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  1. Listen folks, even the most educated and gifted teachers of the Bible consider these scriptures about the Nephilim mysterious and puzzling.
  2. I don't know from experience - haven't seen an angel before that I am aware if and certaining not a naked one. I am just a Christian asking for a rational answer why God would create an angel with the ability to procreate. Based on my understanding of the Bible, God's purpose for creation, His angels, I can't find any rational answer to that question or how hybrid creatures fit into His plan.
  3. I summarized your key points in your argument, which did not answer the question. So now you divert to criticism of my way of communication - with still no answer to the question. I know you are are frustrated. Its okay to say, you don't know the answer and that you just believe the Nephilim are hybrid angel/human offsrings. It's okay, Chuck Misler was a genious, who taught Christian Apologetics. I learned some fascinating concepts from him in the 90's. He wrote a book on the Nephilim. I read it and considered it true for awhile. Other well know pastors believe this too. I just don't. Peace.
  4. I do not believe angels have sex organs, yet angels are give male names as Michael and Gabrielle. But their purpose is to give messages and protect us as they battle in spiritual realms. Appearing in human form doesn't mean they also have functional reproductive organs.
  5. Still - no answer. That scripture does not answer the question. You keep struggling because you don't have an answer to my question. Concerning humans, he did not create automatons - true and wants us to willingly chose to love. That's not an answer. Angels rebelled against God, that was their sin --true, but irrelevant to my question. Willful disobedience has nothing to do with whether or not you were created to procreate. God's order with physical laws in the universe don't answer the question of WHY WOULD GOD PURPOSE TO CREATE ANGELS WITH THE ABILITY TO PROCREATE WHEN HE DID NOT INTEND FOR THEM TO DO SO? Advice: If you can't answer a question, just admit you don't know. Don't try to wing it, beating around the bush. Its okay if you don't know an answer. There is no logic or scripture behind creating angels with the ability to oricreate - just speculations, assumptions based on misinterpretations. Humans were made to procreate. Animals were made to procreate. All physical life forms do. Spirits don't. There will be no procreation in heaven when we receive our new eternal bodies - no purpose to. Again God creates all life, therefore He would have to approve an create these "falsely presumed hybrids" called the Nephilim. Would He not. Just give up trying to find the answer, because it doesn't exist.
  6. "His creatures can do all manner of things ..." "Humans are weak ..." "You have to understand Yahweh ..." "Chaos monsters ... Levithan and Behemoth ..." Sounds like you are winging it. Nice try -searching for something that may satisfy me. GOD IS SOVEREIGN. He has a purpose for everything. Angels that procreate would not be purposeful. Angels are powerful, able to kill 180,000 in a moment. Heck, that's like an atom bomb. They can appear physically in human form but I doubt (IMO) they can procreate. WHY? GOD CREATES ALL LIFE, therefore, He would have been responsible for creating these hybrid beings (IF they really existed). And then judge them for it? Nah.
  7. Tampered with, You didn't answer my question. And since you think Ryan Pitterson has the answers, skim through his book and find it: Why would God create angels with the ability to procreate if He did not intend them to?
  8. My big question about the Nephilim is, Why would God make angels (spiritual beings) who have the ability to appear as physical humans, also with the ability to procreate if He did not intend them to do so? He created Adam and Eve and gave them the command to be fruitful and multiply. I believe these scriptures are misunderstood. We are called sons of God, why? We believe in God. When we choose to mate with those who are unbelievers, we are in equally yoked. Giants in those days were like Goliath, 8-10 feet tall. So godly men mated with a tribe of ungodly large women and their offspring were large men.
  9. I think of when Jesus was punched, and the Roman guards said, "Prophecy, who hit you?" Or when the Pharisees challenged him to come down from the cross ... "If you are the Messiah, save yourself, come down ..." Or Herod, "You are a king?" Then laughing. I think all the OP scriptures above reflect a rebellious sinful nature in a broad sense. I think we can tighten this up a bit. Specifically, mocking is any use of scripture repeated in a rebellious way as to ridicule and reject God directly. Even outside scripture, to make a derogtory statement of doubt that God is who He is or the created the universe, and all that that is good. Likened to a Mocking bird that repeats dozens of bird sounds, yet doesn't know what they mean; people mock God, ridicule Him by repeating what He says in His Word, without knowledge or wisdom, to rebel, reject and assault God. They are insults, disrespectful, coming from blind souls that will not go unpunished. God will punish them.
