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  1. The gathering and the second coming happens on the same day...according to the first thing you said...'The gathering and THE SECOND COMING do come ON THE SAME DAY...' Then you say 'How do you ignore all the evidence that Christ comes BEFORE the day of the Lord?' You are talking double...first you say the 1) The gathering (rapture / resurrection) and 2) The Second coming Happens on the SAME DAY, which is 'the day of Christ.' Then you say Christ comes (the Second Coming) BEFORE the 'day of the Lord.' Jesus does not come again before the day of the Lord and also come again on the Day of the Lord. This is non sense!!!!!!!!! Here you stated the last day is not the same day as the 6th seal... You are here saying Jesus 'comes for his church' BEFORE the seals are opened, which is also BEFORE the last day, but in your first quote you said the gathering and the coming of the Lord happen on the same day... IN NO SITUATION DOES YOUR PREMISE FIT WHAT PAUL SAID...PAUL DID NOT SAY: I SHOW YOU A MYSTERY...PART OF US WILL BE CHANGED BEFORE THE LAST DAY AT THE FIRST SECOND COMING, BEFORE THE SEALS ARE OPENED, AND THEN THE REST OF US WILL BE CHANGED AFTER THE TRIBULATION AT THE OTHER LAST DAY AT THE LAST TRUMP AT THE SECOND SECOND COMING...' THIS IS ALL JIBBERISH AND DOUBLE TALK...IT ALL HAPPENS BECAUSE YOU PLACE THE RESURRECTION OF ALL THE SAINTS BEFORE THE LAST DAY... YOU DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT PAUL SAID...IT IS NOT HARD TO UNDERSTAND 1) ALL WILL BE CHANGED.... 2) ALL WILL BE CHANGED IN A MOMENT... 3) ALL WILL BE CHANGED IN A TWINKLING OF AN EYE... 4) ALL WILL BE CHANGED AT THE LAST TRUMP.. 5) WE WILL NOT ALL DIE... BECAUSE YOU DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT PAUL SAID YOU ARE FORCED TO COME UP WITH MULTIPLE RESURRECTIONS, MULTIPLE SECOND COMINGS, MULTIPLE RAPTURES...MULTIPLE LAST DAYS... THIS IS THE PLIGHT OF PRE TRIB...NO EXCEPTIONS...IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BELIEVE PAUL AND ALSO BELIEVE PRE TRIB... IF WE OR AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN PREACH ANY OTHER GOSPEL THAN WHAT WE HAVE PREACHED UNTO YOU, LET HIM BE ACCURSED... THIS IS SERIOUS...YOU ARE CHOOSING A PATH THAT IS CONTRARY TO WHAT PAUL PREACHED...IT DOESN'T MATTER IF AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN TOLD YOU DIFFERENT....IF IT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT PAUL PREACHED IS A PERVERSION OF THE GOSPEL....IT IS NOT ANOTHER GOSPEL...IT IS A PERVERSION OF THE TRUE GOSPEL... ITS NOT HARD TO ACCEPT WHAT PAUL SAID...IT DOES NOT TAKE AN INTELLECTUAL GIANT TO PERCEIVE IT, BUT IT DOES TAKE FAITH ALL YOUR EFFORTS HAVE BEEN TO SHOW THAT WHAT PAUL SAID IS NOT TRUE...YOU CANNOT HONESTLY SAY YOU BELIEVE ALL ARE CHANGED AT THE SAME TIME AND THEN CONTINUE TO SAY ALL WILL NOT BE CHANGED AT THE SAME TIME.. YOU CANNOT HONESTLY SAY YOU BELIEVE ALL WILL BE CHANGED AT THE LAST TRUMP AND THEN CONTINUE TO SAY ALL WILL NOT BE CHANGED AT THE LAST TRUMP.. YOU HAVE PRESENTED NO SCENARIO IN WHICH ALL WILL BE CHANGED AT THE SAME TIME, IN A MOMENT, IN A TWINKLING OF AN EYE, AT THE LAST TRUMP...WHAT YOU ARE SAYING CANNOT FIT WHAT PAUL PREACHED, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE... IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!
