Jonathan Dane
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Okay. Very good. And since this thread is so long, remind me where exactly the "Little Horn calls itself Israel." No hoops. Just a verse or two will do. Thanks.
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Fair enough. I would suggest that the time is now.
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What happens at the end of Rev. 2o takes place at the end of the Millennium. You are playing mix-and-match with biblical texts.
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Can you show me one other place in Scripture where the masculine pronoun "he" is used to describe a "government?" I do not claim to be either a scholar of Hebrew or Greek, but I think you are making serious tense errors with the grammar. Can you also show where the Bible says that "systems" are thrown into the Lake of Fire as is indicated for the Beast and False Prophet in Rev. 19:20?
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Help me out. Will God restore the Israelites to the land of their ancestors in modern-day Israel, and will Christ and King David rule there over Gentile nations for 1000 years in the future? Yes or no?
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"The little horn was seeking to change laws before this war started." "A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution." (Donald Trump—April 3, 2022) "The seed of Abraham has inherited the land promised to them thousands of years ago.Just goes to show you,God keeps his promises." You have one problem. That didn't happen thousands of years ago. Daniel is addressing HIS PEOPLE—The Jews. The text says of them: "whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him." The Jews did not have an everlasting kingdom. They were scattered in A.D. 70. And neither do "all dominions shall serve and obey him." The dominions today serve "the god of this world," a.k.a. SATAN. And please respond back saying this kingdom is merely spiritual. I have my verses on the ready.
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The final (last) one.
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LOL You did it again. Weeeeeeee! It is not easy to keep your focus in one place. You just completely ignore my points, which are equipped with Scripture and highlighted in boldface type, showing that these references have a human being at the center of power, and he is the Little Horn, the Beast, the Antichrist. Will the Antichrist have those in Israel "who forsake the covenant?" Yes. But that does not prove that Israel is the Whore, and neither does it prove Islamic nations are the Beast.
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This happens a lot: Rather than address "my texts" as I do yours, you simply ignore them and move on to your next pretext. Let's take a closer look at this little "country" horn. "I considered the horns, and behold, there came up among them another horn, a little one, before which three of the first horns were plucked up by the roots. And behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking great things." (Daniel 7:8) "I looked then because of the sound of the great words that the horn was speaking. And as I looked, the beast was killed, and its body destroyed and given over to be burned with fire. (Daniel 7:11) "the horn that had eyes and a mouth that spoke great things, and that seemed greater than its companions." (Daniel 7:19-20) "He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High and shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time." (Daniel 7:25-26) "23And at the latter end of their kingdom, when the transgressors have reached their limit, a king of bold face, one who understands riddles, shall arise. 24His power shall be great—but not by his own power; and he shall cause fearful destruction and shall succeed in what he does, and destroy mighty men and the people who are the saints. 25By his cunning he shall make deceit prosper under his hand, and in his own mind he shall become great. Without warning he shall destroy many. And he shall even rise up against the Prince of princes, and he shall be broken—but by no human hand. That should sufice. But we could head over to Daniel 11 if you'd like more. Horns in Scripture represent both countries AND the Kings ruling them, who are anointed by oil contained in a "horn."
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The fourth beast was Rome. The last beast at the end of the age is comprised of elements of the previous four and led by the Little Horn—a man. It is different from the previous beasts.
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THE Antichrist to whom his predecessors are but "a spirit" of.
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It is a "false peace" that the Antichrist, the Beast (a man), brokers during the Tribulation.
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It would be helpful to direct your comment to an individual. "We" includes many on here.
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I don't know where to begin. 5And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months. (Rev 13:5) "18This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man (Rev. 13:18) "20And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur. (Rev. 19:20) Scripture pictures "it" as a beast because HE is a like unto a beast. The apostle Paul calls "him" the "SON of Perdition." Again, kingdoms and systems are not thrown alive into the Lake of Fire. PEOPLE ARE. (Rev. 19:20) You are describing Israel as a beast. No doubt, Israel has dross that God will cleanse. But the whole purpose of the Tribulation is just that—TO CLEANSE ISRAEL. 17And the word of the LORD came to me: 18 "Son of man, the house of Israel has become dross to me; all of them are bronze and tin and iron and lead in the furnace; they are dross of silver. 19Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: Because you have all become dross, therefore, behold, I will gather you into the midst of Jerusalem. 20As one gathers silver and bronze and iron and lead and tin into a furnace, to blow the fire on it in order to melt it, so I will gather you in my anger and in my wrath, and I will put you in and melt you. 21I will gather you and blow on you with the fire of my wrath, and you shall be melted in the midst of it. 22As silver is melted in a furnace, so you shall be melted in the midst of it, and you shall know that I am the LORD; I have poured out my wrath upon you." (Ezekiel 22:17-22) This is not because of God's hatred but His love. I can provide countless verses of God's eternal love for Israel (as in both the nation and its people, the Israelites.)
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Rev. 13 says the False Prophet will set up an image of the Beast (the Antichrist) for worship. 2 Thess 2 also says the Antichrist will present himself in the temple as God. So, yes, although the exact words are not used, he offers himself as God for worship. AND YES, DONALD TRUMP HAS ALREADY SHOWN CLEAR SIGNS OF THIS MINDSET.
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So when Ezekiel says in ch. 36 and 37 that God will again restore the Israelites to their ancient homeland, never again to be uprooted, and that He (Christ) will rule again from the original city of Jerusalem along with King David, you agree with Ezekiel; he didn't prophecy falsely, correct?
