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I want to praise God for allowing me to meet my family again after such a long time.
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1 hour ago, Margo73 said:
I appreciate it, that bothering me in every thread I make is tolerated here. Can you stop interrupting productive conversations by always mentioning me or my private information. Its really distracting for me. I only share personal information that Im comfortable with on the internet, however I did not share it to have it written in every thread, everywhere i write. Atleast do it like the others and limit yourself to only bothering me in private messages.
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42 minutes ago, Margo73 said:
I have told you what is the truth about the ONE AND ONLY GOD and you just wish to keep scrutinising it
Again, what makes you assume that there is only one God and why do you assume that its your God, the God of the bible?
42 minutes ago, Margo73 said:if I had the serious health condition you say you have, I would be seeking God, not denying Him as you are doing
Mine or your health condition, have no influence over which things are true and which are false. How do you know that I should seek Jesus and not Allah or Wischnu or Zeus or Thor or the flying spaghetti monster?
42 minutes ago, Margo73 said:HE IS GOD AND ONLY THOSE WHO "BELIEVE IN FAITH" WILL EVER KNOW HIM
Mohammad is a prophet only to those who have faith and believe in him. Do you see how little value claims like this have?
42 minutes ago, Margo73 said:all the other religions you quoted are ALL MAN-MADE and the gods/goddesses within them are ALL MAN-MADE .. Muhammad was a man and he created Allah
What method did you use to determine what religions are manmade? Did you use the same method on christianity? How did you determine that christianity is true? How did you determine that mohammad was a simple human and jesus the son of god?
42 minutes ago, Margo73 said:keep up the futile activity you are doing and never repent and turn to the ONE and ONLY TRUE CHRISTIAN GOD and you will meet those people in the lake of fire as the unbeliever that you are and will remain, for God is not going to prove Himself to you ..
How dare you to devalue innocent humans to a point where you can even accept that they will experience punishment in an eternal fire in hell. How can you be so cruel and nonloving to humans? Im not morally crooked enough to do that. I have more respect for my cat, than you have to some humans
42 minutes ago, Margo73 said:Leyla, I no longer believe you left Islam and became Christian as you are not Christian and I no longer believe you are as sick as you claim and I no longer believe you are 14 .. I no longer believe anything you said .. what I do believe is you are wasting your time, energy, effort trying to disprove the proven .. proven by faith which rises above all and sees and hears and perceives aka understands what those relying solely on very limited and very fallible insights of mere man WILL NEVER EVER KNOW AND UNDERSTAND OR BELIEVE .. save yourself aka turn to God .. or lose yourself aka turn to man and deny God .. your choice, your sad consequence ..
I dont care about what you believe, but its time to stop following me on every thread, if the only thing you want to do, is saying bad things about me. If you ever decide to participate in a productive conversation then go ahead. However if you only aim to say bad things or to make claims without providing evidence, then atleast stop mentioning my name everytime you do that.
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5 minutes ago, Dove said:
Miracles come in different shapes and sizes. Some are more subtle such as a time when God slowed the rain down as it was ramping up when I prayed for it and let it come pouring down again once I made it to the overhang of the building I was going to. Others are more obvious such as a heavy torrent, that was about to hit a large outdoor congregation during an event as it came their way, suddenly splitting apart when one of the church leaders basically boldly demanded that God stop the rain for the sake of the many souls that would be saved that day during the service. (The rain encircled them. It was also one of the heavy seasonal storms so this was particularly miraculous.)
Could this exact situation, happen in an alternate world, an alternate universe that has no God?
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6 minutes ago, BeauJangles said:
If I Googled the phone numbers of these individual victims, made a conference call, and handed you the phone, would you be comfortable in finding this a very kind thing to do?
No that would be horrible. Something that is horrible is not a miracle from God, so I dont consider this example a miracle
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9 minutes ago, sugarbear said:
Science is fine and interesting to learn but without God there wouldn't be any science. He merely spoke and things came into existence. He's not to be figured out as some scientific experiment. He's God and is above all
Do we have any reason to assume that without God, science would not exist? I think a thought experiment (my favourite one) would help alot. Imagine an alternate universe. Universe A has God. Universe B has no God. How will universe B, be different from universe A? If we can determine how a universe without a God would look like, we can start to compare it with the universe that we live in right now and see if there are any similarities or differences.
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19 minutes ago, PromisesPromises! said:
My receptor is constantly receiving. I have seen many lives totally transformed by the power of Christ.
