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The mark of the beast is not ALLAH nor the muslim religion.

Allah, he's in there too.

One word for ASCEND in the OT is 'alah'.  

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=H5927&t=KJV

I suppose it too is coincidence that...

Rev. 17:18  The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:

10 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

You just actually made a good point.  I was not supporting her accidental mistake.  She even corrected it.

However she tells truth very often.  which sadly is not always the case with you.  now I did say not always....I seen you say some right things.

Well, the best thing to do is test the truth.  All you have to do is challenge my claims.  I show people WHY I believe what I do.  All I'm doing is showing people how Islam is found in God's Word.  All I'm asking is for you to show me why you believe what you do.  Prove me wrong by doing more than just saying I'm wrong.

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You make outright claims that are false, not all your claims but some.   And you don't listen to anything one says.  The mark of the beast is not ALLAH nor the muslim religion.

You make claims that even more false.   The mark of the beast is on, not under the skin.  The mark of the two horned beast, Sunni and Shia, has Islam written all over it.  Habakkuk has Islam written all over it.  Job, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and ....REVELATION!

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I wont listen to your false teachings, but I do forgive and wont be mean back.   Way too much joy in the LORD and even in being persecuted.

You don't have to listen to anybody.  I know who you're listening to and it's amazing you can't even post a link for me to debunk about this global, unified, all inclusive religion you guys always talk about.  You accuse me of what you want, but I know what I believe and WHY I believe it.  You guys???

But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

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DUE to the most wicked and vile religion ever born.  INTERFIATH.    oh I know the muslim religion is evil to its core too.

Let me enlighten you.  The religion hasn't been born yet, and its formation is no more than a sensationalized pipe dream.  

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BUT INTERFAITH and what it leads the worlds mindset to and WHO it leads the world too.   That will be the greatest tribulation and bloodshed ever seen nor ever will be again.

It amazes me how you continue to tell me that and provide zero evidence.  

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My job is done .  just watned to let you know , I forgive you .  But I do fear for you.

Don't fear for me, I have a connection.

7 minutes ago, Abby-Joy said:

Although that statement is true.... no, that is not the statement I was referring to.  

That's correct and I knew that so you should have quoted it yourself.

25 minutes ago, Davida said:

Can't make my own gas.   I make my own falafels from scratch or I get them from our favorite Jewish restaurant across town.

I wish I knew how. To make falafel that is. It's actually pretty good stuff.  But my point was that we can complain all we want about donating to bad places etc. but the truth is AGAIN you can dig dirt on just about every organization that ask for donations.  Shriners is an honorable cause.  Look at the United Way and Red Cross and see how far you buck goes and the salaries of their top dogs.  When you but gasoline, you might be buying Arab oil that has a history of BAD in IT!  

3 minutes ago, Abby-Joy said:

Go back and read where I clarified what I meant.... that's all, I am not one to argue and debate.  Have a blessed evening. 

You mean this...

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And yes, there is a direct connection with the Jesuits.... catholicism and islam.... not gonna apologize for saying that. 

12 minutes ago, Sojourner414 said:

Reported inappropriate comment.

You're so much into the click aren't you.

13 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

This is such a wonderful song to sing davida.   Jesus is the only goodness we have, and may we live by that SPIRIT .

Sing to the Lord people.   We may have some who just going to hate us, But we know the world hated JESUS FIRST.   SO keep on sounding the alarm.  May more hear it .

It's no wonder Christianity is going down the tubes.  It's no wonder so many find christians as a bunch of judgmental turnoffs.  You guys could care less that Abby was 1,800 years off on one, and 1,400 years off on the other. It's like Christians can't admit mistakes or accept correction anymore. I don't like getting under peoples skin, but I do stand up for what's right.  And what's right is that the Jesuits had absolutely NOTHING to do with the creation of Islam or Catholicism.  It's just like someone was trying to tell me that the futurist view came from a Jesuit.  It's nothing but a bunch of badmouthing because we have a Jesuit Pope!

8 minutes ago, Davida said:

I personally would not give them a dime. People like to say the Shriners do good.  I recall the scripture that says no one is Good but the Father in heaven. So, if Jesus told a follower not to call even Him good, that only the Father in heaven is good - I certainly would not say the false cult of the shriners does "good"- they do charity work but I don't even know how they use the donations that they receive. If the Shriners dedicate themselves to another god , then the work they do does not Glorify God in Heaven.  I am personally careful where I put my money & who uses it, and for what because I feel I need to be & God might hold us accountable for where we gave money to & for what purpose it served in HIS Holy eyes .  Mark 10: 18 17 "As Jesus started on His way, a man ran up and knelt before Him. “Good Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 18“Why do you call Me good? Jesus replied, “No one is good except God alone.

