The Light

Here you go. Romans 11 11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? Jeremiah 8 20 The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved. I absolutely DO NOT think the 144,000 are Israeli nationals. I think the 144,000 are of the seed of the woman, Israel, but they have not moved home to Israel. The 144,000 come out of 12 tribes across the earth. The 12 tribes across the earth are where blindness is removed. They are the second fold that will be raptured at the 6th seal. Those in the nation of Israel will either be killed or they will flee to a place of protection. They will remain on the earth during the 7th seal wrath of God. So I guess you are back to there is no male or female. Look around. This will not happen until after the two folds are joined into one.

The Gentiles know Jesus as Messiah. We are the first fold. The are other sheep not of this for that the Lord must also bring. This is the second fold. You always jump to the cake and leave out the process of making the cake. John 10 14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. 15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Don't be ignorant of the fact that after the fullness of the Gentiles come in at the pretribulation rapture part of Israel will have their blindness removed. Romans 11 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. Don't be ignorant of this............ Romans 11 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. You seem to be unaware of God's plan. Romans 11 11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

Dire prediction? I'm talking scriptural facts. Most of the natural branches that have their blindness removed, cannot have their blindness removed until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. Romans 11 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. No. I didn't miss anything. Most of Israel is currently blind. They cannot have their blindness removed and be regrafted until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. The rapture of the Church will cause jealously of the Jews as they will miss the summer harvest. Jeremiah 8 20 The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.

Blindness is removed from part of Israel. Romans 11 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. The 144,000 which are of the 12 tribes across the earth are first fruits. Revelation 14 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. First fruits and then the harvest. Proverbs 3 9 Honour the Lord with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase: 10 So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine. Here is the harvest. 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. Those righteous that are harvested are singing the song of Moses as they are of the 12 tribes across the earth. They are the seed of the woman Israel. Revelation 14 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. The woman Israel is in a place of protection and remains on the earth during the wrath of God. The dragon goes after the woman seed which is the 12 tribes across the earth some of which have their blindness removed. Revelation 12 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. The 12 tribes across the earth go through the great tribulation and is raptured at the 6th seal. Those of the nation of Israel remain on the earth during the wrath of God. Matthew 24 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Revelation 12 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. Revelation 12 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Yes the hardening serves a clear purpose and that purpose cannot take place until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. Romans 11 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Ruth is a Gentile. She is a picture of the Gentile bride of Christ. The Jews are the natural branches. The Gentiles are the wild branches. You cannot make a wild branch a natural branch.

You just want to talk about the cake, the final result. You want to skip the process of making the cake. And in no way does that effect the price of eggs. We know the part of Israel is the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman, as the woman, those in the nation of Israel, flee to her place of protection when the AOD is set up. And we know the dragon goes after the woman's seed when he can't get to the woman. The believers that know Jesus is Messiah are principally Gentiles as the Jews are blinded except for the election. John 10 14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. 15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. The Gentiles receive salvation, and the Jews are not saved until they are provoked to jealously. Romans 11 10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway. 11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? The harvest is past. The Jews see that the Gentiles have been raptured. The summer is ended. There is no more summer harvest. The Jews are not saved. They will be provoked to jealously. Jeremiah 8 20 The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.

Sure. Revelation 5 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. It's the last trump that all of the Jews knew about. The Feast of Trumpets, Rosh Hashanah, is celebrated every year. It is a day of blowing trumpets. The Jews did not know about the last trump or 7th trumpet blown by an angel as John had not written Revelation yet. Additionally, the last trump will be blown at the 6th seal as that is when the harvest occurs. The 7th trumpet, which occurs in the 7th seal, is the end of the wrath of God. Numbers 29 And in the seventh month, on the first day of the month, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work: it is a day of blowing the trumpets unto you. By now you should understand Romans 11 and I should have no need to post it. God's plan is all over the Word of God. Here's another example. The Church knows the Lord and He knows us. There are other sheep not of the fold that currently know Jesus as Messiah, He must also bring them as they are the second fold. The second fold cannot happen until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. You can dance around the truth all you want; it does not change the facts. John 10 14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. 15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Great. And since Christ ascended there is one group or fold that knows Jesus is the Messiah. The second fold is still currently blinded and will not have their blindness removed until the fullness of the Gentiles come in at the Pretribulation Rapture which occurs at the Trump of God. The second fold will go through the great tribulation and be raptured at the fall harvest at the Last Trump which is blown on the fall harvest feast of the Feast of Trumpets. LOL. That got me laughing. Jesus separated a people to Himself with their own language and covenants. His people, His Elect, the Chosen people of God. They were to be the first harvest, as the fathers of Israel were seen as the first fruits of the first harvest of the fig tree. However, they severed Baalpeor and were found as grapes in the wildness. Therefore, the Gentiles become the first harvest. Hosea 9 10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved. I'm not sure why you want to deny Gods plan. Protecting a doctrine?

