the milk. And that all most seem to understand is Jesus Christ and him crucified. It's not about my ego. I'm just telling the truth.

Not trying to be mean or anything, but after you have been studying Scripture for over 35 years accurately, then come tell someone that they don't understand you because you are just so smart in Scripture that you can't dumb it down enough for them to understand what you are saying.

I have met men who were 60+ when I spoke to them about Scripture, and even though they had been studying for light years longer than I, many of their beliefs were wrong because they had been studying Scripture for decades without understanding HOW to accurately read and interpret it. So even then, if one doesn't know how to read and interpret Scripture, he can still be believing is false ideologies.

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