Think about what you just said after buying a tankful of gasoline and a box of falafel.

There are far more inspired books and writings than you think.  I think, as far as BOOKS go, there should be 77, NOT 66 books in the bible.  AND> An entire book doesn't have to be inspired in order for it to have inspired writings.  I think were missing out on a lot because of this.

47 minutes ago, Abby-Joy said:

And yes, there is a direct connection with the Jesuits.... catholicism and islam.... not gonna apologize for saying that.  But that isn't really what this thread is about.  My answer is simply ... NO, I do not and will not donate o the Shriners! 

I would donate if I was loaded.  You can dig dirt on anybody, and as far as the Masons go, there's been a whole lot of dirt unjustly dug on them by the Protestants.  Hey after all, Protestants on this forum tell us the anti-Christ will come from within the Church.  That's better than digging dirt, that's digging your own grave.

42 minutes ago, Abby-Joy said:

Catholicism and Islam are creations of the Jesuits... there are others (false religious fronts) but it makes sense that they will bring them together.... especially since many supposed evangelical Christians also are loyal to the Pope (who is a Jesuit).  Anyway.... that maybe is something for a different thread? Idk.... lol  

The Jesuits were created in the 1,500's, and Catholicism began way before that.  Islam began in 632.  So something doesn't jive.  

Some say Catholicism gave birth to Islam, but that's not true.  Islam began when Muhammad started having visions and hearing voices in his head.  The most influencial religion of that time was Catholicism, and that's how he knew something of the scriptures. He created a counterfeit Christianity.  One thing for sure, Islam and Catholicism are NOT creations of the Jesuits.

20 minutes ago, Davida said:

Your best friend is a JW , you think that they are very Nice people - are JW's  by their beliefs on their way to heaven? 

I've met very nice hindus  too.  *Nice is not what gets you into heaven.

Are you God enough to say that your doctrine saves you, and they're doctrine doesn't save them?  You are going to see as many JW'S on the other side as any other who believes in Jesus Christ.  You guys turn off and alienate people from Christ, like it's going out of style with your self righteous arrogance, even building yourselves up by putting the Church down claiming the anti-Christ will come from within the church does a lot for it.

5 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Blessings ....

    Why not start a Thread "Nice people go to Heaven,or do they"?  or "Will ALL the world take the MOB" or any other Topic ,lol     

You guys are full of misrepressentation.  Maybe I should walk you through the fruits of the spirit.  Or maybe just GET RIGHT what I imply in the first place.

Just now, Yowm said:

Are you a JW? If not, why not?

I don't associate myself with any denomination. As far as people go, I like JW'S.  I've worked with many of them for years.  I like most people of most faiths.  I confront their doctrine well, and I don't CONDEMN people for what they believe or what church/sect/cult they are in.  Besides that, what many Christians label as a cult ISN'T!  I would visit a Mormon church if I knew a Mormon!  They will not, and neither will anyone else, convert me to their religion.  My religion is found in the cross, and my doctine is found through my studies working out my own salvation.

3 minutes ago, OldCoot said:

I wasn't talking about God's view of scripture either.  Simply about the concept of the elect.  Not quite sure how you deduced the idea that I was talking about scripture.   Try reading the post without interjecting your preconceptions into it.  But the definition is not quite that simple is where I went with it.

Read your post Coot.  It's a gas!

Just now, George said:

You know this is contrary to simple truths of Scripture.   The Bible is very plain whom salvation comes THROUGH and it's not through a church or a denomination.

Acts 4:11  This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. 
Acts 4:12  And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." 

John 14:6  Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 3:36  Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him. 

Do you understand the "mystery of God" which was hidden from the foundation of the world?

God bless,

George

I didn't say salvation comes from a church or denomination or simply from being nice.  I was asked if I thought nice people go to heaven.  Yes I do!  I believe everyone who makes it to heaven was or is a nice person.

On 7/27/2017 at 4:02 AM, n2thelight said:

The elect were chosen before the foundation of the world,being a Christian and being saved does not make one an elect.

And Christians should look 'just to see' if these verses jive!

1.  Being a Christian DOES make one 'elect' or CHOSEN.  That's the definition of the word 'EKLEKTOS'!

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

2.  The word 'chosen' in Ephesians 1:4 isn't the word, "EKLEKTOS."  It's the word, "eklegomai," which means, "CHOICE MADE!"