No. The important idea is using the full Word of God. You want to skip right to the Israel of God, and deny that the fullness of the Gentiles must come in before part of Israel has its blindness removed. And yet God says the election obtained that which they seek, and the rest were blinded. That blindness will not be removed from part of Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. Not hardly. There are two folds, just as the Word says. The first fold that will come in are those the know Jesus is the Messiah and He knows us, the Gentile Church. Romans 11 11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. Those of the 12 tribes will realize that they have missed the summer harvest. Jeremiah 8 20 The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved. Part of Israel will have its eyes opened and will accept Jesus as the Messiah and 144,000 first fruits are the first fruits of the coming harvest......the second fold.

Many people have asked why traditional Judaism uses matrilineal descent to determine Jewish status, especially because for tribal affiliation, priestly status, and royalty, patrilineal descent determines membership. The Torah does not specifically state anywhere that matrilineal descent should be used; however, there are several passages in the Torah where the child of a Jewish woman and a non-Jewish man is considered a Jew, and several other passages where the child of a non-Jewish woman and a Jewish man is not considered a Jew. In Deuteronomy 7:1-5, God prohibits intermarriage, saying “he [i.e., the non-Jewish male spouse] will cause your child to turn away from Me and they will worship the gods of others.” The Torah does not include a similar concern is for the child of a non-Jewish female spouse. From this, one can infer that a child of a non-Jewish male spouse is Jewish and can be turned away from Judaism, but the child of a non-Jewish female spouse is not Jewish and turning away is not an issue. Also, Leviticus 24:10 speaks about the son of an Israelite woman and an Egyptian man as “among the community of Israel” (i.e., a Jew). On the other hand, in Ezra 10:2-3, the Jews returning to Israel vowed to put aside their non-Jewish wives and the children born to those wives. They could not have put aside those children if those children were Jews. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/who-is-a-jew

Part of Israel has its blindness removed when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. We can tell by the 144,000 that these are of twelve tribes across the earth. Those in the nation of Israel do not have their blindness removed as they flee to a place of protection when the AOD is set up.

As you know Jews are of the tribe of Judah and all of the 12 tribes get grouped as a Jew. Part of Israel is the 12 tribes across the earth. They are called Jews. I was trying to simplify it for you. If you need me to call them the 12 tribes across the earth......no problem

I'm just wondering if the Germans were hunting and killing a religion in WWII. Romans 3, Romans 9, Acts, Galatians, 1 Corinthians

And yet you dodged the point. A Gentile that attends and synagogue and practices Judaism is not a Jew.

Gentiles are all over the world. Right. Two folds into one fold.

Gentile, first fold. Those of the 12 tribes across the earth, second fold. The two folds become on one-fold, the Israel of God.

Not correct. They do not have their new bodies. Nice but you didn't address the point. His FATHER'S HOUSE is in heaven. That is where He will take us, according to the Word of God. The great multitude is in heaven right after the gathering from heaven and earth. That is where His Father's house is. The wrath of God is one year according to the Word of God. The great tribulation is not Gods wrath. I won't be. Lord of the opening. It seems you do not understand what firstfruits are. The great tribulation is a future event and will not begin until the AOD is set up in the Temple. 22 "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." If the time of the great tribulation is not shortened there would be no flesh raptured alive as they would all be hunted down and killed.

