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1 hour ago, The Barbarian said:

I value bluntness, but sometimes, it boils over into something worse.

Yeah, I got a strike for this once. Have come close to doing it again multiple times. It is hard for me to catch the reaction in real time. slaps on the face really helps.

4 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

What He did validate was that the Scriptures are the inspired words of God and every word therein is true

My dear brother. We know only a portion of the truth, and what we say about God is always incomplete. I hear you saying that you are at the peak of what is possible to understand. I should follow lock step with your perception of the complete truth, because I will not find a greater spokesperson. I have learned from painful experience that using words like "in my opinion," or "I could be wrong," helps cure this maladjustment

1 hour ago, The Barbarian said:

Not all of them are.

That is a good point. I would not dare say they are not Christians filled with the Holy Spirit. What seems to happen is these kinds of debates bring out the worst in people, degrading into domineering narcissist displays of frustration. This is want people outside the sphere of influence tend to see. The need to be always right smothers the light of Love. I have fallen into that trap many times.

12 hours ago, Tristen said:

(i.e. as angry fanatics who think they "know everything" and are "not in the spirit of Christ").

My point throughout the debate is consistent, "Now our knowledge is partial and incomplete, and even the gift of prophecy reveals only part of the whole picture!" or "For our gifts of knowledge and of inspired messages are only partial." I Corinthians 13:9. Yes, Christian-know-it-allism is contrary the humility of the Spirit. We know only a portion of the truth, and what we say about God is always incomplete. I know some things, but I also recognize and accept my ignorance is greater

*I said the world views Creationist as always angry.

*The phrase with "know everything" was generalized including myself.

*Falling down a rabbit hole of endless futile argument is an unfruitful waist of time. Our individual belief systems are not the real issue. It has no affect on our salvation, Christ Body relationship or the Gospel. There is a more pressing issue of the Spirit that is being addressed. Humility is the focus, because, I know the discipline of the Fathers loving hand in this matter all too well.

Thank you, for your input. I need improvement and truly appreciate it. Will pray about it.

8 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

Deliberately misquoting the Bible to teach as fact something diametrically opposed to what is written is heresy.

That is exactly what flat Earth Christians and church leaders of the Middle Ages said. I wish to avoid repeating that mistake of over-confidence in our ability to perceive the meaning of what is written.

7 hours ago, Tristen said:

In one breath you are suggesting we should avoid dogmatism, but in the next breath you are negatively characterizing those who disagree with you about creationism

You may be right. This is my level of competency in dealing with the issue. I use post as a school for myself to better formulate and explore these problems. I will contemplate this issue, be it personal inconsistency or unclear messaging.

On 2/5/2024 at 1:50 PM, Starise said:

When These People are Unsure Their Proper Appropriation and May Need to Appropriately Evaluate The Appropriations

Does the title seem appropriate?

Ha ha! How about toxic positivity being considered the right way to respond. Overdoing a positive attitude is an acceptable way to marginalize and devalue peoples experiences and struggles. "Just look on the bright side," or "it could always be worse," is some of the most inappropriate/appropiate things to say in a time of distress. My line is, "happiness is a choice."

2 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

At some point it ceases to be about finding a better understanding and becomes nothing more than an attack on the creator.

I would think an attack on God would be more on the line of not having charity or not enduring in His promises. Questioning the accuracy of a literal interpretation to a spiritually appraised text is more a challenge to one's capacity to comprehend than God's ability to act.

On 2/8/2024 at 2:22 PM, Keras said:

The rest of the world’s peoples will organise a One World Government, as their leaders have gone. 10 regions will be established, each led by a President. It will not be long before one will assume full dictatorial powers.  Then the rest of the end time prophesies unfold.

"Therefore, do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward. For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God, you may receive what was promised."  Hebrews 10:35-36

48 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

While the Bible does not teach that the earth is flat, neither does the Bible explicitly teach that the earth is spherical.

That is not how the early Bible scholars saw it. My point is you are using knowledge from the Enlightenment to enhance your interpretations. All I ask is for you is not to judge us for trying to gain a better understanding than the literal interpretations of the time.

On 2/6/2024 at 4:46 PM, Sparks said:

Darwin, in The Descent of Man declared that eugenic proposals were an "overwhelming evil."    And they are.   It is a stain on the foundations of YE creationism.

