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1 hour ago, Tampered With said:

There are no magic pills or words in the field of Psychology to heal people that is why so many psychiatrists commit suicide because they don't have all the answers. They may give you some insight into areas where you may have problems but answers are few and far between. Even then many of them have more problems than those going to them for help. I'm not saying not to seek help but that just like going to your regular doctor they do not always have easy answers. Sometimes there are chemical imbalances, and mental  imbalances can be caused by all sorts of causes from the latter to much more serious causes including spiritual ones. Such things are not easily diagnosed yet some seem to think they can and cause more harm than good. Some ascribe everything to mental illness and others to spiritual illness; beware of both. Unfortunately most humans ascribe to groupthink to some extent. It is hard to find people who will listen to you and what is happening inside your body. All I can say is keep trying but also try to evaluate what others are trying to tell you for any useful knowledge you can apply to your situation. 

Many psychiatrists commit suicide? I wasn't aware of that. If mental disorder is genetic, as they insist, then a number of psychiatrists should be on antidepressants. I have never heard of a psychiatrist who takes these drugs. I don't think any psychiatrist would take those drugs, they wouldn't dare. To clear things up I'm fine now, life is going ok, I tapered off all the drugs some time ago. I work and live independently. This was done under a psychiatrist with a long history of experience with the roughest cases and applies a common sense approach. I went to him because his work shows that biological psychiatry is not scientific and never can be. This includes modern drug management, the emphasis on the physical and chemical state of the brain, as well as the entire system of classification of mental disorders in the DSM. He has been much more help than the church, I steer away from Christians these days. I made a mistake by getting involved with churches years ago. Most ascribe to prosperity theology and majority of Christian mental health workers ascribe to the status quo. I'm sure there are other severe problem areas within modern religious groupthink. I think I'll bow out now as I have no reason to contribute further.   

12 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

What are "defenseless spirits"???

Problem with all the psyche stuff is that it has great labels and great pills but solves nothing.

Not so long ago if you got an injury (from ANY source) you may suffer from gangrene. The gangrene often killed where the original injury did not.

Satan and his minion spirits are like gangrene working on an injured soul.

Problem is, the overwhelming majority of Christians and the church nearly all subscribe to groupthink. Sorry.  I tried to explain to many Christians close to me within the church the situation I had before, but it fell on deaf ears without any help or advice. Tried doing things myself in 2011. But it doesn’t seem real to me anymore..  I have better things to do in life now. 

6 hours ago, Tampered With said:

As someone with a degree in Psychology, I can say I talked with the head of my department and asked him if he encountered those he could not account for after going through ever diagnosis known in psychoanalysis and treatment. He said yes. I asked him if he believed in demon possession? He said yes. As a youth pastor of an Assemblies of God Church I assisted my pastor in an exorcism. I can say what I saw, heard, and experienced there was beyond what average people accept as reality. It is not something those that are not trained, strong in faith, or with those in both should enter into; period! Help is available but choose wisely!   

Only go there as a LAST resort!

I used to believe there was until recently. Can all be explained by severe anxiety. Panic attacks warp your perception of yourself and the world. It seems psychotic but it's not because it settles immediately when the panic settles. Nothing that requires supernatural explanation. 

3 hours ago, missmuffet said:

A pet scan can diagnose some mental disorders. Mental illnesses are real. Just like diabetes or a thyroid disorder the brain can have an illness as well. It may make some who have a mental illness more vulnerable to satanic attacks but if a person who is a born again Christian has a mental illness that person has the Holy Spirit within them. They can not be possessed by demons. 

You are right in part, we cannot blame defenseless spirits. However, no biological markers have been found. Lots of money and research by the industry have proved nothing. I’m leaning more towards it being a psychological phenomenon of the mind (being different from the brain). They have a rational basis. The human mind malfunctions fairly easily when someone has endured traumatizing events. at the highest levels of fear, the mind starts to malfunction.

