alchristfollower

I just finished a study on what "hell" actually is, why it doesn't exist yet, where it will actually be, what it will be like, where it's fire will originate from, where the "judgement" will take place, what "Mount Zion" actually is, and where it will be. 

7 hours ago, Yowm said:

Because you have ignored dozens of mine.

Ok let's take Rom 8:4

There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit.
(Rom 8:1-5)
 

We uphold the law as we uphold  Christ by faith...not by works of the law. The law is now written on our hearts and is our delight but it does not justify us in God's sight.

We have died to the law that we may serve God through a new and living way Rom 7:4, you don't seem to want to acknowledge that fact.

Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God.
(Rom 7:4)
 

You just quoted a verse that says exactly what I said! You can only die to the Torah when you die to sin, "set you free in the Messiah Yeshuah from the Torah of sin and death" and "you have been set free from sin", which happens by the airflow of God, "For the Torah of the airflow of life has set you free", because the Torah has no power to set us free from sin, the airflow of God does! And by cutting away the sinful nature, then we become dead to sin, and subsequently become dead to Torah, because a Torah that reveals all that is sin no longer has a hold on a man that has been freed from sin and can no longer sin, and in this way, a man who receives the airflow of God is caused to obey Torah perfectly, which we were never able to do ourselves on our own without the airflow of God, "IN ORDER THAT THE RIGHTEOUS REQUIREMENT OF THE TORAH MIGHT BE FULFILLED IN US... WHO WALK ACCORDING TO THE AIRFLOW". There is never a point where the Torah is discarded, the difference is that there is a righteousness caused by you while you still have your sinful nature, which still obeys Torah, and there is a righteousness caused by the airflow of God that releases you of your sinful nature, which still obeys Torah, but in a greater way. The latter is a superior righteousness than the former. As such, rather than understand these things, you people have gone in the complete other direction, by becoming LAW-LESS, thinking that becoming dead to Torah because of being set free from sin means "let us discard Torah!", when in fact the Messiah taught, "I did not come to abolish the Torah" and "until heaven and earth passes away not one jot or one tittle will pass from the Torah".

2 hours ago, Sojourner414 said:

Did you forget the verses that precede those you mashed together out of context?

"This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us. My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world. " (1 John 1:5-10, 1 John 2:1-2NASB, emphasis mine)

And this is in the same book that you quoted; how is it that you forget this passage? You cannot claim "perfection" when God's own word declares that if we say we have no sin, we are calling God a liar. So with that stated, let's look at your passages again, this time, in context:

" Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother." (1 John 3:4-10, NASB, emphasis mine)

What you left out was the word "practices"; in Greek, the word used in sentence is poiōn, or, "to make a path". In this case, the person sinning is not just committing a sin, but making a "path" or habit out of it. They have not repented, but simply sought to remove the penalty for sin and continue on with their unregenerate lives. What you're trying to sell here is salvation via works,  and such a stance is not Scriptural.

(and yes Omega, this is on topic. You don't get to delete my post).

 

 

Let me requote,

NO ONE WHO ABIDES IN HIM SINS; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. (1 John 3:6)

WE KNOW THAT EVERYONE BORN OF GOD DOES NOT SIN; but the one engendered of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him. (I John 5:18)

WHOSEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOES NOT SIN; for his seed remaineth in him: AND HE CANNOT SIN, BECAUSE IS BORN OF GOD. (1 John 3:9)

No matter how much you try to twist these scriptures, there is absolutely no denying that the scriptures teach that men can completely stop sinning. It is called becoming set apart by the airflow of God, which perfects a man inwardly, and cuts away the sinful nature of the heart, and is the righteousness of God caused by his airflow. This is the truth of what the scriptures teach which I have been saying over and over again. If you do not reach a point in your lives where you completely rid yourselves of sin, then you cannot inherit the kingdom of God. What do you suppose the Feast of Unleavened Bread meant by getting rid of absolutely all yeast in the house to then participate in the feast? We are also told to become living sacrifices to God, are you not aware that all sacrifices to God must be perfect and without any blemishes? Or how about participating in the Passover, that no man can be unclean when he eats the Passover? You fool yourself into believing a lie that the Messiah died in order to forgive your continual sins, instead of believing the truth that he died to forgive your PAST sins and cause you to never sin again, just as it is written concerning his first coming,