Thats something I heard with other religions too. I remember that my family had a documentary running about how Islam helped prisoners start a new life, become better humans etc. Islam contradicts the Christian view completly. It seems that religion can change your life, even if its something that is probably not true. ( Scientology, Islam, Paganism etc). I also remember the time when I was on a satanist website similiar to this forum. People talked alot about how finding a new community (that accepts them) helped them in their life. It helped them overcome depression or addiction, find the strength to apply to a job after year long unemployment etc. Just having a community or finding a believe system that ressonates with you, is often enough to change your life. It doesnt tell you anything about the validity of your believe system.
26 minutes ago, PromisesPromises! said:If you believe that these miraculous transformations of the heart, and in many cases, even of circumstance are "less impressive than those in bIblical times," you are really questioning the actual power of God to change a person from dead to alive.
I cant make dead people alive again. Do you have proof that God can bring people back to life?
28 minutes ago, PromisesPromises! said:Will it take your own miraculous resurrection from the grave for you to believe it? Will that Day be impressive enough?
Proof, that the Bible is worth believing in or that (our) God exists would be enough for me.
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9 hours ago, Margo73 said:
what your real agenda is other than "playing" others no one knows but IF you keep this up and do not repent, you will lose yourself and your salvation
I am not playing games I simply examine ideas and check if they are worth believing in.
9 hours ago, Margo73 said:the first step in having eternal salvation is to "believe" and you prove you not only do not believe but you are trying to get others to not believe
I am trying to believe and I am NOT trying to make others not believe. I am simply scrutinising Christianity the way I did with Islam. If Christianity is something that can not withstand scrutiny, then is it really something worth believing in? If Christianity can withstand my scrutiny, then I would have a reason to accept it. We scrutinise EVERY idea, except our religion. Why is religion something we have to make an exception for?
9 hours ago, Margo73 said:the ONE and ONLY TRUE LIVING GOD - the ALPHA AND OMEGA aka the BEGINNING AND THE END - WHO ALWAYS WAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE
Why do you think that Christianity will lead to salvation, and not Islam, Paganism, Buddhism, Janeism, Judaism, the ancient egypt Gods, the old greek gods, Mormonism, Hindus, Sikhism, Bahaism, Confucianism, Shintoism or one of the other thousands of religions? If one religion is true, then all the others are false, and all the other religions will lead to hell (atleast for the religions that have a concept of hell). We have to find the religion that is true, and we can only find it if we question everything and look for the most reasonable religion.
9 hours ago, Margo73 said:proven fact to all true Christians who have the true faith .. please Leyla do not throw away your immortal soul and, perhaps. lead others to throw theirs away .. turn to God and ask Him to help you and He WILL ..
Do you have proof for christianity? Outside of "just believe"? If "just believe" was all that was necesarry, to proof something true, then all religions are true. Every serious follower of a religion, thinks that their religion is true and that its the best for them. What makes christianity different? Also what are the proven facts to all true christians, can you tell me atleast one.
9 hours ago, Margo73 said:have asked before and I ask again for your sake and the sake of others you may be successfully deceiving and leading them away from a faith they once had that you give up this "game" and get your "special" relationship with God really going and have your journey and then share that with others to encourage them to believe in and relate to the ONE and ONLY TRUE LIVING GOD
How are close examinations, careful research and logical conclusions "deceiving others"? You did not reply to any of my serious replies, for example my calculations of the flood in my previous posts. All you do is assert that Christianity is true without providing any evidence that its true. Aslong as we did not establish, that Christianity is true, we have to take into consideration that Christianity could be a false religion, a smokescreen that distracts us from the true faith.
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Okay Ill go it through.
1 hour ago, Sonshine☀️ said:I truly believe that the miracles of today are the most AWESOME and they will inspire such praise and awe in those who love the Lord.
What miracles?
1 hour ago, Sonshine☀️ said:JESUS is everything! He is all we will ever need. By HIM, all things consist, and He is always near. ….for in HIM, we live and move and have our being.
The miracles of Christ are those of God carrying forward to the uttermost His presence in the world, Almighty God manifest in flesh. God is now reconciling and redeeming the world unto HIMSELF through JESUS, and He is doing this with the most awesome love ever imaginable!
TODAY we can say, “In the name of Jesus Christ” and immediately we are heard by the great I AM, El Shaddai…
Oh thank You Lord for the miracle of YOU!