20 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

No apology is necessary ......my heart goes out to you for the abuse you had to withstand......your subsequent thinking appears to be justified and I am happy you are doing better....God bless.....

Cheers mate. An apology to you was necessary. Do what’s best for you. Have a good one.

I forgotten about this thread but received an email notification. I was angry when I started it but like most anger it does wash over. 

If I will apologize to anyone it will be blood bought in the context of disagreeing that medication has helped him and helps some other people. So I do offer a heart felt apology for offending the people diagnosed with a genuine mental disorder and that medication helps them. I was wrong and admit my error. Weather you accept that is up to you.

The system misdiagnosed me with a severe mental disorder 10 years and they abused me. I found this out by an independent psychiatric assessment who operates outside of groupthink. 

As for my anger towards the mainstream profession that shoehorns everyone with a one size fits all approach I remain unrepentant. To quote George Orwell “The system filters out the thoughtful and replaces them with the faithful. When everybody is thinking the same thing, nobody is thinking at all”

I work and I’m getting married in a couple of months and I’ve stayed out of hospital. But I will never seek help from the mainstream system again. They need to take good hard look at themselves.

That’s all I have to say. I am now unsubscribing from this thread and moving on..

10 minutes ago, Called Out One said:

This is the most important thing.  Stay strong in, and focused upon, Him alone.  He is all you need.

Agreed. I believe this applies to everyone. It’s the deliverance I had that stopped the attacks. Sincerely. 

Well we are just going to have to disagree on this. I’ve been on many medications in the past which I found ineffective. Studies have shown Psychiatric drugs are only marginally more effective than placebos, sugar pills. Main thing is I have stayed out of hospital for years without the drugs and trust in him. If I have been non compassionate that’s not my intention.

Look, I'm angry because I have been through the system and been abused through it. The reason why is because mental health services hate it when anyone questions them. They are extremely allergic to criticism especially from within their own. There are many people who have been abused by psychiatric system simply because of non-compliance and questioning their diagnosis. I don't care what anyone says it's modern day Pharmakeia as described in the bible. Many psychiatrists think they are God like, if you disagree with them it only reinforces to them you have a brain disease and they will then force treatment on you without your consent such as ECT and heroic doses of drugs. They do this to many people. I believe mental disorder is mostly a spiritual condition or the result of severe abuse. It was spiritual for me initially but then I got a whole heap of other diagnosis's after stopping the drugs abruptly a few times when I was in a severe withdrawal state. It's dehumanising . 

If you are compliant and agreeable and believe everything they say all is good with them, as a lot of christians are. The church doesn't understand these things and remain silent. Shamanism and new age religions have their views on mental disorder and have a lot of people interested in the critical psychiatry movement.

17 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

The benefits were not “ small “ in my case......there are so many different types of anti- depressant medications out there.....one must find the one that works for them......never stop praying and never give up.....don’t forget to thank God When He delivers you from this nightmare.....  “ I am the God that healeth thee”

 

 

 

If you believe that placebo works for you that’s your choice. Not mine. Bear in mind Psychiatry’s drugs are undisciplined compared to other branches of medicine. And usually put people on heroic doses and detain those who don’t comply. The scriptures call this psychotropic industry as Pharmakeia/sorcery. End of story.

On 1/19/2019 at 1:20 PM, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

“ All good things come from God”.     Medication was a good thing for me.If you find a medication that helps you, take it with God’s blessing and thank Him for it.....ignore those who lack compassion and prefer to judge others out of ignorance

The last major review of SSRI drugs by the Copenhagen Trial Unit, Centre for Clinical Intervention Research, in Denmark, concluded. "The evidence on selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) for major depressive disorder is unclear.... Our results show that the harmful effects of SSRIs versus placebo for major depressive disorder seem to outweigh any potentially small beneficial effects."

Associate Director of the Program in Placebo Studies Professor Kirsch has done placebo studies and found the same.

But each to their own..

