RonaldBruno

Very astute to recognize the parallels. I've been trying to tell people for years that the scroll is the written play and the trumpet and bowl events fall within.  Jesus received the scroll in 32 AD and opened it - probably. Heaven is outside our time domain so we can't be sure if He opened it when He just arrived - but this was actually how John described it, as if it were in the past, immediately after He died, rise and ascended into Heaven.   How else would we know what was in it, how else would John know if He didn't open it? Of course we can presume that since the Father gave Him all authority in Heaven and on Earth, this implies omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence. So He knew what was inside and therefore didn't have to open it at that time. But Again, John described that way.

It is likely that the scroll is the title deed to the earth, a play written, but the actions don't start until the trumpets start to blow. There are mysteries here and confusion. One main problem is you cannot read Revelation in a linear fashion, it is not in chronological order. This is why there are so many views. Then you can screw it up even more if think most of the book is symbolic and can't be read literally.

I describe Revelation like a transparent multidimensional sphere with all the events inside. As you turn the sphere, you see different vantage points of those events, events overlapping and accumulating.

The worldwide earthquake that happens in Rev. 16:18 ( the 7th Bowl event) is the same worldwide earthquake in Rev. 6:12. Read the descriptions.

The 4 angels that are bound in Rev. 9:10 are released to destroy 1/3 of mankind. I submit that they are likely the 4 horsemen in Chapter 6. The only discrepancy/problem I see is that the pale horse is responsible for 1/4 of the deaths from wars, famine, pestilence and beasts whereas the angels in Chapter 9 are responsible for 1/3 if mankind.

Nevertheless we do see the similarities which I think are just different vantage points. God shows us these events in a linear fashion, one at a time. But we must realize that much is going on simultaneously.

On 8/16/2020 at 6:23 PM, Markesmith said:

You can remain in the burned over district if you like, with all the spooks kooks charismatics but you cant say the rapture is biblical! Joseph Smith also came from there your not in the morman cult I hope?

1 Thessalonians 4:17: "we which are alive and remain shall be "caught up" together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air".

This is not talking about what happens to an individual when they. This is talking about a transformation of the entire Church. We are given new eternal bodies in a split second in time

 The twinking of an eye is said to be a flash of light 1/10 of a second - to give you an idea.

THE RESURRECTION IS THE RAPTURE, just a another term used that describes when, where, how quickly it happens and that this event transforms ALL CHRISTIANS.

harpazo - to seize, by force, taken away, snatch or  1 Cor. 15:52 speaks of this moment, whether dead in Christ or alive in Christ, at the sound of the last trumpet.

Matthew 24:4o, 41 also see to be this event. 

9 hours ago, NotAllThere said:

Let's just pretend that it isn't effective. Then the CDC, AMD, the FDA being involved in a smear campaign wouldn't be the least bit odd.

Let's pretend for a moment that promoting hydroxychloroquine actually is actively harmful. Then Twitter suspending such accounts wouldn't be the least bit sinister.

Let's pretend that there is a cheap effective treatment called dexamethasone available that cuts mortality by about a third for those needing ventilating and a fifth for those who don't. Then that would counter the notion that the pandemic is being hijacked for political and financial reasons.

Let's pretend that research doesn't mean going to web sites that promote conspiracy theories and generally support a pre-existing view that something is amiss. Then it wouldn't be sinister at all, it would simply be an application of Isaiah 8:12-13.

“Do not say, ‘A conspiracy,’
Concerning all that this people call a conspiracy,
Nor be afraid of their threats, nor be troubled.

The Lord of hosts, Him you shall hallow;
Let Him be your fear,
And let Him be your dread.

Dexamethasone sounds good ... but the pretending game ...

I don't care for pretentious people. I am more realistic. You can pretend that it's just a virus and just an unfortunate, natural phenomenon, it's no one's fault, their is nothing evil about it, no one conspiring ... heck why not just say the Media reports truth, the government is filled with godly men who are honest and Satan has no influence in the world.

You can bury your head in the sand too. This is a spiritual war sir - don't pretend it isn't!

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"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."      Eph. 6:12

"Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour."      1 Pet. 5:8

22 hours ago, Markesmith said:

Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

³⁰ And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

³¹ And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

after the second coming He gathers the elect!

That's right, "after the tribulation in those days", means that the last trumpet is #7. We must go through the events in the first six trumpets and seals.  He appears, every eye sees HIM and at that moment, it sounds, the rapture occurs, and the 7 Bowls filled with God's wrath are released at that time.

There is not a rapture prior to this last trumpet (which is blown by an angel - not by a man during the Feast of Trumpets). Of course the Pre-tribbers are adamant about this and will deny that the last Trump is the 7th ... because it destroys their whole view. We shall see.

Actually, I would prefer that they were right and me wrong. Another morsel to add: I think we are in the "beginning of sorrows", also spoken about in Matthew 24. This time we are in precedes the GT. Pestilence, locusts in Africa that might lead to famine, wars coming, earthquakes more frequently ... all speak to the times.

Also Benjamin Netanyahu just saud the words: "Peace and Security" concerning their new deal with the United Arab Emirates. The Muslim world is in a tizzy over that.

On 8/10/2020 at 6:54 AM, Walter Goraj jr said:

Millions of people don't know the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine because the media and other entities don't want you to know and that's the truth. Did you know not too long ago there were over a hundred and fifty Frontline doctors at the Capitol making the case for hdq and other remedies because they want the truth to be known they couldn't keep silent any longer... check it out my friend!

Isn't it odd how the CDC, AMA, the Media, FDA are involved in this smear campaign against Hydroxychloroquine? If you mention anything positive about it on Twitter and your account is suspended. The AMA are reprimanding doctors who are using it. Then they are sending negative propaganda out that is distorting the truth about a drug that has been used for 60 years, is safe, effective against Covid-19 when used with Zinc AND CHEAP. In many countries, you can buy it over the counter. 

This reinforces the notion that this whole pandemic is being hijacked for political and financial reasons. If they come out with a vaccine - how much will they charge? Thousands?

And even Fauci admitted it may not work? 

Does Bill Gates or Soros have stock in this vaccine? Likely. What else will be in this vaccine? Something harmful ... a chip?

Some have speculated that it will be designed to have a negative reaction to the next wave of coronavirus that comes, that it will kill you and of course they will blame it on the virus itself ... a different strain. 

Another  theory is that if you take it, you also need a pill periodically for the rest of your life and for any reason, they can choose not to give it to you - if you oppose the Left ideologies for instance, or you're a Jew or Christian, too weak or too old.