Actually, the belief in reincarnation has provided the moral justification to cleanse swabs of humanity off Earth. They think they are doing the world a favor by giving undesirables a second chance to be reeducated or given a proper presentation when they come back.

12 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

A better question is, why do you post the same arguments as the unbelievers; the inheritance of damnation? 

I return the question. Why do you post the blasphemy of Galileo Galilei? If you do not repent of your sin by confessing the Earth is flat and static as the Bible states I will report you to the Inquisition. Then we will see who's right. ;)

6 hours ago, Tristen said:

Insinuating that those who disagree with you think they know everything is (ironically) both arrogant and dishonest.

So, that is what you got out of it. I think you are twisting the words out of context and missing the point. Does this help?

"Now our knowledge is partial and incomplete, and even the gift of prophecy reveals only part of the whole picture!" I Corinthians 13:9

"And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know." 1 Corinthians 8:2

"Let no one deceive himself. If any of you thinks he is wise in this age, he should become foolish, so that he may become wise." 1 Corinthians 3:18

6 hours ago, Renskedejonge said:

The earth is hollow and the Sun, moon and stars are inside the hollow earth.

That is the the modern view? Sorry, I have not kept my studies up-to-date. ;)

1 hour ago, RV_Wizard said:

but we do see sunrise, sunset and changes in seasons.

I believe your wild view is heretical. Open your eyes, what is obvious is the Earth is a flat table under a dome of water and the Sun floats upon it. I do not appreciate you suggesting otherwise. Prove it with scripture.

1 hour ago, RV_Wizard said:

Earth goes roundy-round again.

The Bible does not teach that the Earth orbits the Sun or that it rotates. I don't believe you.

8 hours ago, Tristen said:

On one hand, you appeal to everyone to be more flexible (or less inflexible) in our positions - because none of us has all the information.

It is said, being wise is not about knowing everything, it is sustained by acknowledging the limits of what we know.

15 minutes ago, Tristen said:

Now you can say, 'maybe God really meant this or that' - or maybe God just gave them a nice creation poem because He was dealing with dimwits from the Bronze age.

I believe the Bible is our authority, the inspired Word of God that edifies us. I also believe that God delivers information on a need to know basis appropriate for our stages of development. I wait eagerly for the Resurrection, so I can know God even as I am known. Thank you, Jesus, for opening the door.

11 hours ago, Tristen said:

Well, that is definitely one story of history. But that is very different story to the history spelled out in Genesis.

Paul taught us better than that. We know the full truth has not been revealed to us and that we only have a dim window into God's glory. I am taught that making bold, presumptuous proclamations of total and complete understanding is not in the Spirit of Jesus Christ.

7 hours ago, The_Patriot21 said:

The creation account is 100% true as it is written in the Bible, God created everything in 7 literal, consecutive, 24 hour days. Any other interpretation is a lie and contrary to scripture.

That is a safe route to take. Some like to explore opportunities for more profound understanding of scripture. In the end there is no difference, the quality of faith and hope are the same. 

2 hours ago, The_Patriot21 said:

When it comes to creation, that part is very, very clear. It is already foolish to disagree with it

I agree with the creation stories theologically and that they are inspired by God for our edification. I question our ability to understand the context surrounding them, the purpose they served in 2200 BC to counteract the Babel myth's, 600 years before the Bible texts and why they used common knowledge of the time in their formulation.

7 hours ago, The_Patriot21 said:

If your evidence is contrary to the Bible, either your evidence is wrong, or your understanding of the evidence is wrong.

To say we can see clearly and without fault is not in line with Biblical teaching. God has not yet revealed the full picture and the science of today will be foolishness to later generations. 

2 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

The likelihood of God lying about how He created the universe is exactly zero

2 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

The likelihood of God lying about how He created the universe is exactly zero. 

1 hour ago, RV_Wizard said:

The creation of the universe was a supernatural event

Yes, I agree. These things are beyond our comprehension. We can only stare in awe at the majesty of it all. The orchestra of life is beautiful to behold. Even when it is seen through a dim glass. Imagine what it will be like after our resurrection. I crave that everyday.