33 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

I think suicide by anyone who is in the Body of Christ would be extremely rare.Having said that ,ALL of their sins are covered by the Blood.....including the terrible, heartbreaking sin of self- murder.If , at any time theses poor souls have come to Jesus as broken sinners that believe He died for their sins and rose from the grave after three days , their Salvation-is secure.They May stand ashamed when they appear before their Savior , along with Believers that are homosexuals.I got plenty to be ashamed of too.How about you? I thank God for His Grace “ Where sin abounds, grace abounds that much more”

 

What are you trying to imply? Yes, of course I have done things I'm ashamed of. 

53 minutes ago, maryjayne said:

I dont see Christians on this forum saying "Yep, commit suicide, its OK, no worries"

A lot of people in the church in todays society (the latter times) are flocking to the mainstream idea that depression is a biological disease of the brain and therefore not a sin to suicide. Being told it’s not them it’s those pesky imbalance’s exuses people from personal responsibility. God calls murder a sin. God calls homosexual activity a sin and so on. I believe people who are depressed need spiritual help as well as talk therapy as they have most likely been oppressed by misfortunes in life abuse or told a loser ect. Old scratch loves playing on these issues too.

53 minutes ago, maryjayne said:

 

I DO see Christians on this forum saying "God reads all hearts and understands and will make that judgement call, but God loves you, this will pass, I am here for you"

No problem with this..

2 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

This is just a general reminder .    Since when does speaking scripture to anyone not appeal to this generation .

I mean folks act as though speaking scriptures to the lost is the same as cursing .    Yet how often did JESUS speak  SOUND DOCTRINE to all that had breath .

Every word He spoke , IS SOUND DOCTRINE and we should use His words in all cases .

But instead preachers who don't know HIM at all,   have for years taught us this wrong approach which Aint working .

Their reasoning was of men , for they said these people don't want to hear scripture .  

Truth is most don't .   But since when we do change the pure way of evangelizing with sound doctrine , to suit the ears of men who desire no truth .

To them it will be an offense .   And we cannot pander How we evangelize to their ears in hopes we can win them.  You wont .  at most you get only worse fish

and they teach even worse ways and soon , AS IN RIGHT NOW ,  it gets so bad that we even got churches saying ,   HEY don't say JESUS is the SON of GOD , because that OFFENDS .

Things just keep getting worse . And seeker friendly was a recipe for total destruction from its birth .   Let the SPIRIT lead and it will give you words .   Worry not about what to say

or not say .   SIMPLY follow CHRIST .

Truth

I believe when it comes to unbelievers who are really struggling is to be there for them, listen to them, pray for them support ect. But not bend the truth of the gospel. A lot of Christians seem to be doing that in todays society. This is a fulfilling prophecy. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

26 minutes ago, leah777 said:

link to another thread on the same subject started by the OP a year or two ago, with lots of useful postings:

 

 You've lost me.. I still I haven't been refuted with any references to that what psychiatry claims is correct.  Many mainstream christians have become so malleable to believe what the world says on things. God doesn't change with the times..

I believe there are triggers that make people feel hopeless, not an unbalanced sick brain. Perhaps just listening and being there for that person may help. I'm not aware the bible mentions suicide. I know that Satan and demons also want to drag people down who have suffered abuse and misfortune.

8 minutes ago, naominash said:

Oh no. Is this going to be scary?

One is a psychiatrist the other a professor who attack the biological theory of mental disorder. Nothing of spiritual nature in their arguments 

11 minutes ago, naominash said:

I really took charge of my own mental health and did research for myself in 2016. I credit that and the grace of God for my recovery.

My delusions were extremely 'religious'. It felt like I was literally fighting satan with every coloring pencil I chose at the hospital. Yes. very weird.

 

 

You deserve credit for questioning your mental health and seeking God well done. Hope you stay ok..

Here a couple of doctors who challenge the status quo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzdu3WQyIZg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySpnthyErbw

1 minute ago, naominash said:

By the way, I did know at least one psychiatrist who was not evil.