Okay lets imagine an alternate universe. Imagine we have 2 universes. Universe A has Jesus in it ( our universe ) . Universe B doesnt have Jesus in it. Universe A has a God, Universe B is Godless. Lets also make the assumption, that we have an earth and the exact same humans in both universes. How will universe B, be different from universe A? What things will happen in universe A, that will never happen in universe B and vice versa? Once we can determine, how a universe without a God would look like, we can start to compare it with our universe and see similarities or differences.
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5 minutes ago, Co - heir in Christ said:
That's because many people don't know God. If a person doesn't know God and they ask Him for clarification or knowledge about something (and they truly are seeking to get to know God), then they will get their answer eventually - usually, when they come to know God.
If a person already has a relationship w/ God, then asking Him is like asking one's Best Friend (Who happens to know everything); it's the only perfect way to get answers that are 100% accurate.
This, at least, is in my experience - I respect your right to have your own opinion.
What method can we use, to determine what is a real relationship with God and what is not? To discover what is true and what is false
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2 minutes ago, PromisesPromises! said:
Maybe it's not a lack of response, but a lack of reception, Leyla...
Maybe my receptor is broken, how is yours currently? Do you know someone with better sensors than mine so we can examine miracles more closely.
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2 minutes ago, Jostler said:
why in the world do you insist on demanding from men what only God can provide? Why not just ask Him?
because this thread is about modern day miracles. If someone experienced something that can be considered a miracle, then it would benefit us all to know about it. God doesnt seem to be a responsive entity, so it will take some time until I get an answer from him.
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1 hour ago, Sonshine☀️ said:
I truly believe that the miracles of today are the most AWESOME and they will inspire such praise and awe in those who love the Lord.
Can you give me an example of a miracle
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On 5/1/2019 at 1:30 PM, Who me said:
Startling evidence for Noahs Flood - creation.com
The creationist post-Flood dam-breach hypothesis origin for the Grand ... Brown1 tries to use this as evidence for a dam-breach theory, but a more logical ...Basically the question in this link is : Where did the sand / rock in the grand canyon come from? Must be the flood! " https://www.bobspixels.com/kaibab.org/geology/gc_geol.htm " The North American Plate is moving west and is colliding the Pacific Plate which is moving towards the northwest. The Pacific Plate is also expanding from its middle and its eastern edge is being subducted beneath the North American Plate as it comes into contact with it. Oceanic plates are typically subducted beneath continental plates because they area heavier. As pressure increases while they are being subducted they tend to get heavier still and to some extent they start to fall and pull more plate along with them. As the Pacific Plate moves beneath the North American Plate the rock of which it is composed is superheated and water is released and begins to rise. This water, which is extremely hot, causes lighter minerals tomelt and forms lava which feeds the chain of volcanoes on the eastern edge of the Pacific Rim which runs from Alaska to Chile. The conflict between the plates is also frequently responsible for mountain building activity. As the plates are forced together they sometimes buckle which causes mountain ranges to be formed along the contact point. This is how the Rocky Mountains, the Sierra Nevada and the costal mountains of California were formed and how the Aleutian Island are being formed today. A much older range of mountains, which geologists suspect were much higher than todays Rocky Mountains and may even have rivaled the Himalayas, now forms the base of the Grand Canyon. The rocks that made up these mountains are about 1.7 billion years old, or about one-third the age of our planet. These mountains have long since eroded away and sedimentary deposits have covered them over. The sediments that covered the roots of these ancient mountains were deposited by a series of advancing and retreating ocean coast lines. As the climate of our planet warms and cools the median sea level of the planet rises and falls due to the melting and freezing of the polar caps. When the sea level rises, land areas which are close to the coast and relatively low in altitude are sometimes submerged. This was the case with the land area of the Grand Canyon and is why so many different sedimentary rock layers exist. Each of these was formed by a different period in which the ocean moved in and covered the land, stayed for a while, and then retreated again. Limestone deposits are created when the ocean moves in and slates, shales and mudstone deposits are created when the ocean moves out and the area is covered by silts washing into the retreating ocean.
On 5/1/2019 at 1:30 PM, Who me said:Apr 14, 2009 ... Their main problem was that they were looking for a modern environment that corresponds with the evidence but Noah's Flood was a unique ...However, Scripture (backed up by so much other evidence) is very clear that there was a global Flood and the pre-Flood people were destroyed, so there must ...The first article, tells us that fossils formed because the flood quickly covered a dinosaur herd and thats why we got lots of fossils. The second article tells us that there are no fossils, because the fast currents and oxidation would destroy the bones.