Ephesians 1:4

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

So much for Christians having a good hermeneutic

13 minutes ago, OldCoot said:

I would agree with the elect were chosen from the foundation of the world.  It is a matter of time domain.  God can see the end from the beginning. He knew before the foundations of the world were laid  who would accept and reject Messiah.  He can call those that accept His foreknown elect. 

It all is a matter of which side of the time domain you are looking at things. 

I can't recall the author, but I read one time a description of this that seems apropos.  A man is standing in a hall and sees a door, that written above it says "whosoever will".  He enters the door and finds a banquet hall set up.  And on a table is a place setting for him.  He turns around and above the door he just entered, it says "Known from the foundation of the world".  

We live in a universe that is multidimensional several magnitudes above what we visibly experience.  According to the Jewish sages AND modern particle physics, 10 dimensions. There could in fact even be more than one dimension of time.  Yes, time is a dimension.  It can vary by mass, acceleration, and gravity.   We tend to pigeon hole God into our 4 dimensions we deal with instead of realizing that He is several dimensions more than even the 10 we know of.  

It is not too outlandish to even fathom that all we know of is actually a holographic simulation in a plasma universe which is in reality merely a thought in the mind of God.  I don't quite go that far, but I do know that we tend to limit in our thinking who God is.  Just a quick look at the reality of the Zero Point Energy of the universe can dramatize the magnitude of God.

 

We are NOT talking about God's view of scripture, we are talking about the simple definition to a simple word....ELECT, which indicates CHRISTIANS!

On 7/29/2017 at 5:49 AM, fayec said:

I know it's talking about Daniel! But obviously the author of the article doesn't know that the people of the prince which Daniel spoke about in 9:26 and identified as Libyans and Ethiopians in 11:43, are the people whose chief prince is Gog, in Ezekiel.

Daniel doesn't mention Gog.  There's no reason to associate Daniel 9:26 with 11:43, or Ezekiel 38-39.  I think you do that because of 'word association.'

2 hours ago, fayec said:

NOWHERE in Daniel, or Revelation, or even 2nd Thessalonians 2, can you find the term "the Antichrist" in relation to the man of lawlessness.  The reason being that the man of lawlessness is not one single individual man, but rather that race/nationality of man which descended from Cain. 

In 2nd Thess. 2 Paul foretold that in the last days that race would exalt himself above all that is of the house of Israel, ie above the European Caucasians.

In Daniel and Revelation that race is symbolized as "the ten horns", meaning, a people.

It is that lawless race upon AMERICA which Daniel and John the Revelator wrote about.

Notice Daniel 7:24

"And the ten horns (and the people) out of this kingdom (out of the United Kingdom and out of Europe) are ten kings that shall arise (are European Americans that shall arise): and another (and another ten horns, another people) shall rise after them; and he (and this people) shall be diverse from the first....."

And John wrote in Revelation 17:16,17

"And the ten horns (and the man of lawlessness) which thou sawest upon the beast (upon Babylon the great/AMERICA), these shall hate the whore , and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her  flesh, and burn her with fire."

"For God hath put in their hearts (in the hearts of the European Americans) to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast (unto the man of lawlessness), until the words of God shall be fulfilled."

Well you're wrong and you didn't look or pay attention to my post.  The man of sin is ONE individual since personnal pronouns are used to describe him, over a dozen times.  

Did you look at 2 John 2:18?  Are you willing to change your mind and accept what truth is there? 

Many translations have it right, the KJV doesn't, and neither do you.....

New International Version
Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

New Living Translation
Dear children, the last hour is here. You have heard that the Antichrist is coming, and already many such antichrists have appeared. From this we know that the last hour has come.

Berean Study Bible
Children, it is the last hour; and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. This is how we know it is the last hour.

International Standard Version
Little children, it is the last hour. Just as you heard that an antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. This is how we know it is the last hour. 

NET Bible
Children, it is the last hour, and just as you heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. We know from this that it is the last hour.

New Heart English Bible
Little children, these are the end times, and as you heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have arisen. By this we know that it is the final hour.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
My children, it is an end time, and according to what you have heard that The False Messiah comes, already there have been many false messiahs, and by this we know that it is an end time.

So I have to repeat...

2 John 2:18 has one word for antichrist that is singular, the other plural, and wasn't translated correctly in the KJV.

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that (THE) antichrist (singular) shall come, even now are there many antichrists; (plural) whereby we know that it is the last time.

The verse actually reads in the Greek interlinear like this...

Little boys and girls, it is the last hour and according as ye hear that THE "instead-anointed" (antichrist) is coming and now many instead anointeds have become.....