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy set-apart city, TO FINISH TRANSGRESSION, AND TO MAKE AN END TO SIN, AND TO ATONE FOR INIQUITY, AND TO BRING IN AEONIAL RIGHTEOUSNESS, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most set-apart one. (Daniel 9:24)

Just now, Yowm said:

Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
(Rom 7:4)
 

Why is it that you keep ignoring the scriptures I am quoting you? Are you so keen to discard the Torah? Let me requote,

IN ORDER THAT THE RIGHTEOUS REQUIREMENT OF THE TORAH MIGHT BE FULL MET IN US, who do not live according to the flesh BUT ACCORDING TO THE AIRFLOW. (Romans 8:4)

DO WE, THEN, NULLIFY THE TORAH BY THIS BELIEF? NOT AT ALL! RATHER, WE UPHOLD THE TORAH. (Romans 3:31)

3 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. (Rom 7:4)

For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. (Gal 2:19)

And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: (Php 3:9)

Ga 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Ga 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Ga 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Ga 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
 

You are only dead to the Torah when you become dead to sin. If you still sin, then you are still under Torah. Once you are freed from sin, then you are subsequently freed from Torah, because a Law that reveals everything that is sin no longer has a hold over someone that has been freed from sin and can no longer sin. As such, rather than become perfected and no longer be under Torah in that way, you have gone in the complete opposite direction and have become lawless, to your own demise, because of your confusion of why someone who is set apart by the airflow of God is no longer under Torah. The perfection caused by the airflow of God is the righteousness that comes from above and is not the righteousness that we establish on our own according to Torah, although it is indeed through Torah that we subsequently die to Torah,

For through the Torah I died to the Torah so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with the Messiah and I no longer live, but the Messiah lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by belief in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. (Galatians 2:19-2)

Because the Torah reveals all that is sin, that you must stop doing, to then receive the airflow of God, when then frees you from sin, and subsequently causes you to die to Torah. This isn't so difficult to understand.

1 hour ago, Badjao33 said:

While I disagree with aChristfollower's position. I just wanted to point out that keeping the law and being obedient to the Torah didn't mean that a person was perfect or had to live a sinless life, it only meant that they followed the law. 

When someone living under the law violated a law there was a sacrifice contained within the law to atone for that violation. These sacrifices for atonement can be found in the first seven chapters of Leviticus. So when someone broke a law and followed up by offering the proper sacrifice he was justified in keeping the law. The law was not impossible to keep and many were able to according to the scriptures. 

And said to them, “You have kept all that Moses the servant of the Lord commanded you, and have listened to my voice in all that I commanded you. (Joshua 22:2)

Yet they did not listen to their judges, for they played the harlot after other gods and bowed themselves down to them. They turned aside quickly from the way in which their fathers had walked in obeying the commandments of the Lord; they did not do as their fathers. (Judges 2:17)

For he clung to the Lord; he did not depart from following Him, but kept His commandments, which the Lord had commanded Moses. (2 Kings 18:6)

We know David was far from perfect, but he also found justification while living under the law.

Nevertheless I will not take the whole kingdom out of his hand, but I will make him ruler all the days of his life, for the sake of My servant David whom I chose, who observed My commandments and My statutes; (1 Kings 11:34)

An individual prior to Christ and the cross was guilty of breaking the law until the they made a sacrifice, but after the sacrifice was made he was forgiven and the individual was seen as justified in the eyes of God for keeping the law and following its ordinances. 

Today however, and where aChristfollower is in error, we are justified by faith alone.  It's each person’s responsibility to repent, or turn away from unbelief and rebellion against God and acknowledge their faith in Christ as Lord and Savior. Repentance from our sins comes by the help of the Holy Spirit in us. Sanctification is a progressive work by which the believer becomes more and more free from sin and more and more like Christ and is an ongoing process from the time of our salvation until our physical bodies die. This process is not of our own doing and is accomplished through the work of the Holy Spirit. "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me" (Galatians 2:20)  Just as salvation does not depend on our works, neither does sanctification. Both are the work of God by His grace. 