On 5/1/2019 at 1:30 PM, Who me said:https://creation.com/Robert-Ballard-did-not-discover-Noahs-Flood This article points to how Robert Ballard did NOT confirm noahs flood, on the same website (creation.com)
On 5/1/2019 at 1:30 PM, Who me said:Creationists have claimed that the geology of Australia's Three Sisters, provides compelling evidence for the global Flood of Noah,1 a claim that a recent article ...The 'Great Unconformity' and associated geochemical evidence for Noahic Flood ... The Bible's Flood account describes the greatest rain event ever recorded.The valleys and gorges, shaped when the Sisters were carved, are evidence of immense watery erosion. The Biblical global Flood explains this deposition and ...Is there any evidence for a global flood? ... the field of geomorphology are called landforms. Geomorphology is a 'gold mine' of evidence for the Genesis Flood.Oct 19, 2018 ... The Missoula Flood provides further evidence that floods produce inselbergs, and that erosion has to be rapid or there would be no inselbergs.Hundreds of pieces of evidence support this flood, but it was rejected for 40 years by all but J. Harlen Bretz because such a flood was deemed too 'biblical'.1.However, a close analysis of this evidence suggests that it raises more questions than it answers, supporting the idea that the end of the Flood corresponds to ...Coal points to Noah's Flood because huge quantities of vegetation have been ... They are committed, from the outset, to explaining the evidence using what we ...Golden evidence of the Genesis Flood. by Jack Lange. Jack Lange holding gold- bearing quartz. Most people would be surprised to learn that smooth ...The rest are related to earth surface, mountains erosions etc. However before we even continue to talk about earths geology we have to realise, what consequence a flood would have. I calculated previously, that the total amount of water had to increase by atleast 215%. Now lets imagine the pressure that would apply on one square meter of the earth, if all the water would press on it . Genesis 7:20 "The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits. ". 15 cubits is 6,85 meter. The mount everest is 8 848 m tall. That means 6,85 + 8,848= 8854,85 m. Now lets imagine a 1meter * 1 meter * 8854,85 cuboid. The volume of that cuboid is 1*1*=8854,85 m³. M = 1000kg/m³ * 8854,85 m³ = 8854850 kg. That means that !!one!! square meter of the earth, experienced the pressure of 8854850 kg. We basically had big and heavy mountains pressing on the surface of the earth, everywhere. Such a huge pressure, would leave way more obvious and visible evidence, than what you gave me in your links.
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1 hour ago, Jayne said:
Can you maybe check your first link? I get an error when I click on it ( maybe somethings wrong with me).
1 hour ago, Jayne said:Also here is a fossilized frog from the Cretaceous Period. He looks just like the frogs of today. Can you show any fossil evidence of frogs transitioning to a completely different animal or something transitioning TO a frog those millions of years ago?
http://www.fossilmuseum.net/Fossil-Pictures/Frogs/Callobatrachus/BF076B.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frog#Life_cycle We can date that frogs are atleast 265 million years old so we can expect similarities. I also found something specific for this species https://www.liquisearch.com/frog/evolution "An early, well-preserved fossil of Sanyanlichan (the frog you send me), which lived 125 million years ago, was found in China in 2001. It had all the characteristics of modern frogs but there were nine presacral vertebrae in its backbone instead of the eight found in present-day species." This fossil shows evolution beautifully. Yes, the ancient frogs and our modern frogs look similiar. However, there are distinct differences. If you kept sending me pictures of frogs, from the Cretaceous Period, until today, then we could see how the amount of vertebrates slowly changes or how other body parts slowly turn into the features of our modern frogs.
1 hour ago, Jayne said:These clam fossils are allegedly millions of year old. They look just like what you would find on the beach today. I guess the clam didn't evolve. And if this clam evolved from something else - less complicated, further down towards the original single cell that evolutionists believe life came from - then where are those fossils? Can you show me a picture of a transitional fossil?
Excuse me, the other link did not work (for me) so I cant say anything about clams (incase that link was about clams). Please give me the scientific paper of the clam you are talking about.
1 hour ago, Jayne said:And I've always thought it arrogant of men and women who purport themselves to experts to claim that, "Well, this organ or that body part is vestigial in my opinion, ergo there is no God."
