RonaldBruno

On 9/28/2020 at 3:45 PM, JAG** said:

Here is my interpretation of , , ,
"My God, My God, Why Have You Forsaken Me?"__The Lord Jesus

"For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son
that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have Eternal Life."

The Lord Jesus was made a sin offering.
He bore the penalty of the "perish" of John 3:16

During the time the Lord Jesus hung on the Cross His Father temporarily forsook
His Son while His Son was bearing the penalty of sin for the world.

Here is the verse.

Note the caps.

"GOD MADE him who had no sin TO BE SIN for us, so that in him we might
become the righteousness of God"___2 Corinthians 5:21

The point?

God made Jesus who had no sin , , TO BE SIN for us.

So?

So while the Lord Jesus was "MADE , , TO BE SIN "
the Father temporarily "turned His back" so to speak, on His Son the Lord Jesus.

Something mysterious happened there on the Cross my friend, that forever
changed the world.

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The Lord Jesus , , , "KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS" {Revelation 19:16}

 

Isaiah 53 , , , 

"Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering, yet we considered him punished by
God, stricken by him, and afflicted.

But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment
that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed.

We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the Lord
has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to
the slaughter."___ Isaiah chapter 53

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Compare Isaiah 53 up there with 2 Corinthians 5:21 down below

"God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might
become the righteousness of God"___2 Corinthians 5:21

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By the way, Isaiah 53 was written hundreds of years BEFORE the Lord Jesus was born.

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Thank you Dear God for loving the world and for sending your Son, the Lord Jesus,
to die for the sins of the world.

JAG

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Lord Jesus , , , "KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS" {Revelation 19:16}

This was to draw attention to Psalm 22. He was fulfilling prophecy. But it is true, as He became sin, the Father was distant, and could not look upon sin. The Son of Man was also crying out on his physical weakness, beaten, exhausted and dying. 

This is an argument thay proves His deity. Only God can take on the sin of the world. You have to be omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent to absorb the sins of man for all time.

21 hours ago, Michael37 said:

What is certain upon the Lord's Return is His gathering of the saints to Himself, both those deceased and those still living.

1Th 4:16-17  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:  (17)  Then we which are alive and remain shall be harpazō, caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

2Th 2:1  Now we beseech you, brethren, by the parousia,  the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our episunagōgē, our gathering together unto him,

Mat 24:29-31  Immediately after the thlipsis, the  tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:  (30)  And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.  (31)  And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall episunagō, gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Excellent! This shows that there is One rapture/resurrection at the time of His Coming

 It shows that it is not a secret event ... poof, we're gone and everyone wonders where did they go - as the Left Behind  series implied.

No, every eye will see Him, the last Trumpet is blown and the rest sees knows, so they mourn, kick themselves for their numerous rejections and opportunities to receive Christ throughout their lives - but they said, no thank you! Then they try to hide or worse yet, turn insane and attempt to gather together and war against Christ. 

We must realize that the Holy Spirit, (The Restrained of evil), is taken out of the way as the Church is, since we are the TEMPLE and at that time, the Temple is opened in heaven. When the Holy and Church is removed, all evil breaks loose. People on earth _ all of a sudden _ turn evil, because there is no goodness/power if the Holy Spirit to restrain it.

At this time, the 7 Bowls of wrath are realesed.

30 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

 I do not know how that works out with having a spiritual body there instead of the physical body we have here. 

 Christ appeared in solid physical form, then disappeared - it's a muti-dimensional existence. Abraham's bosom is exactly that, meaning  we'll have all the senses and more.

12 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

That is a good question, you just know. Actually my spiritual eyes are really not open that much. So what I saw was not that clear. Compared to the dream I had that was very vivid. Also I got a huge amount of information from my dream. For example when I saw my daughter there were maybe 50 or 60 brand new toys that were still in the box. I wondered why she did not take them out of the box to play with them. Later on I found out that those toys were gifts from relatives in Heaven who had visited her. The gift was to remind her of their visit. I did not have a gift for her and I found out she asked the angel about that. He did not know but later on when my son went to Heaven and he went to visit her, he told her who I was. And on & on & on. 