“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9) 

Righteousness begins with belief, if your belief does not become works, then your belief is dead and useless. The righteousness of God is defined by the Torah, hence "if we are careful to obey these commands this shall be our righteousness", which means that your belief should eventually become the righteousness defined by the Torah at the very least, OR GREATER than the righteousness defined by it. The greater righteousness than the Torah comes through belief in the Messiah, through the setting apart of the airflow of God, which cuts away the sinful nature of the heart, which in turn, causes you to become more righteous than even Abraham and Moses, because you no longer have the sinful nature as they did, which is possible through the blood of the Messiah, which the blood of animals was never able to do. Even so, in the greater righteousness caused by the airflow of God, you still obey Torah! There is never a point in time where the righteousness of God discards Torah, otherwise it is not righteousness, no matter how much you believe!

And I WILL PUT MY AIRFLOW WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules. (Ezekiel 36:27)

IN ORDER THAT THE RIGHTEOUS REQUIREMENT OF THE TORAH MIGHT BE FULL MET IN US, who do not live according to the flesh BUT ACCORDING TO THE AIRFLOW. (Romans 8:4)

DO WE, THEN, NULLIFY THE TORAH BY THIS BELIEF? NOT AT ALL! RATHER, WE UPHOLD THE TORAH. (Romans 3:31)

This is why whoever receives the airflow of God, which is also called being "born of God", cannot sin,

NO ONE WHO ABIDES IN HIM SINS; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. (1 John 3:6)

WE KNOW THAT EVERYONE BORN OF GOD DOES NOT SIN; but the one engendered of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him. (I John 5:18)

WHOSEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOES NOT SIN; for his seed remaineth in him: AND HE CANNOT SIN, BECAUSE IS BORN OF GOD. (1 John 3:9)

Because he is literally born again into a new man free from the sinful nature,

And AIRFLOW OF YEHOVAH SHALL SPRING UPON YOU, and you shall prophesy with them, and YOU SHALL TURN INTO ANOTHER MAN. (1 Samuel 10:6)

In Him YOU WERE CIRCUMCISED IN THE PUTTING OFF OF YOUR SINFUL NATURE… (Colossians 2:11)

And I WILL GIVE YOU A NEW HEART, AND A NEW AIRFLOW I WILL PUT WITHIN YOU. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. (Ezekiel 36:26)

These are not figures of speech guys, these are literal things. UNDERSTAND! For your own sakes please understand!

8 minutes ago, Cobalt1959 said:

You're not pitching anything new here that myself, and everyone else here have not heard before in one form or another.  We've all heard the bogus line of reasoning that "I can become perfect like Christ."  A flawed human is never perfect while still on this Earth except positionally before God thru Christ.  If you actually believe you will get to the point of being "sinless" on this earth you are deluding yourself and you do not actually understand what constitutes sin.  Preaching a doctrine that is false is in and of itself a sin, so you might want to consider what you are preaching before attempting to spread it all over the board.  You are actually taking yourself several steps away from what you claim you will obtain.

Did you somehow ignore the scriptures I just quoted? Hello? Let me requote,

NO ONE WHO ABIDES IN HIM SINS; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. (1 John 3:6)

WE KNOW THAT EVERYONE BORN OF GOD DOES NOT SIN; but the one engendered of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him. (I John 5:18)

WHOSEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOES NOT SIN; for his seed remaineth in him: AND HE CANNOT SIN, BECAUSE IS BORN OF GOD. (1 John 3:9)

You are the one in error, not realizing that unless you reach this perfection, which you claim does not exist, and call me a liar for believing exactly as the scriptures states, you will never inherit the kingdom of God.

Just now, Cobalt1959 said:

Then you have a serious problem, and you are not nearly as secure as you think you are, because no one can be perfectly obedient to Torah.  That is the point of the New Covenant and Christ's sacrifice.  There is no credible debate otherwise if one actually follows Christ.

That is not true, for the apostles declared, "he has PERFECTED by one sacrifice those who have been set apart" and "he has freed us from sin" and "he who is born of God cannot sin", so it is clear from what the apostles teach that men can indeed become perfected, through the setting apart work of the airflow of God. And actually, if you do not attain this perfection, you cannot inherit the kingdom of God. The Messiah taught "be perfect".

Just now, Yowm said:

Please don't put words in my mouth.