  10. Ezekiel 38:20 King James Version (KJV) 20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. ---------------------- Rev. 6:12-15 KJV 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; ------------------------- And if you understand how to interpret Revelation, you'll also understand that it is not in a chronological order. God shows us repeated events from different vantage points, that overlap and accumulate. He shows us one event at a time, but many are happening. And example would be this worldwide earthquake, the same one in Rev. 6:12 is shown again here: Revelation 16:18-20 King James Version (KJV) 18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. 20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. As I said, you go thinking about your view, it will all pan out in the end. Then we will all say, Oh ... so that's what this meant and I was wrong about that too ... oh well ... all's well that ends well ... we're saved!
  11. Daniel 2 interprets the dream starting with Nebuchadnezzar's kingdom, the gold head of the statue. (note: There were two prior kingdoms before his.) Ezekiel does not say "fifth kingdom" after the fourth, but it is implied. He doesn't say "second" kingdom either in verse 36, he says, "Another kingdom inferior to you ..." so the number is implied. " ... and yet a third kingdom of bronze". "And there shall be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron." But the kingdom mixed with iron and clay has nothing to do with the fourth kingdom. Iron describes the strength or the fourth, but is not part of the "divided kingdom" after the fourth. Just because he does not identify it as the fifth, doesn't mean it is an extension of the fourth. The Roman Empire (west) ended in the AD 476 and continued on in the east until AD 1453. Then the Ottoman Empire appeared. Question: Are you disregarding this empire? Did Daniel not see this in his vision? Or could this empire be the divided one spoken of? You say that in Ezek. 38 & 39, Islam is destroyed. That is correct, since we see all the players, Gog, Magog, Meshech, Tubal, Persia, Put and Cush, Gomer, Beth Togarmah. These are all present day Islamic nations. So agreed. But these chapters speak of the Great Tribulation, Armageddon, any battles that would occur within that 3 1/2 year span. In Ezek 38: 19, 20; describes His wrath, a worldwide earthquake that is the same earthquake in Rev. 6:12. Look at Ezek. 39:7, where God says He will make His Holy name known among not only Israel, but also the entire world. Then in verse 9, it speaks of Israel burning weapons -- that means wars over at this time and for the following seven years! Verse 12 says they bury the dead for seven months - more confirmation that the war is over "In the day that I show My Glory." So this is after Jesus arrives and all eyes have seen him in His glory. Verses 25-29 describes a restoration period, the New Millennial Kingdom -- more confirmation that there will be no more wars, but burying bodies, burning weapons and restoring all things. Ezek. chapters 40-48 describe a New Millennial Temple/Kingdom.
  12. DANIEL 2 shows Nebuchadnezzar his present kingdom and future kingdoms NOT the two prior to his, Egyptian and Assyrian. But if you would like to omit them from history, go ahead. Rome was the 4th from Neb's perspective but the 6th in history. Rome is history, finished and will not return. The structure of government (Caesars spred to Russia with its Czars). No, the Beast has manifested itself today as Islam. The feet with ten toes are quite different and separate from the Roman Empire. This kingdom is partly strong (Iran, Turkey and Syria mixed with weaker Islamic nations like Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Suadi Arabia, Jordan, Lebanon, Yemen. Italy? Weak. Nothing in Rome or related to Rome will amount to any financial or military power in the future. In Revelation 2:13, Satan's home is identified, in PERGAMOS, currently located in Turkey. Certain areas of the world are controlled by demon princes. Look around the world and you can figure what areas are under string influences, places in turmoil, upheaval, like what we've seen in the Middle East among many of these nations. The EU? Weak and not particularly united ... Maybe concerning global warming. The UN? Also weak, not united ... never really accomplished much. Nations prefer their own sovereignty and culture, which is what globalism is trying to remove. I suppose if we ha e a Democrat president, he will usher us into Globalism. Still, I can't see the entire world attacking Israel. Islam is against Israel and Christianity as well, hence the word Antichrist. I guess there is no point to continue, we have different views that seem to be fixed... until something significant happens to change our minds.