Well, its very easy to conclude that some organs are Vestigial, let me give you a very clear example. Here is a picture of a Kiwi wing. https://adventuresofakiwichick.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/kiwi-wing-moult.jpg These wings are absolutely deformed and useless. They are evolutionary history that is not completly gone yet. These things are absolutely useless and not beneficial to the animal in any way.
1 hour ago, Jayne said:I know that you are not ready to believe what God's word says. I'm convinced that you can be. I'm convinced that he is drawing you to him. I will continue to pray for you.
Thanks for the prayer. Maybe I will believe in what God says one day, however we have to admit that God went through great lengths, to hide his existence or his interference on our planet and the universe. There is absolutely nothing in the universe that points to a God. (except the mystery of the origin of the universe, but even that would only proof to "a god" or "gods" and not yachweh)
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On 4/19/2019 at 12:51 PM, ladypeartree said:
perhaps we are so used to seeing miracles we forget what they are ….. people that should have died according to medical criteria do not and instead of seeing this miracle we just take it for granted as modern day medicine ….
Medicine is not a miracle. For example, it would be a total mess if it wasnt for all the pumps sucking blood off the operating area. Its also not a miracle that we had to go through alot of trial and error in medicine ( for example vasectomy). Its not a miracle that medicine is build upon roots of human experimentation or animal experimentation.
On 4/19/2019 at 12:51 PM, ladypeartree said:A man missed his plane by two mins after an unexpected delay .. the plane crashed and all on board were killed ( this just two months ago ) He recognised it as a miracle how many others did not ?
Lets tell the familiy of the victims that died in that plane crush, that Gods miracle saved one person because he missed his plane and see how they react.
On 4/19/2019 at 12:51 PM, ladypeartree said:Want to see a miracle every day ? Look for a bee ...scientists say it should be impossible for a bee to fly given the aerodynamics they understand ...God said " fly " so the bee does ...an every day miracle that we forget is miraculous
http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2013/08/bumblebee-flight-does-not-violate-the-laws-of-physics/ Here is a link that explains the physics behind bumblebees.
On 4/6/2019 at 9:41 PM, JustPassingThru said:Depends on where you live, many of the technology advanced countries don't really need God, they can buy all they need and don't have the time for Him, but third world countries are different
Billions of people dont have access to clean drinking water and suffer hunger. Just because we have privilied people living like kings, doesnt mean anything special
On 4/6/2019 at 9:41 PM, JustPassingThru said:back in the States I had two crushed discs and He miraculously healed them, then here, I lifted a tree trunk that was too heavy for me and I felt the same pain in my back, I crawled home because I couldn't stand up to walk, I crawled onto my bed and the last thing I remember thinking is, what am I going to do now, the next morning my back was healed, ...an eye doctor burned a hole in my eyeball with his laser and scheduled me for immediate surgery, when I arrived to check in at the hospital I find out they had scheduled two men for the same operating room with the same eye surgeon for the same operation, the Holy Spirit told me to go home, I accepted I would lose the sight in my eye. but at the insistence of my boss I went to his doctor to be examined, the doctor couldn't find any hole in my eye, Father healed me again, this caused such disruption here that five ophthalmologists asked to examine me because something like this had never happened before
Okay, what about the 2,5 million europeans, that died last year because of an infection they aquired in a hospital? Does God love you more than other people or why does he care more about your health than other people?
On 4/6/2019 at 9:41 PM, JustPassingThru said:Once a dear friend was sick and the Holy Spirit told me to lay hands on her and pray, to this day the sickness has not returned
Personal experiences dont have any meaning. Full recoveries happen, why should we link it to a miracle?
On 4/6/2019 at 9:41 PM, JustPassingThru said:...another time we cooked a Thanksgiving meal for some teenagers that were helping us finish a brother's house, and there wasn't enough food, ...but the serving trays never became empty, with my own two eyes I watched them take the food, but there wasn't any missing from the trays.
Lets repeat this experiment according to the scientific standards.
On 4/6/2019 at 9:41 PM, JustPassingThru said:I could go on and on, ...one more, ...one of the three conditions Father gave me before coming here was to not have any legal papers that would allow me to stay any longer than the three month tourist visa of my plane ticket, after about two years French Immigration sent me a letter asking me to come to their office and explain how I was legally staying here, ...since I couldn't, that would mean if I went, they would place me in jail and send me home on the next available flight with only the clothes on my back, the Holy Spirit told me to go so the next day I went, I went to the office of the man who had sent me the letter, when he asked me why I was there I handed him the letter he had written, he took it, stared at it, turned it upside down, then turned it right side up, he turned it over to the back side, then turned it upside down and then right side up, the Holy Spirit spoke to me saying, "I have blinded his eyes, so go home," the Immigration agent put the paper down and asked me the phone number of where I was staying and then told me to go home, ...that was 26 years ago.