In the case I am using it here, repentance means to rethink your false gospel because it's end for you and those who follow your message will be destruction. (I'm done here)

My false gospel that we should lower ourselves by "sell your possessions" and "no one can be my disciple unless they sell give up everything they have" as the Messiah taught and as the early assemblies did in obedience to that command? My false gospel that we should begin to do good works by giving to the poor when the Messiah taught, "give to the poor"? My false gospel that we should obey the Torah when the Messiah taught "I did not come to absolish the Law" and "until heaven and earth passes away not one jot or one tittle will fall from the Law"? My false gospel that the blood of the Messiah frees us from sin and perfects us, which the blood of animals was never able to do? 

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Perhaps it is you who believes in a false gospel and a false Yeshuah that you call "Jesus".

2 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Yes I know what 'set apart' means. 

Do you even know what the Gospel is and the consequences of proclaiming another gospel?

Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
(1Co 15:1-4)
 

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
(Gal 1:8-9)
 

Your 'works' salvation will one day testify against you unless you repent.

Repentance means stop doing evil. If you think repentance simply means feel sorry while you continue doing evil works then you have fooled yourself into believing a lie that your belief in no way should involve your works! The gospel of the Messiah is about ceasing to do evil, and begin to do good works. Why do you think the Messiah taught, "give to the poor"? Hello?

2 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Setting us apart is called s-a-n-c-t-i-f-i-c-a-t-i-o-n. I was speaking of justifiacation where the righteousness that we are robed with is far Holier than that 'almost perfect obedience' you think you have attained in this life. Your perfect obedience is no way close to perfection when compared to His.

There is nothing set apart about you if you are sinning like everyone else, even if you do believe. But now, if you are freed from your sinful nature, by truly receiving the airflow of God, then you are truly set apart from everyone else. Do you even understand what "set-apart" means? The Torah declares, "so you can distinguish between the set-apart and the ordinary". If you are ordinarily sinning like everyone else, you are not set-apart. Once you are truly set apart by the airflow of God by having the sinful nature cut away, then you are made righteous, and are subsequently perfected and caused to never sin again. This is the "perfect obedience" of God that I speak of, which I do not claim to have yet, but I am working towards it, because it happens only when you have lowered yourself by selling your possessions, completely obey Torah, and begin to do good works... all through belief in the Messiah. You have fooled yourself if you think mere belief will save you.

Just now, Yowm said:

No it does not. You are declared righteous (imputed ..not inputed) by faith in Jesus Christ and His atoning work. You are doing just as the Catholics do (hence the OP topic) and that is confusing our justification with our sanctification. Justification is a declared righteousness on the basis of an OUTWARD work of God in which we had nothing to do with. Sanctification is God a work of God WITHIN the believer where through His Word, Spirit and trials He molds us into a righteous vessel.

The airflow of God sets us apart on the inside, which happens the moment he cuts away the sinful nature, and in turn, makes us righteous, all through belief in the Messiah.

2 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

YOU MEAN HOLY SPIRIT .    yeah I heard this word air flow before , but cant quite remember who was teaching it .

ONLY CHRIST can set the captives free .     AND ITS PRECISELY WHAT HE CAME TO DO .      WE are servants to whom we obey and that will never change

EITHER we obey CHRIST , THE SPIRIT and by that power and abilty have a way out of EVERY TEMPTATION , or we serve the flesh .   THIER IS no middle ground .

THIS is why those who do err, must be corrected and fast .  But pard ,  I seen YOU SAY ,   with your own mouth , I GOT a few MORETHINGS

left to do .   YOU are seeking to be justified by torah , by the law , and yet DONT realize this .

JESUS CHRIST took our sins in his own body on the tree,     SO THAT WE BEING DEAD TO SIN SHOULD LIVE UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS.     NOW most folks don't teach that .

But ,   what I see you doing ,  is not pointing to Christ ,  you seeking to be justified by your actions , instead of SEEKING to be justified BY CHRSIT

WHO CHANGES OUR ACTIONS . 

If I were seeking to be made righteous by Torah, I wouldn't be speaking of the perfection that comes from the airflow of God, I would just be saying, "obey only the Torah" as the Jews say, but that is not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is "obey Torah", inclusive of doing the good works of the Torah, in conjunction with belief in the Messiah and his teachings, which say "lower yourself" by "selling your possessions and all your properties", to then receive the set-apart airflow, which will grant you a righteousness greater than you can achieve on your own, to perfectly obey Torah, because you have been set free from your sinful nature by receiving the set-apart airflow.