So the dream  goes on and I keep learning more about that dream over time. But my experience with Paul - not so much. I asked a question. The angel told me that Paul would answer my question personally and in an instant I was there "talking" to Paul. The reason is that EVERYONE, esp Paul is VERY interested in this time that we are living in. The Kingdoms of this world are becoming the Kingdom of God. Even Abraham looked forward and saw this day & time that we are living in. For the next 1,000 years people will study their history book and have more regard for the next 10 years then they have for even Pentecost and the beginning of the church that we hold in very high regard today. 

The other experience I had like this was when the Matriarch of my family wanted to ask my mom a question  about me. She wanted to know what my gifts, talents and abilities are. They do not talk about you behind your back in Heaven so I was caught up and she took me with her to talk to my mom. I did not say anything, I was just aware that they were having a conversation about me. Again not  alot of information there. Not enough to write a book about. But I could write a lot of books. God is eternal and our learning goes on and on. For example David in Psalm 139:16 talks about the book that God writes about our life. That has to do with the gifts, talents and abilities God give us at conception to bring Him praise, honor and glory. So we could maybe write a whole book about that. Easily I could write a whole book about Psalm 139:16 because I continue to learn the meaning of what David is telling us. This is tied in with Rev 20:12 when we are told "the books were opened". Maybe it would take a lot more than just a book to explain that scripture. Can you image all the books written about all the people that have ever lived or were ever conceived?  

I actually flunked English Grammar in College. I did all the work she asked me to do so I do not think it was fair that I had to take that class over again. The second time I did all the same stuff as the first time I took the class and he gave me a C. So I do not think I would be very good at writing books but I am sure I could come up with enough fresh and original information to write plenty of books. After all it is not unusual for me to read and study for up to 12 hours a day. 

Toys made in heaven ... eternal toys - never thought that there would be toys - what a concept ... as long as we don't see "Made in China"!

Angels and people don't know the future, so they are curious ... "How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?' 

Thanks for sharing.

2 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

I agree the COIVD-19 is a satanic agenda. Wait till they start mandating COVID-19 vaccination or you will not be able to work or enter public establishments with out it.  Do some research on the ID2020 and the Covid-19 Vaccine.  

Not sure, but I think there is a race between Gates/Soros vaccine and legitimate vaccines from several companies that Trump has been overseeing. 

I do not need a vaccine and will not take one. I sustain my health by  using natural cures. I've been anti-vaccine for awhile - since the rise of Autism its possible connection with mercury.

51 minutes ago, Who me said:

There is also the witness of church organisations. So your church is going to defy the government and hold ' normal' church services, how will your neighbours view you if two weeks later most of your elderly members are down with the virus?

How will they view your church if cases have spiked in the area around your church building and those members public spirited enough to have the track and trace app on their phone, unfortunately show the cause is infected church members.

John MacArthur sued the state of California. His church, Grace Community Church defied  orders to not congregate. His church disobeyed that order and has full capacity attendance for weeks now. Bravo to Christians to stand up to Government jerks like Gavin Newsome. That governor is ruining the state, a sanctuary state. Florida is now 100% open. Texas and most of the country will follow soon. Of course the Democrats want the country to be shut down until after the election. It's political and the whole pandemic is demonic in nature. Again George Soros has stock in the Wuhan Lab and also several bio-labs in this country -- Oh the implications we can draw from that! He funded BLM ($150million), and will continue to wreck havoc, cause chaos. Bill Gates invested $10 billion in labs and vaccine research and production. I don't think has good intentions either. I stand firm, it is all diabolical.

12 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

From that viewpoint Paul did ask me WHY I was not living free from sin. So maybe that would be a book about how we are to live righteous, holy, sanctified lives before God. I can not really write the book on that though because my life is not really an example for others. I did not answer Paul. That was fine with him, he wanted me to think about it. Maybe he wants to set the record straight that he was not telling people that they have a license to sin the way they accuse him of doing. 

Experiences on heaven usually are reported with lots of information, with visitors seemingly spending lots of time that on earth was only minutes. That is why I expected much more information. How did you know it was PAUL and then? How do you know it was heaven, not just a fabricated dream. It just seems that experiences told about visiting heaven are extraordinary: the spendor, the light, the brilliance, peace, heightened feeling of love, brilliant colors, etc. You may have felt a guilt about sin after reading the Bible?

