Pure Waters

7 minutes ago, Sojourner414 said:

One thing though: what would you make of Paul's reply to the Galatians here though?

" You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth? This persuasion did not come from Him who calls you. A little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough. I have confidence in you in the Lord that you will adopt no other view; but the one who is disturbing you will bear his judgment, whoever he is. But I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why am I still persecuted? Then the stumbling block of the cross has been abolished. I wish that those who are troubling you would even mutilate themselves." (Galatians 5:7-12, NASB, emphasis mine)

I agree that we should try to reply out of love and not "attack mode"; that would eliminate much trouble out there on the boards. But there are times when no matter what we say, it just gets plowed under. And even Paul here at one point had enough!

In the context of that verse he was talking about those that still preach circumcision. "Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing." Galatians 5:2 . He meant those that circumcise themselves and thus ignore the sacrifice that Christ has made for us. And in the next verse he urges those that do circumcise themselves to do the whole law.

Gal 5:3 "For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law"

So when he says that those who trouble you should mutilate themselves he is talking to people who ignore the sacrifice of Christ and wishes them to mutilate themselves, because if they ignore the sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ, they do not benefit from it and they should follow the whole law.

12 minutes ago, Davida said:

There's no need for anyone to  imply in political threads that  conservatives are racist white men either.......  but it's been done.  

Makes it easier to identify who they really are then. Trust me I've had my fair share of any SJW nonsense thats currently out there. The best method really is to calmly take apart their arguments and false teachings so that everyone can see how wrong they are.

13 minutes ago, Davida said:

Many times in the threads a person has been critizised for being Unchrist like or hateful or judgmental  when all they have done is quote scripture and quoted  a certain  christian author/ individual & stated that they were preaching the occult teachings of whatever....and you might like to think that they deserved being called a "hater" or unloving -- but you'd be wrong.  Sometimes a person will  have their political biases or spiritual ones and gets offended  if someone they see as a cherished  Bible teacher/ author is criticized as preaching a false teaching.. 

If you quote scripture and discussed and argued and pointed out false teachings and doctrine in the holy spirit and with the Strength and Love of God inside you, you can be sure that you have done nothing wrong before The Father. Even if some people mock or criticise you and try to offend you or call you names, you have done your part and abided by His will. You can be strict and upfront but even a strict father only does so for the love of his children so that they might learn. Anger is used by the desperate but for those that trust in The Lord and KNOW that they are on His side and that they are doing His will they will feel confident and at peace. 

Paul was slandered by some corinthians and he took his stand and wrote his letter. Just as he did we should also rebuke those that spread false doctrine or slander us in a strict and loving manner.

7 hours ago, Davida said:

righteous judgment and some times that includes righteous anger

There is no need for anger, you can identify and call out false teachings and doctrines whilst staying calm.

Maybe if there was less anger and provoking, there wouldnt be that many deleted threads now also

those who would teach false doctrine would be exposed to everyone.

From my experience, being part of a handful of forums myself, there is always the same pattern no matter what the site is about. Often there is a certain amount of users that have made it their personal mission to start a small war with moderation and the admins. The reasons can vary from "I or others get deliberatly censored" to "some mods are corrupt" or even straight up deny the ToS and try to find loopholes. (Not saying this all happens on here, thats just including my experience from other sites)

There is always a certain percentage of users that are unhappy with how things are handled because they would like the moderation to be done in their favour. Almost all the time it has to do with pride and I can only agree with ayin 

50 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

I also wish folks would squash their pride. It seems like it is pride that takes over when the insults start to fly. 

Maybe it is good to remember and to remind others that we are guests on this site, and that we should behave like guests. I've seen this all before and to be honest it gets tiring over time. It is entitlement that leads to most of these problems.

I appreciate the work of the mods in keeping this forum as clean as possible and find it very inappropiate from some users to straight post about their problems with moderation in a public thread rather than to dm a mod.

And if some think that wont change anything, well there are still other sites they can go to if they arent satisfied with how things are handled.

Just now, Davida said:

Some will  never get it.  

Since you have been involved in the thread that has been deleted and are clearly upset about how moderation and reports are handled I think I can see where you are coming from.

Just now, Davida said:

It is really an over simplification - Looks good on paper but doesn't pan out in the real world. Lol!   

Not necessarily.

If anyone has a problem with how moderation is handled on here it clearly states in the ToS to dm a mod and discuss this privately, and if even that doesnt satisfy, theres still tons of other Christian Forums out there.

1 minute ago, Davida said:

Not necessarily.

I said should, not is

1 minute ago, Yowm said:

It has lots to do with it. 

People constantly get attacked for being unloving when they confront false doctrine, so the post gets reported for a personal attack, and after a few of those the thread gets deleted.

I wasnt aware of that, I mean if you confront false doctrine in the proper manner you shouldnt be reported for that. Sounds like something you should discuss with the mods.

14 minutes ago, Davida said:

Actually the truth is the first & worst casualty of the undiscerning pc left.  The Christendom is full of wolves, fools, tares & false teachings, the RC being in it's own category and the denominations are falling left right and center because the people within them fall for soothing words and smooth characters that speak deceptions. It is usually the ones that challenge or warn of these wolves who are regarded as divisive and judgmental by the undiscerning.  