Keep in mind, Bill Gates' parents started Planned Parenthood. It's interesting that 79% of all Planned Parenthood Clinics are situated in or near Black and Hispanic communities. Much of his parents work was in Africa. And they believed in Eugenics, population control. BILL has apparently become a major influence in the WHO and apparently owns a patent on the Coronavirus and vaccine. That means it was mutated in a lab, not manmade, just altered, genetically engineered. It is also interesting that 5x as many blacks die from Covid-19 and 7x as many native Americans. Why is that?

 These people who want a NWO, believe the earth is way over populated and so needs to be downsized to about 500 million.

The question is: How will they do that?

Soros owns shares in that Wuhan Lab where the virus came from and has  labs under different names in the US - the implications are diabolical! This guy is funding Antifa, BLM and basically wants to destroy everything good about our country.

We should arrest him and lock him up as a terrorist. 

The more you research this stuff, the more sinister it gets.

On 8/4/2020 at 8:46 AM, ReneeIW said:

I’m not sure if this has been talked about in the press( I stopped tuning in months ago) but not all doctors and nurses know how to properly use ventilators. So I think you may be on to something with the bacteria infections coming from ventilators. I have personal experience with this. And we are very fortunate that it is not affecting kids (for the most part) because from my experience, doctors know less about how to properly use ventilators on children.  

I've heard 75% of those put in ventilators die. I guess the mechanical assistance needed means you are in the critical stage - close to death.

21 hours ago, JacquelineDeane55 said:

I mean, who in their right and sane mind would honestly believe anything like that? It betrays basic common sense and rational thought to say that the universe we live in is millions or billions of years old.

Besides, I thought that radio-carbon dating had been refuted as not a reliable dating method anyway.

My father is a proponent of Intelligent Design. I am not surprised that both of my parents are, they are born-again Bible-thumping saints in Christ. Dad says that the complexity of DNA proves that an intelligent mind created all life on this planet. Things did not happen by random chance. I think this as well.

I say that intelligent design is far more likely than evolution is.  I never really did believe in evolution or believe in the sciences. Lack of interest I believe. Also science is not infallible like GOD is. Scientific papers have shown to disagree with one another, its hard to tell which ones are a lie.

What are some of the things that you guys believe?

 The spiritual nature of man _ void of God _ rebels against, resists and pushes away from the notion of a Creator. Desperate to find an answer out there, they grasp at anything in their imagination that can support their views... "There must be a natural, physical causal force ... the answer is out there somewhere ... we'll find it." And because the size of the universe is based on the speed of light, they assume it is 13.7 billion years old. So if they see that light from the furthest stars, they logically think it took that long to get to us.

But leaning on our own understanding/logic without factoring in the supernatural power of God is faulty. 

The only logical explanation (when including God in the picture), is that when He created light, He also gave us that light instantly. The light from distant stars that were created on the fourth day was seen by Adam on the sixth day.

I think the OP is reasonable.  

We do have the Holy Spirit living in us! We do have personal access to God. He is guiding us in the way we should go. And we have faith to do all things in Christ who strengthens us. Not anything we chose to do as we selfishly desire; but all that is in God's will. Our will is sometimes tainted with sinful desires, since sin  dwells in the members of our flesh: our minds and bodies.

Our spirit is cleansed, but still we have this duel nature, warring against each other.

As I said, faith is given to Christians in portions. God has appointed certain tasks for us to do, some do great things but most of us live out our lives with not much more faith than to deal with our own lives and our family's. Some have faith enough to be pastors and more - whatever, His will be done in your life.

We are going to need to access that power of God to make it through the beginning of sorrows and at least part of the Great Tribulation period.  Evil is upon us and more evils are coming.

Hold onto your faith, use your spiritual gifts to help others and pray. Put your armor on ... the Antichrist has gone out out to conquer.

On 8/12/2020 at 3:05 AM, Peterlag said:

I don't know how many I have helped since my writing is online. I write what I see in the resurrected Christ. You can look me over if you care to do so at...

I liked the healthy info, I also practice good eating habits. So Peter is Stephen? Why don't you go by Stephen, if that is your site? Are these collections from doctors like Nancy Appleton and Robert Keller, and which articles are yours?

Regardless, Stephen's site is helpful to many. Stephen is doing what God equipped him to do and that is wonderful.

11 hours ago, Peterlag said:

We have the power within us of unlimited potential, and we can reach forth with the touch of the Master’s hand because he is in us—inside our being. And this is why wherever we are with God in Christ in us, we will have that same radiance, that same light, and that same life, which has magnified the Christ to shine. Not because of who we are, but because of what God made us to be when He created in Christ Jesus. God’s seed in us, also known as the gift of holy spirit, is our connection to God, who is the Holy Spirit. The gift of holy spirit is our power base because of our connection to Christ.

When he was circumcised, we were circumcised with him.
(Colossians 2:11)

When he was baptized, we were baptized with him.
(Romans 6:3)

When he was crucified, we were crucified with him.
(Galatians 2:20)

When he died, we died with him.
(Galatians 2:20)

When he was buried, we were buried with him.
(Colossians 2:12)

When he arose, we arose with him.
(Ephesians 2:6)

When he ascended, we ascended with him.
(Ephesians 2:6)

When he sat down, we sat down with him.
(Ephesians 2:6)

We were called in him. (Romans 8:29-30)
We were made alive with him. (Colossians 2:13)
We were baptized into him. (Romans 6:3)
We were reconciled in him. (Romans 5:10)
We were redeemed by him. (1 Peter 1:18-19)
We were justified in him. (Romans 3:24)
We were made righteous in him. (Romans 5:16-18)
We were sanctified in him. (1 Corinthians 6:11)
We were glorified in him. (Romans 8:30)

WE ARE CONNECTED MORE THAN WE REALIZE.

Agree with those scriptures, it  just seems that what I have done with this power is nothing great. I mean I accept what I have done, am content, but it's not remarkable.

Not everyone does great things. We are given different levels of faith, different spiritual gifts and so some live simple, common, uneventful lives and then some are like Billy Graham or Chuck Smith or the Apostle Paul.

Not everyone can be president or Michael Jordan. Matter of fact, there was only one Michael Jordan.

So what have you accomplished in your life? Maybe you had greater faith? Have you led a million to Christ or just a few?

Jesus is not the Rider on the white horse in Rev. 6. This rider goes out to conquer with a bow and has only 1 diadem (crown). No, this is the Antichrist, having a short period of time to conquer the world.