Anf why would Paul speak to you, not an angel of Jesus himself? And why wouldn't a heavenly experience accompany this dream/vision to validate it. I mean really, 15 seconds ... I saw Paula and he asked me why I'm living with sin? 

We all have the Holy Spirit Who guides us, teaches us, speaks to us and convicts us sin -God directly does that - not dead apostles!

42 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

I have been to Heaven twice and I am there in an instant. I had a conversation with Paul and I only took up 15 seconds of his time total. Although it is not a conversation so much as they give you packets of information. 

Outstanding ... and you did not write a book on your experience? If you had gone to heaven, then it would be God's intention for you to come back and tell the world your story - because many would have a lot of questions. I believed  Colton Burpo's story in "Heaven is For Real" and he was only 5 years old at the time. I've read another account of someone visiting Hell, "23 Minutes in Hell".- Wow ... I'm not so sure about that, but if this was a NDE, Out of body, dream, vision of some kind - it is your duty to tell, unless you really didn't go and are just saying this to support your views. I could imagine someone making that up and saying, "Oh yeah, my view is correct ... Paul confirmed it! That's right, I went up to heaven and specially asked him and he gave me a pat on the back, yep, you gotta right ... now go down there and tell em, I told ya so!" 

16 hours ago, not an echo said:

how can we be more assured of what is counterfeit and what is genuine?

Well the Bible is truth. So when we discuss prophecies in the Bible they are all true. The problem is with the interpretations. Satan's primary goal is to keep people away from Christ, the truth. Christians who misinterpret eschatology aren't necessarily sinning or doing Satan's work, they are just not understanding future events.

16 hours ago, not an echo said:

In other words, if the characteristics of the genuine were mastered, the counterfeits became easier to spot.

Fyi, the word "genuine" is an adjective. You need to put a noun somewhere in the sentence, like the genuine person, thing, book, etc.

 If you are referring to the KJV as the genuine version, that would be in error. The original Greek or Hebrew manuscripts are.

16 hours ago, not an echo said:

First of all, in Jesus' Olivet Discourse, He spoke of the "abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet" (Matt. 24:15) as His lead-in to what He says concerning a coming  time of "great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be" (Matt. 24:21).  The capstone to this time that Jesus spoke about is His Second Advent and the Battle of Armageddon (Matt. 24:23-28 with Rev. 19:11-21).  Has this been fulfilled?  I'll let you draw your on conclusion, but before you do...

Luke's parallel account of Jesus' discourse speaks to this and says some things of relevance that indicates that these will be "the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled" (Lk. 21:22).  Has this been fulfilled?  Again, I'll let you draw your own conclusion, but before you do...

In Revelation 10, John sees "a little book open" (vs. 2).  In hard connection with this "little book" and central to the focus upon it are these words, "But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to His servants the prophets" (vs. 7).

In the last chapter of Daniel's little book of prophecy, he is told concerning his book these words, "But thou, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end:  many shall run to and fro and knowledge shall be increased" (12:4).  Further, verses 8-10 read, "And I heard, but I understood not:  then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?  And He said, Go thy way Daniel:  for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.  Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried;  but the wicked shall do wickedly:  and none of the wicked shall understand;  but the wise shall understand."  According to my understanding, or math, the "little book open" in Revelation 10 is the little book of Daniel, which interrelates more so than any other prophetic book with what is fixing to take place in The Revelation---and it contains the prophecy in question,.  Has what John saw from this point in The Revelation and beyond taken place?  While here, has anything that John saw beyond the opening of the 5th Seal taken place?  I'll let you draw your own conclusion, but before you do...

Paul spoke about something that was going to take place before Christ's Second Advent, that being that "a falling away" would happen first and that the "man of sin" would be revealed, "the son of perdition" (II Thess. 2:3).  Has this happened?  Don't forget that this man of sin is to be destroyed by the brightness of Christ's Second Advent (II Thess. 2:8).  Again, has this happened?  I'll let you draw your own conclusion, but before you do...