  2. Yes, determined by the context....totally agree we will reign with him for 1000 years and sometimes that is referred to as one day...no problem...the issue is context..when it says we will reign with christ for that 1000 years, it is NOT meaning we will reign for only one day...but when it says we will be resurrected on that day, it does NOT mean we will be getting resurrected during that whole thousand years...NO! We get resurrected and changed in a moment in a twinkle of an eye, and in THIS CONTEXT it is referring to ONE SPECIFIC DAY CALLED THE DAY OF THE LORD... We know the resurrection is not taking place during the thousand years, for ALL The saints are in glorified bodies during the entire time...no one else gets added to the list AT ALL DURING THAT TIME FOR ALL WERE ALREADY CHANGED WHEN HE CAME...!!!
  3. I have asked a Jew if he knew anything about a last trump...he had no clue...the practice of blowing the trumpet 100 times did not come into effect until Rabbi Abbhu instituted it in 3rd - 4th century...so the claim that people would relate to it during Paul's day is bogus...in the Old testament there is nothing in the feast of trumpets that talks about a last trumpet.. In the Talmud era the tradition of the elders was to blow 9 times according to Wikipedia: Then the tradition of the elders changed it to 30 times: Another opinion was it should be blown 12 times: Then it went to 30, to 40, 42, or 60: In Medieval times it went to 100: And how did they come up with 100 times? Because of how many tears Sisera's mother allegedly cried when her son died: How did they come up with 101 letters instead of 100? Of course they left out one tear because of recognition of the pain suffered by any bereaved mother...of course...who could doubt that? There was never any last trumpet identified in the scriptural description of the feast of trumpets, much less anything to be derived from Jewish fables. Paul told the Thessalonian believers there were two things that had to happen before the day of the Lord would come...neither one of them was to keep an eye out for the 10th, 12th, 30th, 40th, 42nd, 60th, 100th, or 101th time the Jews blew their shofars.... HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH JEWS BLOWING THEIR TRUMPETS...Jesus said WHEN YOU SEE THE MAN OF SIN STANDING IN THE HOLY PLACE THEN KNOW IT IS NEAR, EVEN AT THE DOORS... Of course the real sign is downplayed by pre trib and made to pertain to the Jews themselves, or to those who alledgedly missed the rapture. ANYTIME THE LAST TRUMPET REALLY SOUNDS, IT WILL NOT BE PART OF THE SAINTS BEING RESURRECTED...NOT AT ALL!! IT WILL BE ALL THE SAINTS BEING RESURRECTED AND THE LORD WILL COME ON THAT VERY DAY...!!!!!
  4. you are talking about the branches that were cut off...of course unbelieving Israel of all time will not be in the resurrection of the righteous...the righteous of Israel will be raised at the same time all the other believers will be resurrected...at the 7th trumpet...Daniel says 'AT THAT TIME (that the man of sin comes to his end) will the good and the bad be resurrected...that time is at the 7th trumpet...ALL THAT ARE IN THE GRAVES WILL HEAR HIS VOICE...BOTH GOOD AND BAD AND COME FORTH...HE WON'T LEAVE ONE PERSON IN THE GRAVES... So saying 'Gentiles will be the first harvest' is nonsense...it has nothing to do whether you are a Jew or a Gentile..all the righteous whether Jew or Gentile are all resurrected at the same time...
