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  1. You misunderstood me. I said, "The only way the holy spirit can help people understand anything is for them to understand a little bit about the proper methods of interpretation, put unbiased effort in your studies. and be willing to change your mind when the evidence is there to do so. The holy spirit enlightens you by blessing your efforts, he just doesn't send you a telepathic message." One issue I see with Christians is that they use the holy spirit as a scapegoat to everything esp. 'enlightenment.' Understanding the Word of God is no different than accomplishing anything in life. Besides praying etc., we have to put our best effort foward in whatever it is we want the holy spirit to help us accomplish or obtain. Too many Christians think that to gain understanding all one has to do is pray for the holy ghost! It's messed up to see so many people say things like they're right because they have the holy spirit and the he wouldn't lie to them.
  2. And I hear you again. The time is coming though when most of the bad stuff in Chrstianity will subside....I hope anyway. There are many doing the Lords work that we don't see, it's the ones we do see that are the bad ones who's tables need to turned over. I believe God is disappointed in His Church, but the time is coming when that will change.
  3. Glad to see you have the right mindset. The tower of Babel isn't mystery Babylon. Babel is simply the birthplace of false religion. We are actually told what the MYSTERY is. It's actually "Babylon the GREAT" which is "a large false religion." Mystery Babylon says no such thing. Unity of all faiths has nothing to do with it. I keep asking for scriptural evidence, but all I get from people is that you have to have the holy spirit to understand these things. Show me scriptural evidence! NOBODY ever does! Moderate Islam is mostly in the West. But that's getting out of control now too. No radical or moderate sect of Islam will unite with any other religion. This unified, inclusive, one world religion stuff is a complete unscriptural pipe dream. The Temple in Jerusalem already stands ready for the abomination. The Dome of the Rock is where the man of sin will authenticate himself. The only way the holy spirit can help people understand anything is for them to understand a little bit about the proper methods of interpretation, put unbiased effort in your studies. and be willing to change your mind when the evidence is there to do so. The holy spirit enlightens you by blessing your efforts, he just doesn't send you a telepathic message of truth.
  4. I hear you. Sorry. I need to chill out. I was actually more interested in expressing how I feel the same way as gemstone. My bad experiences with Church, esp. pastors, and my obsessed with himself Pentecostal cousin of a pastor has a lot to do with my bad perception of Christians, and so do the churches in my neighborhood. And I'm not going to put much time into explaining why!
  5. Well I wish most people had your level of common sense, especially when it comes to Islam. Islam will never allow their religion to be unified with others. They'll never allow it. But my issue with this thread is that nearly everyone believes that the religion of the beast is going to be a unified, inclusive, global religion of peace! And that's just not true. The religion of the beast is ISLAM.
  6. The pre-tribbers have changed the meaning of 'the mystery of Christ, mystery of the kingdom of God, mystery among the gentiles, mystery of the church....I lost track of the fabrications required to counter the fabrications of pre-trib.
  7. Jewish trumpets are not eschatological trumpets! The ONLY trumpets that qualify to be sounded at any prophetic event like the rapture is the propheic trumpets mentioned in the book of Revelation. Anything else is fabrication and a perversion of Jesus' and Paul's words. I just makes no sense that the Lord would return at the sounding of some Jewish trumpet, a religion and people who deny the Christ anyway.
  8. There is no resentment in this persons reply. I'm surprised you can't tell how ths person feels without prodding at their 'resentment.' "I'm a social, outgoing person. I used to find it easier to make friends. I'm finding it harder to find loyal, loving, genuine friendships as I get older. This is making me want to pull away from others and become a hermit. I know God has called all of us to love others, and I do, but I want to love them from a distance. I see the ugliness in the world, and it makes my heart sad. I don't see how truly loving believers can treat people the way they sometimes do. I want to continue to love others, but I don't want to allow others to hurt me, or watch them hurt others. Some wisdom, Scriptures, and prayers would be most helpful, thanks!" __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Maybe Christians on the forum could use better words to express themselves. RESENTMENT... bitter indignation at having been treated unfairly. I feel the very same way this person does. I'm older and very tired of Christians PERIOD! READ what the person SAID! You don't need any more of an explanation! 1. I'm finding it harder to find loyal, loving, genuine friendships as I get older. 2. This is making me want to pull away from others and become a hermit. 3. I know God has called all of us to love others, and I do, but I want to love them from a distance. 4. I see the ugliness in the world, and it makes my heart sad 5. I don't see how truly loving believers can treat people the way they sometimes do. I want to continue to love others, but I don't want to allow others to hurt me, or watch them hurt others. I'm in the same situation. I've distanced myself from CHRISTIANS because they're NO GOOD! They do NOTHING for my walk with Christ. All they ever do is undermine it. They have NOTHING good to say about ME/people. They are even more difficult to become friends wih than unbelievers. I like being ALONE away from their self-righteous, holier than thou, "we don't make mistakes" attitude. I don't like being friends with Christians because they impose their convictions on everyone else and then condemn you for believing different. I have trouble loving Christians even from a distance. I've been crapped on so many times by PASTORS (which I use to be) that I'm about ready to dump the entire religion of Christianity with all the messed up people in it. I see ugliness in the world too. Much of it in the followers of Jesus Christ, and it makes me sad that I have to get away from such people to maintain my 'sobriety.' And most of all... When I read some of the wonderful, loving replies by people here I get sick to my stomach. On one reply they're so sweet and they talk about God's love and compassion Then on another, usually because their beliefs have been seriously challenged or opposed, they say all sorts of derogatory things about you and even condemn people. Christianity, It's just not what it use to be even 30-40 years ago.