I'm sure you have read about the souls under the altar in Revelation 6. They don't have new bodies and will not have new bodies until they are changed. 1 Corinthians 15 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. Come on. He goes to prepare a place for us at His Fathers house, that where He is we may be also. Cut and dried....FACT. Wherever the Lord is that is where we will be. The Lord comes for His bride and takes us to His Fathers house. Then the Lord returns at the 6th seal for the gathering from heaven and earth. All return to heaven for the marriage supper and will remain there during the one year wrath of God. Then we return with the Lord at Armageddon as part of the armies of heaven. God saw the fathers of Israel as the first fruits of the first harvest. But they served Baalpeor and would not be the first harvest. The Gentiles become the first harvest. Hosea 9 10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved. After the Church is raptured pretrib, then there has to be first fruits of the second harvest as the fig tree has two harvests. That is why there are 144,000 first fruits from the 12 tribes. Revelation 14 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. Scripture proves that you are in error as there are first fruits for the two harvests of the fig tree. Again, your claims are not supported by the Word of God. The tribulation of those days is the great tribulation, and the great tribulation does not begin until the abomination of desolation is set up. Matthew 24 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. As I showed above the tribulation of those days is the great tribulation and it cannot begin until the abomination of desolation is set up.

No sir. The raptures, are to get believers to heaven with their new bodies. The 7th seal is the wrath of God. Believers are not appointed to wrath.......Hence the great multitude in heaven during the wrath of God. Great. Believers will be on earth when the armies of heaven follow the Lord to Armageddon after the marriage supper. You might read Revelation 19. Every man in His order......first fruits and then they that are Christs at His coming. The Church already has its first fruits. Then they that are Christs at His coming.......pretribulation rapture. Then 144,000 first fruits from the 12 tribes across the earth and then they that are Christs at coming at the 6th seal..........immediately after the tribulation and before the wrath of God.

The harvest at the 6th seal, which is the second harvest is the gathering from heaven and earth. All return to heaven for the marriage supper......and are the great multitude in heaven. Well, here are believers that at raptured to heaven and they will be at the marriage supper. BTW, I don't expect you to believe the written Word of God, because if you did, you would see people in heaven for the marriage supper in Revelation 19. Revelation 14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. Yeah, I've heard this nonsense before. Do you not understand that the 7 trumpets and the 7 vials are the wrath of God. Do you just pretend that God's wrath doesn't happen? It proven blindness will be removed from part of Israel when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. For some reason many of you do not understand that the 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel. For some strange, unknown reason many seem to think the 70th week is about the Church.

Says you. The four horsemen on the Apocalypse are the beginning of sorrows in Matthew 24 and that begins with there being false Christs. Matthew 24 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. Oh boy. The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 occurs at the 6th seal. I sorry you are unable to understand that a BLOOD MOON occurs at a LUNAR ECLIPSE. Two minutes on the internet should prove this FACT. Try Googling this "Why does the moon turn red in a lunar eclipse." Your refusal to recognize FACTS is your downfall. Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Revelation 6 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. This had me laughing. Pay no attention to the 7 seven trumpets and 7 vials of God's wrath because Keras says they aren't there. Apparently not. Romans 11 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. Your theories do not agree with the Word of God. For starters: You don't understand Jesus returns at the 6th seal for a harvest. You don't understand that the believers are raptured to heaven for the marriage supper of the Lamb when the wrath of God is on the earth. You don't understand that the 7th seal contains the trumpets and vials of God wrath.

None of the seals are opened. If they are, who is the Antichrist. Where do you come up with this stuff? Here is the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal. He is coming for a harvest. After the harvest the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins. Matthew 24 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. hmmm..... Romans 11 18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

I'm still waiting on your post regarding the 144,000 where Jesus comes to the earth for the first fruits. You said you made 5 posts regarding this, but I am unable to find one. I should be able to locate at least one of these 5 posts but I can't

How do you possibly conclude this? Making this kind of statement is simply your attempt not to address the facts that I have presented in scripture. The Jews are the Chosen people of God. Those that bless the Jewish people will be blessed and those that curse the Jewish people will be cursed. Not even the slightest of chances that I would exalt a group over Israel. I just understand that God says there are two folds, and the Gentiles will be the first fold.