Jesus is the Rider on the white horse in             Rev. 19:11-16. This is an obvious description. He is wearing many crowns, is the faithful and true Savior and is coming in Judgment. He had already conquered sin and Satan on the cross.

1 hour ago, LonerAndy said:

Why would they want to live longer?

That's an odd statement in my mind.   You realize that after this is Heaven.   Heaven....  the perfect place, where there is nothing but perfection?

You want to be here another 40+ years?   Why?

Honestly, if you are telling me that eating that food is going to keep me on this Earth 40 more years, that is the best reason ever, to go to the nearest McDonald's for dinner.

I don't get it.  Not one thing about this planet, is going to hold the smallest candle to going to Heaven.  Why would we want to stay here longer?

I'm honestly if you want all those things, great.  If you want to eat that kind of food, that's fine.  But the motivation is to stay on this Earth longer.. I don't get that.  What for?   Man I'm ready to go NOW, and I'm only 43.  I can't imagine any reason I'd want to be here another 80 years.  Good Heavens, no.  NO no no.

I agree with heaven being the perfect final resting place. I can't wait either. I just want to live healthy while I'm here. Besides, good nutrition and exercise does not determine the length of your life. Kobe Bryant was probably pretty healthy. I always told people to honor their parents, that they may live long lives. 

But if I do live to be 80, I want to look 60 and be able to run, swim and think clearly without any medications. This is my temple for now and I intend to live and eat the food God provided. WWJD - Eat at McDonald's or over Ron's house?

On 8/9/2020 at 1:48 PM, LonerAndy said:

Yes, all sugars lead to obesity.  HFCS is a sugar.  If we banned HFCS, and replaced it with beet sugar, or cane sugar, the results would be the same.

Pesticides are poison, yes.  Do you want no food?  Because no pesticides means no food.  There is no farm anywhere in America, that does not use pesticides.  Do you want the tree sap poison that kills everything, and lasts for decades, or the human created pesticide that evaporates in 3 months, so that it is gone before you get the food?

As for everything else....

If you want to eat coconut oil and unprocessed wheat cut from the stalks... that's fine.

I will say this.  I'm amazed at how many pagan people who eat whatever they want, don't spend their lives worried about all these things, and live into their 80s and 90s.  How does that happen?

My Christian parents are in their late 70s right now.  Both in perfect health.  Both never cared about all this stuff.   Never worried about calcium propionate.   Never fried stuff up with organic Coconut oil.  Never wasted their time making their own bread.  Never drink alkaline water.  How did that happen?

Both of my grand mothers lived into their 80s, and neither worried themselves with such things.

USDA certified grown farms cannot use synthetic pesticides, herbicides or fertilizers.

So there are natural pesticides like spearmint oil, citronella and quartz sand. Iron, potassium, beeswax, are also nlm toxic to humans. Certain  flowers planted in gardens ward off bugs as well.

Your grandmothers probably ate less processed foods than you realize. Your parents are in their 70's and maybe they will live an avrerage lifespan - which is now 78 -80 or longer. But just think if they always ate good nutritious food and exercised, how much longer they might live?  God created man to live up to 120 years in this fallen world.

On 8/2/2020 at 6:01 PM, BeauJangles said:

 While this remains evident, I see no easy solution. Neither do I see a workable situation but for radical measures which some do. Much of the time it seems in vain to me. Do these measures of either going vegan or holistic approaches enrich living standards for the average consumer?

It's long, tedious, time consuming, a major effort in the undertaking, and often impractical for many modern day families to spend with their busy family schedules. I take substantial amounts of supplements for the next best answer as a lot of people in this day and age do. 

I would tend to agree with you on that aspect. While I don't have the highest goals in mind, I do make decent attempts to generally eat the best of what's commonly available. No, it's not the optimal. Still, I feel generally pretty well with my dietary concerns overall. Of course, I could be more conscientious but I'm doing the best I can under the circumstances. 

No sugar is good sugar. Not even honey which probably the best natural source available since time began as we know it. Here are our current available types of sugars and sweeteners. 

 

What most people would call sugar in this country is granulated, highly refined cane sugar. That’s the most common form sugar used at the table and for cooking. But there are many forms of cane sugar, as well as sugar from other plants. In addition, there are liquid sweeteners such as honey and maple syrup, as well as an increasing number of artificial sweeteners such as Splenda and Truvia.

Here’s a rundown of the types of sweeteners you can choose.

Sugars

• Beet sugar: Sugar beets are sliced, then the liquid is extracted, partially evaporated, and boiled off. The resulting sugar crystals are white and can be used like granulated sugar.

• Brown sugar: This moist sugar is granulated cane sugar that has molasses added to it. It comes in both light and dark forms. Dark brown sugar has more molasses than the light version and has a stronger flavor. Light brown sugar has less molasses and less of a molasses flavor and is also a little less moist. They can be used interchangeably. Dry, granulated brown sugar is also available.

• Cane sugar: Sugar is made from sugarcane that is chopped, then has some water added, and is then heated, clarified with the addition of lime, and evaporated. The resulting syrup is then centrifuged to extract the sugar crystals. The liquid by-product of this process is called molasses. The two main categories of cane sugar are white refined sugar and brown sugar.

• Date sugar: Made from ground, dehydrated dates, this very sweet sugar does not dissolve when added to liquids.

• Demerara sugar: This “raw,” pale brown, coarse-textured cane sugar is from Demerara, an area in Guyana where the cane grows in rich, volcanic soil. It is often used as coffee sugar.

• Fructose: Fruit sugar, twice as sweet as refined cane sugar, provides moisture in baked goods. It’s sold in both a granular and liquid form. Commercial fructose is not extracted from fruits, but is created by treating glucose with enzymes.

• Fruit sweetener: Made from grape juice concentrate blended with rice syrup, this sweetener is about 80 percent as sweet as white sugar. It is sold in both granular and liquid form.

• Jaggery (palm sugar, gur): Made from the reduced sap of either the sugar palm or the palmyra palm, this sugar is dark brown and crumbly. The two most common forms of jaggery are the solid cake form of which the reduced sap is traditionally dried in coconut shells, and a soft type with a spreadable texture. Sometimes the syrup is smoked, giving the jaggery a black color and smoky flavor. It is generally found in East Indian markets and is available in both granular and liquid form.

• Maple sugar: This is maple syrup with all the liquid evaporated, leaving behind a dry sugar. It comes both in pressed cakes as well as in a granulated form. Except for the fact that it is expensive, this is a good substitute for refined sugar because the mouth perceives it as much sweeter than white sugar and it has fewer calories.