  9. There's that peace word I've been asking about. Yep. 1.5 billion followers, tiny. There's that peace word again. I keep wondering why everybody says the kingdom of the demonic duo is full of peace, yet these same Christians say their church and religion is part of the evils of the apostasy. There's just something wrong with that. Yep! THERE'S THAT PEACE AND UNITY WORD AGAIN. There's that 'world peace stuff again. I'm going to ask again. Where do we find this PEACE stuff in bible prophecy? I know just how pretty it would be to people, but it's just never going to happen! If you had it in you, you'd show me and the forum where all of that stuff is found in our bibles. I've been asking, NO replies yet! sure they are. You're injecting this interfaith stuff in everything. You can't get away from it and you logic is going right ou the window with it. I want to see you answer the questions I've been asking for days. WHERE DO YOU SEE THIS INTERFAITH UNITY STUFF IN THE BIBLE?
  10. After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound! And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. The last trump is where the prophetic event of a gathering occurs. The last trump can only be the seventh Trump because both are related to in a series of prophetic events. It's crazy to say it's anything else. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ I know you could care less about hermeneutics, and so do many others. Many of you don't know the difference when an article IS or IS NOT used in Greek and Hebrew. In every verse where the last Trump of God is mentioned it is used with the article or preposition indication it's a specific trumpet. In Revelation 4:1, John used the words, "as it were " to describe a voice talking with him so loud it sounded like a trumpet. It's not a SPECIFIC eschatological trumpet. John was told in 1:19 to write what he perceives as seeing, and the voice talking with him was perceived 'as it were' a trumpet talking with him. I shouldn't have to explain the meaning of, "as it were." "....and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me." John's way of obeying his original command from God in Revelation 1:19 to write down how he perceives what he sees. In fact... For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: That verse is written like this in the interlinear... IN SOUND OF(voice)-chief-messenger(archangel) and IN TRUMPET OF-GOD Other verses use the article instead of the preoposition. Both indicate they come from God and nowhere else. The last trump Lamad, not a Jewish trumpet. The trump of God Lamad, not the trump of man!
  11. You say nothing unique, but what's taking place in Iraq and the Arab world is serious. What's also serious is that Islam calls this time "the third jihad" or THE THIRD AND FINAL ROUND OF THE CRUSADES. I know what Islam's goals are and they align well with bible prophecy. It's a no brainer actually. I don't have the time to tell you right now everything I'd like because it's not simple. Nothing is simple in that part of the world to resolve right now. In June there wre 164 jihad attacks in 30 countries, 34 of the SUICIDE BLAST killing 1,176 people and injuring 1382. Since Sept. 11, Islamic terrorist have carried out more than31,229 Deadly Terror Attacks. https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ Suicide bombers, they're right here... Revelation 9:16-17 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them. And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone. The word for breastplates is the word 'thorax,' and were held by straps that went over the shoulders or around the neck. "...and of jacinth," (dark red)... Jacinth: signifies "hyacinthine," perhaps primarily having the color of the hyacinth. Some regard its color as that of the martagon lily, a dusky red. According to Swete, the word 'jacinth' in Rev 9:17 is, "doubtless meant to describe the blue smoke of a sulphurous flame." "...and brimstone:...." sparks and explosion This is the only place the word 'brimstone' or Strong's #2306 is used in the NT. Strong's #2306 comes from 2303 and says, "in its original sense of "flashing." "...and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; (Babylonians) and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone." ...you say, "they are not themselves unified or organized enough to pull that off.......whereas the world's super rich and Rome are," Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. John was talking about the coming end-time anti-christ here...."Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come." And about anti-Christ of his time here... "Even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us." These people who were "not of us," were those who denied Christ the way John decribes. The verse is not saying the end-time anti-christ comes from within the church. The apostles of that day were plagued with that stuff both within and outside of the Church.
  12. It's difficult but there are some overlaps in the book that need to be observed. I say Mathew 24 and the book of Revelation is Chronological BUT... The beast John sees in chapter 13 rises up from the sea. This doesn't mean the beast rises chronologically in Ch. 17, only that it rose from the sea and that it's present on earth at that time. So yes, it is logical to assume the beast is rising in chapters 6-11, but I think we have to be careful how we overlap prophecies. Another thing. The beast of Revelation 17 likely IS NOT the same beast as Revelation 13.
  13. Lamad, Do you see any difference in the GRAMMAR between these trumpets? After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound! And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Lets see if Lamad can figure it out. Too often people disregard the definition of simple 2-3 letter words like 'as if the all end BUT etc'...
  14. You can bask in your pre-trib fantasy Lamad.
  15. Though I do agree with what you've said, my only argument is that THAT has nothing to do with the religion of the beast.