The "little book open" is the focus of all of Revelation 10.  The very next thing we see concerns "the Temple of God" and the occurrence of "worship therein" (Rev. 11:1).  After this, the very next thing we see concerns two 3-1/2 year periods of time, which would equal seven years of time, or a week of years.  The much discussed (by our generation) Temple of God is presently non-existent.  Is another one going to be built?  Paul gives us a little commentary on some worship that is occurring in some  future Temple of God.  Concerning the "man of sin" and "son of perdition" he says, "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped;  so that he as God sitteth in the Temple of God, shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4).  Has this been fulfilled that Paul is talking about?  I'll let you draw your own conclusion, but before you do, don't forget that in close connection with this man of sin and what he will do, Paul says that he will be destroyed by the brightness of Christ's Second Advent (II Thess. 2:8).  Once again, has this been fulfilled?  Once again, I'll let you draw your own conclusion, but before you do...

Back to the Olivet Discourse, Jesus said, "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, STAND IN THE HOLY PLACE, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)" (Matt. 24:15).  As I see it, the words "whoso readeth" are not alluding to that person who may be reading the Olivet Discourse at the time, but that person who reads the prophecies of Daniel.  As I see it, we have some good information given us in Daniel 9:27 with which to do some math.  And, again, Jesus' words concerning this "abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet" is His lead-in to what He says concerning a coming time of "great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be (Matt. 24:21).  And again, the capstone to this time that Jesus spoke about is His Second Advent and the Battle of Armageddon (Matt. 24:23-28 with Rev. 19:11-21).  Once again, has this been fulfilled?  I'll let you draw your on conclusion, but before you do, consider my following view of some other things that I feel interrelate with Daniel's 70th Week prophecy...

One of these days this world is going to come to a close.  As I see it, that is what the Seven Sealed Book that John saw God holding in His right hand is all about (Rev. 5:1).  You've just got to know that a book---sealed with seven seals---being held by Almighty God---in the throne room of Heaven---around which so much attention is being given---would have to be a most important book.  As I see it, and in harmony with the opening three verses of The Revelation (its foundation), the seals of this book---every one of them---pertain exclusively to the era of the Church.  The New Testament Church was not a part or factor in the fulfilling of the first 69 weeks of Daniel's prophecy.  It would not be a surprising thing if the Church was not slated to be a part or factor in the fulfilling of the 70th Week---even if untrue.  Based on the evidence as I see it, I believe it to be certainly true.  As many believe, the Church will be raptured at the opening of the 6th Seal, and for me, at the time of the appearance of "the sign of the Son of man in heaven" (Matt. 24:30-31), after which the Seven Sealed Book, which I believe could rightly be entitled THE DAY OF THE LORD will be opened.  The Day of the Lord is what this book is all about---every single page.  Upon its opening, what transpires---along with what just transpired---will effect a major portion of a world stage reset for the fulfilling of Daniel's 70th Week.  The same day that the rapture occurs, the first four trumpets can be sounded (Rev. 8).  I'm convinced they will be.  There is no related time frame given that would prohibit such a view.  In harmony with Scripture and other evidences, I am also convinced of the possibility that it is what is in our hemisphere that will be the "third part" destroyed at this time.  And, there will be some other effects.  This would mean that two major elements of the world stage reset for the fulfilling of Daniel's 70th Week may be taken care of in very short order, even within a day.  These two elements would be the removal of the Church and what is in our hemisphere, so that for the fulfilling of the last week of Daniel's prophecy, the focus will be brought to bear upon Israel and the lands of the Bible days---ONCE AGAIN---AS DURING THE FIRST 69 WEEKS.  As soon as the rest of the stage is fully reset (Rev. 9), John is shown the little book of Daniel open (Rev. 10), whereupon we immediately find the first real evidences that the 70th Week has indeed begun (Rev. 11).  This understanding brings to light another interesting possibility relating to Christ's Second Advent, the event which will bring Daniel's 70th Week to a close.  That possibility is that "every eye" will see Him simultaneously and in Person in a very natural way, as there won't be any eyes left in the world at that time except those on Israel's side of the earth.  Said another way, as the sun is very visible to every eye in Israel's hemisphere at noon time in Israel, so will THE SON be very visible to every eye at this time.  And, without any help from man's technology.  Of course, God can effect the thing of "every eye" seeing Christ simultaneously and in Person any way He wants to.  Sometimes He just reveals to us how He wants to. 