• Muscovado (Barbados) sugar: This “raw” cane sugar is similar to brown sugar, but with a richer, more complex flavor. It comes both light and dark.

• Piloncillo (panela, panocha): Raw sugarcane is crushed to extract the juice, then boiled to evaporate the liquid. It is poured into cone-shaped molds and sold in cone shapes in Hispanic markets.

• Raw sugar: True raw, unrefined sugar is not allowed to be sold in the United States because of the presence of dirt, insect fragments, and other unknown particles. Sugar sold as “raw” in this country has actually gone through at least 50 percent of the refining steps. Examples of “raw” sugar are Demerara, Muscovado, and Turbinado.

• Rock sugar (Chinese rock sugar): This lightly caramelized cane sugar is amber in color and not quite as sweet as regular granulated sugar. It is used in many Chinese dishes.

• Sucanat: Juice from organically grown sugarcane is turned into granular sugar by a process that does not involve any chemical additives. It is light brown and has a mild molasses taste.

• Turbinado sugar: Raw cane sugar crystals, derived from the first pressing of sugarcane, are steam-cleaned, but not bleached, to produce a blond, delicate, molasses-flavored sugar that is similar to Demerara, but with smaller crystals.

• White refined sugar (granulated sugar, table sugar, sucrose): White refined sugar comes primarily from sugarcane though also from sugar beets. It is highly refined, free-flowing sugar and the type most Americans think of as sugar. In addition to the typical granulated sugar, it comes in a number of other granulations, from coarse to fine. Coarse sugar is large crystals of granulated sugar, used for decorating baked goods. Superfine sugar is finer than granulated sugar and dissolves instantly. It is therefore often used in drinks and may be referred to as bar sugar. In England it is known as castor sugar. Confectioners’ sugar (10X sugar, icing sugar) is granulated sugar that has been crushed to a very fine powder. It often has a small amount of cornstarch added to prevent clumping. This is used in baking and to make frostings.

 

Liquid sweeteners

 

• Barley malt syrup: Roasted, sprouted whole barley is combined with water and cooked down to produce this brown liquid. It has a flavor similar to light molasses.

• Corn syrup: Corn syrup is made by converting the starches in corn to sugar. Light corn syrup is clarified, removing any particles. Dark corn syrup has caramel coloring added and has a stronger flavor than light.

• Honey: Our attraction to honey goes back to antiquity. In fact, references to honey can be traced back to 9,000 years ago in the form of cave paintings. Honey was so prized that the ancient Romans used it instead of gold to pay their taxes. Honey is the thick, sweet liquid made by bees from flower nectar. The honey’s color and flavor come from the source of the nectar. There are hundreds of different honeys and, in general, the darker the honey, the stronger the flavor. In addition to the standard liquid honey, it comes in a few other forms: In comb honey, the liquid honey is sold still in the chewy, edible comb. Chunk-style honey has bits of chewy honeycomb included in the jar along with the honey. Whipped honey is honey that has been processed by controlled crystallization to give it a thick, smooth, spreadable consistency. It is sometimes called honey butter or creamed honey. Though some preliminary studies show that honey does contain antioxidants, most people don’t eat large enough amounts of honey to reap any of the benefits. A tablespoon of honey is not a significant source of anything, except calories. This flavorful sweetener comes with one important caveat: Honey should never be fed to infants under the age of 12 months. Because their digestive systems are immature, babies less than 1 year of age are susceptible to infant botulism, an illness that can originate from spores in honey that have no effect on older children or adults.

• Malt syrup (malt extract): This natural sweetener is made from a mash of evaporated ground corn and sprouted barley. It has an earthy flavor and is less sweet than honey.

• Maple syrup: In Colonial America, Native Americans taught the early settlers how to tap the sugar-maple tree for its sap and how to boil the sap down to evaporate the water and produce the thick, sweet syrup the Indians called “sweetwater.” Because the processing of maple syrup is time consuming and labor intensive, it is rather expensive. Maple syrup is available graded according to color and flavor. Fancy or Grade AA is light amber and mild in flavor. Grade A, which comes in both medium and dark amber, is mellow with a delicate maple flavor. Grade B is dark and full-bodied with deep maple flavor, and Grade C is very dark with a molasses-like flavor. There are also maple syrup-like products called pancake syrups, which are corn syrups mixed with varying amounts of real maple syrup. Some pancake syrups have no maple syrup at all, and are flavored with artificial maple extract.

• Maple honey is maple syrup that’s been boiled until it achieves the consistency of honey. Maple cream (maple butter) is boiled longer still and is thick and spreadable.

• Molasses: When granulated sugar is extracted from sugarcane, the remaining brownish-black liquid is called molasses. The type of molasses depends on what part of the sugar-refining process produces it. Light molasses comes from the first boiling of the sugar syrup in the sugar-making process. Dark molasses is the by-product of the second boiling of the sugar syrup. Blackstrap molasses, the strongest and most bitter of the three, comes from the third boiling. The British call molasses treacle. Molasses also comes in either sulfured or unsulfured. Unsulfured molasses, made from the juice of sun-ripened sugarcane, is the lightest and most delicately flavored. Sulfured molasses is made from green, immature sugarcane that’s been treated with sulfur during the sugar extracting process. It has a stronger flavor than unsulfured molasses.

• Rice syrup: This thick amber syrup is made from a combination of sprouted barley and cooked brown rice that is fermented to convert the starches to sugar.

• Sorghum molasses (sorghum syrup): The juice from stalks of sorghum (a cereal grass) is boiled down to produce this thick, mild-flavored syrup, which is similar to light molasses.

Sugar substitutes

Artificial sweeteners are now usually called sugar substitutes or low-calorie or noncaloric sweeteners, largely because the word “artificial” makes many people uncomfortable.

There are some sugar substitutes—such as sorbitol and other forms of reduced-calorie sugar alcohols—that provide the sweet taste found in many sugar-free candies, cookies, and chewing gums. Foods made with sugar alcohols affect blood glucose levels less dramatically than sugar and therefore require little or no insulin for metabolism. Thus, sugar alcohols are often used in foods for people with diabetes.

 

While popular conception is that artificial sweeteners will help you lose weight, studies have in fact failed to show that artificial sweeteners keep people from gaining weight, much less help them lose significant weight. There is competing advice on whether or not to use sugar substitutes—or drink diet soda, for that matter—and it is a discussion worth having with your doctor.