  5. The 144000 gets converted at the second coming...has nothing to do with the resurrection of the dead believers, whether Jew or Gentile...the hour comes when ALL that are in the graves will come forth...not some come forth at one time and some others at another time...at the 7th trumpet is the TIME OF THE DEAD...THAT THEY SHOULD BE JUDGED...there is no resurrection of ANYONE before the 7th trumpet...when you say 'you seem to ignore that the fulness of the Gentiles must come in before part of Israel can see that Jesus is the Messiah,' is the same thing as saying 'blindness in part has happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in..' Also has NOTHING TO DO WITH ALL BEING RESURRECTED AT THE LAST TRUMP ON THE LAST DAY
  6. Israel gets saved at the Second coming...they do not come down with the saints from heaven for they get converted BECAUSE Jesus comes down with all the saints and angels and delivers them...this has NOTHING to do with all being changed at the last trump ...IT DOES NOT DISANULL WHAT PAUL SAID...it is a diversion...Blindness in part has happened to Israel UNTIL the fullness of the Gentiles be come in ...the fullness of the Gentiles is at the Second Coming...this is the same time Israel gets their eyes opened and repents and accepts Jesus... THIS DOES NOT AFFECT THE RESURRECTION OF ALL BELIEVERS AT THE LAST DAY AT THE LAST TRUMP
  7. There is only one last day..the day Jesus resurrects all believers is that day...it is the day the 7th trumpet sounds...it does not spread out over different days and groups of people, as it is plain...WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED AT THE LAST TRUMP...NOT SOME CHANGED BEFORE THE LAST TRUMP, NOT SOME CHANGED AT ANOTHER DAY, NOT SOME RESURRECTED BUT NOT ASCENDED, NOT SOME NEVER CHANGED AT ALL...AND IT ALL HAPPENS IN A MOMENT IN A TWINKLE OF AN EYE... JESUS COMES ON ONE SINGLE DAY, CALLED THE DAY OF THE LORD...THIS IS WHEN PAUL SAID BOTH HIS COMING AND OUR GATHERING TOGETHER UNTO HIM WOULD OCCUR...HE SAID 'WE BESEECH YOU BY THE COMING OF THE LORD AND OUR GATHERING TOGETHER UNTO HIM...HE THEN SAYS THAT DAY, IN WHICH BOTH THE RAPTURE AND THE COMING OF THE LORD WILL OCCUR, WILL NOT COME EXCEPT CERTAIN THINGS HAPPEN FIRST... HE IS NOT POINTING TO TWO DIFFERENT DAYS, HE IS NOT POINTING TO TWO DIFFERENT GATHERINGS, HE IS NOT POINTING TO TWO DIFFERENT COMINGS, HE IS SAYING THE COMING OF OUR LORD ....(SINGULAR) AND OUR GATHERING UNTO HIM... (SINGULAR GATHERING, SINGULAR GROUP) THAT DAY WILL NOT COME EXCEPT... (ONE SINGLE DAY) YES ALL THE SCRIPTURES I AGREE WITH...YES, THE FULLNESS OF THE GENTILES WILL COME IN.... YES THERE IS A SIXTH SEAL... YES THERE IS A RESURRECTION... THE SCRIPTURES YOU GIVE DO NOT OVER RIDE WHAT PAUL SAID... THERE IS NO LAST TRUMP IN THE FEAST OF TRUMPETS IN THE SCRIPTURE IF IT WAS THE LAST TRUMP, THEN ALL WOULD BE CHANGED IN A MOMENT IN A TWINKLE OF AN EYE...YOU DO NOT HAVE ALL BEING CHANGED IN A MOMENT, IN A TWINKLE OF AN EYE...YOU HAVE SOME OF GOD'S PEOPLE CHANGED AT ONE TIME, AND SOME OF GOD'S PEOPLE CHANGED AT ANOTHER TIME...IT WOULDN'T MATTER WHAT YOU CALL THE LAST TRUMP, YOU DO NOT FULFILL THE CRITERIA IN SCRIPTURE FOR WHAT HAPPENS AT THE LAST TRUMP YOU HAVE TWO BRIDES ...GOD HAS ONE, CONSISTING OF BOTH OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT SAINTS...JACOB HAD TWO BRIDES...GOD HAS ONE YOU ARE FORCED TO COME WITH TWO RESURRECTIONS BECAUSE OF WHERE YOU PLACE THE RAPTURE...THIS IS THE WHOLE KEY TO ALL THE MISFITS...IF THE RAPTURE IS PLACED ANYWHERE BEFORE THE LAST DAY IT WILL NOT WORK...ALL CANNOT BE CHANGED AT THE SAME TIME WHEN YOU DO THAT...!!!!!!!!!!!!
  8. We are ALL CHANGED in a moment in a twinkling of an eye..at the last trump...it does not take 1000 years for an event to take place that happens TO ALL THE SAINTS, in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye, at the last trump...an event that happens to all in a moment DOES NOT CONTINUE TO HAPPEN THROUGHOUT THE THOUSAND YEARS...HOW WOULD AN EVENT THAT HAPPENS TO ALL THE SAINTS IN A MOMENT, IN A TWINKLING OF EYE, CONTINUE TO HAPPEN THROUGHOUT THE THOUSANDS YEARS ...IT DOESN'T!!! It happens on ONE SINGLE DAY, the LAST DAY...it is the last day of this age, and THEN the righteous begin their reign on the earth for the 1000 years...