This is some of what I am seeing relating to the future, all rooted in what we find in Scripture.  And, with this understanding there has been such a coming together of the puzzle pieces of prophecy, that for me, nothing else even compares.  Am I right or wrong?  I may be wrong.  And, even if I'm right, partially right, or on the right track, it's not something that I really desire to argue about.  Rather, my putting this forth is just something that is really on my heart to do, something for my other brothers and sisters in Christ to consider.  Beyond that, my goal would simply be to help those who are interested to understand more fully what it is that I am seeing and how it will hold up under close Bible scrutiny.  I'm just another fellow Christian who has been helped by Christ's Spirit to understand some things (John 16:13).

Concerning Daniel 9:24-27 (Daniel's 70 Weeks prophecy), I see this as being the hub around which Daniel chapters 7-12 revolve. 

First of all,  about Daniel 9; why don't you go back to the beginning of the chapter and find out what it is about?

Daniel is praying to God and asking Him about the desolation (God's punishment leading to the destruction and thereafter, emptiness, banishment) of Jerusalem and his people - that's it. God answers him through Gabriel and simply tells him how long it will be. He gives him specific details surrounding this time period, 490 years (not 2500 years). God does not change His mind, nor does He change the future. Jesus arrived after 69th week and was cut off in the middle of the 70th week.

His torture and crucifixion was an abomination that led to the desolation of the Jews and destruction of the  Temple. Jesus fulfilled that chapter in history.

You and many others who hold to the 70th week/gap theory are conflating scriptures with future end time events that have nothing to do with His first coming and the destruction of Jerusalem. Daniel had many visions and most of them pertained to specific events. Chapter 9 has nothing to do with chapter 12, nor any future events in Revelation.

The Jews have been desolate since Christ. Christ came and on the wing of many abominations, He was slain. That led to their desolation (emptiness), destruction of Jerusalem and scattering the Jews throughout the world for 1900 years. Then they were brought back, Israel became a nation and Jerusalem recaptured.

Their blindness will be removed when Christ returns. The consummation of all prophecy will be fulfilled.

2 minutes ago, LadyKay said:

Perhaps you should find a pro-choice and pro-gay marriage Christian and ask them. Since I am neither one of these. 

But you claimed to be a liberal, so I presumed you are a Democrat and  those issues are what they stand for.

That was an assumption. Thank you for the answer.

6 minutes ago, Chicken coop2 said:

Stick to the issues and not personal attacks and snide comments. 

Both of your comments were personal attacks, distorting and misrepresenting my posts. Now you have a diversion tactic, avoiding all the questions. That's fine.  Liberals avoid the issues all the time. But wow, you can't even defend prayer and Christianity. ??? We're done.

22 minutes ago, LadyKay said:

Is this addressed to me?  We are going to need a new thread for this. 

Avoiding the answer, figures. This thread asks about judgement. Is or will God judge America, specifically for her sins such as abortion and Gay marriage, which would be in top the list.

Answer the questions. How can a Christian be pro-choice and be pro- Gay marriage?

12 minutes ago, leah777 said:

thats a bit of a huge jump for what Lady Kay said to suggesting a Liberal supports pro-choice and gay marriage.

As with so many discussions on here, some posters are all black and white, with no areas of grey or use of nuance in their thoughts. Very few things in life are a clear black and white point.

(I hope people realise i am not talking about colour of skin, but the polarization of thoughts)

So many disagreements due to some saying "You believe in this..............therefore you believe in that (insert extreme thought here) instead of just looking at the point in question.

 

It is no jump, the main issues for decades have been about pro-choice for Democrats and NOW since Ruth died, it is on top of the list. The Liberal Supreme Court (at that time) ruled for Gay marriage. They are not supposed to legislate. It should have gone through Congress for a vote!

When it comes to Christ, it is black or white, their are no grey areas. You are with Him or against Him.

As far as God is concerned, their are righteous acts and unrighteous acts (sin). There is no grey area there either.