• Advantame: Advantame is a water-soluble, white crystalline powder that can be used as a table sweetener or in cooking. It’s made from aspartame and a compound found in vanilla. Advantame was approved by the FDA in 2014, and is called a “high-intensity” sweetener because it is about 20,000 times sweeter than sugar.

• Acesulfame-K (acesulfame potassium): This sugar substitute was approved by the FDA in 1989 and is used in soft drinks, candy, baked goods, and other foods, sometimes combined with aspartame. More than 90 studies have given it a clean bill of health, though many consumer groups still worry about it. Acesulfame-K passes through the body unchanged and is thus noncaloric. It contains only a small amount of potassium per serving. It does not break down when heated and can be used in baked goods and other cooked foods. Brand names include Sunett and Sweet One.

• Agave syrup: Taken from the nectar of the agave cactus, honey-like agave syrup has enjoyed increasing popularity in the past few years due to assumption that it is more nutritious or lower calorie than sugar. There is little evidence indicating that this is the case.

• Aspartame: Approved by the FDA in the early 1980s, aspartame is made from two amino acids (the building blocks of proteins) and has almost no calories. It’s used in countless foods and beverages, but can’t be used in most baked goods. Aspartame should not be used by people with a rare genetic condition called phenylketonuria (PKU), who lack the ability to process one of the amino acids.It is sold under the brand names Nutrasweet, Equal, and Sugar Twin, among others.

• Neotame: Approved by the FDA in 2002, neotame is at least 7,000 times sweeter than regular sugar, making it a “high-intensity” sugar substitute. It can be used in baking, and is often added to manufactured foods. It’s sold under the brand name Newtame.

• Saccharine: This artificial sweetener is 200 to 700 times sweeter than sugar, and is sold under the brand names Sweet’N Low and Sweet Twin, among others. Saccharine was linked to bladder cancer in rats in the 1970s, but since then more than 30 studies in people have found it safe for human consumption.

• Sorbitol: This occurs naturally in some fruits and berries. It is not quite as sweet as regular sugar. In addition to being used as an artificial sweetener, sorbitol is used as a thickener and stabilizer in candy and numerous food products.

• Stevia: An herbal extract from a member of the chrysanthemum family, stevia has become a widely used calorie-free sweetener. It’s sold under the brand name Truvia, among others. Marketers tout stevia as a “natural” alternative to artificial sweeteners, but because the leaves must be highly processed to isolate the compounds in the packets of sweetener, it’s as artificial as other sugar substitutes.

• Sucralose: A chemically modified form of sugar, Sucralose gained impressive popularity in the beginning of the 2000s with the introduction of the brand Splenda. Sucralose is between 320 and 1,000 times sweeter than table sugar. It is a useful alternative to sugar because it can sustain high heat and thus is a good substitute in baked goods. Sucralose is approved as safe by the FDA.

Also see Sugar Substitutes: All Are Not Equal.

Agreed. 

Aspartame, saccharin and Sucralose are bad. You are better off with raw sugar. Aspartame reacts to a small percentage of people. Some have had seizures, neurological disorders, even blindness. If I remember correctly, the FDA will pass a chemical or drug through as long as unsafe symptoms occur below 0.5 %. That means if 4 people out of 1000 experience negative side effects, it's okay and gets an approval: "Heck with those people - we're gonna  make billions!" So the kid that has convulsions, no problem, the doctor will find out and just tell him not to use it anymore.

I have had dizziness and double vision problems from drinking diet cokes sweetened with sucralose. I guess I'm one of those rare cases whom they could care less about. They don't warn you on the label. But with drugs, they do warn us of the vast number of possible side effects - don't they. And again, these side effects may affect a small percentage but still, when a side effect us death, is it worth taking the chance?

Well, here's info on Sucralose - where oxygen is replaced with chlorine. I heard they use formaldehyde to make it and it has a similar composition as DDT. 

https://www.womenshealthnetwork.com/nutrition/the-dangers-of-splenda-and-other-artificial-sweeteners.aspx

On 8/2/2020 at 4:49 PM, LonerAndy said:

I guess I am not nearly as concerned.

People are better off today, than at any time in human history.  Around the world today, and in the US, we now have a higher standard of living, and supply of safe stable food, than at any time in the last 6,000 years.

High Froctose Corn Syrup is perfectly fine.  There is nothing more unhealthy about HFCS, than any other sweetener.   It is similar to sugar beats and cane sugar.   In short, it is very similar to other types of processed sugars.

Which also is the only unhealthy aspect of HFCS, is that it is a sugar, and will cause diabetes and obesity, like any other sugar.

https://youtu.be/6-uL2oW4dcY

This is a simple 1.5 minute video that explains how HFCS is made.   It's not all that complicated really, and nor is there anything involving toxic chemicals.

I realize there is a ton of goofy stuff on the internet, and even on college campuses about how horrible HFCS is.  However, the medical industry has found nothing to support such claims.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/high-fructose-corn-syrup/faq-20058201
 

There is no evidence at all, thus far, that HFCS is any less healthy than any other sweetener.   That doesn't mean you should use it all the time.  It is still a sugar, and still causes obesity and diabetes like any other sugar.

As with all things, moderation.

Pesticides are an unavoidable aspect of farming.   Without pesticides, the entire world would be starving to death.   No pesticides, means no food.   It really is that simple.

Imagine if you will, being a chicken farmer, with outdoor coops.  You are in Wyoming or Idaho.  Wolves or foxes are there.  You decide to put no protection around your dozen chicken coops with a hundred chickens..   In a matter of days, you will barely have 5 chickens left.  The rest will all be eaten by predators.

The same is true of farming.   Instead of chickens, you have crops.  Instead of foxes and wolves, you have bugs and fungus.

If you do not use pesticides, you won't have any food.  No food for you the farmer, means no food for us in the cities, and the result will be mass starvation.

Even so-called organic farms, use pesticides.   Everyone uses pesticides.  You can't have farms without pesticides.  Even Amish farmers use pesticides.  It simply isn't possible to have a farm, and not use a pesticide.

So how do so-called organic farmers charge higher prices, while not using chemicals?  Well they do use chemicals.  They use "organic" chemicals.  That's how they claim to be organic farms, while using chemicals, is they use chemicals produced by nature.   Nature has some wickedly toxic chemicals if you don't know.

One "organic" farm I read about, was hosing down their vegetable, with an extremely toxic tree sap.  Tree sap that lasts for decades, and kills everything.   Bugs or animals that eat the tree sap, die.