For eg. God's word on this board is attacked frequently by those that denounce Apostle Paul as not speaking by the Holy Spirit or counted an apostle by Christ,  yet these same who reject Paul's writings will preach "christian love & unity & don't judge" as soon as they get confronted by others for rejecting these scriptures as God's word to stop any opposition.  Who is it that  get's attacked as being "unchristian or unloving" - it is those that stick up for God's word.  The forum mirrors exactly what is going on throughout Christendom - the postmodernism & liberal progressivism is taking over the church, & the culture , and the great falling away is well in process & false teachings are multiplying with the over-emphasized  attitude for peace & unity at all cost. Those that have eyes open see the deception and those that don't end up protecting the wolves & chastising the watchers on the wall.   

Not sure what that has to do with the ToS of this board but that sounds like a good topic for a new thread I would like to read

1 minute ago, Davida said:

Not necessarily.

Debate the subject, not the person. It is possible to disagree about a doctrine or subject under discussion without insulting the person with whom you are debating. Also remember that the fact that a person disagrees with you does not mean they are attacking you as a person. Respect each other in the love of God! This is the main reason that threads get stopped, shut down, and even deleted!  We also reserve the right to remove any member from any thread for any of these violations. Users that cannot respect others will be banned. (Lev. 19:18)

That describes it pretty well

8 minutes ago, Davida said:

What you or someone else might deem as fighting might not be but rather voicing a necessary truth. 

as long as it stays on topic and doesnt include personal attacks I wouldnt deem it as fighting either

10 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Again not necessarily. Satan can come with a  smile and sweet words as well...

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
(2Co 11:13-15)

Their fruit in the case of forums would be the words they speak. (truth or deception).
 

7 minutes ago, Davida said:

I'd say Satan always comes like that with sweet words & smiles but with half truths.     

Indeed, that is why we should always watch out for deception and half truths.

2 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Not necessarily, there are wolves amongst sheep.

Mat 7:20  Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 
Mat 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 

If they keep on fighting and insulting, they will show their true nature and the mods will handle them.

41 minutes ago, turtletwo said:

 Thank you Pure Waters for posting this. I really needed to hear it. I am in much physical pain at this time. This is 'just what the Doctor ordered.' Or I should say the Great Physician...Jesus Christ.

I am glad I could help you with this and I'll pray for you to get better soon!

We know this world is filled with sin and unrighteousness, and those who do evil to those who do good,

And those who are unmerciful to those who show mercy,

But know that even when the whole world is against you, remember that The Lord is always with you.

His Word and His Presence will calm you and fill you with peace.

And those who do evil against you, and to the servants of God, will soon realise that they have no father except satan and that their path leads to darkness.

Because the devil resides in the hearts of those who are cruel and evil, and their hearts are also filled with greed and hatred.

They have rejected the Lord and His Word and because of this they hate you!

Let your hearts not be filled with fear or sadness, but rather with The Love of God and Kindness and Mercy.

Praise the Lord, believe and trust in HIM and you will have the strength to defeat any evil that crosses your path,

Praise and Love God, your Father, and He will guide you and never leave you alone.

Because we endure the suffering and pain this world causes us, our Father already has prepared a place for us in Heaven,

and in His Embrace, we will forget easily every trouble we once had in our previous life and feel nothing but Happines and Love and Peace

In Eternity

And with all of my heart and soul

Amen.

45 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Sorry, Gibbus, but I don't think there is any possible way you can prove any of this by scripture.  Therefore, I have a novel idea: why not just believe things AS WRITTEN? The 1260 are DAYS, the 42 months are MONTHS and the time, times etc are years.  The 69 weeks are weeks of years. 

But God does not have the same calendar we use today or am I wrong?

Just had an argument with a catholic christian after I asked "How can you be a catholic and not be ashamed of the catholic church and the pope?" He compared being part of the church like being born in a country and said that I will be judged because of my "catholic soul" (whatever that means). It really is a cult and their members think that theirs is the only true church, while child molesters and satanists do how they please. I told him that I pray that he will one day realise what hes gotten himself into and left after I advised him to read the Bible and repent.

So no, I dont think it will survive and I think the RCC is the wolf in sheeps clothing, doing evil in the name of God.

Psalm 34:18 The LORD is close to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit.

And even though my heart has been shakened, and my legs are weak and I dont desire food nor water.

I pray to you my LORD and praise your name, for you are the most High, You know what is best and what shall happen. I cry out to you Lord, I beg you.. but YOUR will shall be done not mine.

Job 1:21 Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

So whatever is taken from me, only strengthens my faith into the LORD. Praised be thy name!

Amen.

13 hours ago, ayin jade said:

cats are the devil (seriously he made a whole sermon of this) etc.

I had to laugh so hard reading this, I didnt even know about the cat thing

1 minute ago, Debp said:

The more I see even his video titles, the more alarmed I get.   There are some videos on YouTube giving rebuttals to him I see.

Most pastors would be ashamed to have such a titles...

The titles are very much clickbait

4 minutes ago, Willie T said:

I know I have read that he thinks the Earth is hollow, and that is where Hell is located.

I think I saw a clip of that video

2 minutes ago, Debp said:

I've never heard of him.  Kim is a Korean name....I live in an area known as Koreatown and we have hundreds of Korean churches here.   Do you know if he operates out of Los Angeles?

Yes from what I heard hes Korean, I dont know from where he operates, his video description says " UC Berkeley & PBI "

1 minute ago, Yowm said:

Any particular concerns?

Not concerned, just curious if what he does and preaches is true to the Bible. Im not sure but it seems like he gets alot of backlash.