I suppose a Democrat can be for the majority of party issues and against some, but these are major issues that are Biblical and since we are talking about JUDGEMENT, we need to be careful with what cause we are for and against.

1 hour ago, LadyKay said:

Well I do. But I'm one of them liberals. ?

How can a Christian approve of Pro-choice and gay marriage?

The Bible speaks against murder and God created man and women to join, be fruitful and multiply. Homosexuality is perverted. Rom. 1:26, 27 , did you skip over that?

God creates life and that life begins at conception. He grows  us in the womb. It is His creation and after conception, the process begins. If you abort it, you are violating God's creation, going against Him, destroying His property in a sense. Thou shalt not murder.

Liberals have a way of interpreting scripture so that it works for them or ignoring it altogether.

Lets see how you answer these questions?

1 hour ago, Chicken coop2 said:

Looks like you need to be a liberal to support freedom of religion based on the above post from @RonaldBruno.

 

Please don't distort my posts, like the media distorts news!

We all know what was intended by the founders - the freedom to practice religion, any religion. Of course back then, they were escaping the Catholic Church and the control it had. The  Reformation brought change, a new Protestant religion which caused division. Protestants also had differences and split into denominations. So this freedom of religion was motivated by their Christian differences. There were Jews who came over but Hindu, Budhism and Islam religions were not in their minds, there just weren't any in the beginning and not their motivational thrust behind the law.

But of course America under its Constitution welcomes all religions. Seeking God is a personal journey. Only God can draw the individual to himself at an appointed time, and we don't know if or when that will be, so whatever we you believe or follow, we are free to do so until God calls us - to Jesus.

My point was that the freedom to practice any other religion than Christianity is like the freedom to sin. Unbeknownst to them, they are not truly free until they are washed with the blood of Christ.

It was the inner freedom, not outward freedom that I was getting at.

As sin has consequences, so does following a false religion. You are free to practice it but it has not only negative effects on your life, but the lives of others.

In the 20th century we have been infiltrated by all these different religions and cultures. This idea if multi-cultural is harmful. 

6 hours ago, Chicken coop2 said:

Do you not support the idea of freedom of religion in the United States of America?

There is no freedom of any religion outside Christianity. We are set free in Christ. All other religions are in bondage and therefore their followers, slaves to Satan.

I would have to say, I would prefer a country with no other religion except Christianity.

Actually, that is God's plan for the world, to eradicate sin and evil, including all false religions, philosophies and teachings. Guess what, no more fake news either!

11 hours ago, LadyKay said:

Prayer was never removed from school. You are allowed to pray in school. You just can't force others to do so.

Individually no, but it was part of the daily schedule, the whole class did it together.

Instead, they will teach evolution, that nature is cause of our being and corrupt young minds with the idea that they can choose their own gender. 

2 hours ago, LadyKay said:

I didn't skip that. What would make you think that?

 

You made this post as if you are clueless of what God's sovereignty means:

Lady Kay said: "Then what is the point of voting? If God makes the choice?   And dose this also apply if the president is a democratic? And when were we a Christian nation?"

What about the rest of the historical perspective I offered? You seem to skip parts of the Bible that don't work for you AND the truth about history. Youths who join that BLM crowd dont know their history - they just focus on the blemishes, and have no perspective at all. Many of them are in fact, reprobates, whom God has already given them over to all their wickwdness.

That's a big problem with Liberals, they don't know their history or chose to discard it. Like a homosexual who wants to believe in Christ, but must go through and discard or distort scripture to continue with their lifestyle. (Rom.1:26, 27)

1 hour ago, LadyKay said:

Then what is the point of voting? If God makes the choice?   And dose this also apply if the president is a democratic? And when were we a Christian nation? Was it when we cheated the Native people out of their land. Was it when we bought and sold humans as slaves?  At what point in American History were we behaving as a Christian nation? 

"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God." Romans 13:1  I guess you skipped over that one?