Meanwhile the inorganic farms... were using a chemical humans created, that naturally degrades over time.   So they spray this pesticide on the crops, and by the time of the harvest, the chemical has decomposed and is gone.   It specifically designed to last just long enough to protect the crops, and then vanishes.

Which do you want on your food?  The chemical pesticide that naturally degrades in harmless dust, or the toxic tree sap that lasts decades?  Or do you simply not want to have food?

I'm more worried about people using government to mandate toxic tree sap on my food, than the chemical pesticides.  That's me.

Genetically modified organism (GMO).  This is one of the most abused topics in our society today, which is why I saved it for last.

Nearly everything that we have today, is GMO.   Everything.  Literally everything.  When you see a pure bred dog, or horse, or cow, or anything.... you are looking at a GMO.

When you breed for a specific trait you want, such as different types of dog traits, that is GMO.   You are genetically engineering a dog with the traits you want, by selective breeding.

The same is true of all other GMOs. 

The corn you see labeled "A"... is how corn really is in nature.  "D" is modern sweet corn.  Sweet Corn has been genetically modified to be nothing like what it was over thousands of years ago.

Same is true of bananas.

Those are non-GMO bananas.

So we need to first understand that everything around us is GMO.   The media has really messed with people, by making up all these goofy spook stories about syringes with purple colored water, being injected into a tomato.   Not true. Not how it works.

I can talk some more about GMOs if you like.

If you have any questions, just ask.

HFCS leads to obesity ... haven't you noticed that 40% of Americans are obese? What do you think ccauses that? They used to tell us it was fat, so 50 years ago they came out with margarine, low fat diets and products using artificial fat substitutes, etc. Yuck, never ate margerine.

 But now they know it's partially high carb intake.

Pesticides are poison, they interfere with digestion. If they kill bacteria on the food, what do you think they do to the intestinal flora - the good bacteria in your gut?

Calcium propionate is BAD - also put in lots of foods. So many chemicles are in processed foods - and people just pick them off the shelf with examining what they are actually putting in their body - if  is healthy or harmful ... "I don't care ... it tastes good to me!" Yeah 20 years later you are being rushed to emergency in a diabetic coma or heart attack.

Obesity, diabetes wasn't much of a problem 50 years ago and now it is. 20x as much suger is used in processed foods and drinks. Look at how many forms of sugar are in the product too. They use several so that it isn't the #1 ingredient - add them up and sugar is. I re 600k die every year from heart attacks, 600k from cancer, hundreds of thousands from dozens of diseases that can be avoided by healthier eating habits and exercise

Just about every bread on the shelf has HFCS and hydrogenated oils/trans fats. >>> obesity. Some products are avoiding them, a new healthy trend. But manufacturers arent required to list everything in their products. So even if we check, we cant be sure what's in there.

None of the oils are good for cooking because they have lower heat tolerance, burn and so all fried foods are bad. They ONLY OIL that should be used for cooking at high heat is unrefined, cold pressed, organic Coconut oil. Even Olive oil has low heat tolerance, burns and changes into fats that are difficult to digest so are stored.

There are so many toxic substances in processed foods, too numerous to mention. So jere is an article listing them.

https://mphprogramslist.com/50-jawdroppingly-toxic-food-additives-to-avoid/

 If it has more than 5 ingredients, put it back on the shelf. Matter of fact, half of the food in the aisles is unhealthy. Shop on the perimeter of the store, fresh fruits and veggies, meats. Make your own bread, your own drinks with fresh fruits, teas with less sugar or stevia or no sweetener. 

Bacteria and viruses flourish in a body filled with sugar. When you are sick - do not  consume any sugar, it will prolong your Illness. When is the last time you were sick and the doctor told you to avoid sugar? Probably never. 

If people would just eat healthy foods, exercise, cut sugar and most processed foods, take supplements, drink alkaline water and get out in the sun, we could bankrupt the AMA and Big Pharma.

I have been to the doctor only a half dozen times in 40 years and those times for antibiotics, Im 64. My mother is 87, eats healthy has been to the doctor 3x in 30 years. Once for a broken wrist, once for pneumonia and then she fell and had contusion on her ribs.

If you eat everything in the grocery store without restraint and think since it has been approved by the FDA, it's okay, you are setting yourself up for health issues if not soon, later on in life.

On 8/3/2020 at 6:05 PM, Marilyn C said:

The 4 beasts and the 4 Horsemen.

 

God the Father does nothing unless He tells His prophets.

 

`Surely the Lord God does nothing, unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets.` (Amos 3: 7)

 

How wonderful that God the Father should reveal His plans and purposes to His prophets and then for us to read. This specific topic is in regards to what God the Father has revealed to Zechariah, Daniel and John regarding, I believe the great powers of our time.

 

Firstly God the Father tells His Son to sit at His right hand till He, the Father has brought His enemies to His Son`s footstool, for judgment. These enemies are the nations who are plotting against the Father and Son. (Ps. 2: 1 & 2)

 

`The LORD (Father) said to my Lord, (Son), “Sit at My right hand, till I make your enemies your footstool.” (Ps. 110: 1)

 

The Prophet Zechariah was given an interesting insight into God the Father`s plans. Zechariah saw 4 chariots going out throughout the earth. He was told that they represented `the 4 spirits of heaven who go out from their station before the Lord of all the earth.` (Zech. 6: 5)

 

The Prophet Daniel was given more details of what these 4 spirits were doing.

 

`I saw in my vision by night, and behold, the 4 winds of heaven were stirring up the great sea.` (Dan. 7: 2)

Note: winds and spirits are the same word in Hebrew.

 

From this `stirring` there arose 4 great beasts, one at a time, who all operated at the same time. The first 3 eventually were overcome by the last beastly power. And when that last great Federation (kingdom) was judged by God the other Federations, were given an extension of life. Thus I see that these great powers operated at the same time. (Dan. 7: 11 & 12)

 

Then in Revelation we read of 4 horsemen who I believe, represent these same great powers/Federations and how they developed prior & during the tribulation.

 

Each prophet was given part of the picture -

 

Zechariah - that God sent 4 great spirits throughout the earth to bring judgment.

Daniel - that God sent 4 great spirits to bring together 4 great Federations to be judged. He is shown how these Federations formed.

John - that God is bringing these 4 great Federations to judgment. He is shown how they have ruled prior and during the tribulation.

 

4 horsemen are spiritual, invisible angels, riding invisible horses.

The beasts are kingdoms.

The last beast with 7 heads and ten horns are a group of nations and leaders who gather together to attack Israel during the end times. 