She seemed to really care a lot about getting the dose that was right for me as an individual. I was in a psyche ward and each day she'd talk to me until she felt confident I'd stabilize. That was my second time being hospitalized. I would go one more time in May 2016.

Not ideal, but I appreciate her none-theless

 

There are some psychiatrists with common sense. but are far and few between

6 minutes ago, naominash said:

I believe my diagnosis was in some ways, the result of a spiritual oppression. I was not possessed by the devil --- I am a child of God. But I do believe that spiritual forces exploited some of the vulnerabilities of my personality, causing hallucinations and delusions.

After May 2016, I made a " miraculous recovery". I have not had symptoms sense and have slowly weaned off the medication.

Please do not condemn those who are just trying to figure out how to survive. It's hard enough without someone making you feel bad for wanting to try medication.

However, I would like to see more of an awareness of both the physical mind's vulnerabilities and the presence of spiritual darkness.

For some reason, I always understood that I would never be under delusions and symptoms forever. I always knew that the doctors were wrong and that I wouldn't be a vegetable.

I always knew God called me for a purpose, even if I get tired of the world at times.

I have chalked it up as a mystery. But it is up to God to decide my mental health, not some psychiatrist.

In that, we probably agree.

I believe I was way too overmedicated.

The best thing that seems to work for me is regular sleep and emergency naps. In that way, my mind has seemed to heal itself.

But I wouldn't want others who struggle really bad to feel like medication is not an option. Just because it didn't seem to hinder or help me overall, doesn't mean it might not save someone's life.

I think many psychiatrists and pharaceutical companies are evil. But those just falling into psychosis aren't for wanting help.

 

I agree. Particulary about the difference between oppression and possession 

56 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

 

Jesus said.. “The sick need a physician”

Paul prescribed wine for Timothy’s stomach troubles....

i suffered from severe depression for 5 years......medication helped me IMMENSELY ....it was an answer to my prayers .....get help you wherever you can, and give God the  praise....God bless

Jesus was referring for people to come to him for help.  Jesus never went around diagnosing and labelling people with mental illness. That is just a modern fad..

Ephesians 6:12  For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

56 minutes ago, naominash said:

Well, here's what i think about psychiatry today.

They are just guessing.

Every individual is different and the overreliance on medication has indeed ruined people's lives.

However, I think meds can be useful, if tested on an individual under observation, to see which agrees with them.

I don't think everyone with mental illness needs to be on them for life.

I was told I would be a " vegetable" without meds.

Well... maybe I'm a tomato. Tomato's are actually fruit.

Yeah but they are not just guessing. They love money.  I agree with what Professor John Read says when he says  it’s a form of sorcery likened to that of the Middle Ages.. They resort to cult like behaviour when challenged.

The major review of SSRI drugs by the Copenhagen Trial Unit, Centre for Clinical Intervention Research, in Denmark, concluded. "The evidence on selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) for major depressive disorder is unclear.... Our results show that the harmful effects of SSRIs versus placebo for major depressive disorder seem to outweigh any potentially small beneficial effects."

Excuse the pun, but I do not believe in forcing drugs and ideology down peoples throats for an alleged chemical imbalance in which there is zero evidence..It's not ethical.

I have no problem with real doctors..

19 minutes ago, maryjayne said:

Do you believe than any medical intervention for mental illnesses, including therapy, is wrong? 

I believe there are triggers for depression and therapy can help

23 minutes ago, naominash said:

Can you explain your issues with the DSM? 

It’s not scientific and never can be. It fails as a science because no rational model exists..

23 minutes ago, naominash said:

Are you saying they're misrepresenting cases of demon possession?

In some cases yes

23 minutes ago, naominash said:

I believe that does happen sometimes.

It does. That and chemical reactions due to the drugs. Especially abrupt withdraw which can cause a host of side effects.

23 minutes ago, naominash said:

Or are you saying we shouldn't go by any man-made philosophy over the Bible?

I believe Christians should be more cautious and question man made ideologies...