  13. Daniel 2 identifies Rome as the 4th kingdom (starting from that time). The seven kingdoms Let’s take a look at all seven kingdoms that ruled the biblical world: Egypt – 3100 to ? (Genesis 12:10) Assyria – 2500 BC to 605 BC (Genesis 2:14) Babylon – 612 – 539 BC (Daniel 1:1) Medo-Persia – 539 – 331 BC (Daniel 5:28) Greecia – 331 – 168 BC (Daniel 10:20) Rome – 168-476 AD / 1453 AD – inc Byzantine period (Daniel 9:26 & Romans 1-7) Ottoman – 1453 – 1924 AD (Future empire when Revelation was written, but historical empire today) Dan. 2:42-43 states that the last kingdom, AFTER the Roman Empire (which ended), and after the Ottoman, will be a revived Islamic Empire consisting of ten nations (divided, partly iron, partly clay). The words "mixed and mingle" need to be looked at. The word ‘arab’ in Daniel 2: 41, 43 is not found anywhere else; because the passage in Daniel was originally written in Aramaic, which is very closely related to Hebrew. We can see that the Aramaic 6151 ‘arab’ corresponds to Hebrew words that describe the mixing of the Arab race. Aramaic 6151 arab corresponds to Hebrew 6148 arab – is a primative root, meaning ‘to braid, to intermix’ Hebrew 6150 arab is a primitive root identical with 6148. Hebrew 6152 arab is derived from 6150, and it signifies the land of Arabia. Hebrew 6154 ereb is derived from 6148, and signifies a ‘web of cloth’, also a mixture (or mongrel race), and especially the people of Arabia, a ‘mingled people’ or ‘mixed multitude’. Hebrew 6163 arabee is derived from 6152, and signifies ‘an Arab or inhabitant of Arabia’. The term “In the name of Allah” in Arabic resembles 666 (χξς) in Greek. What about the abomination spoken of by the prophet Daniel? Well look no further than a The Dome of the Rock. This mosque sits in the holy place where the Jewish Temple stood and given that Islam denies the son of God, then it could be said that it is an antichrist temple in the place of the Jewish Temple. It is very likely that the ten nations that will form against Israel are tribes and peoples that we have seen war against Israel ALL THROUGH HISTORY -- TAKE YOUR PICK ... THE ANTICHRIST WILL. (Note: All former Soviet Union nations are Muslim) The Ancient Country or People The Current Name or Region Ammon, Moab and Edom Jordan Arabia Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar and some of Iraq and Jordan Aram Syria Assyria Iraq Cush Ethiopia and some of Sudan, Somalia and Yemen (and possibly more of Africa) Dedan and Sheba Saudi Arabia Gomer Ukraine Magog, Rus and Rosh Russia Meshech and Tubal Turkey Midian Western Saudi Arabia and Southern Jordan Mizraim Egypt Philistia Palestine Phoenicia Lebanon Persia Iran and some of Iraq Phut/Put Libya and some of Egypt and North Africa Scythia Southern Russia Togarmah Parts of Turkey, Turkomen, Turkestan and Armenia
  14. Consider that the Arabic translation for, "In the name of Allah", looks almost exactly like the Greek symbols for 666. Thay may have been what John saw, the puzzle we were to figure out. This mark is worn on the sleeves and headbands of Islamic terrorists. Their signature is chopping off heads. When we look at Rev. 20:4, we see just that, souls of the beheaded. I spoke to a soldier the other day. He served several tours in the Middle East and stated that Islamic terrorism is our #1 threat in the world today. Maybe Globalism is #2? So the Beast with seven heads and ten horns may very well be a group of Islamic nations, possibly headed by Iran (the #1 terrorist funding country). We've seen the Beast, led by Satan, throughout history as Babylon, Medo/Persian, Assyrian, Egyptian, Roman, Greek and now something quite different. Ten horns, then 3 plucked, leaves seven. The seventh becomes the eigth, the "little horn". Who has recently been plucked? Saddam Hussein, Mubarak, Quadafi, even Osama Bin Laden can be viewed as a leader ... they were trying to oust Assad with no success. The Arab Spring began in Dec. 2010 and like dominoes, nations revolted all within a few months: Tunisia, Yemen, Egypt, Libya, Syria, etc. The GT will be centered around Jerusalem. All surrounding nations (Islamic) will come against Jerusalem. They already have several times in this generation. It should be no surprise that this coming war will involve Islamic nations (not the U.N., E.U., U.S.A. - a revised Roman Empire). There is anti-Semitism throughout the world, but will the entire world attack Israel? NOT any time soon. Iran has stated their desire to annihilate the Jews as other Islamic leaders/nations have. Okay, so if the church is raptured, (and btw, I do not believe Americans would be forced to where this mark - in this generation anyways), then the Jews will be the ones left behind, to be tested, a remnant that will see Jesus when He comes _ and mourn, but be enlightened to Christ (Rom. 11) and they will be forced to either convert to Allah or else surfer the consequences. Now they will flee into the wilderness and be protected, but many will suffer. Armageddon latter,occurs in the valley in Israel. Blood up to a horses bridle for 200 miles. That translates into hundreds of millions of dead bodies. This final war will be the entire world of unbelievers against God _ how insane. Oh well, that's my take ... among many.
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