The world is like dirty rags. Some will be washed and some burned up.

Made in the image of God is spiritual in nature: your soul (which is your  will, emotions, mind) and your spirit (which is a compartment within the soul that enable you to commune with God).

Animals have a soul but not a spirit. 

The flesh is body and soul. When we are saved, it is the spiritual portion of our soul that is cleansed. Then the Holy Spirit sanctifies daily the rest of your soul until you die and your spirit goes to be with the Lord.

Remember sin dwells in the members of our flesh - even after we are saved so we must mortify it, die to it daily.

Thankfully, our spirit at the time of being born again, is washed and eternally secure.

On 7/26/2020 at 7:15 AM, Justin Adams said:

Think what you like, but do not tell a mother that just lost her child that the baby is in hell

But Jesus said, "Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."

We cannot allude to children being condemned. Especially children of believers. You and your household will be saved. Yet scripture also condemns the sinful and their sins passed down yo generations.

However, even children of the lost and wicked might be shown mercy. God  created them and knit them together in the womb ... for what? To die of starvation or disease and then be condemned to destruction? They are incapable of understanding and receiving forgiveness until the age of a accountability - whatever that may be? Most kids can't distinguish between reality and fantasy until about 8 years old, let alone know that they are a sinner and in need of a Savior.

We do know that thise who are on His list in the Book of Life will be saved. So whether they be infants or adults, only God knows who will be saved. I woukd go as far to say that a child of a Christian is definitely saved.

9 hours ago, Josheb said:

scripture nowhere explicitly mentions anything called a "Church Age

Thise scriptures explicitly identified an age that we are in, called it an age and the age happens to be an age that began eight actee the death and resurrection at Pentecost you can live in denial. It is written.

I don't know you, but am beginning to think you are a preterist of some ilk. And then having the problem with a literal 1000 years, an Amillenialist.

So, nice talking to you, we've reached an impasse though I'm afraid. Take care.

20 hours ago, Josheb said:

A simply question might help some understand the answer to the inquiry this opening post asks: Will Enoch, Abraham, Joshua, Isaiah, Daniel and/or Hosea be standing with you and I and Ronald, vic and JohnD, etc.? Anyone who answers in the affirmative but thinks the Church Age is temporary and finite has some explaining to do, especially since there isn't a single verse in the entire Bible that ever explicitly mentions anything called a "Church Age". 

Yes. No one is arguing against the New Covenant or Old Covenants, but identifying them as ages is not wrong. The Age to come is void of sin, therefore an extreme change has to happen. The Church will be resurrected, given new eternal bodies and so yes, the former temporal/Physical age and the fleshly bodies will pass away, (AS scripture states; "for the former things have passed away" Rev.21:4); not that the spiritual Church won't remain, just that it will be transformed. To identify this as the age to come is not only scriptural, but logical. 

Also addressing another point you made. Christians were grafted into the vine. The OT Jews who lived by faith, expecting the Messiah and died before He came, like Abraham, were washed by the blood of Christ. Their salvation was imputed to them. Yet those Jews who lived during Christ and afterwards needed to believe in Christ to be saved, therefore were cut from the vine if you will. According to Rom. 11, a remnant of Jews will be saved during the Great Tribulation. Their veils will be lifted and they will see and realize that Christ was their Messiah all along. So in turn, they will be grafted back into the fold.

1 hour ago, Josheb said:

Yes, and they do so without any basis in explicit scripture. Appreciate the answer. Now how about my second question? 

 

Do you ever question the premise when you read others teach a "Church age," or is it accepted as a given without any question regarding where scripture explicitly speaks of such a thing? 

Thought I would specify the scriptures that imply the Church Age. And btw, if it is not the Church Age, what age would you call it?

The Greek word, aion, means a period of time: generation, lifetime, epoch, age, where we get the word eon. Aionios would be the plural form, yet it has variable meanings according to whether it is used to describe a temporal physical realm or God’s domain, our salvation, etc.

The “present age” or commonly referred to as the Church Age we see implied in Matthew 12:32, “ Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.” ( also see Mark 10:30, 1 Cor. 1:20; 2:6, 8; 2:18; Titus 2:12, these scriptures also imply this specific age we are in, under Jesus.)

“ … in accordance with the working of the strength of His might which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the deadband seated Him at the His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the age to come.” Ephesians 1;21

“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Matthew 28:20

 “now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.” Hebrews 9:26

The ages throughout history are distinct from each other and should be acknowledged that way.

The New Testament also speaks of the “age” to come of the Messiah.  “But those who take part in that age and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given I marriage and they can no longer die, for they are like the angels.” Luke 20 :25   

10 hours ago, Josheb said:

Is this one of those situations where you get to ask all the questions and none of mine ever get specifically answered? 

I don't artificially label the time between Pentecost and the return of Christ. I'm not gonna fit neatly into the presets. We live in a covenant relationship with Christ. Others live outside of a covenant relationship with Christ. The same exact singular covenant measures all and it will do so until the last day. Within this covenant there is neither Jew nor Greek/Gentile. Outside of that covenant there is neither Jew nor Gentile because all will suffer the same measure and either one of only two outcomes measured by that single covenant. 

 

Can I get an answer to my question: 

Is there a single scripture anywhere to be found in the entire Bible that explicitly mentions a "Church Age"?  

No, but many define a period of time when the Church began, and as the gospel spread, it grew and is growing to a finite point in time when all who are written in the  Book of Life shall be accounted for. There are many references to ages, times ... the end times. 

It is a very simple concept that a child can get. Of course children are not stubborn ... until they become much older adults. On earth, every time period has an age. The earth revolves around the sun. If Pentecost occurred in 32 AD , we can say the Church( Body of Christ) was born then and is now 1988 years old. It has an age and will continue it's existence on earth until the the end of time, when the physical universe is burned in a fervent heat. There will be no more sun, and so time will not be measured as we do now. The end of the ages will come. But we will always have eternity, which has no age and Christ.

5 hours ago, Josheb said:

Yes, I am well aware the NT writers did, on occasion, use the word "dispensation," or "economy," or "stewardship." I am also aware of the fact for 1800 years this was understood in the context of covenant, not some new theological construct redefined in the 1800s by John Darby. I have read Darby, Scofield, Chafer, Pentecost, Ryrie, Walvoord, Ice, and Vlach and done so in their own words. I don't need a Bible verse stating the word "dispensation." I am also well aware the NT is about the new revealing of the Messiah and the fulfillment of the related OT prophesies. I am aware of how the NT writers, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, explained the OT prophesies in ways that were not obvious in the OT. I've posted two ops on the matter. I don't need and did not ask for verses about the mystery of Christ and how in ages prior to the first century incarnate he was not known. I am well aware the Gentiles can now be fellow heirs and partakers of God's promise in Christ and how this single-handedly undermines the entire dispensational construct because the Gentiles are grafted into an already existing tree; they are not separate. I do not need, nor did I ask, for that information. 