Thats just personal experience that could very well happen in a world without a God.
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On 3/28/2019 at 8:31 PM, OneLight said:
The lack of faith. Have you noticed that there are those who love Christ, but don't believe the gifts are for today? Even Jesus asked at the end of the Parable of the Persistent Widow "when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?” Luke 18:1-8
The total amount of believers has increased, since there are alot more people on earth now that in the past. It only decreased relatively to the total amount of living people. Is it more important to have more believers, or is it more important to have many believers, relative to the total amount of living humans?
On 3/29/2019 at 12:05 AM, Willa said:Missionaries to India and other unchurched areas of the world see astounding miracles like those in the Bible. They are as overwhelmed and humbled by what God is doing as the native people are, and many, often thousands are saved. The pastors know they had very little to do with it all and it was God alone. When our pastor was involved, thousands came forward for prayer. They couldn't possibly minister to all of them so he just prayed through a translator "Holy Father, meet their needs in Jesus Name."
Were the mirracles documated? If we can documate and scientficially proof a miracle, we will have a much easier time convincing others of our faith.
On 3/29/2019 at 7:53 AM, AnOrangeCat said:Just to add a little to this, I'd also point out that in the western world and parts of Asia, as a general rule we have less -need- for miracles overall. Our lives and lifestyles have changed since the times of the Bible. Modern medicine and health standards keep a lot of disease and suffering in check. The knowledge, tools, and medicines we have are gifts from God. When you think about it the way medicine has outright subdued or eliminated some very serious health threats is a TREMENDOUS miracle, and one that's possible only because God gave humanity a will and a way to make it happen.
http://www.theworldcounts.com/counters/global_hunger_statistics/how_many_people_die_from_hunger_each_year Shows that 36 million people die of starvation and 1 billion lives in hunger. https://www.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_die_from_pollution_each_year . 7 Million die of cancer in a year. 56 million people die of pollution in a year and over a billion doesnt have access to clean drinking water. 1,8 million die in war https://www.who.int/gho/malaria/epidemic/deaths/en/ (If we count in unreported malaria deaths) then over a million people die of malaria in a year. https://www.avert.org/global-hiv-and-aids-statistics 37 million people have aids ( 1,8 million children). http://www.progressive-economy.org/trade_facts/traffic-accidents-kill-1-24-million-people-a-year-worldwide-wars-and-murders-0-44-million/ Traffic accidents 1,2 million. http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2007/08/pollution-causes-40-percent-deaths-worldwide-study-finds 5 million (mostly children) die because of unsanitary conditions. http://sciencenordic.com/25-million-europeans-die-hospital-infections-every-year In europe alone 2,5 million people die because of infection they aquired in hospitals. We could make that list longer but lets stop here for the sake of time. 36 + 7 + 56 + 1,8+ 1 + 37 + 1,8 + 1,2 + 5 + 2,5 = around 150 million.
http://www.ecology.com/population-estimates-year-2050/ Shows that in year 0 (170 + 400) / 2 = 285 million people lived. The suffering people that we calculated previously (and I did not even go through every way that a human could suffer) in the year 2019 is around 150 million. Lets assume that we put these suffering humans back to the year 0. 285 million people = 100% then 150 million are 52%. Every second human you would meet in year 0, would have a miserable life filled with pain. I dare to say, that not every second human in the year 0, was suffering death or a miserable life. I also dare to say that we have more suffering humans now than in the year 0. Yes the relative standard of live improved, we have more people that live life like kings. However, the total amount of suffering humans has increased. If there was a time, where we would need the interference of a God, then its now. Progress in science, and the fact that most people live a priviliged life, is not an excuse, for the fact that the total amount of suffering people is bigger than the population of year 0
On 3/29/2019 at 12:31 PM, enoob57 said:The very begin to prove God through our senses is the adultery God spoke of …. we are born again s/Spiritually and in this reality it does not seek validity from that which passes away ....
How has adultery anything to do with the lack of miracles?