  9. I do not follow your thought here at all...I am not saying people who were raised from the dead before the second coming did not die again.. The resurrection I am talking about with the two witnesses is not any exception to the rule as they were partakers of the first resurrection in which all get glorified bodies and will never die again...they got glorified bodies because they were raised when the seventh angel sounded...that is the last trump in which all believers who have died will be resurrected into immortal bodies... All this is about the Second Advent. Exactly so.. The seventh trumpet sounded and then it said 'the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ...' THIS IS THE SECOND COMING!!! They were resurrected at the seventh trumpet...this is the last day that Jesus said all that believe would be raised...the two witnesses were believers, they died in Christ, the seventh trumpet sounded, they were raised to immortality, Jesus comes and sets up his kingdom... Second Advent Exactly Please show me the EXACT verse that SAYS "they rise to heaven". What I read is they are gathered up to the clouds and are changed. There is NOTHING in ANY verse about resurrected/changed believers being taken to heaven. The bride descends down from heaven...she had to be up there to come down from heaven...the bride is not a building made up of stones and walls...SHE, the bride, SHE, the church, SHE the believers are REPRESENTED by a building, but of course we know God is not going to marry a building...that would be absurd...so it says SHE DESCENDS DOWN FROM HEAVEN...because SHE is the believers it would also be the same thing to say 'THE BELIEVERS descended down from heaven...it would also be correct to say the angel said to John, 'Come hither and I will show you THE BELIEVERS...and he then saw THE BELIEVERS descending down from heaven...and if you recall, the armies, which is also representative of the believers, are FOLLOWING Jesus down from heaven also meaning they were up there first... When it says God will BRING THOSE THAT SLEEP IN JESUS WITH HIM what does he mean? Which way is Jesus going...is he coming up or he is going down? What does the scripture say? It says 'The Lord himself will DESCEND from heaven with a shout...and that in this DESCENT to the earth he will also BRING those that sleep in Jesus WITH HIM...So he is COMING DOWN, and he is BRINGING THE RESURRECTED SAINTS WITH HIM...realize what he is saying- he is not bringing the resurrected saints TO HIM, but rather he is bringing the resurrected saints WITH HIM...and which way is Jesus going? He is not BRINGING SAINTS UP WITH HIM..why? Because he is COMING DOWN, NOT UP....in order for him to BRING saints UP WITH HIM ...he would have to first COME DOWN TO EARTH WHERE THE DEAD HAVE JUST BEEN RESURRECTED, and then GO BACK UP TO THE CLOUDS IN ORDER TO BRING THEM WITH HIM...BUT WAIT...HE IS NOT GOING UP...HE IS NEVER GOING UP...HE IS ALWAYS COMING DOWN...SO HE CAN NOT BRING THEM UP TO THE CLOUDS WHEN HE IS COMING DOWN... So realize that God is coming down when he BRINGS those that sleep WITH HIM, which also means if he is bringing them that sleep DOWN WITH HIM, that they had to first go up to where he is, which is in heaven. This is also manifest in the two scriptures that states 'The Lord my God shall come and all the saints WITH thee...' The same word WITH is used here...in other words the saints are coming WITH him (from heaven down) not TO him (from the earth up) Of course they first go up TO him from the earth, but this is stated when it states the dead in Christ RISE first...this is when they GO UP to where the Lord is in heaven...but when he says he will BRING those that sleep in Jesus it is referring to when they come DOWN with Jesus to the earth... It is also manifest in 1 Thess. 3:13 where it states 'at the COMING (not GOING) of our Lord Jesus WITH all his saints...' The point is there is a difference between the saints going up TO him, versus the saints coming down WITH him...and the difference is in direction...he cannot COME WITH THEM if he is up in heaven drawing them to himself..they only way he can come WITH the saints is to acknowledge that Jesus is in heaven and then the saints COME DOWN WITH HIM TO THE EARTH...but in order for that to happen they all have to get up there, otherwise you get into the yo yo thing of pre trib where he makes an additional trip down to the clouds, then makes an additional trip up to heaven, and then finally he comes down after the tribulation...scripture only shows he descends down one time, he does not descend down to the clouds one time, then pick up some saints, then go back to heaven, then come down after the tribulation with part of the saints...NO...This is NOT WHAT SCRIPTURE TEACHES...!!!! The two witnesses themselves are absolute proof that believers who die are resurrected and ascend up to heaven... 1) They were living human believers.. 2) They were killed... 3) They were dead for 3.5 days.. 4) The seventh angel sounded... 5) They were resurrected... 