What I would like is the verse stating there is a "Church age." 

Again, I appreciate the attempted response and I greatly appreciate the use of scripture but I again point out none of what was quoted states there is a "Church age." This shouldn't be difficult. It should take three or more exchanges. If there is a verse then quote it  or cite it. If there is none then just say so. "Josh, there is no such verse. It is a paradigm inferred from scripture." I understand the inferential argument by which a "Church Age" is asserted. Not what I asked for. 

 

Can you show me where scripture speaks of a "Church age"? Is there a specific verse to which I can turn and read scripture explicitly mentioning a "Church age"? 

Do you ever question the premise when you read other teach a "Church age," or is it accepted as a given without any question regarding where scripture explicitly speaks of such a thing? 

 

Let me quote from Dispensationalist Herman Hoyt. He's critiquing non-dispensational premillennialist George Eldon Ladd's view of the Millennium.

"...there is a progressive triumph in Christ's kingdom as set forth in Corinthians 15:23-26, in which Christ completes the subjugation of his enemies. The first stage is marked by the resurrection of Christ himself. This is followed by an undefined period of time, the Church Age. Then comes the parousia and the resurrection of the saved. This is followed by another period undefined by 1 Corinthians 15, but which is defined in Revelation 20 as the millennial kingdom. The third stage is the end when Christ will raise the wicked dead and judge them, and then turn the kingdom over to the Father for eternity."

 

1 Corinthians 15:23-26
"But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming,  then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.  For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.  The last enemy that will be abolished is death."

 

As everyone can see, there is no Church Age mentioned in those four verses and the otherwise well-educated, esteemed, and devoted-to-Christ theologian got it incorrect and is teaching erroneously. 1 Cor. 15:23-26 does not state what he says it says and great liberties have to be taken inferentially to make it say what he says it says. Hoyt has said there are only three "stages," but what he listed is five. 

1) Christ's resurrection, 
2) the Church Age,
3) the resurrection of Christians,
4) the millennium,
5) the final judgment.

 

The 1 Corinthians 15 text, however, lists only three:

1) Christ's resurrection,
2) the resurrection of those who are his at his coming, 
3) the end.

Premils, Amils, and Postmils all use the term "Church Age" but they do so in vastly different ways. The Dispensational Premil defines the term differently than the Historic Premil, the Amil, and the Postmil so when Dispies use the term the do so in a manner completely different from everyone else. This is misleading because the Dispensationalist incorrectly believes everyone knows whereof s/he posts and all the readers mistakenly they understand what they are reading. It's like conversing with a Jw or LDS about Jesus Christ: same terminology but entirely different definitions. 

 

So I am asking you where scripture speaks of a Church Age. Where does scripture ever mention something called a "Church Age"? And I am asking if the claim of a Church Age has ever been questioned and scripture ever examined in this regard or is it simply and solely something accepted without question regarding where scripture explicitly speaks of such a thing?

 

 

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Josheb, what would YOU call the period of time from Pentecost to the Millennial kingdom? 

17 hours ago, Josheb said:

Thank you for the response but that is not an actual answer to either of my questions. 

Can you show me where scripture speaks of a "Church age"? 

and

Do you ever question the premise when you read other teach a "Church age," or is it accepted as a given without any question regarding where scripture explicitly speaks of such a thing?

 

Here's a third: Are you aware that when the the ECFs and every up until the 1800s spoke of "dispensations" they did so in the context of covenants? This is one of the reasons why I ask the first two questions. I was just reading something by Dispensationalist Herman Hoyt in which he states, "It is impossible to interpret the Bible apart from some arrangement of dispensations; and most certainly the very mention of an eschatological millennium imposes another dispensation." He is, in fact, grossly mistaken and misleading his readers. For 1800 years all of Christendom managed to interpret the Bible apart from some arrangement of dispensations! Nowadays a certain portion of the Church takes this model for granted, most of them completely oblivious to the fact it is neither the historical approach of the Church nor the exegetical one. So let me ask you again, and please do not take the inquiries as a personal attack or get frustrated if you cannot find any such scriptures. If you've got scriptures then I can proceed based on those texts and if not then we can discuss the significance of that absence.

Can you show me where scripture speaks of a "Church age"? 

and

Do you ever question the premise when you read other teach a "Church age," or is it accepted as a given without any question regarding where scripture explicitly speaks of such a thing? 

I thought I answered both your questions with a broad stroke. Specifically _ as you already know_ the phrase "Church Age" is not there, but the concept is.  Identifying what the word "age" means (aion or aionios) is the first step_ since you know what Church means. It's a period of time with a beginning and an ending. The Church began at Pentecost and continues. There was an abrupt change in history that caused this - ordained by God. Then Church  is currently sanctified from the rest of the sinful, unsaved world. This continues up to the end of the Great Tribulation, another abrupt change caused by God. Then a new age, which is also a Church Age but without sin and evil, with false religions, without Satan. So I guess we can call that the Church Age (part 2) or just the Millenial Kingdom. 

Do you have a problem with compartmentalizing, separating historical time periods and labeling them? The phrase, "Age of Innocence" isn't  written in the Bible either, but most could figure out that it had to do with Adam a d Eve's beginning up to their sin. The many names of Biblical  doctrines taught are'nt found in scripture, yet are they not true? By doing so it is puttimg things into perspective and order. 

It is apparent that God's plan for the world has contained specifically identifiable periods of time, separated by monumental changes.

5 hours ago, Josheb said:

I  like that. All except one part. 

 

Can you show me where scripture speaks of a "Church age"? 

and

Do you ever question the premise when you read other teach a "Church age," or is it accepted as a given without any question regarding where scripture explicitly speaks of such a thing?

History is typically divided into periods of time, epochs, ages. Likewise the Bible has the period of time from tha Garden to the Flood, Post flood to Abraham, Abraham to Moses, then the Law and the Prophets and then Grace. So its just chapters in history ( steps or dispensations if you will) that are distinctly different, characterized by  a major change, purpose and order of things.

The best age will be the Millenial kingdom and then eternity after that.