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Just now, missmuffet said:
I have nothing more to reply to you Leyla. I do not compromise my faith in what is not in the Bible. Have a nice day.
Well... If you ever decide to talk about these things, then I would love to hear your opinions. Have a nice day too
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2 minutes ago, missmuffet said:
Because it is not biblical.
Science is what brought us wealth, technology and a good life and its not biblical too. Is it really a bad thing to accept something just because its not biblical? What makes you think that the Bible has any significant value, compared to (for example) the Quran or other religious texts
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41 minutes ago, missmuffet said:
All humans have a soul and will go either to heaven or Hades. I do not believe that animals have a soul. I believe in a young earth so I do not believe in neanderthals. I also do not believe in evolution.
Do you want to tell us why you do not believe in evolution or neanderthals or believe in the young earth?
2 hours ago, thomas t said:this wonderful nature is sufficient proof for a wonderful God, in my opinion. Not just some deity...
This nature, for me, points to a God who loves freedom. Allah is someone loving freedom?
Nature looks pretty, but is nature really something we want to point to a God? Nature is (most of the time) the least loving enviroment that you can imagine. Survival of the fitest rules over nature. Parasites are one of the most succesful animals. When I was littled I searched the ground for parasitic wasps. These wasps find prey, paralyse them, pull them into a hole and lay an egg inside of them and then burry the insect. They dont kill the prey, so the decay process doesnt start. The egg hatches and the larvae starts to eat the still alive animal from inside, taking good care to not pierce through any vital organ with their sharp mandibles. The prey stays alive, until the damage is too great and then it dies ( this is a very long process). I remember thinking to myself that God must have a very dark side in his character, because designing an organism like that, certainly requires you that have a dark side. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitoid_wasp
2 hours ago, thomas t said:Let me tell you one story out of my life. I once told someone "I'm a musician, I earn some money playing on the streets".
Then she said "prove it - or I won't believe you!"
Was she right in saying so? Was my assertion about my personal life worthless? I just told her I'm a musician. What's the matter? When I tell you "I'm 39 years old" do I have to prove it
Well, it was probably mean to assume that you lie and to demand proof. I would probably believe you without proof, that you played music and earned some money doing that. I will believe you even without proof, because musicians are something that I know exist. I saw them on the streets and I saw that they earn money doing that. It doesnt seem like an outlandish claim to me. I would have alot more trouble if you said something that was outlandish. For example, if you told me that you could heal people by playing music, or that bad things will happen to me during life or after I die if I dont listen to your music, then I would start to have doubts and demand for proof. The problem is similiar with genesis or the Bible. It makes very outlandish claims that are hard to believe or accept
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19 minutes ago, Still Alive said:
The more one prays, STUDIES (as opposed to merely reading) the bible and trusts God, the easier it is to see all this stuff. It is the epitome of nuances.
Muslims pray ( probably more times a day than most christians) and study (probably the same amout as christians), the Quran. They trust God. Yet they come to completly different conclusion for example that Jesus is not the son of God or that mohammad was a prophet. These conclusions will lead them to hell if christianity is true because they dont accept Jesus as their saviour. In return, if Islam is true all christians will go to hell because they rejected prophet mohammad and the quran. Islam will also outgrow christianity in the next 50-100 years. Examples like that, show that praying and studying your holy texts is not enough to find the truth. We have to look for the truth, outside of our religious texts, or we will simply be stuck in the lie that we are born in.
19 minutes ago, Still Alive said:These sort of questions (and other's you've asked) have been out there for a LONG time. They have the flaw of taking what people say about what the bible says literally. It's why I have the signature I do. It's because it is not about roosters and how many times they crow. It is that the message was "you say you won't deny me? I say you'll deny me vociferously before this day is done."
The fact that these questions are asked times and times again only proves that noone was able to answer them yet, and that also tells us alot.
19 minutes ago, Still Alive said:And this makes sense because the bible is attempting to explain the "unexplainable" yet, oddly, we understand it better as we study and enjoy a personal relationship with Him.
The Quran and other religion books do the same. Why should we put the bible above the Quran or other religious books? Until we establish thhat the bible is true, we have to consider the hypothesis that christianity is a false religion, a smokescreen that distracts from the true faith.
19 minutes ago, Still Alive said:I see the bible as trying to explain the color green to a person that has been blind from birth. Yet is succeeds at a certain level.