6) They ascended up to heaven in a cloud... Rev. 11:12 "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies beheld them.' So lets see some more scriptures where the saints are up there in heaven...We have of course Rev. 19: 1 where there are much people in heaven...they were not born there...they had to get up there somehow...the way they got up there was that the 'dead in Christ rose first,' ...this does NOT mean they were resurrected first, for the living saints do not get resurrected so it does not mean they were resurrected before the living saints were...it means they 'ascended up first' before the living did...and remember the living do not go up to heaven to come down with the resurrected saints...rather the dead in Christ ascend up to heaven, then descend down to the clouds, where they living are then caught up to meet them as they descend down to the earth, but they are not caught up to heaven where Jesus was, they are caught up to meet the resurrected saints and the Lord in the clouds...it is then at this point they all the saints, both living and the resurrected saints descend down to the earth to reign with Christ. So the scripture states in Rev. 19 that the bride was given fine linen clean and white at the time this great multitude of much people were in heaven...the angels also have fine linen clean and white..that is why it states the armies (plural) THAT WERE IN HEAVEN then FOLLOW Jesus down to Armageddon..
  10. The context determines its usage… Jesus said all that God had given to him he would raise on the last day.. Of course all the saints that God gave to Christ would be all the saints from the Old and New testament which of course would include tribulation saints as all these die in the Lord and belong to him.. Because God gave all his saints to Christ it automatically places the resurrection on the last day because if it was before the tribulation was over they would not all have even died yet so the resurrection can not be before the last day.. Also we know the resurrection takes place at the last trump which does not sound till after the tribulation is over and also we know it is not a staged event where some get resurrected at one time and others at another time.. because Paul said we would all be changed in a moment in a twinkling of an eye.. This is also shown in the net parable.. The net was let down ONE TIME and it gathered OF EVERY KIND, BOTH GOOD AND BAD, then it was drawn to shore and they were separated.. Of course this does not fit pre trib because they have a net lowered at one time for some good fish, then they bring that in and lower it again for the other good fish that were not drawn up in the first lowering, then later they have a net for only bad fish.. All this is A COMPLETE MISFIT IN THE PRE TRIB WORLD AND ANY CONSTRUCT THAT HAS MULTIPLE RESURRECTIONS STAGED FOR THE RIGHTEOUS.. Anytime the rapture / resurrection is placed before the last day IT IS INEVITABLE THAT SOMEONE IS LEFT OUT.. It is physically IMPOSSIBLE for all to be changed at the last trump IF the resurrection is placed chronologically ANYWHERE before the last day when Jesus actually returns.. In Preterism there as almost 2000 years of saints left out, in pre trib there would be about 7 years of saints left out, if it’s mid trib then there is 3.5 years of saints left out, if it is a pre wrath construct that happens even one day before the second coming there will be one days worth of saints that are left out… Instead of cutting it closer and closer to the Second Coming- JUST CUT TO THE CHASE AND HAVE THE GATHERING AND THE SECOND COMING ON THE SAME DAY AS HAS BEEN WRITTEN IN THESSALONIANS FOR THE PAST SOME TWO THOUSAND YEARS!!!! There is absolutely no problem in what Paul said about all being changed at the last trump … The problem is there a brick wall of unbelief … YOU HAVE THIS CHOICE… the fork in the road is “ All are changed at the last trump in a twinkling of an eye.. the other fork goes into the enchanted forest of different groups getting resurrected at different times.. one for Old Testament saints, one for the “church age saints” one for tribulation saints… Ect ect… And when I say UNBELIEF in this scripture IT IS ABSOLUTELY UNBELIEF… Pre trib cannot believe it , mid trib cannot believe it , pre wrath cannot believe it, Preterism cannot believe it… Its the miracle cure, given by revelation to Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, for the believers, and he said if anyone preached any other gospel than what he preached to let him be accursed… ALL MEANS ALL… If all believers are changed at the same time then THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO ONE THAT DID NOT GET CHANGED… AND IF ALL ARE CHANGED AT THE LAST TRUMP THEN NOBODY WAS CHANGED BEFORE THE LAST TRUMP Every construct must fit the criteria set out by Paul.. if it fails at any point then it’s wrong.. For example Paul says all will be changed.. does pre trib believe that? No, they have living tribulation saints that go into the MK in natural bodies— ALL WERE NOT CHANGED… Does pre trib believe all will be changed at the same time? NO THEY DO NOT.. “church age saints “ are changed before the tribulation “ Old Testament saints are changed AFTER the tribulation.. FALSE AGAIN!!! And how do these errors occur? BY SIMPLY PLACING THE RESURRECTION AT ANY POINT BEFORE THE LAST DAY CHRONOLOGICALLY .. IT IS INEVITABLE, and happens in every construct… Run any construct you want through what Paul said and you will see the same errors repeated over and over.