God plans and works His will through us. We participate. If God actually guides us, as He is living in us, how do think that happens? His influence comes to us in thoughts. We think thoughts and assume they were self generated, came up with them ourselves. But God is right there, saying you ought to do this or do that. He is in CONTROL and that means we cannot screw up His plans, they are PERFECT and get done _ on time _ as He wills. He factors in all our blunders. So we vote, participate in His willful actions. And yes all presidents are appointed - for a purpose. If you've read the Old Testament, you see good kings and bad kings appointed by God. Some were for blessings and some for punishment, chastising. He would send and empower nations to defeat Israel AND ENSLAVE THEM FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. Talk about slavery; The Jews were slaves in Egypt for 420 years. But God had a plan as He did for America!

At the beginning of our history, before 1776 we had slavery, an injustice, something that was normal in the world. God seemed to allow it for a purpose concerning the Jews. But in our Declaration of Independence, men of God drafted a plan to rid the nation of this injustice. It didn't happen overnight, but within 90 years, it did. Things take time. Obviously 420 years of slavery in Egypt was appropriate. God sent Moses and you know the rest of the story. Well, God had His hand on George Washington, Jackson, Adams, Franklin and the rest and later Lincoln to absolve these injustices over time. Did the Jews obey God's law? Sometimes, but they failed to fulfill it, everyone of them. As we have our laws, we have all failed as well. 

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world..."

9 hours ago, not an echo said:

Concerning your statement, "Another thing to add to this conundrum is the the true placement of the "Last Trumpet," I just happened to speak some concerning my understanding of this a couple of posts back in a reply I made to Diaste.  Hope you will consider what I said there.  Here's a link (https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/255168-the-imminency-of-christs-sign-return-for-the-rapture-of-the-church/?do=findComment&comment=3279411).

You have a misconception on the Mid-Trib view ... at least my Mid-Trib view. I do not adhere to Daniels 70th week, gap theory. Grabriel gave a prediction to the exact time of Christ's First Coming. Christ died AFTER the 69th week and half way through the 70th week.

Daniel 24 states the 70 weeks are determined for your people and your holy city:  To finish trangression >>> Jesus died for our sins ; To make an end of sins >>> Those who put their faith in Christ are spiritually cleansed of all sins; To atone for wickedness >>> Jesus did make the final atonement; To bring in everlasting righteousness >>> He did;  To seal up vision and prophecy >>> It was sealed in the scroll that was handed to him; To anoint the most Holy >>> Jesus. This 70 weeks were accomplished.

"Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, there shall be seven weeks an d sixty-two weeks ..." Dan. 9:25 >>> That's 69 weeks up to the entrance and beginning of Jesus ministry! Meaning the 70th week starts his ministry! Verse 26 also confirms that Messiah will be cut off after the 69 weeks, not during. The verse eludes to a later time that speaks of _  another _  "prince to come"  will destroy the Temple (70AD) among other desolations.

What people interpret as actions by the Antichrist are things that Christ fulfilled.

"He confirmed a covenant with many for one week". >>>Christ brought a covenant. His ministry was btw exactly 3 1/2 years which confirms the following: "In the middle of the seven He will put an end to sacrifice and offering" >>> He did, He offered Himself as the final sacrifice.

9 hours ago, not an echo said:

We who truly believe in the imminency of Christ's return are not looking for any unfulfilled sign(s) to first be fulfilled.  Nor are we looking for any sign(s) that will help toward pinpointing the time of His return. 

So you are saying the passage in Matthew 24;6-14 has been happening since the first century and throughout history? "The beginning of sorrows" is also translated as the birth pangs. The birth pangs began in 1948, when Israel became a nation again. Some might argue 1967 when Jerusalem was recaptured; but birth pangs don't cover the last 1900 years as you may think. To put a nail on the head, you can say wars, famines, pestilence, earthquakes have occurred throughout, but you can't say verse 14 happened throughout. The gospel has just recently been preached to every nation and tongue - within the last few years ... but maybe not, maybe this year or next? Jesus said the end would come when that happens. That is a preceding sign, a final birth pang - the water is about to break.

12 hours ago, Chicken coop2 said:

I don't get this prayer removed from school in 1962 thing. I graduated from high school in 1977 and there was no such thing yet at that time. 

You are younger. I remember praying in Kindergarden, First grade and Second grade. 