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I think you are stringing unrelated passages together to support a pretext. I do not care to get into the eschatalogical weeds with you on who is who. I believe the kings of the East represent the orient, as is traditionally taught in premillennial circles, not Muslim nations that surround Israel. Rev. 17 says these 10 kings are kings that are installed as kings *for a short period.* This prostitute *rules* over these kings. Are you suggesting the Israel will rule over 10 Islamic nations? Not gonna happen. Again, I believe you are mixing and matching various unrelated passages to support an Islamic End-time Theory that I find has no basis in Scripture. Islam is not a kingdom. It is a 1600-year-old religion. Both Daniel and Revelation say that this last kingdom arises for a short time before the Return of Christ, which coincides with the short rule of the Antichrist, aka, the Beast. There is a end-time Beast kingdom, but it is not Israel. The Beast is the Antichrist. And yes, he will have a kingdom of sorts, as Daniel makes clear. But Rev. 13 refers to *him* with the masculine personal pronoun. *He* has a mouth that speaks. The end of Rev. 19 says an angel will grab hold of the Beast and the False Prophet and throw *them* ALIVE into the Lake of Fire. Kingdoms are not thrown *alive* into the Lake of Fire. PEOPLE are.
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https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-antisemitism-europe-massacre-war-protests-1d26266dfd9b2b8dd4c795f420abab47 https://www.adl.org/resources/press-release/us-antisemitic-incidents-skyrocketed-360-aftermath-attack-israel-according Never say never. The world is a volatile place. Sentiments can turn on a dime. Consider that the Whore is seen initially "riding" the beast. I believe this to be a biblical depiction of bestiality depicting a sort of "quid pro quo.". Would the Islamic/Arab nations be "riding" the Whorish Church? Doubtful. This is a whorish relation of convenience. They are "hooked up" until the beast moves on, as Trump does with his relationships. In fact, I see a very similar relationship between him and white evangelicals—mutual power for power. If you doubt this is true, I have Trump confessing it in his own words—it's quoted thoroughly in my book.
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Sorry Michael, I confused your comment with Charlie's. My bad. I would delete my response, but I am not sure how.
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Interesting you critique me for my double application of Rome. And I look at your chart, and what do I see?—a double manifestation of Rome (7 and 8). Meanwhile, we have the self-proclaimed messiah himself posting the day before Easter Sunday: THE CRUCIFIXION OF DONALD TRUMP
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I am unsure how to copy and paste boxed sectioned quotes into this window as I have seen others do. Perhaps you could instruct me? For now, I will respond into your message above using bold text.
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I appreiate that. Nonetheless, I take my cues from God's Word, not because so-and-so is part of some cabal of sinister men who supposedly drummed up a pandemic. "Do not call conspiracy all that this people calls conspiracy, and do not fear what they fear, nor be in dread." (Isaiah 8:12)
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I posted something similar on a social media site, which will go unnamed just in case it violates policy here. I was asked a question to which I answered (provided below). Question: This is a pretty good post. But I have a question. How is the United States tied with the ancient Roman Empire? In Daniel chapter 9, it says that the people of the Prince to come will destroy the temple. The ancient Roman Empire did this. The ancient Roman Empire did split into 2 parts, and Turkey was a part of it. I can see the anti Christ being Islamic. But I wondering how the United States can be tied with the ancient Roman Empire. My response: Excellent question. And the answer is not simple. I believe things are going to change geopolitically over the next few years. For starters, I think the days of the presidency in this country are limited. I don't say that Donald Trump is going to be re-elected. I say he is going to return to power. Whether that is through an election or some other means remains to be seen. I think it is likely that he remains in power in this country, but that that power will extend out from there, especially into Europe and the Middle East. Revelation 12:2 says, "2The beast I saw was like a leopard, with the feet of a bear and the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority." It is a conglomerate beast made up of the kingdoms that precede it: Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece, and Rome. (Cf. Daniel 7:4-6) Daniel 7:12 says, "As for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was removed, but they were granted an extension of life for a season and a time." So, whatever this power is, it appears to be a melting pot of sorts. That's interesting, considering that our currency has stamped on it "e pluribus unum" (out of many - ONE). Regarding the United States, what is our motherland? Great Britain. And Great Britain was part of the Roman Empire. She is our mother lion and we are her cub. Jeremiah 51 is a judgment of Babylon. And Revelation 18 mentions a nation that comes to power: "Mystery Babylon." "Mysteries" in scripture are things that were previously unknown. For example, apostle Paul frequently uses the phrase, "I show you a mystery..." meaning that he was speaking new revelation to them. Whatever this Babylon is, it was unknown in a time that John wrote the book of the Revelation. With the above in mind, there's an interesting verse that stands out in Jeremiah 51: "They shall roar together like lions; they shall growl like lions’ cubs." (Jer. 51:38) No doubt, this verse has historical implications. But is it limited to history? That's the $46,000 question. It may have a double application. And I believe it does. This also fascinates me. Why is it when you go to places like England and observe governmental buildings, you see architecture that aligns with the period when they were built. But when you go to Washington DC, what do you see? Architecture from the time of the Roman Empire. Mysteries are naturally intriguing. And this subject never disappoints.
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So, Ezekiel was a false prophet? (See his quote above in comments.) It is one thing to say that God will act spiritually in the hearts of Israel. That is true. But it is a leap of logic to conclude that Ezekiel's words are merely "spiritual language" not meant to communicate something "physical." This idea does not originate from Scripture but Gnosticism, as taught by Origen in the 3rd century.