7 minutes ago, Yowm said:

I see, you don't seem to comprehend the imputed righteousness of Christ. As Christians we are robed (covered) in the Righteousness of Jesus Chrisst which is far better than your 'almost perfect obedience'. Otherwise He is working in us both to will and do of His good pleasure.

Imputed righteousness means that you are made righteous by the airflow of God, through belief in the Messiah, when he enters your body and frees you from the sinful nature, hence "imputed righteousness". It never means you believe in the Messiah, and then continue committing adultery, and you are called "righteous", for in that case you are not righteous, no matter how much you believe. The righteousness of God always involves both belief and also works, which is why the belief of Abraham, through which righteousness was imputed to him, also came with works.

4 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

I am witnessing a grave danger .    Before I do continue on that note let me just say a quick reminder to this post .   WOULD BEING a muslim stop one from being saved

would being an atheist stop one from being saved ,  would being a non JESUS following Jew stop one from being saved

would being a catholic stop one from being saved .     NOT IF THEY REPENT of the LIE and RECIEVE CHRIST .   BUT IF THEY DO THAT , they wont be claiming any of those

titles as genuine , THEY WOULD KNOW they false .    

A muslim must reject his old mindset , AND reject that wicked Koran , allah and KNOW that ONLY JESUS SAVES .

IS a Mormon saved ,    no more than a catholic .   no they are not saved .   BUT they can be PULLED OUT of the lie , out of darkness, JUST as us true believers once were .

Now ,  back to the opening statement .  I SEE ONE in dire grave danger on this site .     They are trying to justify themselves by the law

AND ITS VERY EVIDENT , cause they even said THEY HAVE A FEW MORE THINGS to work out before being obedient to TORAH .

IN CHRIST the law has already been put on our heart .   WE live BY THE SPIRIT , we walk BY THE SPIRIT ,  but if we ever look to the law to be justified

YE HAVE FALLEN FROM GRACE .       AND SINCE WE ONLY SAVED BY GRACE ,  this means YA AINT SAVED .     BETTER POINT TO JESUS or risk it all .

BETTER POINT to JESUS or be prepared to hear , I NEVER KNEW YOU ,  you who thought you could be justified by the law and not rather BY FAITH in the ONE WHO FULLFILLED ALL

CHRIST THE KING of kings and LORD of LORDS .    Folks ,  we better realize we got one among us that is in dire and grave danger for he stands and works tobe JUSTIIFIED by the law

AND THE LAW can only condmen .    FOR ALL MEN HAVE SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT .      STAND justified on the law ,   YOU stand CONVICTED BY THE LAW as THIS , a TRANSGRESSOR.

THIS IS far more serious a matter than some may realize .  I warn us all, this man is in dire danger .    Now by grace we don't MAKE VOID the law

no , its established on our hearts , we simply walk IN THE SPIRIT and heed not the flesh .   

You can only be freed from Torah if you are freed from your sinful nature, because the Torah no longer has power over you, since you have been freed from that which the Torah reveals, sin. This is only possible if you receive the airflow of God, which frees you from your sinful nature, and perfects you, which is when you begin to walk according to the airflow, and not according to the desires of your body, "the flesh". And even when you are freed from sin, and walk according to the airflow of God, you end up obeying Torah, even though you are no longer under it, because freedom from sin also means obedience to Torah.

1 minute ago, Yowm said:

God may be 100% Holy and Pure but the holiest of men maybe reach about 4%. 

I hope that burst your bubble and instills a tad bit of humility (which is part and parcel of perfect obedience).

Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, Philippians 3:13 (KJV)

Obedience to God is not lack of humility, and if you think that, you are in serious trouble. The Torah has a finite amount of commands, and either you obey them, or you don't. Paul called himself perfect in terms of obedience to the Torah. Noah was called perfect in his generations, because of his obedience to Torah, which was known even before Moses. Either you obey Torah, or you don't. If 4% represents the percentage of how much you obey Torah, then you are in some serious trouble, "depart from me, you workers of lawlessness".

14 minutes ago, Cobalt1959 said:

So you are in perfect obedience to God?

No, but I am close. I have a few more affairs to finalize before I come into perfect obedience to the Torah of God.

1 minute ago, Butero said:

Men do go to heaven or hell right after death, and the doctrine of the trinity is correct.

Not true. None of those statements. You have been deceived.

9 minutes ago, Figure of eighty said:

What's the Torah? And the second part is true. Either you go to heaven or hell after death. 