Take a look for yourself...

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/1jo2.pdf

I don't agree with your America/European connection.  There's no use me asking where you get that idea, people typically aren't very good at showing people WHY they believe WHAT they believe.

America and Europe aren't found in end-time prophecy. 

8 hours ago, Davida said:

Do you think nice people go to heaven?

Of the people that do make it to heaven, I would have to believe the ones that made it were nice people.  I can't imagine heaven being like the earth you guys portray.  Ya know.  An anti-Christ coming from within the church, a church full of deceivers who will mislead people into accepting this united, global, all inclusive, peace loving religion, and the man of sin,...etc.  

I would rather be among a bunch of JW'S anyday than a bunch of misled Protestants who can't agreeon anything!

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Agreed, Davida; Scripture is the final line and basis of comparison, against which everything must be measured.

Then why is it you guys have so much stuff wrong?  I know why?  You guys DON'T don't do this....

Scripture is the final line and basis of comparison, against which everything must be measured.

If you did, you'd have a method to discover truth, not just an arrogant midset that you have the holy spirit, and that's all you need.

7 hours ago, Davida said:

I don't think you understand what the Roman Catholic Church is, nor that it opposes the Bible as the inerrant  Word of God & doesn't preach the pure Gospel of Jesus Christ. 

And again, I KNOW you don't understand the difference between damnable and undamnable heresies.  Catholic and Protestant doctrine aren't that far apart. It's just that you guys FALL for all the Catholic badmouthing.  There's no such thing as a bible being the inerrant Word of God.  Every Church and every bible has mistakes in it.

26 minutes ago, Davida said:

I cannot respect or give any praise to Catholicism for it has too much heresy & false teachings - I compare their teachings and  every denomination with the Bible which I believe is the Word of God as it says it is.   I do not hold the same opinion that you have for this Pope either, just because I have watched & listened to the message that this guy is saying very closely each time and I have found that he speaks against the Word of God which is = to speaking against God in my books. This is not a thread about the Pope but I wanted to respond to your post. Btw, I liked Pope benedict better then francis so it is not just a Pope bias.

There is heresy in every church.  What most of you don't see is the difference between damnable and undamnable heresy.  There are NO damnable heresies in Catholicism.

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I hope we caught where fixeruppers faith truly is.   Their is no man made method for discovering TRUTH

Like it or not there is.  Like I said, and just like anything else, there is a method.  Praying and asking God's wisdom is always in order, but there really is a way to obtain truth, or at least get as close as we can to it.  The method is called biblical hermeneutics.  

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THE HOLY SPIRIT SIMPLY REVEALS IT.  WHERE Is the faith fixerupper.  MINE IS IN GOD ALONE.  HIS SPIRIT WILL REVEAL as I need know

You just can't expect the Holy Spirit to reveal truth to you if you just ask for God to reveal it to you.  That's not how it works.  You guys don't care about anything other than what you already believe, and you can't even show me how you arrive at that.  You guys are all talk and no action.  Why? Because you are not ready...
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: 

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and I shall keep reading the holy bible , feeding from it , to test all spirits and things against .

Keep reading, keep praying for the holy spirit to show you truth.  Then report back to me after the next 911.

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YOU summed up your own man made METHOD FOR FINDING TRUTH................bud..............THEMS YOUR WORDS

That shows me that you just don't know, and that I'm way out of your class.  I shouldn't even be here or even burn up one electron trying to convince someone less than a novice interpreter.

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this had to surface so the others can see.  BUT also, if you would just sit and ponder what I say.   OH I pray the LORD to prick your conscious.

Oh yes I will I will!  I hope he uses and really cool OBE!

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OH I do desire you to really come to the knowledge of pure eternal truth.    I do.

OK.  I'll pray for you too that you see Islam as the religion of the beast.  I've given you guys SOME evidence of Islam that you just can't dispute other than tell me you have the holy spirit.  report to me after the next 911.

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Hey God changed this man.  I used to be all about MY OWN ABILITY TOO.............but GOD showed me and humbled me.......and let me know

Abilities, talents, skills, good virtues.... God likes.  That's why he chose many people.  God doesn't have a problem using capable skillfull people.  You guys need more tutoring.

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I of my own self can do nothing...........but to just have faith in HIM and HIS ABILTY is all I NEED to overcome ANYTHING.

How to obtain truth is one you will never overcome if you're not willing to admit you don't have everything right, admit your faults, take an honest interest in becoming a better interpreter, use the many bible resources we have available today, and consider other views.