"Education expert William Jeynes said on Wednesday that there is a correlation between the decline of U.S. public schools and the U.S. Supreme Court’s 1962 and 1963 decision that school-sponsored Bible reading was unconstitutional.

“One can argue, and some have, that the decision by the Supreme Court – in a series of three decisions back in 1962 and 1963 – to remove Bible and prayer from our public schools, may be the most spiritually significant event in our nation’s history over the course of the last 55 years,” Jeynes said." [CBS News, Penny Star]

13 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

Hippie movement was antiwar, not pro-drugs. There were no drugs in the public schools in'67. 80% of the people graduated High School a virgin, the opposite of what it is today.

I was 12 in that year. I listened to the Beatles and recalled that they had a tremendous influence on the youth. Their music evolved, they changed as they experimented with drugs, so did the world. I remember Woodstock, do you? That was the result. 

" Purple haze all in my brain
Lately things, they don't seem the same
Acting funny, but I don't know why
'Scuse me while I kiss the sky ..." Jimi Hendrix

Well drugs were prevalent in my High School Days (1970-73), but I saw it starting before that.

17 hours ago, LadyKay said:

Do you think you are ever going to wake up one morning to a "Christian Church" like America?  Jesus told us not to be of the world. Therefor it is known that the world is not of God. So should any of us be shocked or surprised by the things that the world dose?    Nations back in Bible days were not of God. 

Not shocked, just aware and answering the question. Keep in mind, God did have something to do with the greatness of America, had His hand in the lives of our Forefathers who were guided as they formed this nation, our Constitution, Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights, that all reflect Biblical principles. Every president was appointed by God and this country was born a Christian nation. The faithful pilgrims came, worked hard and brought their bibles with them. They forged this nations, pioneers ... our history is filled with those heroes. We had blemishes but we lived under His umbrella, in God we trusted ... and change came: growth, justice, fairness, prosperity and happiness. America was a light to the world, yet in this last generation, we've seen good and evil grow. The balance seemed to be manageable, but now we are close to the edge or the Abyss. 

16 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Thanks for your input, @RonaldBruno Still peaceful in my habitat of trees, native birds, butterflies etc...

Yes, I am retired and far enough away from the big cities, so enjoying a peaceful life - for now, yet sorrow comes over me when I read the news about what is going on in parts of the country.  I used to live in California for 40 years, moved to Texas 4 years ago and am happy I got out when I did. Texas is among a handful of conservative states left, but the big cities are liberal. New Zealand always sounded like a neutral zone, clean, unspoiled, beautiful and safe. I made it as far as Tahiti and Fiji, but always wanted to go further.

Do you think He is blessing America? In this generation, we have seen Prayer removed from schools (1962), JFK got shot (1963), the drug/hippie movement starting around 67', Abortion legalized in 74', and homosexuality going from (mental disorder prior to 74')  to being accepted and advocated in movies, TV shows and would you believe even Disneyland. Walt would roll over in his grave! We've seen the moral fiber descend into all sorts of perversions. Human trafficking is prevalent and most likely a former president took dozens of trips to Epsteins Fantasy Island where all his dreams came true ( not to mention his BJ in the Oval Office and purging himself under oath). Then 9/11/2001 changed things and then the Gulf wars as well. The recession in 2008 continuing for years was also not a blessing. And during all this, we've seen evil exposed, Enron, Madoff and more recently, are our DOJ, FBI, Hillary and of course the buck stops with Obama, illegal scandals.  Honestly, when Gay Marriage became law, I thought that was the last straw. The camel's back is broke.   Now we have division and a party trying so desperately to get rid of Trump that they create false, lying  narratives: Russian Collusion, Impeachment and more to come. Now we are threatened with violence in the streets, promoted and funded by the Left Wing Elites (George Soros and the Dems). Soros claims America is the obstacle preventing the world from their Utopian ideal, a NWO, which is a socialist, Marxist ideology, so he is spending hundreds of millions to collapse our economy, create civil disorder, lawlessness, attacking our police, capitalism, our religion, values, flag and Constitution. 

God is sovereign and therefore allowing this to take place. It can only mean the beginning of sorrows and soon a Great Tribulation/Judgment Day. So it's not just America, it is the world.