The Torah is the Law of God, the first five books of the bible. It has not been abolished. No one goes to heaven. And no one is in Hell, yet. When the Messiah returns, and comes to rule over and live on the earth, he will do so with his people, meaning our destination is the earth, not ascending into heaven, with the difference than rather than living in mortal bodies on this earth, we will attain immortal bodies, and rather than having little, we will be given the entire earth as inheritance, and given authority to rule over nations. It is in that time that men will begin to be thrown in Hell, which will be on the south side of Jerusalem, in the Valley of Hinnom, which is why Yeshuah called our English word "Hell" with the Hebrew word "Gehenna", which is that same valley. And on the east side of Jerusalem in the Valley of Jehoshafat, where the judgment will be, where each man will be judged there, and then thrown into the lava on the other side of Jerusalem. So where does that leave all men that have died since the beginning? Asleep, exactly as Yeshuah and the apostles said the state of the dead was, with their souls awaiting resurrection in the future. The pope is full of lies that have literally deceived the entire world, in which case even many churches that have separated themselves from him still believe many of his lies. That is why the Roman church is not just a whore, but a mother of whores, because she has birthed many more whores into existence.

5 minutes ago, Figure of eighty said:

What other lies are there?

That the Torah is abolished. That men go right to heaven after death. That men go to hell right after death. That the Shabbat is now on Sunday. That God is a trinity. And many more.

36 minutes ago, LadyKay said:

But I am a Gentile. 

 

Most kids go as Spiderman or Batman or some other superhero.  Seen a few dress up as a box of crayons. We don't get many witches or devils anymore. 

The Torah is for everyone. "Thou shall not murder" is for both Jew and Gentile. The Torah was given through Israel to be presented unto the entire world. What do you suppose will be the Law by which the earth will be ruled by when the Messiah returns? The Torah. Do not be ignorant. Stop celebrating Halloween.

On 10/2/2018 at 9:47 AM, Melinda12 said:

To me, all about worship of evil. Bad news. It worries me as dark forces have lulled people into taking part in such misguidedness. 

As a Christian what is your position?

Celebrating Halloween is sin. In fact, celebrating anything that is outside of what has been established by the Torah and the people of God is sin, because these are all Gentile celebrations that the Torah says, "you shall not do as they do". Not to mention the obvious evil that exist in Halloween.... people dressing up like Satan, people dressing up as witches? Common now, let us use intelligence, any man that professes to be of God will not celebrate this.

On 10/27/2018 at 9:39 PM, Figure of eighty said:

I know the main issue is. Worshipping Mary.. 

But despite. That I know there are some very devout Catholics who take their faith seriously. 

Will misplaced prayer keep them from a deep relationship with God?

Yes, because the pope teaches many other lies that will prevent you from coming into the complete truth and perfect obedience of God.

I just finished a study on the ancient calendar of the Torah, also why the ancient calendars were 360 days, why the months of those calendars were lunar, how to tell when the first new moon of the year is to then determine the correct time of the Torah festivals throughout the year, what the "new moon" of the Torah looked like, when the different crops become ready for harvest in correlation with the Torah festivals, what "aviv" barley means, why Yeshuah could not have died on a Friday, and when the seven trumpets of Revelation and the seven bowls of Revelation happen in correlation with the autumn festivals of the Torah. Check out the study here,

1 hour ago, Philadelphianlady said:

To @AlChristfollower:

 

What do you think about Hosea 6:1-2

Come, and let us return to the Lord;
For He has torn, but He will heal us;
He has stricken, but He will bind us up.
² After two days He will revive us;
On the third day He will raise us up,
That we may live in His sight.

 

What are the dates for the 2000 years (2 days) that would end in 2023. Is it Christ's crucifixion? Our calendar seems screwed.

26 AD is the time he the Messiah was anointed, in the autumn, and he was crucified 3 1/2 years later in the spring of 30 AD, which means 2026 AD is precisely 2,000 years since he was anointed, and 2030 is precisely 2,000 years since he was crucified. Although I do not know what this prophecy in Hosea speaks of exactly, it could pertain to the resurrection of the chosen in the third segment, "third day", of the 2,000 - 3,000 years of the rulership of the Messiah, which correspond to the Year 6000 YB to the Year 7000 YB. And yes, our calendar is screwed up.