A God could easily inspire a book, that helps us understand something that we cant see, in this example the colour green. What we refer to as the visible light is a product of different frequencies in the electromagnetic spectrum. The colour green has a wavelength of 495-570 nm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green We are not limited to our sight, we have discovered parts of the electromagnetic spectrum that we cant even see.
19 minutes ago, Still Alive said:And remember that each book of the bible was not written to us, though it was written for us. It was written TO the people who lived at the time and were part of the culture in which it was written. That's why we need to STUDY it as opposed to merely read it.
Saying that we need to study instead of reading the bible, reminds me alot about the time, where I asked questions about the cruelty or "mistakes" in the Quran. The answer was that the Quran was written in a different time, for other people, and that I have to properly study and understand it and not just read it. Ill come back to the original thread question "christianity vs other religions". Why put the bible above other religious texts?
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10 minutes ago, Jayne said:
He did not do that. The Fossil record all across the stratum of rock layers proves he did not. There are no transitional fossils and there should be countless ones if evolution is true. And if the clam shells and such at the bottom - at a layer that is "supposed" to be 4.5 billion years old - look the same as clams today - I see no evolution.
What do you mean no transitional fossils? Every fossil is a transitional fossil and we are all transitional animals. Evolution never stands still. Can you send me your reference about the clam? Its very unlikely in my opinion that an animal that lived 4,5 billion years ago is now exactly as it was in the past. We have a very sophisticated fossil record and tons of evidence for evolution.
10 minutes ago, Jayne said:How do you know that the laryngeal nerve serves no purpose? Do you have evidence of that or did you just take Richard Dawkins word for it.
The evidence is that our bodies are made of chemical elements. Our parents take the chemical elements and we are basically build from them. Nerve tissue is fairly expensive and there is no advantage in having more than necesarry. There is no advantage in having a longer laryngeal nerve. We observe alot of Vestigiality. Some things are inefficient, some things dont work at all. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestigiality
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15 minutes ago, Jayne said:
Ah...the old "Omnipotence Paradox". These, including yours here, have been around for decades.
The Christian understands that for God to do things such as this - or "create a rock he cannot lift" - would mean that God would create a nonsensical contradiction. God is not about nonsense and he is about order, not chaotical contradictions. It's not that he can't.....it's that he won't. It defies his nature.
How do you know the nature of God and that he is not nonsensical? 99.9% of all life forms that ever lived went exinct. Is it nonsensical to make life forms just to let them die off again? If genesis was true, then God went through the trouble, to make it look like we went through evolution and that we descendend from animals, just to fool around with us. What about the laryngeal nerve in mammals that is unnecesarry long, wasting important and expensive nerve tissue. The nerve makes a loop around our aoritc arch for noooo reason. Imagine how much nerve tissue is wasted in animals with a long neck for example giraffes. Based on our observations, can we really say that God is not nonsensical?
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15 minutes ago, Jayne said:It's like God lying. It's impossible for God to lie. Why? Because God is the source of all truth. His word is truth. Lying would mean his holy nature is defied.
I know that's not the answer you want, but it's the truth.
How do you know that its impossible for God to lie? Is the reason, why you think that God cant lie, good enough to convince others? If its not good enough to convince others, why is it good enough for you?
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On 5/9/2019 at 6:08 AM, Omegaman 3.0 said:
Please tone down the name calling Margo, but if you must, then quote scripture:
The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds; there is none who does good. PSA 14:1
If thats true, then every human that doesnt believe in God is corrupt, does abominable deeds, and does no good. However, is that really true? How do you explain that countries, that are mostly atheistic are doing so much better? Why is the rape/crime rate in mostly atheistic countries like japan or sweden so much lower than in more religious countries like the USA, or Nigeria? Why is the biggest private charity organisation, the Bill and Melinda foundation, launched by atheists? Why are so many scientists, people that spend their whole lifes trying to progress the knowledge of mankind bad? We have lots of examples of atheists that are not corrupt, that dont do abominable deeds and that do lots of good things.
Judging people based on their faith, or in this case rejection of faith, is something that is very evil. If anyone judged all christians, the way that atheists are judged in PSA 14:1, then they would probably be banned from this website. If I made a poster on the streets, with the exact same verse, but replaced "fool" with "christian" and "no god" with "a god" then people would protest, insult me, probably tear the poster down when noones looking. Why are double standards tolerated?
[EDIT: Why are some of the smartest people on earth atheist? Can we really call people that dont think that there is a God fools? Why does faith decline, the more educated a society is?]
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