  11. Paul said ALL WILL BE CHANGED AT THE LAST TRUMP.. DANIELS PEOPLE NAMES ARE WRITTEN IN THE SAME BOOK OF LIFE AS MY NAME OR YOUR NAME.. ONE BODY.. ONE VINE.. TWO BRANCHES ON THE SAME TREE.. JESUS IS THE TRUE VINE- ISRAEL IS NOT A DIFFERENT TREE…… BELIEVERS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT SERVED THE SAME GOD I DO JN THE NEW TESTAMENT.. JESUS SAID WHOEVER DOES MY WILL THE SAME IS MY MOTHER, MY BROTHER…GOD GAVE ALL HIS SAINTS TO CHRIST.. JESUS SAID ALL THOSE THE FATHER GAVE ME I WILL RAISE ON THE LAST DAY.. NOT SOME OF THOSE GOD GAVE ME BEFORE THE LAST AND THE OTHERS HE GAVE ME ON THE LAST DAY NO NO NO ALL ARE CHANGED AT THE SAME LAST TRUMP ON THE SAME LAST DAY AT THE SECOND COMING AND NOT BEFORE!!!
  12. The last is when Jesus resurrects all believers in a moment in a twinkle of an eye at the last trump.. THAT DAY- the last day wherein all are resurrected does not come until AFTER THE SUN AND MOON ARE DARKENED.. As it says THE SUN SHALL BE DARKENED AND THE MOON TURNED INTO BLOOD BEFORE THAT GREAT AND NOTABLE DAY, , THAT LAST DAY, THE DAY OF THE LORD COME.. The sixths seal takes place BEFORE THAT DAY COMES - NOT ON THAT DAY!!!!!!!!
  13. ESV - On the last day CSB - On the last day BBE - On the last day NASB 20- On the last day NASB 95 - On the last day LSB - On the last day
  14. John 6:39 - And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. John 6:40- And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:44- No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day John 6:54- Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. The last day is that great and terrible day of the Lord.. It is called The day of Christ, it is called The day of judgement, it is called The great day of God Almighty, it is called the great day of his wrath… It is the last day of this age.. it is the dividing day between “THIS AGE” and “ THE AGE WHICH IS to COME” It is called “ The harvest” Paul said both the gathering together unto him (resurrection / rapture) and the coming of the Lord (Second Coming) happens on the same day.. That day is the LAST DAY when all the dead are raised and he gives rewards to the saints, the prophets, them that fear his name both small and great… no one is resurrected or rewarded before the last day…
  15. There is no stages except Christ is the first that rose and afterward those that are Christs at his coming.. Do just those who are beheaded for Christ during the tribulation belong to him? NO OF COURSE NOT…!! All those that belonged to God were given to Christ so every saint from Adam to the second coming will be in the first resurrection.. That is why Paul said WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED IN A MOMENT INTGE TWINKLING OF AN EYE AT THE LAST TRUMP.. All means all- all does not mean just tribulation saints.. all does not just mean saints from Pentecost to before the tribulation.. all does not just mean Old Testament Saint.. ALL MEANS ALL THE DEAD SAINTS WILL BE RESURRECTED AND RISE TO HEAVEN AND THEN COME BACK WITH CHRIST TO RULE AND REIGN ON THE EARTH FOR 1000 YEARS!!!
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